Friends
I am haivng a problem, car has been in the shop 5 months what started as a A/C and dash install has extended to air ride and EFI, Brakes, etc,etc,etc
now they are telling me i need to replace my return fuel line due to it being original and not safe and also my gas tank
they have suggested i purchase a EFI tank with fuel pump inside at the lovely price of $ 1,300.00 with brackets and pump inside from some company in texas
what have the prices been on some of the tanks you have priced and the name brands
I have seen some online for around 450 to 700.00 but was not with pump inside
I have had Race cars with external fuel pumps with no problems, now all of a sudden it is best to have the pump inside the tank why the big change, ( Being sarcastic)

any input would be greatly appreciated

I bought one with the pump inside from the parts place inc. for about 550 shipped to my door.
Tom

in theory it really is best to have the pump(s) submerged in the tank. they are quieter and run cooler. they also have a much shorter distance to suck fuel .
OTOH, external pumps are MUCH easier to change when they go out. If it were me, I'd put an access door in your trunk. I just installed an EFI earlier this year on my uncles 38 ford streetrod and one of the first problems we had was the in-tank fuel pump was bad and had to be changed. This car needs half a day to drop the gas tank due to the filler neck routing. Fortunately for me they decided to put an access panel in the trunk floor. Hours turned into minutes, and I didnt have to even crawl underneath.

If your tank is old, it needs to be replaced. Sounds like your spending money. Fuel delivery is the most inportant part of efi. Ricks tanks are very nice and yes very expensive. I am installing one today. It will be a while before I can comment on how well it works. Sounds like something like is the way for you unless you are willing to modify stock tanks with new parts. In tank pump may be the best but there are a lot of people running external pumps. I think the only downfall is if your running on 1/4 tank you need to fill up. How much hp you running? There is a good thread recently on here that talks about tank design and the needed parts

I'm running a stealth tank from Rick's Hot Rod. It has an Aeromotive A1000 pump and filter inside the tank, proper venting and baffles to keep the fuel from sloshing around. The tank is VERY WELL constructed and built from stainless steel. The is a service plate on top of the tank to access the pump/filter. It's also very heavy (about 70lbs with no fuel in it)! But if you've got to add weight to a car, what better place to put it than behind the rear tires? :)

Lastly, I paid DEARLY for this tank. It was around $2k. No regrets on this purchase whatsoever. HTH....

Thanks Guys, i ordered one from the Parts place for 449.00, The person working on my car tried to get me to change my mind and tell me it was a 4 week wait and the Stainless tank he wanted to get $ 1,400.00 was a direct fit, and the one i was going to get had to be cut open and mount the pump then closed back up

come to find out the Tank i ordered is made at the factory with all factory welds
direct fit with sending units
New pump inside
no cutting and re-welding
and in stock

I just cant justify spending 1,000.00 more for a gas tank,

I really like the discreet aspect of having the pump inside the tank.

I also have a question concerning the EFI tanks with the in-tank fuel pump. I need to run an electric fuel pump since my stroker crank on my inline six wont allow the use of a mechanical pump. Will the EFI tank have too much pump pressure for my twin carburated setup? This is a street car that probably will not see any sort of drag racing. I was thinking 7 lbs of pressure, not 85. Perhaps I could run an external regulator, but still the EFI fuel pumps have way more pressure than I need. Does anyone have a suggestion, even if it is simply to contact the manufacturer directly? Thanks.

A regulator and return line that can return lots of fuel back to the tank.

So most EFI pumps are used to pushing against a pressure of about 45 PSI give or take. With the right regulator that gets dropped which unloads the fuel pump. The pump output increases a bit and electrical draw drops. Really should not hurt the pump.

I'd contact the company and ask if they have an option for a more suitable in-tank pump. even the ones meant for a TBI usually run around 14lbs, this in conjunction with a normal by-pass regulator should work or they might even have a 7 lb pump for carbs.

what company did you buy the tank from.

Thanks Guys, i ordered one from the Parts place for 449.00, The person working on my car tried to get me to change my mind and tell me it was a 4 week wait and the Stainless tank he wanted to get $ 1,400.00 was a direct fit, and the one i was going to get had to be cut open and mount the pump then closed back up

come to find out the Tank i ordered is made at the factory with all factory welds
direct fit with sending units
New pump inside
no cutting and re-welding
and in stock

I just cant justify spending 1,000.00 more for a gas tank,


Can you get specs of the pump and show us some pics when it arrives?
Seems very inexpensive.....?

I second the request to see pics of the tank when you get it. That price is amazing and I'm close to needing a fuel tank like that. Please let us know when you get it what you think of it.

