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framer
Feb 7th, 01, 6:11 AM
I know I'll probably get flamed for this maneuver, but I lost the keys to the '67 and I didn't have a spare set. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/redface.gif
I've talked to a locksmith, he said it is possible to make another set. It will involve a lot of trial and error and a lot of $$$$.
Is there a way to get new keys from GM (Not sure they are original) or can I get in to the trunk by removing the back seat and open it some how?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Feb 7th, 01, 6:37 AM
chuck:

I believe that if you take the back seat out, you will not be able to squeeze through the crisscross metal brace that is there ( I think), but I would still take the back seat out and get a good flashlight, if you see the keys, you should be able to rig something up to grab them or pull them closer to you and BAM...grab em!

Good luck

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mr 4 speed
Feb 7th, 01, 6:40 AM
Framer,get a long flat head screw driver and attach it to a long piece(about 3 ft) of thin wood/stick with a hose clamp.pop out the back seat,get a flashlight,and away you go.I've done this trick numerous times,never fails.

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undee70ss
Feb 7th, 01, 7:11 AM
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junglejimmie
Feb 7th, 01, 7:19 AM
Stick with the backseat/pole/screwdriver method it never fails!

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RagTop70
Feb 7th, 01, 7:34 AM
Take out the back seat. Get a ratchet, lots of extensions, and the correct size socket for the bolt on the trunk latch (the part that is not connected to the lid). Take out the bolts, raise the trunk, and put the latch back in place.

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Big Block Dave
Feb 7th, 01, 8:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by junglejimmie:
Stick with the backseat/pole/screwdriver method it never fails!
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Anybody remember that episode of the Brady Bunch, when Jim Baccus(Thurston Howell/Mr Magoo) throws the Bradys into a jail in a ghost town, and takes their fried chicken? They had to take all their belts off and used their shoes or something to knock the keys off the wall.
I dunno......just reminded me of that

Framer, give it a try...if all else fails, leave the car in the Bronx with a sign that says free 30" TV inside trunk.

mr70
Feb 7th, 01, 8:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Big Block Dave:
Anybody remember that episode of the Brady Bunch, when Jim Baccus(Thurston Howell/Mr Magoo) throws the Bradys into a jail in a ghost town, and takes their fried chicken? They had to take all their belts off and used their shoes or something to knock the keys off the wall.
I dunno......just reminded me of that

Framer, give it a try...if all else fails, leave the car in the Bronx with a sign that says free 30" TV inside trunk.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How bout when Marsha got hit with the football"OH my Nose".Or Peters voice changed or Tiger knocked over the house of cards,or.....BBD you are watching to much Cable TV.Or else you are remembering this from 30 years ago which is even worse. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/eek.gifI can relate.

66 MYSTERY CHEVELLE
Feb 7th, 01, 8:48 AM
Sorry Chuck, guess I just assumed you meant that you "locked the keys in the trunk" now I see that you just plain lost the keys....yikes! I like the idea Dave had about leaving a sign on it in the Bronx, priceless. Funny Dave, I just saw that Brady episode last week, perks of having a 4 yr. old daughter that is hooked on the Brady's....Woopie!

Exactly what is in the trunk anyway?? http://www.chevelles.com/forum/eek.gif

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SS_Dave
Feb 7th, 01, 9:17 AM
options:

1. Find lost keys. ( easiest )
A lot of us assumed the keys are locked in the trunk because you mentioned trying to get in there. I'll bet thats were they are. If not, they are someplace. Just try to get to the same place they are and WHAMMO! problem solved.
2. Buy new locks. Set for all is around $100.
You can get all the locks changed pretty easy except for the glove box, I think. On a 69, you need the key to remove the tumbler to remove the bezel nut.
3. Pay locksmith. $100 ? ?
find out.

4. Punch the lock out of the trunk and hotwire the ignition. Not acceptable in
some parts of the country.

5. Sell car as is.
This is last resort.

Cheer up! At least you have a car with no keys instead of keys with no car. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/wink.gif

Dave

BB_Mike
Feb 7th, 01, 10:17 AM
Could you just remove A rear speaker and go with the extended pickup trick? I'm partial to the coat hanger trick http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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framer
Feb 7th, 01, 10:59 AM
Thanks for all the input guys!

BBD - Can I get directions to the Bronxs from Toronto? Sounds like the easiest route!

Undee - I think you and I are on the same page. The locksmith talked about the progression method, just wondering if it wouldn't be easier to use Ragtop70's idea to open the trunk and just buy a new glovebox and trunk lock set with keys? I have the glove box out now and when I saw only 4 tumblers I thought something was missing. The locksmith thought it should have 5 not 4.
Anyways, I managed to get the ingnition cylinder out with out the keys (Don't Ask) and have an ignition key but the tumblers were so badly worn that he had to replace them so I guess I have to remove all the door locks and get them replaced as well. http://www.chevelles.com/forum/mad.gif
Guess I learned a lession on this one!

