Did all 70' model ss's have hood pins & cables?

I seem to be reading conflicting information that hood pins really did not come along until 71'.

David,

No. The standard SS hood in 70 was the domed hood witout the Cowl Induction. When you ordered the Cowl Induction option, you got the pins and cables.

The Cowl Induction Hood became the Standard SS hood in 71

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Bill Taylor
Merrimack, NH
TC Gold Member #73
http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/BillTSS70-2

Yes they did,
All 70-72 Chevelles with Cowl induction, came standard with hood pins.
They were optional with the Super Sport hood

David,
Hood pins ONLY came with the Cowl Induction hood. When a CI hood is manufactured, the pin holes were ALWAYS punched. The brace on the under side of an SS hood has these holes but the top panel of an SS hood does not. On ALL original SS cars WITHOUT the CI hood that I have ever seen, the radiator support also has the pin holes already. All other cars (Malibus, etc) just have the indentations where the hood pin holes would be located. Therefore it is too easy for someone to install (and many people have, including myself) the pins on an SS hood (which is the same hood on a Heavy Chevy). It is very likely that some people who bought an SS new, liked, and requested the dealer to install, hood pins on an SS hood. Therefore, yes, some people probably drove a BRAND NEW SS out of the dealership with pins installed. BUT NON-CI HOOD SSs DID NOT COME FROM THE ASSEMBLY PLANTS WITH PINS.

Let's see what happens now.

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Tom Parsons

[This message has been edited by DZAUTO (edited 09-11-99).]

DZ, buddy, I think you may be wrong....I think if you ordered the D88 hood and deck stripe, you got pins. I may be wrong too, so... http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

I have to side with DZAUTO on this one.D88 hood and deck stripes did not come with hood pins if the cowl induction was NOT ordered.Seen many cars with the stripes-no cowl and no pins.

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Dean Ciampi(Spring Hill,FL)
Autumn Gold 1970 LS6 Chevelle
Team Chevelle Gold #52 Aces #3094

Gentlemen:

I have an original '70-72 SS hood. It does howver have the holes for the hood pins and screws already punched and tapped. This was an original hood I purchased and it had factory paint and stripes on it. The deck holes appear to be VERY original to me.

Just my $0.02.

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I agree with DZAUTO regarding the factory hood pins being exclusive to the Cowl Induction cars - for '70. For '71 & '72, the Chevelle SS & Heavy Chevy used hood pins as standard equipment, even with the standard domed hood without C.I! I checked the brochures, 'Super Sports 1961 - 1976' by Terry Boyce, and 2 different road tests of actual production small block '71s with the pins w/o Cowl Induction (Motor Trend & Road Test.

I have owned an original 71 SS without CI (domed hood only). Car was forest green w/no stripes. The car came from the factory with hood pins installed.

To help this discussion,

Here is a GM promo image of a '72 Heavy Chevy.

http://www.chevelles.com/years/72/heavychvy.jpg

Note: Domed hood, non CI, hood pins.

I have not been able to find in the RPO codes online a seperate entry for Hood Pins, for 70, 71 or 72 (meaning ordering a 70 SS w/o CI but with the RPO for the pins.)

I find most illustrated books produced suspect due to gross errors. Many of the cars illustrated are restored, sometimes with little regard to what is "correct". That said, "MUSCLE CAR COLOR HISTORY: Chevelle 64-72" by Mike Mueller shows:

1970
3 70SS 3 w/CI and pins
1 70SS standard SS hood w/o pins. An apparent LS6 CONVERTIBLE! w/o CI. The air cleaner is the rare dual snorkle closed element variety. Alum. intake. TCS w/ wire going to right head temp sender, valve covers have wire clips on sides for electrics, master cylinder has the bleeder valves. Looks pretty correct to me. Though anyone could build anything they wanted. FWIW, attention to detail is evident here.

1971
2 71SS w/CI & pins,
1 71SS standard SS hood w/Pins
1 Heavy Chevy, standard SS hood w/ pins

1972
2 72SS standard hood w/ Pins
1 72SS w/ CI and w/ pins.

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??michael j Team Chevelle Gold #77
70 Chevelle SS396 4sp, Fathom Blue/White Stripes - Canadian built




[This message has been edited by michael j (edited 09-13-99).]

Just to inform everyone who didn't already know, D88 was the option code for stripes not for a particular hood! I have a '70 malibu with standard flat hood that has the D88 hood stripe option and I have the build sheet to prove it. Car came cranberry red with black hood and deck stripes.

I'm not going to argue with anyone about this because I have learned that invariably when I do I am proven wrong. But to really settle this question (and I think this one is worth settling) we need to see one of 2 things. Someone's actual build sheet or window sticker, or some Chevrolet option code that shows pins could be had on a NON CI Hood. I have not yet been able to come up with a code for JUST the pins, and there is no pin code listed in the Restoration Shop of this site. So, come on someone, if pins were available seperately, give us some help with a code or documentation.
I really do believe that a brand new SS hood delivered with pins at a dealership was probably a dealer installed item.
Now watch someone come up with a hard core, black and white code or build sheet.

And while we are on the subject of hoods, does anyone know what the code was for DELETING stripes from a CI Hood?