Another vote here for pics of the tank. When you consider that a new tank is something like $180, and an in-tank pump (walbro 255 L/ph) is another $125, that's $300 in parts, and another $150 to have it all setup for you inside the tank. That does sound like a pretty fair deal.

-Dave

So an interesting observation/thought...

I was test driving a new car this weekend and of course it is EFI. Most of the cars on the lot are kept with about 1/4 tank or so but this car was fresh off the truck and being held for a car show, so it had what would be a bit less than this ;-)

Getting onto the freeway I was "testing" the paddle shifters and the car was surging big time. Car salesman in the back thought it was something *I* was doing and was wondering what the heck I was doing. I was wondering what the heck *it* was doing and why it was not working as expected.

Then I figured it out: it was running out of gas. During acceleration fuel was being pulled away from the pump and the engine was dying out. The resulting decceleration caused the fuel to return to the pump and the engine would run again. Gradual acceleration would not pull the fuel away from the pump and everything would seem normal.

We drove sedately to the nearest gas station.

I bring this up here because of the "early warning" aspect of this. We basically got a warning of impending silence before we were in hard failure mode. This is an interesting concept to consider in designing an EFI fuel supply system.

I bring this up here because of the "early warning" aspect of this. We basically got a warning of impending silence before we were in hard failure mode. This is an interesting concept to consider in designing an EFI fuel supply system.

Motorcycle gas tanks solved this problem in a very simple and effective way a long time ago.

I don't know, kinda think a motorcycle tank wouldn't have much range with my 454 ........

I don't know, kinda think a motorcycle tank wouldn't have much range with my 454 ........
No doubt.
But for somebody really concerned about having some emergency reserve fuel when the tank gets really low, an auxiliary pickup lower in the tank would accomplish this easily.

Here's a possibility:




http://www.ecklerschevelle.com/chevelle-efi-converted-gas-tank-1964-1967.html


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Here's a possibility:




http://www.ecklerschevelle.com/chevelle-efi-converted-gas-tank-1964-1967.html


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That same tank is available at Rock Auto for just about $400 with shipping included.

In my experience, Ecklers prices are outrageously out of line with other vendors. They suffer from the Corvette syndrome. :rolleyes: Just because that crowd is willing to overpay, doesn't mean the Chevelle guys need to.

That same tank is available at Rock Auto for just about $400 shipping included





Don't know if it's the same unit as Eckler's or not,

but Rock Auto has the Spectra 37-BFI for approx. 319.00.


HTH :beers:

In my experience, Ecklers prices are outrageously out of line with other vendors. They suffer from the Corvette syndrome. :rolleyes: Just because that crowd is willing to overpay, doesn't mean the Chevelle guys need to.



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HTH :beers:

This may be a dead topic, but it's where i am in my build right now and I wanted to ask, has anyone tried the $449.00 fuel tank from the parts place yet, I found that they still have some in stock and am planning on ordering one, just wanted some feedback if anyone has driven theirs yet? How do they perform? Thanks,Matt

This may be a dead topic, but it's where i am in my build right now and I wanted to ask, has anyone tried the $449.00 fuel tank from the parts place yet, I found that they still have some in stock and am planning on ordering one, just wanted some feedback if anyone has driven theirs yet? How do they perform? Thanks,Matt

Based ont he part #'s listed& prices I'd say they're the Spectre tanks.

I sort of thought those were spectre tanks too, so what is the verdict with the spectre tank, who has them, who has driven them, what are the opinions?

A search of this site will get you that info... from memory the experiences have been a bit dissappointing. The Spectra tanks work alright for some but many have had fuel starvation problems with lower fuel levels.

A search of this site will get you that info... from memory the experiences have been a bit dissappointing. The Spectra tanks work alright for some but many have had fuel starvation problems with lower fuel levels.

This is also what I have heard. Supposedly they have revised them.

Also search LS1 tech for "F350 superduty 6.8L fuel pump module".

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-hybrids/1382944-spectra-efi-gas-tank-yay-nay-11.html

Has anyone run the EFI submersible pump on a carburated engine with a regulator? Why would this not work or is it too high a psi and just wasting the pump ? I'm running a stock 502 and need to go electric pump anyways ??

Has anyone run the EFI submersible pump on a carburated engine with a regulator? Why would this not work or is it too high a psi and just wasting the pump ? I'm running a stock 502 and need to go electric pump anyways ??


Too high a psi and a waste. You could regulate the psi down to carb levels, but it'd be an expensive regulator to do well down at that low carb' psi levels. You would have to have a return line too, which is additional cost for what is a relatively simple problem (feeding a carb).

thanks BB Mike, kinda thought the same. Maybe I should go EFI too and go all the way