Let me know what you all think.

Chuck

Quadzilla
Feb 7th, 01, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by framer:


Can I get directions to the Bronxs from Toronto? Sounds like the easiest route!
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Are there more than one of the? http://www.chevelles.com/forum/confused.gif ?

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ss3964spd
Feb 7th, 01, 12:15 PM
Chuck,

Ya gotta believe - believe brother, that you are gonna find those keys!

Of course, however, NOT until you spend lots of time and money re-keying that whole car.

THEN, and only then, will they magically turn up between the cushions of the sofa. Or in the sugar bowl. Or in the cat's ear.

BOL......

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framer
Feb 7th, 01, 1:33 PM
Dan,

You know, I remember putting them on my desk and saying I'll put them here so I put them back in my daily driver (where I usually keep them)and that's all I can remember.

But your probably right, as soon as I re key them whole deal they will turn up!

Sucks to be me!

Chuck

rb
Feb 7th, 01, 1:57 PM
Dear Chuck, I don't know if it's worth it to you or not, all the other methods would cost you nearly nothing, but I lost the keys to my '69 Beaumont...just flat out lost 'em. I went to my local GM dealer, McMaster Eastown Chev. Olds in London, Ontario, gave them the VIN and they cut me a new set of keys, ignition and trunk...cost me 50 bucks Canadian, done on the spot, the General verifies the codes or something by FAX...so, I imagine if I found this out, everybody probably knew it long ago, but ifn' ya ever really loose 'em, it's a comfort to know...I had a duplicate set made later that day.

Might help somebody, R. B.

SibbsSS
Feb 7th, 01, 3:25 PM
Chuck,

Years ago I tried using a key from a 67 Grand Prix in my 66 - and it worked. Come to find out that several other GM keys from this era also fit my car. If you know somebody with an octogon shaped GM key, give it a try.

Mike Sibbitt
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dmc9
Feb 7th, 01, 3:26 PM
Remove door panel , then door lock which has a code, then check lock on glove box and that code nbr should be same as trunk. A good locksmith can cut keys from these codes. I have been there , worked on a Nova but my Chevelle had glove box locks changed so locksmith drilled the tumblers from truck , installed new tumblers and gave me a key for 30 dollars. Made ignition key from door lock code

Fine69
Feb 7th, 01, 3:42 PM
I think SibbsSS is onto it! When I was a kid we found that any old worn GM key would start or open up any old GM car! So gather up as many old GM keys an you can and start trying them...

You could always get the folks here to start sending you their spares!! http://www.chevelles.com/forum/eek.gif As long as they provide a return address I am sure you will return them!! http://www.chevelles.com/forum/wink.gif

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Cam
Feb 8th, 01, 5:57 PM
Hey Framer, I notice you're in Toronto. So am I and I also have a '67. Maybe we should try my set in your trunk! There weren't that many combinations that you couldn't stumble across a match. Send me an e-mail.
BTW, in 1967 GM greatly increased the number of lock combinations. They also changed the guide slots to the style used until very recently. But for '67/8 only they used the old style octagonal head ignition & oval head trunk key (used 1935 - 1966!) in combination with the revised slots that carried into the '69 & later keys (y'know, the ignition/steering lock cars).

rb
Feb 9th, 01, 5:02 PM
Dear Chuck, well I hope you got your keys out by now, and I've heard some excellent and creative solutions. Here's one that may not sit too well with people, but I'm fairly sure it's correct. If you are sure the keys are in the trunk, a locksmith can probably pick the lock with those little needle like tools they have fairly easily, but they don't always tell ya. Now I know I'm gonna get #%@!#$% from a bunch of locksmiths...just tryin to be helpful.

Tom Mobley
Feb 9th, 01, 9:59 PM
years ago I used to work in a wrecking yard that specialized in old GM cars. What I did was cut a 6" 3/8 drive extension in half and weld the the pieces onto a five foot section of 1/2" square steel tubing. Basically just made a real long extension. the trunk latch bolts have 1/2" heads. works every time, no damage to anything.

Tom


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junglejimmie
Feb 10th, 01, 9:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tom Mobley:
years ago I used to work in a wrecking yard that specialized in old GM cars. What I did was cut a 6" 3/8 drive extension in half and weld the the pieces onto a five foot section of 1/2" square steel tubing. Basically just made a real long extension. the trunk latch bolts have 1/2" heads. works every time, no damage to anything.

