Has anyone seen this from Spectre? http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG.901272

Anyone using it or is there anything similar on the market?

I was looking at these ages ago: http://www.ramairbox.com/

Just spotted it last week or so. Have been looking at it and I think I may give it a try when my car gets to that point sometime in the next 10 years. :D

I'll be on the road next year this time. I know I could do something similar with parts or make one myself but im lazy in my old age, dig the pulled inners / old school look, appears it would be functional (worth minimal to little in terms of performance I suspect) but I like it. Probably change it over to a black chrome type coating.

How great is the temp difference between a regular filter and where these draw in air when the car is moving? And how do these metal tubes not get hot and retain that heat when the car is sitting still. Really doubt there could be much if any use for these, but they look kind of cool. Not $600 cool though.

How great is the temp difference between a regular filter and where these draw in air when the car is moving? And how do these metal tubes not get hot and retain that heat when the car is sitting still. Really doubt there could be much if any use for these, but they look kind of cool. Not $600 cool though.

Draws air from behind removed tailights so outside air. Standard drawing air from underhood heat so I figure there has to be a consistent difference in temps - outside the engine bay, inside the engine bay - no? Tubes shouldnt get seriously hot because they have outside air being pulled through them to the carb which shouldnt be a real heat source to send heat back up the tubes. I'd figure it would get about as hot as the top of your current air filter set up gets now after driving. I havent ever burnt my hands taking off the air filter on a hot motor, no reason this intake setup should get any hotter in terms of heat transfer to the tubes. But agree with minimal performance gains. Seems every single cold air set up I have ever seen from cowl induction to any other is very minimal but I still like it for some reason myself.

I was looking at these ages ago: http://www.ramairbox.com/

I saw those too and was figuring out how to do a cowl induction a while ago.

Just spotted it last week or so. Have been looking at it and I think I may give it a try when my car gets to that point sometime in the next 10 years. :D

I'll be on the road next year this time. I know I could do something similar with parts or make one myself but im lazy in my old age, dig the pulled inners / old school look, appears it would be functional (worth minimal to little in terms of performance I suspect) but I like it. Probably change it over to a black chrome type coating.

I could also, I have no time to search parts and put thinking into it, I just wanna get the kit and bolt it in...

How great is the temp difference between a regular filter and where these draw in air when the car is moving? And how do these metal tubes not get hot and retain that heat when the car is sitting still. Really doubt there could be much if any use for these, but they look kind of cool. Not $600 cool though.

That's a good point, looks like it takes the air coming up from the front inside of the fenderwells, battery definitely has to go in the trunk. I saw others they have that you remove the high beams and the air intake takes the place of the headlight.

My hood hits my air cleaner even with a drop base, I've got the back of it raised up but it looks like crap. Either I find a very low profile solution, a lower intake manifold (not gonna happen) or I get a hood with a scoop and change it out for my 68 SS hood...

I could also, I have no time to search parts and put thinking into it, I just wanna get the kit and bolt it in...



Older I get the more that becomes my motto. :D

Don't take this the wrong way but, everyone I've met in the tuner world considers Spectre products to be junk. If these folks wouldn't even consider using their piping couplers, I wouldn't consider them for any part of my chevelle.

Don't take this the wrong way but, everyone I've met in the tuner world considers Spectre products to be junk. If these folks wouldn't even consider using their piping couplers, I wouldn't consider them for any part of my chevelle.

But they love loud 16 second rides with no seats and a rollbar with a NOS sticker on it? Aint that like saying a bunch of vegetarians stated that slow cooked brisket is terrible so I shouldnt try it?

Maybe thats a sign I SHOULD use it. :D

Looks like it would add form and a bit of function, has me curious. Its the style I would like so maybe if its junk will just go back to designing my own of the same style. Dont want cowl induction, want cold air, dig the routing and style of it. And now ya killed it by telling me the honda guys with neon lights and tornado intakes think its junk. Damn. ;)

But they love loud 16 second rides with no seats and a rollbar with a NOS sticker on it? Aint that like saying a bunch of vegetarians stated that slow cooked brisket is terrible so I shouldnt try it?

Maybe thats a sign I SHOULD use it. :D

Looks like it would add form and a bit of function, has me curious. Its the style I would like so maybe if its junk will just go back to designing my own of the same style. Dont want cowl induction, want cold air, dig the routing and style of it. And now ya killed it by telling me the honda guys with neon lights and tornado intakes think its junk. Damn. ;)


I know you know the difference between ricers, posers and actual tuners. Give them their props as they are the hotrodders of NOW, as we were the hotrodders of THEN.

