Does anyone know of any slick looking, yet functional alternatives for the OEM wiper motor mounted on the firewall in '70-72's?

Thanks.

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http://www.detroitspeed.com/images/Electrical/testing/selecta_speed_chevelle.jpg

ANDY: !
When are you going to quit driving that car in the RAIN ! ????
Bob:D

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308171&page=2
Try sending Dave a pm and see if he has any more info

ANDY: !
When are you going to quit driving that car in the RAIN ! ????
Bob:D

Like a boy scout, have to always be prepared! :D

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Thanks. I saw the DSE unit, but to be honest, I'm not sure it's much of an improvement from an appearance point of view. But thanks for posting the link!! :thumbsup:


http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308171&page=2
Try sending Dave a pm and see if he has any more info

I'll do it. Thanks, Mike!! :thumbsup:

I was hoping there'd be some sort of unit that comes with a billet cover, or is otherwise slick looking, amongst all the things made for pt these days. Guess not. :(

Thanks. I saw the DSE unit, but to be honest, I'm not sure it's much of an improvement from an appearance point of view. But thanks for posting the link!! :thumbsup:




I'll do it. Thanks, Mike!! :thumbsup:

I was hoping there'd be some sort of unit that comes with a billet cover, or is otherwise slick looking, amongst all the things made for pt these days. Guess not. :(

you don't think the smaller and more high tech looking later model wiper motor looks slick?
if nothing else, you could make up some sort of a hidden wiper motor like on tri-5's.

you don't think the smaller and more high tech looking later model wiper motor looks slick?
if nothing else, you could make up some sort of a hidden wiper motor like on tri-5's.

The smaller design is definitely an improvement, but the flat black finish doesn't do much for me, appearance wise. A personal taste thing, I guess. And it doesn't really fit the theme of the rest of the eb. Here's a pic of what's there. I like the polished billet look (not chrome, if possible). The oem unit sticks out like a sore thumb, imo.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/medium/LS5_Pictures_-_September_08_0841.jpg

The totally hidden option might have to be the way we go. I don't mind having something there, just would prefer it be functional and have a polished billet cover.

New Port engineering makes a pretty nice setup but its gloss black. A plus is that its quite a bit cheaper than the DSE setup and you can have the option of a 3 speed or 3 speed + 7 intermittent speeds.

This is $209 which is cheaper than a new intermittent wiper motor and module from the dealer at my cost by itself!! (thats what DSE uses + the same switch as this kit)

http://www.newportwipers.com/images/products/IMG_2659.JPG

With a bit of detailing to suit your taste they can look very nice. Beyond that they fit great, never had one issue with the fit of one of their kits and Ive installed a few.

Beyond that Id say build a vaccum thermo former and make an ABS cover for it. Simple as sucking some half melted plastic over the motor to make a smooth cover for it, which btw is what Im gonna do.

The smaller design is definitely an improvement, but the flat black finish doesn't do much for me, appearance wise. A personal taste thing, I guess. And it doesn't really fit the theme of the rest of the eb. Here's a pic of what's there. I like the polished billet look (not chrome, if possible). The oem unit sticks out like a sore thumb, imo.

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/medium/LS5_Pictures_-_September_08_0841.jpg

The totally hidden option might have to be the way we go. I don't mind having something there, just would prefer it be functional and have a polished billet cover.

polish up the stock wiper motor housing to make it match everything else (i don't think i've ever seen one all polished up and shiny) and put some hoses on the washer pump to make it look like the pump actually serves a purpose....

polish up the stock wiper motor housing to make it match everything else (i don't think i've ever seen one all polished up and shiny) and put some hoses on the washer pump to make it look like the pump actually serves a purpose....

Thats actually a pretty cool idea. Ive never thought about pulling the motor apart and doing that but it would work. Want doesnt change is the way its wired and I dunno how to make that look good.

