Guys,

I am looking at a set of Hooker Super Comp Headers (2118-1HKR) that a fellow member is selling. However, in discussions with him and Holly and Summit these headers require very specific motor mounts and frame stands. I currently own (not yet installed) the following stands and mounts (numbers are Summit Racing #s)

Motor Mounts - Pioneer part # PIO-A2283
Frame Stands - Goodmark 4032-335-68 left and right

The problem is that the Hooker notes state that these headers require "True Big Block Motor Mounts" & "True Big Block Frame Stands" Come to find out the parts above are listed as BBC, however, the application notes also have them listed as SBC. When talking with Summit they read the notes on the mounts and believe that they are made to fit both SBC and BBC, but are not "True". I am wondering if anyone is currently using these headers on a 70 Chevelle and with what mounts and frame stands.

Does anyone have a comparable recommendation for a set of headers if this application is not doable. I am rather surprised that it has been difficult to find a set of ceramic coated headers that easily fit the 70 Chevelle with a BB.

I gotta tell ya.....with all the bad fit threads I've read about Super Comp headers on this site.....I dont know why anyone would even consider em

I gotta tell ya.....with all the bad fit threads I've read about Super Comp headers on this site.....I dont know why anyone would even consider em

I am surely open to other options.....

I was looking at them because I want ceramic coated and a fellow member had a new set for a good price.

I am surely open to other options.....

I was looking at them because I want ceramic coated and a fellow member had a new set for a good price.



search super comps....I'm sure you'll find tons of reading...the word is the ceramic coating is crappy

search super comps....I'm sure you'll find tons of reading...the word is the ceramic coating is crappyYEP, REAL CRAPPY!!!! I don't think the super comps fit as bad as some say. But the ceramic coating job is worthless. You better really get a great price on them, because you really want to strip them down, and send them out to one of those places like JETHOT in order to get a REAL ceramic coating job done on them. I have them. Trust me on this. :yes:

BTW, Mike, I have the 2 1/8" primary tube Hooker Super Comp headers in my 70 Chevelle with a 632 CID engine, and I didn't have to use any special motormounts. Furthermore, there's no such thing as "Big Block" and "small block" motor mounts for 70 Chevelles. There are only two choices of motor mounts for 1969-1972 Chevelles. One for 307 engines, and the other for "ALL other" engines. The BB and SB motor mount choices are for the pre-69 Chevelles. So I think you're getting wrong information. Below is a link to the Hooker website for those specific headers you're talking about, and it says nothing about special motor mount needs....


http://www.holley.com/2118-1HKR.asp

YEP, REAL CRAPPY!!!! I don't think the super comps fit as bad as some say. But the ceramic coating job is worthless. You better really get a great price on them, because you really want to strip them down, and send them out to one of those places like JETHOT in order to get a REAL ceramic coating job done on them. I have them. Trust me on this. :yes:

BTW, Mike, I have the 2 1/8" primary tube Hooker Super Comp headers in my 70 Chevelle with a 632 CID engine, and I didn't have to use any special motormounts. Furthermore, there's no such thing as "Big Block" and "small block" motor mounts for 70 Chevelles. There are only two choices of motor mounts for 1969-1972 Chevelles. One for 307 engines, and the other for "ALL other" engines. The BB and SB motor mount choices are for the pre-69 Chevelles. So I think you're getting wrong information. Below is a link to the Hooker website for those specific headers you're talking about, and it says nothing about special motor mount needs....

http://www.holley.com/2118-1HKR.asp

Your right the website does not show that. However, the "special" notes that were provided to vendors, such as Summit Racing, include several notes. One of which includes the statement for "true BB ...." The tech from Summit read 2 special notes to me yesterday.

If everyone is saying that the ceramic coated are crappy......what is a good header for the 70 Chevelle with BB? That is all that I am looking for. A good set of headers that fit using 2.5" exhaust.

I put Hooker Super Comp's on my 69 Chevelle SS396. They have the 1 7/8 dia. primary tubes and they fit great alot better than I expected. Stock frame stands and Napa auto parts motor mounts. I did do some dimpling on one of the tubes thats close to the starter to get alittle more clearance. BUT I bought my Hookers painted black and after I put them on and checked to see how well they fit I took them off and sent them to Jethot for coating BECAUSE they coat the inside and the outside of the pipes. These headers do hang down under the car alittle more than I'd like, I'll just have to watch out for speed bumps !!!!!!!!!
Gene

Mike,
For the following, keep in mind that we're talking STOCK, FACTORY Chevelle motor mounts----------------NOT aftermarket stuff!
Here is the most simple, basics for 68-72 Chevelle frame adapters.
There were TWO styles of frame adapters.
There is the 307 frame adapter, which is a TALLER and ever so slightly wider adapter.
All other V8s (327 through 454) used the same adapter which is a slightly LOWER and narrower frame adapter.
WHY, WHY, WHY Chevy did this, no one knows!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But they did. Thus, the frame adapters for a Chevy 350 and a BB (such as 454) are the SAME part!
Consequently, the RUBBER engine mount for a 307 is different from the engine mount used on 350s and 454s, which is slightly THINNER and WIDER to fit down over the taller-wider 307 frame adapter. MOST replacement rubber engine mounts that you will buy at an auto parts store for the 350-454 engines will have an interlock design (if the rubber seperates, the interlock will limit the amount that the engine can tilt over). The 307 replacement rubber mounts won't have this interlock design 'cause 307 engines aren't supposed to be strong enough to break the rubber mount. RIGHT! :D
Did you get all of that? Did you take notes? There will be a test 1st hour Fri morning! :D

I have aftermarket motormounts on MY 70 Chevelle, and they only came in 2 choices just like the OE mounts do..."For 307 engines", and "For ALL others". I'm talking about the Energy Suspension brand Polyurethane motor mounts. That's what I have, and they were fine with my Hooker header super comps. ;) And BTW, my hooker super comps don't habnd low at all. There's a full 6" of ground clearence at the lowest point of the big 3.5" collectors. I do have a tall deck block, but that could've only raised the collectors up off of the ground .400" at the most.