Looking at the design, there's dead air in those spots on the fenders. Unless you were to open air access, I don't see how it will be much colder than ambient everywhere else in the engine compartment. Remove the outer headlights? :(

I know you know the difference between ricers, posers and actual tuners. Give them their props as they are the hotrodders of NOW, as we were the hotrodders of THEN.

Looking at the design, there's dead air in those spots on the fenders. Unless you were to open air access, I don't see how it will be much colder than ambient everywhere else in the engine compartment. Remove the outer headlights? :(

I saw that system, and I was thinking to add a bit more tubing and run the tube THROUGH the inner fenders ( like UNDER the battery tray)... You could possibly retain the battery location, AND get some cooler outside air...

I was also lookinf at my "Spoilers by Randy" spoiler and thinking of like "brake cooling ducts", but used for the intake air...


My big problem, is that for the $525+, it still looks like a somewhat cheesy "kit"... I take that back, partially... I guess the cheesy-ness was when I was looking at all the "build it yourself" pieces, the prebent pipes don't look too bad...

The cold air is a great idea. I think there are varying opinions about how much it will increase performance. It is cool to me, I want a dual snorkel cold air setup on my car. I won't use cone style open element filters, in my opinion they do not belong on a carbed muscle car.

I'd like to have one of these.
http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/800/865/865-9869.jpg

Yes, it is Spectre, but how do you mess one of these up? There are a few other manufacturers that offer them, and some on ebay as well. You can run piping or flexible tubing, and keep the advantage of a round filter and domed housing. With something similar to this on the end of each tube...

http://autoanything.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/banks_super_scoop.jpg


Not so big, but that is rectangular, so as to fit right under the bumper or along the sides of the radiator. .


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Some of these pieces would make a clean kit. also the early 80s 305 HO cars had a neat dual snorkel setup.

http://www.ramairbox.com/images/16partsx.gif

You could always use the 68-9 442 setup, diagram here:
http://www.yearone.com/pco/3_0510/full.asp?page=149

The bumper scoops would work on our cars, and easily adapted to an air cleaner.

I know you know the difference between ricers, posers and actual tuners. Give them their props as they are the hotrodders of NOW, as we were the hotrodders of THEN.

Looking at the design, there's dead air in those spots on the fenders. Unless you were to open air access, I don't see how it will be much colder than ambient everywhere else in the engine compartment. Remove the outer headlights? :(

Was only foolin about the ricer folks hotrod....err....programmers / tuners. :D

Yes, I was referring to the system where the highbeams are removed and the tubing / connectors used in place. Spectre makes them but they arent on the site. I know others make them as well. Brushed or polished inlet and you retain your headlights rings. Have seen them with inline conical filters that sit in the tube.

Guess theres all kinds of options for this but yeah, I was referring to the old through the highbeam intake.

Has anyone seen this from Spectre? http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG.901272

Anyone using it or is there anything similar on the market?

The spectre stuff is actually really high quality. Their dress up stuff is crap but I came across a 4" tight 90 elbow they make that runs for 22 bucks. A lot of LS swaps Ive done uses this very elbow do to tight clearance of the radiator and fan. I can vouch that their silcone couplers are well worth the cash.

When I saw the airboxes at the first Pleasanton show this year, I was impressed with the quality of the products. For turbo guys, the split intakes are just the ticket. Im building a car using their stuff for the induction exclusivley due to price and the fact that it actually is good quality.

http://image.popularhotrodding.com/f/project-cars/spectre-performance-cold-air-intake/24893464/spectre-performance-cold-air-intake.jpg
Stay away from the hose braid and chrome crap but this is a much better deal in the way of quality. Their filters are even pretty damn nice and kill K&N in price as well.

Truth be told Id use most of their higher end parts. Dress up stuff (the stuff bought at Pep Boys or Kragen) is another story.

That does look pretty killer..

if you want to do some testing, then make your own cold air setup out of a late 70's/80's air cleaner housing with an extra snorkel riveted to it and some 4" dryer duct to under the front bumper.
i did some back to back to back to back testing at the drag strip with my Nova over a 30 minute period at a street drag night where i was able to make consecutive runs almost as fast as i could get back to the burnout box, and there wasn't any real difference on that car on that night between a stock single snorkel with no ram air, dual snorkel with ram air from under the bumper, 14X3 open element and 14X4 open element.
but in my real world testing, the dual snorkel ram air setup was worth a couple of miles per gallon over the other setups, so that's what i ran most of the time.