Truthfully the best way is to hide the motor altogether and or make a cover for it that looks good. Im ripping off the ideas of a car that I saw at SEMA and cant totally remember the actual car but the guy built an ABS cover for the wiper motor by vacuum forming it and painted it to match the firewall. It was a Camaro and the builder said he took the motor and built it up with some clay to get the shape he wanted of the cover then thermoformed the motor with the clay to get the final form. It ended up being a very OEM looking piece youd see on a German car nowdays. I was so impressed with the result and how easy it was to do that I will be doing it myself as the results were amazing and didnt require moving the motor which I also considered.

One thing I wish guys would chat more about is finding a better wiper arm. The stock ones suck (or at least the 60's models do). Id like more ideas about finding a modern wiper arm for the early Chevelles as Id like to drive my car through any weather regardless if I plan for it or not.

Food for thought I may start a new thread about it.

BTW Im talking about the ARM not the BLADE

Think that was Todd Greens dark color camaro if I remember the right car. He did a great job on that and think it is a Great Idea to copy.

I don't know which actual product they used on their project but I think it looks good and low profile. You can see it in the link attached. If you find out, let me know because I want one.

http://www.advancedbodyandcolor.com/Rev2/Firewall.htm

Thanks for the responses! :thumbsup:

Does anyone happen to have a pic of Todd Green's Camaro set-up? If not, any idea where I might find one, or how I might get ahold of him?

Thanks again!

New Port engineering makes a pretty nice setup but its gloss black. A plus is that its quite a bit cheaper than the DSE setup and you can have the option of a 3 speed or 3 speed + 7 intermittent speeds.

This is $209 which is cheaper than a new intermittent wiper motor and module from the dealer at my cost by itself!! (thats what DSE uses + the same switch as this kit)

http://www.newportwipers.com/images/products/IMG_2659.JPG

With a bit of detailing to suit your taste they can look very nice. Beyond that they fit great, never had one issue with the fit of one of their kits and Ive installed a few.

Beyond that Id say build a vaccum thermo former and make an ABS cover for it. Simple as sucking some half melted plastic over the motor to make a smooth cover for it, which btw is what Im gonna do.
New Port Engineering lists that as a 68-72 only product. Were you able to make it work on your 64?

New Port Engineering lists that as a 68-72 only product. Were you able to make it work on your 64?

Oh this was aimed at the poster. No I wont be using their setup at all but I can vouch that they build a great product that not only works but FITS out of the box and that is hard to come by nowdays.

I plan on using a late model chevy motor with a custom bracket ALA DSE's kit and make a smooth ABS cover for it. I can grab up a "gently used" motor from one of the recyclers down the street and build an aluminum bracket fairly easily. Thats down the road a bit, I gotta worry about getting the body in shape so I can make the car a roller.

One of the difficulties is the parking cam. If you can figure that out along with a switch you are in business. You almost need to build a small circuit board to go with the switch. I ended up getting a deal on the DSE kit for my 70 at CB10 so I have one now. I can post pics of stuff if anyone needs them.

According to the New Port Website their Chevelle wiper motors are not the concealed type; http://www.newportwipers.com/products.php?year=1968-72+Chevelle+%26+El+Camino+Non-concealed+wipers&make_id=1

Bummer

One of the difficulties is the parking cam. If you can figure that out along with a switch you are in business. You almost need to build a small circuit board to go with the switch. I ended up getting a deal on the DSE kit for my 70 at CB10 so I have one now. I can post pics of stuff if anyone needs them.

That is far from an issue. As long as you understand electrical then youll know theres a park circuit built in. Your idea is not very educated as every wiper motor made by GM since the 50's has had a park circuit... BUILT INTO THE SWITCH. Stick to buying stuff and not telling people what electrical components are necessary for something to function.

That is far from an issue. As long as you understand electrical then youll know theres a park circuit built in. Your idea is not very educated as every wiper motor made by GM since the 50's has had a park circuit... BUILT INTO THE SWITCH. Stick to buying stuff and not telling people what electrical components are necessary for something to function.


Alrighty then. Please help out if you can. I love to be able to do stuff myself and I am smart enough to follow instructions. I am sure there are lots of other people who can benefit from your knowledge.

