I have the chance to pick up a Winona(Goodson) Bronze Wall guide liner kit for cheap. It uses a hand held drill to ream and broach the guide. Has anyone used this kit before.....or would any of you trust a guide job not done on a seat&guide machine? I figure since it's Winona that it would be at least somewhat decent.....but I don't want to end up with off-angle guides.

I'm hoping to buy this because I kinda want to start my own garage machine shop to maybe sell rebuilt cylindar heads out of....but I obviously don't have the cash for a S&G machine or anything nice. If I'm crazy for doing this.....please slap some sense into me now.

Originally posted by drums&cars:
I have the chance to pick up a Winona(Goodson) Bronze Wall guide liner kit for cheap. It uses a hand held drill to ream and broach the guide. Has anyone used this kit before.....or would any of you trust a guide job not done on a seat&guide machine? I figure since it's Winona that it would be at least somewhat decent.....but I don't want to end up with off-angle guides.

I'm hoping to buy this because I kinda want to start my own garage machine shop to maybe sell rebuilt cylindar heads out of....but I obviously don't have the cash for a S&G machine or anything nice. If I'm crazy for doing this.....please slap some sense into me now. Trevor,
Are you referring to the threaded system or the bronze wall guideliner system?
I will assume the liner system.
The short answer is it is not a real good idea in my opinion.
Here is the long answer :D
It is next to impossible to get the guides reamed straight without some more equipment & the bronze liners although easily installed are not easily installed properly.
I have been using the K-Line liners for over 10 years with excellent results but I use a air locking stand that locks both the head & tooling so it is very hard to get anything but a straight hole for the liner to go into.
I installed the liners many years ago without the bench but still with guide bushings & got very good at it but would still screw some of them up.
You would end up with a guide that the valve would go into from either end but would not go all the way through without excessive clearance.
This means the hole is not straight.
This is not good :(
Although I feel the liner system when used properly is excellent as do people like Joe Mondello among others, I do not feel the hand held system is worth a crap if you want to do a good job ;)
BTW, K-Line is the originator of this system.

Originally posted by Wolfplace:
Trevor,
Are you referring to the threaded system or the bronze wall guideliner system?
I will assume the liner system.
The short answer is it is not a real good idea in my opinion.
Here is the long answer :D
It is next to impossible to get the guides reamed straight without some more equipment & the bronze liners although easily installed are not easily installed properly.
I have been using the K-Line liners for over 10 years with excellent results but I use a air locking stand that locks both the head & tooling so it is very hard to get anything but a straight hole for the liner to go into.
I installed the liners many years ago without the bench but still with guide bushings & got very good at it but would still screw some of them up.
You would end up with a guide that the valve would go into from either end but would not go all the way through without excessive clearance.
This means the hole is not straight.
This is not good :(
Although I feel the liner system when used properly is excellent as do people like Joe Mondello among others, I do not feel the hand held system is worth a crap if you want to do a good job ;)
BTW, K-Line is the originator of this system. Ok, thanks. I figured as much......just wanted to see if the hand held drill had potential to leave a straight guide. I'll just wait a few years till I have the money for a used decent machine, like a Peterson(which I've used alot and am comfortable with anyways). Thanks for setting my head straight.