Wow I really like that camaro set up. I wish the dual snorkel air cleaner base wasn't so expensive or id be tempted to try and make my own ductwork.

The spectre stuff is actually really high quality. Their dress up stuff is crap but I came across a 4" tight 90 elbow they make that runs for 22 bucks. A lot of LS swaps Ive done uses this very elbow do to tight clearance of the radiator and fan. I can vouch that their silcone couplers are well worth the cash.

When I saw the airboxes at the first Pleasanton show this year, I was impressed with the quality of the products. For turbo guys, the split intakes are just the ticket. Im building a car using their stuff for the induction exclusivley due to price and the fact that it actually is good quality.

http://image.popularhotrodding.com/f/project-cars/spectre-performance-cold-air-intake/24893464/spectre-performance-cold-air-intake.jpg
Stay away from the hose braid and chrome crap but this is a much better deal in the way of quality. Their filters are even pretty damn nice and kill K&N in price as well.

Truth be told Id use most of their higher end parts. Dress up stuff (the stuff bought at Pep Boys or Kragen) is another story.


VERY Nice looking... Thats what I was mentioning previously, regarding "throught the inner fenders"... I currently run a 5" filter, but I'd consider that setup (all depends on the price)...

I actually bought a set of "fabricated" aluminum valvecovers ( shown in this picture also) from Spectre (through Summit)... They look great, and were really inexpensive ( I think like $106 for the pair!)...
Unfortunately for me, they don't clear the "drain" on the factory A/C compressor, so they'll sit on the shelf until I figure what to do...

I've been thinking about doing something centered around this plenum/carb hat for a while
http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG.98599

Mainly for hood clearance. 68 + big block + victor jr + stock hood just doesn't fit well. I'm thinking it will flow better than putting a crazy drop base and 2" air filter. But, it might not...

Ending up with some variation of the following
http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG.771
or
http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG.7739


Btw- pep boys carries some of these pieces if you want to check them out in person. I looked at the plenums, and the quality was actually good.

I have used this one from Spectre for about 3 years.
http://www.spectreperformance.com/#CATALOG.9869
I pull air from metal drier hose (cheap!) through holes in both fender liners.
I run my Edelbrock Pro-Flo with the air intake sensor mounted away from the throttle body and in the air filter housing. On cold winter days the intake air is pretty cool, staying in the 60F's. (I think the intake air temp only goes down to 55F or so on my Pro Flo). On most normal days the temp runs 30F or so lower. On really hot days in traffic it can run 50F or so lower. The metal intake tubes do get hot under hood but the air passes quickly enough to not really heat up the air that much.

Just bought the kit for my 69 Chevelle - - price about killed me .. couldn't even get a $5 dollar discount out of them (ha - tough times I guess).

Just learned that the first run hasn't shipped in from "China" yet. Orders on backorder. Does anyone know of a US based manufacturer?

Just learned that the first run hasn't shipped in from "China" yet. Orders on backorder. Does anyone know of a US based manufacturer?

Damn.

I dont know but this throws this entire set up and idea out the window for my car. I didnt even think about it being made in ROC and to date, frame off restore - I dont have one single chinese made part on my car. I am doing my damndest to keep it that way.

So now looks like moving on to fabbing something up using exhaust tubing, grommets, clamps and a sealed airbox from http://ramairbox.com/ as long as I can verify where its made.

If not then standard induction set up it is.

My dream is to fabricate a snorkel setup that goes over the radiator and pulls air from in front of the radiator. Only take a bit of foam and fiberglass, right? :beers:

One factor that worries me about the Spectre setup is engine movement. You need to accomodate flex anytime you bridge from the moving parts like the engine to the fixed parts like the body (same thing bridging between moveable fixed parts like the body and frame on these cars). Does not look like that is really handled by any of the hard pipe plumbing systems.

That 442 setup a few posts back looked very workable though...

I wonder about optimal carb adapter setups... would seem that the snorkel should come into the side like a "6" rather than into the middle like "-O". And for a dual snorkel I would think opposite sides "69"... would make for some great marketing ;) :beers:

The carb adapter should be shaped somewhat like the K&N venturi insert parts to smooth out the airflow around the corners.

Dropping IAT is *always* a good thing :thumbsup:

My dream is to fabricate a snorkel setup that goes over the radiator and pulls air from in front of the radiator. Only take a bit of foam and fiberglass, right? :beers:



You would have to lean the radiator back to gain clearance up top to run the pick up tubes up and over, right? Or drop the rad or shorter rad and new mounts up top? Tight squeeze with the hood shut and at that point where the rad is you would really have to flatten out the tube. Maybe flat and really wide and then back to oval or would you just go flat and wide the whole way through?