Tom


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RagTop70,Tom,
I'm not picking on you personally but, Why is it that you and others feel the need to remove the entire latch assembly to open the trunk? Many of us have used the screwdriver trick many times with no problems at all. It's so much simpler/quicker....I just don't understand why you would want to spend so much time opening the trunk? Once it's open you can remove the lock cyl. as needed.


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Feb 10th, 01, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by junglejimmie:

RagTop70,Tom,
Why is it that you and others feel the need to remove the entire latch assembly to open the trunk?
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Cause it's more fun and very easy and being gear heads we just like taking bolts out and putting them back in and besides we all have enough 3/8 drive extensions to reach the bolts and don't have to make anything

Thats how I have always done it too but for next time in what part of the latch do you stick the screwdriver that is taped to the home made extension


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Tom Mobley
Feb 10th, 01, 11:15 AM
Dean,

I'm with you, I don't understand what these guys are talking about. When the lock cylinder is still in place the acuator thing-a-majig sticks through the latch, plugging up the slot where you would stick the screwdriver.

That's why I made the long extension, to get around that deal.

Tom

junglejimmie
Feb 10th, 01, 7:34 PM
A thin bladed screwdriver will fit right alongside of the flat rod that protrudes through the hole.....a quick turn and VIOLA! it's open.......

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66Super
Feb 10th, 01, 9:36 PM
You've probably found your keys by now, but for what its worth I'd go with Mr 4 speed. My car was trucked from south of the border last year and when it got to the US border, the transport co. realized they had lost the trunk key. US Customs insisted that the trunk had to be opened so they could inspect it. US Customs has special tools just for this, a screwdriver and a big hammer. Now my SS has a big hole and dent where the lock should be, along with pry marks on the rear panel chrome. They also decided I wouldn't need that lock again so that was also destroyed. So, take your time look for the keys or fish from the back seat.

GuruNate
Feb 11th, 01, 3:28 AM
As far as finding the keys AFTER getting new keys cut... I am living proof that it happens. I was lucky enough to have all the original locks. Had the new keys made from the door codes and the glove box codes (cost $100 + $20 tip cuz the guy made it in 30mins on a Sunday) and sure enough 2 days later the originals showed up... grrr... well I needed a spare set anyway

Fred Ont canada
Feb 12th, 01, 5:58 AM
First car show I went to my son locked the keys in the trunk I took the back seat out and stuffed him in took a minute for him to find the right thing to pull or push but he unlocked it.Got a little kid???FRED

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framer
Feb 12th, 01, 7:14 AM
Just wanted to clairify for every one that I didn't lock the keys in the trunk, I just flat out lost em both. I have since had a new ignition key made but still have the trunk and glovebox to look after.
Thanks again for all the input, lot's of great idea's. I think I will try the old remove the back seat routine and collect as mady extensions as I can get and unbolt the trunk latch.
Junglejimmie,This whole screwdrive deal sounds easy enough, can you be a little more detailed so I understand exactly what to do?

Thanks Again,

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RickS
Feb 12th, 01, 9:43 AM
Chuck,

When you look through the back seat to the back of the car, in the middle of the trunk latch there is a round thing with a rectangular slot in it. When you turn that, the latch opens (when you turn the key, you turn a little rectangular thing that is poking through that hole). Hope that's enough description, a picture would be great but I'm not at home to take one...

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32767chvl
Feb 12th, 01, 11:08 AM
I tried doing a search to find it, (and couldn't) but Big Block Dave had a method for finding lost keys that he posted sometime around May or June:

Went something like this:
Go to your back door and run out onto the lawn as fast as you can. Be sure to trip on something at full speed, and fall down. The keys are sure to wind up jammed into your abdomen wherever you lost them, per Murphy's Law.

I think the idea behind getting into your trunk to take the lock cylinder out would be the best method if you've got a good locksmith. That way, he can work on the lock out of the car, rather than having him come out to your house, or work outside his place.

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bigdog454
Feb 12th, 01, 12:57 PM
Hey Framer,

Sorry for your misfortune. It's sounds like your in good hands with all the responses you've gotten. Although I've never done it, the screwdriver thing should work because you can rotate the latch assembly with the trunk lock in place. In other words, just because the lock portion is "locked", the back end of it with the flat metal protruding from it will rotate. I always wonder about that everytime I see a movie with someone locked in the trunk of a GM car, they could get out so easily. Anyway?!?.