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Tom Parsons

[This message has been edited by DZAUTO (edited 09-13-99).]

DZ- I think that if you wanted the stripes deleted from the cowl hood, the dealer wrote in on the side of the order blank "delete D88 hood and deck stripe" then the build sheet would just have a dash where the stripe code goes.

Hello,

Here is some additional info. I purchased a new GM CI hood from my local chevy dealer about a year ago to replace my original CI hood that had seen better days. Once the hood was home and removed from the box it was discovered that the wrong hood was ordered at the dealer. I received an SS hood, not the CI hood that I ordered.

The SS hood DID NOT have the hood pin holes on the outer sheet metal but did have the elongated holes in the hood brace. Once the correct CI hood was received, IT HAD the hood pin holes as well as the screw holes for the stainless trim plates.

But as DZAUTO stated it would be very easy to add the holes in the exterior sheet metal of the SS hood for the hood pins somewhere down the line; like at the dealer.

Another observation is that the holes on my radiator support where the retaining cables for the "hair pins" are screwed into, are dimpled on top and the holes are punched in the metal, not drilled. I would suspect if these holes where drilled then that would indicate a non-factory install.

Just some additional info to ponder.

One can't go by what shows up in GM PROMO pictures!

As an example, there's a PROMO picture of a white '64 or '65 (can't remember which) that shows rear scoops on the lower rear quarter panel. PRODUCTION vehicles DID NOT have these scoops.

There are many many other examples of things showing up in the PROMO or PRE-PRODUCTION publicity photos GM put out.

Be very very cautious about stating just because something is shown in a "picture" makes it "gospel".

Len.

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I bought an orginal SS hood from a junk yard and I had the pins. I also have a Promo for 1972 El Camino. The one that compares the chevy trucks still on the road. It has hood pins, and its an SS w/o stripes or cowl induction.

I have an idea, whats the assembly manuals say. I'm at college right now, so I don't have mine, but this might be able to help us out. Just a thought.

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Bryan Shook
Burgettstown, Pa
1972 El Camino

I can further substantiate Michael J's comments as my brother's '71 Heavy Chevy 402 4-speed did indeed have the domed hood WITH hood pins. He bought this car new off the lot. My old '71 SS 350 had the domed hood WITHOUT hood pins - in addition the core support was not pre-drilled for the hood pins.

[This message has been edited by Kevin (edited 09-14-99).]

Well David,
As you can see, your question is beginning to become interesting. We may and we may not get you a 100% correct answer. But this is one of those little things that that deserves some research.

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Tom Parsons

I think all of you are confusing the original question. It pertained to a 1970 model. I am pretty sure DZ is correct on this one as far as 1970 goes. One of my employees had a 1970 SS396 car that he purchased new in 1970. It had the domed hood, but not functioning cowl induction. It did NOT have hood pins. He brought in a picture today from the day he bought the car so we could verify it. Now in 1971 and 1972 I believe all the domed hoods came with hood pins. I know my Heavy Chevy did, it still has the original stuff on it ! I do have my original window sticker and it shows nothing of hood pins, just the Heavy Chevy option package.
My 1971 Assembly manual, on page 740, shows the Z-15 SS package. It lists "hold down lock" (hood pins) as part of the SS package. On page 744 it shows the hood pins in detail and lists them as "SS" Package-Hold Down Lock. I wonder if Kevins SS350 car had the hood replaced at some time ? Or maybe a real early 1971 ?
I guess one possible exception would be if it was possible to order a non-SS, non-Heavy Chevy, with the domed hood only ?? I certainly never remember seeing any, and cannot find any reference to the hood being available on a regular Malibu.
Don't know if this added to the confusion or just made it worse http://www.chevelles.com/forum/smile.gif

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Bill Koustenis
Advanced Automotive Machine
Waldorf Md

1971 Heavy Chevy - original owner
Team Chevelle #100

i never dreamed this topic would generate so much interest and confusion.

one particular book i have does state that pins did not become available on ss model domed hood until 71.

although there seem to be some different opinions out there, it's great to see such interest in my question.

thanks to all who answered!

BillK- the question would be....does the pic of your employee's 70 have stripes???

HEY! I FIGURED IT OUT!
It seems that we are all half right.
I Looked up the part #s In my GM parts catalog for the pins, cables and clips.
It shows that in 70, the pins only came with cowl Induction. But in 71-72 they were available on the SS hood. For example
Here's the part # for the pins as shown in the book
3975341- 70-72 All with spec Ducted Hood
71-72 All with Super Sport PKG or
Heavy Chevy Opt.
Here are the #s for the hoods

3987028-70-72 All With special Ducted
Air system.
3987022- 70- All with SS pkg except
Special Ducted air system
71-72 All with SS or Heavy Chevy
option, except special duct
hood air system.
See note B.
Note B. says: Add holes where necessary.

My 72 sales brochure shows a heavy Chevy and an SS 454 both with hood pins and no cowl induction.
This should be the answer that we are all looking for.

[This message has been edited by JSL (edited 09-14-99).]

BillT, Sorry to argue but in 71 & 72 the Ci hood was optional and the domed SS hood was still the standard hood for SS's. My 71 SS454 was original with domed hood and hood pins. 2nd owner since '82.