You can do it. I have 110% faith. Fab it up and then post back your pictures with the caption - "Neener, neener, neeeeener!" :D

I am willing to use my car for some experimenting and mock up or hacking. It will be back to my garage in primer for some fitting and tweking, sound deadender, wheel wells, etc in a couple of months. I'll be doing work so maybe will try and get the guys together for a session at my place if even just to meet up, brainstorm, BS and have beers and grub.

My setup someday is going to have a big centered EFI throttle body point forward. Problem is the keep coming out with bigger more expensive and cooler EFI control units.

So the radiator is something like 28" wide across the core. So a full width snorkel of only 1" height gives 28 square inches of breathing area. That is equivalent to about 4 3" tubes. So it really does not take much height there to get the area you need.

Probably the trickiest part is incorporating an air filter. I figure a couple modern panel types mounted at an angle in front of the radiator should do it.

I need to do a bit of measuring and find out how much space is up there :D

:beers: always sounds good :yes:

Sweet plan. Sounds pretty similar to the late model camaro set ups.

Spectre took my order two weeks ago and MFG in China hasn't even started making it yet. The estimate another 90 days. A lot of time to wait for an advertised part. I guess they're making profit and I'm still trying to buy it. Wish there was something that looked just as good and was made in the US. 90 days .. perhaps I can figure it out. The solid peice was nice.

I've been contemplating the inline filters instead of the air boxes. Either way I think its a great idea.

What about an EFI type elbow that would say go on top of a throttle body?
Run your hard pipe or tubing to wherever you want and figure your filter from there? Would be clean and simple:confused:

Here's mine finally in.

38464

38465

Now I really need to detail my engine.

I dig it.

Any screen or anything you plan to put over the inlet in the high beam hole?

I was on the fence but I like it and it fits my semi twisted nostalgic resto mod trans am type build up.

I dig it.

Any screen or anything you plan to put over the inlet in the high beam hole?

I was on the fence but I like it and it fits my semi twisted nostalgic resto mod trans am type build up.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SPE-97891/

I've had a pair of these with the funnels sitting on the shelf for a few years now... eventually I'll get around to fabbing something for them.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SPE-97891/

I've had a pair of these with the funnels sitting on the shelf for a few years now... eventually I'll get around to fabbing something for them.

You da man, D. :thumbsup::beers:

maybe, I am currently looking for a new grill to fab something with mesh there instead. I don't want to use my original one in case I hate it.

I wish someone at GM would perform some research for the advantages of a cold air intake on a carbureated vehicle because so many GM vehicles had them. Was it more of an emissions thing, power, fuel milage?
As everyone knows, COST plays a hug role in the content and options that vehicles come with. Corvettes in the late 1970s had a cool air intake that grabbed the air from on top of the radiator, pick up trucks in the 1980s grabbed air from the passenger wheel well, and someone already mentioned the cutlass and 3rd gen Camaros.

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Interesting subject ...Could it be possible a custom fitting a ram-airbox to functional corvette stinger hood ?

Interesting subject ...Could it be possible a custom fitting a ram-airbox to functional corvette stinger hood ?

I belive the 1967 Corvette L88s grabbed air from the cowl area oppsed to the front scoops of the hood. I think the scoop is too short and most of the air skips over it.

I belive the 1967 Corvette L88s grabbed air from the cowl area oppsed to the front scoops of the hood. I think the scoop is too short and most of the air skips over it.

Hi , i meant something like this one , but with functional openings on the front to " ram the the air" in
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Yenko-Nickey-Baldwin-Steel-Stinger-Hood-NEW-/120718017562#ht_3696wt_865

it could work ?

Look at the air intake on the underside of a P-51 Mustang. Turn it over and you have the scoop that you see on so many drag cars today. They already knew about the boundary layer and moving the air intake away from the body. Not much new that hasn't been thought of before. Some of the WW2 fighters were fitted with NOS as well. I've never seen any evidence over the years that proves or disproves the effectiveness of scoops and cold air induction. In theory it sounds good, but that doesn't always translate into a system that actually works.
http://www-bcf.usc.edu/~nagle/P51arch.html

Hi , i meant something like this one , but with functional openings on the front to " ram the the air" in
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Camaro-Yenko-Nickey-Baldwin-Steel-Stinger-Hood-NEW-/120718017562#ht_3696wt_865

it could work ?