But once you get the trunk open, you can remove the lock and get a new one from the auto parts store, or of course GM. The part store replacements are unlike the stock locks in that they are universal to work with the various blanks (B, D, K etc). What this means to you is you could have the trunk lock re-keyed to match the ignition and door keys! One key for the car (excluding glovebox)

What I suggest you do is get the key codes from the old ignition, but since you said their worn, then the door locks, then have the ignition and trunk locks re-worked to accept what would have been the original door and ignition key. I've done this to one of my Chevelles already, in fact I needed to replace the locks on the doors so I went ahead and re-worked all the locks including the new trunk lock to match the ignition key from my other Chevelle.

If this is the route you want to go, send me your locks and I'll do it for you for free.

For all you other guys, its a really good idea to record you keycodes in case something happens. Record the blank type by its letter (A,B,C,D, etc), then take a dial caliper and start measuring the "cuts" in the key, starting with the cut closest to the head of the key. A "no-cut" is the normal key witdh and that should be .250" which is assigned a "1". The deepest cut is a "5" and that is .150". 1=.248", 2=.223", 3=.198", 4=.173" and 5=.148". So you'll have 5 possible cut depths, and you'll see that you have 6 "cuts" altogether on each key. Don't be confused by what looks like the first "cut" which is actually on all key blanks and will measure out to be about a 2. Start at the one right after that. Then in the future if keys are lost, any locksmith or GM dealer should be able to cut you keys from the codes.

I once lost the keys to my 86 Pontiac when I was skiing during a get acquanted with the hill tumble. Anyway it was my only set. Thankfully it was not the car I drove on the trip and I had brought another set of keys to the car I drove, which a friend was holding for me. Anyway, when I got home I called a local Pontiac dealer and with the VIN number they were able to get me the 4 digit alpha-numeric code which is used to get the actual 6 digit key cuts. I have the books and the cutter so i was able to cut a set of keys real easy. I have since recoded the codes for every car I have, and everyone I've had since then.

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framer
Feb 13th, 01, 12:29 PM
Hey Big Dog,

Thanks for the offer!

Let's see if I understand what you are saying. since my ignition tumblers were worn (Locksmith gave them back to me) you would use the codes from the door locks to rework the trunk?
Never the less, I would like to keep the keys original. One key for ignition and doors and another for trunk and glovebox.
So I guess I'm asking for options.

1. Open trunk and replace trunk and glovebox with a matched set with keys from the local antique Chev guy. Remove the door locks and have them reworked to accept the key from my new ignition.

2.Remove trunk and door locks and send them to you to be reworked to accept the same key.
End up with a key that will open the doors and trunk and a separate key for ignition only. What to do about the glovebox?

Now that it's as clear as mud, let me know if I'm on the right page.

Chuck

bigdog454
Feb 13th, 01, 12:44 PM
With wanting to keep things as original it would be best if you mailed me the trunk lock that you remove, one door lock and a new igntion lock.

I'll pull the trunk lock apart and figure out the codes and make you a key. If it needs new tumblers I'll put those in as well. That way, you will also have the key to work the glovebox.

Then I'll pull the door lock apart, figure out the codes and replace tumblers if necessary and with those codes, re-code the new ignition lock. Then you'll have everthing as it was originally. I might possibly have an old style blank, but I'll look. Otherwise I'll the keys from newer blanks and you can always have someone cut another set from those using an old style blank.
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My point on the one key for the whole car, it's just a possiblity that's available because of the way they make the aftermarket trunk locks. And I did this for my 68 Chevelle convertible and it's keyed to match my 68 hardtop, so one key for 2 cars. Of course this leaves me without the glovebox key, but I never lock it anyway. For you though, and wanting to stay original, I'll do it just like stock - 2 keys; [1st - ignition & doors] then [2nd - glovebox & trunk]

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framer
Feb 14th, 01, 11:13 AM
Bigdog, you've got mail.

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Enganeer
Feb 14th, 01, 12:08 PM
My 64 has one key for the ignition, doors, and trunk. I have not tried the glove box yet. What years did GM just have one key or when did they go to two keys.

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Feb 14th, 01, 12:32 PM
GOOD LORD SCOTTY! we h've a true locksmith among us....

AND

"If this is the route you want to go, send me your locks and I'll do it for you for free."

The price is right too!

The stock door/ignition and trunk/glovebox setup seems intuitive enough.

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bigdog454
Feb 14th, 01, 3:48 PM
Not a locksmith, but I play one on TV http://www.chevelles.com/forum/biggrin.gif

Just kidding. Actually I'm a mechanical engineer and a long time ago I worked on designing a key cutter for my company so I got pretty familiar with GM key codes. But I cannot recall if and when GM had only one key. I'll try and find out tonight, but I'm certain that one of the guys out there can answer that before I do.

But the one key thing for me, came about because I went ahead and re-keyed the whole car with one key, this being due to the aftermarket trunk lock which is not key (blank type) specific.