i have a question regarding my 66 build. i have a big block 467 to install this year. i have power steering and want to get information on setup. i need to purchase the ps brakets and pulleys and noticed some are for only short wp and some for long type. currently i have no wp, pulleys or brakets. i will be using the later common style pump without the separate resivoir. is their an advantage of one water pump style over another. this is a driver. thanks for any direction.

I think the later set up (69 and up) is much better and easier to work with. When I bought my 67 SS396 it had the later set up on it but since it was an original car I converted it back the 66-68 style short water pump/detached resevoir set up....what a pain in the a$$!!!!!!!! The aftermarket pulleys are junk, the alignment of the pulleys was a bear to get right and fitting a belt to the system was a nightmare. If it wasn't an original car I woulda stuck with the later set up! I have heard plenty of stories from people who had the same problems as I did.

Short will give you more room for fan/fans. Alan Groove makes brackets to use short pump and later pump has been several threads.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311035&highlight=alan+grove+ps+brackets

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279265&highlight=alan+grove+ps+brackets

I used short waterpump TRD pulleys(8878 and 8878) and 65-68 brackets+reservoir pump with stock pulley used the reservoir from a 90īs van, the pulleys work great only negative is theres limited adjustment with tall covers+pretty expensive to hunt brackets and the pump.

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Marcus

i have a question regarding my 66 build. i have a big block 467 to install this year. i have power steering and want to get information on setup. i need to purchase the ps brakets and pulleys and noticed some are for only short wp and some for long type. currently i have no wp, pulleys or brakets. i will be using the later common style pump without the separate resivoir. is their an advantage of one water pump style over another. this is a driver. thanks for any direction.

Jim
The split between short/long water pumps was 68-69.
It's actually your choice which way you go, but I REALLY think you will discover that in the long run, everything will be simpler and easier to deal with if you stay with the short pump that was used in 66.
When the switch to the long pump was made in 69, EVERYTHING changed. The alternator moved from the left to the right side, the air cond compressor switched from the right to the left side (which I personally feel was one of the biggest mistakes ever made!!!) and all the brackets are totally different between 68-earlier and 69-later engines. You CAN use aftermarket brackets and mounting hardware, but it is not unusual for installation problems to occur (sometimes, the aftermarket folks just do not do their installation homework). Also, if you go with the long water pump and switch sides with the alternator, your are also going to have to deal with wiring issues and possibly pwr steering plumbing issues.
Just some things to give some thought to if you go with the long water pump. :thumbsup:

thanks for the info. i will use an alan groves bracket and keep the alt. on the passenger side. i ran 3 chevelles in the 80's but do not recall any issues now. one was an original BB and had a SB in it but i remedied it with a 454 and i just made it work.

What brand intake are you planning to use? I have the short pump on my car and am running an Edelbrock intake. The alternator bracket will not work without being modified. The top bolt hole is about 3/4" too low on the intake. I used the top hole and modified the bracket so the bottom hole would work.
James

I have the Allan Grove brackets on my 67. It was the only thing I could find that fit properly with the newer still p/s pump:yes:Very happy with them...just wish they offerd some kind of coating on them.(they come in raw steel) But nicely laser cut and good instructions come with them.

Paul

i was going to run an edelbrock air gap RPM. now i am a little confused some more. as for wiring there is not one wire in the whole car right now and i have no accesories either. except a new 3 core aluminum rad. i am starting from scratch on this one. i want to create a plan and stick with it. the only thing is 467 or 496 rotating assembly which should not affect this area. when you guys say left or right is that from standing in front looking at the car or...? Thanks

With the Allan Grove set up the alts on the driverside. I have a eddy performer rpm intake and it was not an issue.

I have a 66 with a long water pump becuase I wanted to switch to a serpentine belt set up and these pulley setups require a long pump. I decided to use the billet specialties version and it looked very nice and lined up perfect but with the P/S pump (saginaw or banjo style) was on the steering box. I also had to change to twin SPAL 11 inch electric fans due to the distance between the water pump and Radiator.
If you don't care about serpentine belts then stay with the short pump becuase everything fits easier. If you decide on a long pump then you will need to plan on twin fans and a serpentine kit that relocates the P/S up on the driver side (Billet Specialties doesn't make one). I ended up getting a new P/S bracket from March Performance.
I am very happy with how everything turned out on mine she will be on the road again tomorrow after a complete stage IV front and rear suspension upgrade, M21 4 speed (took out the th350), upgraded to quick ratio power steering, and 4 wheel disk brakes. I think I have run into nearly every problem possible and this forum is/was a ton of help.
Good luck with everything hope this helps.

DZ auto pretty much nails it.

To avoid any confusion. 66 had the alternator on the driver side. I installed a Stealth intake on my 66 and it doesnt have the eyelet threaded for the top alternator bracket mount, the eyelet is there but I didnt want to mess with drilling and tapping it. Besides, I like the look of those trick billet mounts that companies like March and Zoops sell so I got a Zoops alternator bracket at a car show with a show special they were having.

Jim
The split between short/long water pumps was 68-69.
It's actually your choice which way you go, but I REALLY think you will discover that in the long run, everything will be simpler and easier to deal with if you stay with the short pump that was used in 66.
When the switch to the long pump was made in 69, EVERYTHING changed. The alternator moved from the left to the right side, the air cond compressor switched from the right to the left side (which I personally feel was one of the biggest mistakes ever made!!!) and all the brackets are totally different between 68-earlier and 69-later engines. You CAN use aftermarket brackets and mounting hardware, but it is not unusual for installation problems to occur (sometimes, the aftermarket folks just do not do their installation homework). Also, if you go with the long water pump and switch sides with the alternator, your are also going to have to deal with wiring issues and possibly pwr steering plumbing issues.
Just some things to give some thought to if you go with the long water pump. :thumbsup:


I read somewhere that the short pump was better performing (engine a little cooler) than the long pump and that the switch in design was to package the all the accessory components closer to the crank pulley to shorten the belts. Ever see/hear anything like the above?

I had the long water pump on my 67 for many years, changed to short style to be more correct. The long style is much easier.