Yea that is what I was refering to. I found a picture that would clarify what I mean when at speed the air flow is too high for most scoops. So the scoop is too low and too far back. I assume below the air flow is the high/low pressure area?

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=windtunnel+car+pictures&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=979&bih=515&tbm=isch&tbnid=I5eNpKqznEaZxM:&imgrefurl=http://wot.motortrend.com/video-find-camaro-zl1-plays-in-the-wind-tunnel-134849.html&docid=9fqSXHJTy3vfjM&imgurl=http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2011/11/Camaro-ZL1-Wind-Tunnel-1-623x331.jpg&w=623&h=331&ei=1SM5T7-RHJH5ggfw7rzoBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=280&vpy=162&dur=73&hovh=164&hovw=308&tx=145&ty=93&sig=104337083055915796276&page=7&tbnh=104&tbnw=195&start=68&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:68

Yea that is what I was refering to. I found a picture that would clarify what I mean when at speed the air flow is too high for most scoops. So the scoop is too low and too far back. I assume below the air flow is the high/low pressure area?

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=windtunnel+car+pictures&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=979&bih=515&tbm=isch&tbnid=I5eNpKqznEaZxM:&imgrefurl=http://wot.motortrend.com/video-find-camaro-zl1-plays-in-the-wind-tunnel-134849.html&docid=9fqSXHJTy3vfjM&imgurl=http://stwot.motortrend.com/files/2011/11/Camaro-ZL1-Wind-Tunnel-1-623x331.jpg&w=623&h=331&ei=1SM5T7-RHJH5ggfw7rzoBQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=280&vpy=162&dur=73&hovh=164&hovw=308&tx=145&ty=93&sig=104337083055915796276&page=7&tbnh=104&tbnw=195&start=68&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:68

Thanks , now i understand what you meant :thumbsup: ... so i guess the best location would be the headlights , or a ' 70 pontiac hood with twin scoops on the front ... i remember seeing a 68 chevelle with twin scoops like that , possible ?

I tried one of the Spectre Low Profile intake setups. Ran the ducts to under the core. Intake scoops I fab'd were not large enough to get significant air flow. Would either need a larger air scoop or set them into the inner headlights.

Actually the cowl induction setup tapped into a high pressure zone quite well. Just open up the kick panel vents to see the potential for air flow here... especially with a window or wind wing cracked to provide someplace for the extra air to go.

Thanks , now i understand what you meant :thumbsup: ... so i guess the best location would be the headlights , or a ' 70 pontiac hood with twin scoops on the front ... i remember seeing a 68 chevelle with twin scoops like that , possible ?
I believe that car was on the cover of a magazine, I believe it was blue.

I tried one of the Spectre Low Profile intake setups. Ran the ducts to under the core. Intake scoops I fab'd were not large enough to get significant air flow. Would either need a larger air scoop or set them into the inner headlights.

I thought of that as well but I thought it would have too many bends and be similar to factory intake on a newer car. I have been looking at performance oriented cars and where they are grabbing fresh air.
TPI Camaros- In front of core support around hood latch
TPI, LT1, LS series corvette- front of the radiator
98+ Camaro- In front/ top of core support- a common mod to modify the air damn for fresh air.
late 80's 1/2 trucks- to the passenger wheel well
Nascar vehicles- to the cowl but they are going 150mph+

I think you didn't see good result for two reasons. 1. too many bends/ too long of a journey to the engine 2. the higher you are off the pavement the cooler the air

I would like to modify the core support and lower the radiator 3 inchs and run oval tubing straight the air cleaner. But it would reqire electric fans, different radiator hoses, hood latch modication. etc.
But a more pracitcal idea would be cut a 3" holes in the core support left of the radiator and run a 3" tube to it. But I won't like the look of it.
SO I think I will do the following
1- run an oval pipe from the air cleaner to the cowl http://www.mandrelbendingsolutions.com/servlet/the-643/4%22--Oval-45*/Detail
2- locate a functional cowl hood and attach the hood base to my cowl hood to take advantage of the holes I made in my hood.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m316/bri2203/my%20chevelle/ebaystuff070.jpg

I will likely lean toward #2 as it would be much cheaper, easier, and I won't risk screwing up my freshly painted hood

Cowl hood does solve it. I have one of these (different source, mine was from Roush) will need an open cowl hood to use. It has a tilt molded in to keep the top level to the car. Would also allow for a carb spacer (will actually need one to clear the HEI. Just need to commit to buying and painting a hood. The one I have is also white carbon fiber, decent quality.

http://www.racecityraceparts.com/servlet/the-7637/Carbon-Fiber-Air-Box/Detail