I thought the park circuit is built into the circuit board on the later model motors that works in combination with the park cam? I know the cam was a issue with getting the wipers to hide away or at least that's what Kyle from DSE said at CB when I bought it from him.

I have the DSE wiper motor on my car and it was definitely keeping up in the heavy rain to Chevellabration. It's nice having the extra speeds and I think it looks much cleaner on the firewall than the stock setup.

That is far from an issue. As long as you understand electrical then youll know theres a park circuit built in. Your idea is not very educated as every wiper motor made by GM since the 50's has had a park circuit... BUILT INTO THE SWITCH. Stick to buying stuff and not telling people what electrical components are necessary for something to function.
Absolutely uncalled for

That is far from an issue. As long as you understand electrical then youll know theres a park circuit built in. Your idea is not very educated as every wiper motor made by GM since the 50's has had a park circuit... BUILT INTO THE SWITCH. Stick to buying stuff and not telling people what electrical components are necessary for something to function.



Absolutely uncalled for


:noway: X2


I thought the park circuit is built into the circuit board on the later model motors that works in combination with the park cam? I know the cam was a issue with getting the wipers to hide away or at least that's what Kyle from DSE said at CB when I bought it from him.


Exactly correct. I found this out the hard way through many hours of R&D on my own 69 with Kyle's help before Kyle offered a kit. I.M.H.O. the DSE kit is worth every penney they are asking for it, works flawlessly, looks awesome and is easy to install. Lots of home work went into the 68 - 72 kits and Kyle nailed it perfectly.

Alrighty then. Please help out if you can. I love to be able to do stuff myself and I am smart enough to follow instructions. I am sure there are lots of other people who can benefit from your knowledge.

First sorry for the post, that was really uncalled for. I think my tone was from things going on at home, I shouldnt have acted like that. Hope you guys understand.

Second, since Im gonna be doing a late model setup on my car Ill make an effort to do it soon and do a write up on it.

The park cam that hits the contact on the board is part of an overall system, that is matched with the switch. The innards of the motor dont need to be messed with and no adapter boards need to be built, its choosing the correct switch. Ill give the Cole Hersee number for the switch used so anyone should be able then its a matter of a few resistors inline to split the intermittent circuits.

The short and skinny is similar to any GM motor since our cars were built. More or less once the motor see the correct signals from the switch, it activate the park cycle and when the park cam touches the contact then it parks. The older motors do the same thing just dont include the intermittent circuits. Youd be suprised to know that the non intermittent motors work almost exactly the same as the old ones save for the washer circuit, where the old washer setup caused the wiper switch to cam over to first speed and the new one uses the washer switch to activate for a set time then turns off automatically.



Again I apologise for my attitude, shouldnt have been brought into the forums I enjoy and act like an a ss hole to you guys. Ill try to make a nice little write up so you can build a DSE like setup on your own.

BTW if you dont need an intermittent and just want the look of the motor then life becomes WAY easier. It requires a simpler switch and no resistors. At that point its a matter of mounting motor and wiring the switch directly.

The big part of the new and old motors is that the new ones use power to switch speeds and the old ones use ground so its a matter of picking the correct switch. The DSE switch uses a multi-position rotary switch with resistors on the intermittent speeds to feed the intermittent circuit of the motor. Where they win vs home built is the knob. Beyond that its just replicating the new switch in a compatible old style switch.

Thanks again for all the responses! :thumbsup:

Lots of good info here. Maybe I need to be more open minded about the DSE unit. Sounds like a winter project may be taking shape. :D

(Thanks for the apology, Matt. We all have bad days now and then.)

Keep 'em coming!

Well. I successfully jinxed the oem wiper motor or switch by starting this thread!! We went to a Father's day car show. About 200 cars and lots of people. No problem on the way in and parked. Start the car to come home. The wiper blades instantly go up all the way and stop! Hadn't touched the switch!!

The car is pretty noisy when it fires and gets alot of looks from anyone within ear shot. Very embarassing. :o :sad: