I am thinking about buying this tranny.
It is all new stuff with the super case and
1" countergear shaft. 1st gear bearings and iron
mid plate, M22 "rock crusher" gears.
Does any one have this tranny?
How do you like it?
Any alternatives to a bullet proof 4-speed that
is a direct swap w/my muncie?

Thanks
Dave

Wally built me an M22W but its been sitting in the crate for months as I am ripping the car apart, sure is pretty sitting there though....Goinng behind a 427 and I am putting 3.42's out back (course this answers absolutley NOTHING that you asked) but I figured i'd let you know that there is someone who bought one. smile.gif

Are you looking at the M22, M22W, M22X.....im guessing you are looking at the regular close ratio. Just wondering.....and wasting your time. ;)

I have the M22X in my '65 and I like it. Shifts great, it's not too loud, and it seems to be holding up fine.

You might want to think about a M20 all new with the same goodies. No roller first but all the other stuff. That is a heavy car and the little more kick of the lower first will help move all that iron.

Just a thought.

My only issue with Auto Gear is that they have to have their name in 5 inch letters across everything they make. Did you check out the super case and the input shaft? I'm surprised they didn't do it in glow in the dark letters or in electric neon!!

I can understand wanting to advertise a little, but geez!!

But they seem to make good stuff, which I guess is the most important thing!!

I think that with all new parts in the Super case, you will have as strong a street 4sp as possible.
But, if your rear gear is anything lower than a 3.73, I'd go for the wide ratio M-22 style gears. With a BB, you might be OK with the close ratio version and a 3.55 gear. But generally speaking, a wide ratio is best suited to 3.55 and lower gears (3.55, 3.31, 3.08, etc) and the close ratio is better suited to 3.73 and lower gears (3.73, 4.10, 4.56, etc).
The aftermarket M-22 style gears are now available in both wide and close ratios.

I do have a BB and 3:73 gears.
I think a close reatio M22 is just what I need.
Thanks for all the input guys.

Wally,
I like the idea of a bigger gear in first to get
the bus moving, but with the 3:73 on the street, I would probably wind up starting out in 2nd all the time. Would be great at the track though.
BTW, you have mail.

DZ,
You convinced me. I need the close ratio and the M22.

Beaux,
I enjoy reading your posts.
Even if they are a waste of time. smile.gif

The M22W uses the the older 24/29 input/cluster tooth count and is supposed to be a "flawed" design compared to the later 21/25 or the close ratio 26/27 (I hope I have the counts all correct). Don't know if there is any truth to this at all. Now why would someone go to all the expense to create a new gearset with a major "flaw" just to get a 2.56 first instead of a 2.52? I am still reading posts on several BBs that bring this subject up warning people about the M22W.

Have you considered a Super T-10?
You can get some pretty beefy parts that will hold up better than any other 4 speed short of a Jerico or G-Force.

I had my ST-10 built by S-K Speed Inc. out of Lindenhurst NY., and they told me that the tranny they built for me is about the strongest "OEM style" transmission that you can get.

The work they did for me is a Super T-10 with 2.64 / 1.75 / 1.34 /1.00 gearset, 9310 high nickel content cluster gears with specially modified syncros, nodular iron main case with a nodular iron mid-bearing plate.

He told me that this tranny would have no problem with 600-700lb torque. :cool:

I don't think Auto Gear would build a gear set that they did not have complete faith in. The reputation of the company would be at risk if they did so.

Since we are talking about this, I don't see any other vendor stepping up and investing in gear sets for Muncies. There are some knock off sets from the east that are real junk, nothing of any quality.

I used one of those gear sets in my own trans and since I have not heard a single complaint about them I'm content to wait for real time failures before I start the rumor mill. tongue.gif

Darren,
Can you get me the phone number for S-K Speed? I tried for months last year to contact them but I kept getting a message that said I couldn't dial that number from where I was (or something like that). I use to get a lot of T5 parts from them, but I haven't been able to lately.

Wally,
I'm still going to get a new Muncie from you some day. Your prices were much better than others I got. I have to get my engine fixed (new cam) and a new radiator first.

Darren,
Can you get me the phone number for S-K Speed? I tried for months last year to contact them but I kept getting a message that said I couldn't dial that number from where I was (or something like that).The phone number for S-K Speed is 631-957-9427. Ask for Brian.

Thanks. :D

No problem. smile.gif

Originally posted by 71454Chevelle:
Have you considered a Super T-10?
...and they told me that the tranny they built for me is about the strongest "OEM style" transmission that you can get.

2.64 / 1.75 / 1.34 /1.00 .

He told me that this tranny would have no problem with 600-700lb torque. :cool: Darren,
I have considered a Richmond, but they start at 1300. With any added work, I would be right where the AutoGear option is. Your tranny guy was right about the OEM style trans. I am looking for something a little stronger. I hope he is right about the 600-700 ft lbs. I am making nearly 600 now. I don't want to spend 1300 for a trans and scatter it. :eek: The reason these tranny frag, is because of the angle of the gear set under a load actually stretches the case. If it stretches far enough, it allows gears to hop. This only happens once. The Auto Gear case is supposed to be thicker with a tougher alloy. I heard that the aluminum case of the stock Muncie was stronger than the iron cases of the Borg Warner trans.
Not sure.

Thanks for the input.

Dave

Dave,
I'm not expert on Muncies, (or Borg Warners for that matter) but I thought that the Muncies suffered from the same problem that the aluminum case Super T-10 does: breaks with lots of power and traction.

I can't see how an aluminum case is going to be stronger than a iron case.

Brian (from S-K), told me that the setup that I'm running is stronger than the new Auto Gear tranny.
He told me the only thing (OEM type) that is on par with the T-10 is a Hemi 4 speed. He said they are durable but don't like to be shifted fast.

Are you talking about $1300 for a new transmission and then performing the modifications? If so you might give Brian a call because I don't think it would cost much more than that if any but I'm guessing. He did my transmission about 6 or 7 years ago and it cost me $950.