I put Hooker Super Comp's on my 69 Chevelle SS396. They have the 1 7/8 dia. primary tubes and they fit great alot better than I expected. Stock frame stands and Napa auto parts motor mounts. I did do some dimpling on one of the tubes thats close to the starter to get alittle more clearance. BUT I bought my Hookers painted black and after I put them on and checked to see how well they fit I took them off and sent them to Jethot for coating BECAUSE they coat the inside and the outside of the pipes. These headers do hang down under the car alittle more than I'd like, I'll just have to watch out for speed bumps !!!!!!!!!
Gene


What is the part number of the headers that you have? Do they have the 3.5" collector? The 2118-1HKR may hang a little lower and I know that they have the 3.0" collector. I may be convinced now that the 2118-1s are not the best way to go as they are ceramic coated and......

@DZAUTO....got it, ready for the exam. You guys are telling me everything that I have already seen (and known) except the "Hooker Guys" are saying that you need "true bb mounts". Every set that I have looked at were for 350 + or 307 like you said.

So do any of you have recommendations for headers to look into besides Hooker SC? Are the regular SCs a good/better header than others?

I think you're mising the point....the problem is that alot of these aftermarket places and even distributors of OE motor mounts for Chevelles have the listings for the 69-72 Chevelle motor mounts all wrong. the earlierChevelle years DO have BB and SB motor mounts, but the 69-72 Chevelles do NOT, and these guys at Hooker, summit racing and other places do not know that, because they aren't Chevelle guys although they do sell parts for Chevelles. therefore, you cannot go by what they're telling you, and you might run into this misinformation about chevelle motor mounts for the 69-72 years from other headr companies too. it isn't the Hooker headers that's the problem. it's the specific misinformation going around about the 69-72 Chevelle motor mount listings. they're inacurate, ad so people get confused. Including so,e of the "tech" people at the aftermarket companies. They're not Chevelle guys. that's the problem. NOT the Hooker headers! I don't know how else I can explain it to you. Good luck.

Does anyone have a comparable recommendation for a set of headers if this application is not doable. I am rather surprised that it has been difficult to find a set of ceramic coated headers that easily fit the 70 Chevelle with a BB.

Mike,these will fit like a glove: Flowtech 31130FLT

anyone have contacts to get headers coated? thank you Mike

I think you're mising the point....the problem is that alot of these aftermarket places and even distributors of OE motor mounts for Chevelles have the listings for the 69-72 Chevelle motor mounts all wrong. the earlierChevelle years DO have BB and SB motor mounts, but the 69-72 Chevelles do NOT, and these guys at Hooker, summit racing and other places do not know that, because they aren't Chevelle guys although they do sell parts for Chevelles. therefore, you cannot go by what they're telling you, and you might run into this misinformation about chevelle motor mounts for the 69-72 years from other headr companies too. it isn't the Hooker headers that's the problem. it's the specific misinformation going around about the 69-72 Chevelle motor mount listings. they're inacurate, ad so people get confused. Including so,e of the "tech" people at the aftermarket companies. They're not Chevelle guys. that's the problem. NOT the Hooker headers! I don't know how else I can explain it to you. Good luck.

Billy I am not missing the point. I GET the fact that there are BB motor mounts that fit SB & BB. I am SIMPLY pointing out that there was confusion based on the Hooker recommendations to vendors that stated "TRUE BB". That is all. I own a set of fram stands and motor mounts that are across multiple motor styles, including SB, but they are BB. Trust me I GET IT!

anyone have contacts to get headers coated? thank you Mike

I know a guy here in Colorado, I beleive he stated that the coating was good to 1200 degrees. Coating job was about $300 and could be a little more if the headers had to be prepped.

I ordered a set direct from Jet Hot. The coating was really good and the fit was perfect.
The car was a 1971 El Camino with a 454 BB. I believe at that time Jet Hot used Flow Tech Headers. They were coated on the inside also and the price was cheaper than ordering thru a regular parts supplier which I will not name.

My Hooker Super Comps started rusting in less than 2 years. I sent them to JetHot to have them recoated. I could have bought another set for about what the recoating cost but I would be having the same problem 2 years later.
James

My Hooker super comps are part # 2250 HKR. They are painted black with 1.875 dia tubes and 3.50 dia collectors. I had them coated by Jethot after I checked the fit.
Jethot coats the inside of the headers as well as the outside. It cost about $350.00 to coat them but I know the coating will last and coated inside and out there will be less heat under the hood which should help starter life.
I like Hooker Headers , I have had them on alot of cars over the years. I have some Sanderson shorties I took off my Chevelle when I put on the Hookers.
Gene

There are several previous threads that recommend the hooker 2455 header for 70 BB cars.
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2788538#post2788538
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311041&page=3

based on these threads i was planning to us the 2455s pn my 70 BB

now these Flowtech 31130FLT surface as a good fit

Anyone know how the Hooker 2455 compare to the Flowtech 31130FLT for BB fitment in a 70?

FWIW,I have 2" Hooker SC's on my 427 powered Elky,fit great,stock mounts.

There are several previous threads that recommend the hooker 2455 header for 70 BB cars.
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2788538#post2788538
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=311041&page=3

based on these threads i was planning to us the 2455s pn my 70 BB

now these Flowtech 31130FLT surface as a good fit

Anyone know how the Hooker 2455 compare to the Flowtech 31130FLT for BB fitment in a 70?

I found the 2455s in black...do you know if they come in stainless?