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: Fuel System - Help!


primer67
Aug 7th, 03, 1:21 AM
Ok, I have a installed a completely new fuel system. Fuel cell, Electric pump, regulator, 750 double pumper, all with stainless steel line. I have it set at 7psi fuel pressure. It was running fine for a day or so, then out of the blue - driving down the street -it died and would not start. After messing around with the carb settings, I could get it started enough to get it home (car died about 4 times on the way home-would not idle). I have narrowed it down to the fuel system, because when I crank it over, then release the key a cloud of smoke and gas spits out - even got a geiser of fuel to shoot up a few times!

Well after alot of trial and error, I could get the car started after taking the fuse out of the elec. fuel pump and after it is running I can get the car to keep running by reinstalling the fuse and turn down the fuel pressure to like 2 psi, or even 0 on the guage.

But it will not start with the elec. fuel pump hooked up at start.
Help, I do not know how to fix this!

Wolfplace
Aug 7th, 03, 1:52 AM
Sounds like you might have gotten some crap in the needles & seats ;)
Try cleaning them out before doing anything else.

Pat Kelley
Aug 7th, 03, 1:53 AM
I'll bet there is some junk in the needle and seat, flooding the bowls. Pull out the N/S assembly and give it a good cleaning. This is not uncommon after working on the fuel lines.

primer67
Aug 10th, 03, 12:28 AM
Ok, I pulled the bowls and the metering blocks, and cleaned them out, there was a little junk in there. I made sure the floats were correct and the idle screws set to spec. I am still getting the same problem. :mad:
I let the fuel pressure build up (6psi), then cranked it over, but it still would not start. I removed the fuse for the fuel pump, then it starts right up and runs (until the fuel is emptied from the line). While it is running I can put the fuse back in the pump to keep the car running, but it is clearly too rich as there is excess smoke coming out the exhuast.
I dont know what else to do, seriously thinking about putting a manual fuel pump on and forgetting about the electic...any suggestions??

JRS70LS5
Aug 11th, 03, 12:19 PM
check the float level, fuel should be at the bottom of sight plug,if you have another fuel pressure guage try it the one you have maybe giving you a false reading and you may have to much fuel pressure.It shouldn't matter if you are useing a electric fuel pump or mechanical as long as fuel pressure isn't to high I wouldn't go over 7 1/2.

primer67
Aug 14th, 03, 12:22 AM
Ahh ahaha I figured it out! graemlins/thumbsup.gif
This is very stupid but what happened was that I wired the MSD and the Fuel Pump together at a 12 volt switched sorce. This was causing the MSD not to fire when the fuel pump was on.
This is why it was able to start when I removed the fuse for the fuel pump-because then the MSD was getting the full 12 volts. graemlins/boring.gif
Would the continuous cranking without starting cause the fuel to spout up like it did though?
I did clean the carb out (there was debris), so now it seems to start right up and run fine. Crazy stuff!...I just hope it keeps running fine, as I have only tested this a few start ups...
Thanks for the input.

phel69
Aug 16th, 03, 2:03 PM
I'm a litle confused about why they can't be wired off the same source. It should be just the same as a junction block. The only thing I could see is one device pulling too much current but this should blow a fuse. I run a Mallory setup and am not familiar with MSD requirements. Does your electric fuel pump use a relay to pull voltage and your switched source was only used to feed a relay? I don't see where this would cause a problem. Or did you feed your switched source straight to your fuel pump?

primer67
Aug 18th, 03, 6:18 PM
Yes, the fused fuel pump was wired to the MSD line which was connected to a switched 12 volt. I am positive this was it, because it starts and runs like a champ now.

Im sure the fuel pump was just drawing too much away from the MSD, so it didnt have enought to fire up.

...although after starting, I could re-attach the fuel pump and it would run...

either way, its all good now! smile.gif