This is a continuation of this thread (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302415). Thought it best to get a fresh start on this.

Since I am not an expert on 70’s, I understand from reading the other thread that this situation is relative to the “late” decal. An earlier version for that year was apparently different.

I have tried my best to resize the pictures I have available to similar sizes for comparison purposes without distorting them too much. These pictures are posted at the end of this thread. I have done an initial comparison and here is what I have come up with so far. Anybody that sees other items please jump in and post accordingly.

- Fonts are different, particularly noticeable on the J, R and S.
- Incorrect upper right wording alignment and spacing.
- “FRONT JACK LOCATION” section – incorrect alignment of two lines under heading.
- “REAR JACK LOCATION” section – incorrect alignment of two lines under heading.
- “Upper Left Diagram” – fairly close except for font.
- “Lower Left Diagram” – fairly close except for font.

All the following are regarding the “Lower Right Diagram”. This is the main problem area.

- Location of “WING NUT” wording and reference line.
- Same situation for “BASE”.
- Same situation for “SLEEVE”.
- Same situation for “VALVE”.
- Same situation for “BOLT”.
- Same situation for “WRENCH”.
- “JACK” is on the wrong side.
- No tire cutout around “DOWN” on the original.

Let’s be honest here, any of these subtle differences would only be noticeable by an experienced person who was within a foot of viewing the decal. Having said that, there are a lot of people who want correct items to satisfy their own mind, regardless if other people know or care. That is the type of person anything like this would be for.

Furthermore, what are the realistic prospects of how many would really want this? Also, what about the earlier version which is obviously relative to many 70’s as well? Unless there is a reasonable demand for it then it really isn’t worth the effort. Furthermore, when you consider the R & D involved to accomplish this, the end price would likely be twice that of the current repro ($10 vs $5 for example). Case in point – the “Decklid Posi Decal” I worked on for two months last summer has still not sold enough to cover my costs to produce it. Believe me, I’m not in this for money as it is just a hobby I enjoy tinkering with, but the costs have to come into play at some point. If done, I would envision our decal to be available with peel off glued backing or plain paper like original (you apply the glue).

All this is premature as Shaun (BLT4FUN) and I really don’t know at this point if it can in fact be done. Rick (Rixls6) has sent me lots of pictures of his original, but we don’t know if all the wrinkles will prove to be a hindrance. How perfect can we actually make it – hard to say at this point and will that deter from the interest. Before we dive into this it is important to get some feedback as to the sincere interest in this. Kindly jump in with any comments. Keep in mind (for the mods) this is not intended to be a "for sale" ad, but rather a general discussion as to interest.

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121028037.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121028038.jpg

I sent a clearer pic of the jacking instructions Don.

Wow, I am shocked at the differences inbetween the original and the repro.:eek:

I had thought the second design repro was close, but when placed by the side of the original you can see alot of differences.:yes:

I also thought the early design was close, other than the P/N and date code in the lower right hand corner being black printing in a white box. The original had white printing in the black bar/ stripe at bottom.

Also the repros having a gloss finish on vinyl, insted of paper as original.

Yes Don, I believe $10.00 for one of the would be very, very reasonable!!!:beers:

You might not sale a whole bunch at first, but over time as word gets around that you have them, I bet many would be calling upon you for one.:thumbsup:

Stupid question here, if the original decal could be flatened out in a scaning machine couldn't you get a better image to make a direct copy, so there would be less touch-up work to do???:confused:

The original is still stuck to a trunk lid. If I tried to remove it, the paper would probably tear and ruin any chance of getting a good copy in a scanner.

Well Lance, I know you were excited about this and started that other thread. However, there doesn't appear to be any kind of interest or support to warrant the additional time and effort to get this done. Sorry pal :(

Well Lance, I know you were excited about this and started that other thread. However, there doesn't appear to be any kind of interest or support to warrant the additional time and effort to get this done. Sorry pal :(

:pout:

Don, I know it is a hobby of yours and you like to make these decals. I also understand that you will need a strong demand to make it worth your while. With this said, don't you think that a smaller Chevelle parts vendor, say for instance James Hinshaw would be very interested in a business deal with you, for these decals. I know items like your decals give the smaller restoration businesses a leg up on the larger mainstream parts suppliers.

....or

I think Team Chevelle should have a special spot for fellow restorers here to market the few items that they personally make. I also know of other here that make some very nice and correct items for Chevelles. But most people here will never know about these parts unless someone tells them or the person that makes the part stumbles across the thread of the one that is in need.

....also

I would like to know what the "CONCOURSE CORRECT" restored cars have on them, since the reproduction decal is far from correct (material printed on and the artwork/ printing). Surely they would not use such an incorrect decal, would they:confused:

Finially, as far as a demand for the correct decal goes, you make it and let people know and THEY WILL COME!:yes: The '70 model year as every one here knows, is one of the most commonly talked about and restored year of Chevelle.

Don, I know of three others that I have been talking to about this decal, so I know they are out there. They must be sleeping or on vacation.:D

Lance is right, i would be interested and I know of two others.

I would be interested too.:yes:

Thanks for the vote of confidence Lance, appreciate it.

No, I haven’t approached any retailers about my items nor would I plan to. That’s not where my interests are. Most of my requests are for items that are either not reproduced or the current reproduction is not correct. As a result, there would be no interest for a retailer because they just couldn’t sell enough to make it worth their while. A lot of my stuff is on a unique, individual basis and may never be needed again. Not something a retailer wants to hear. About the only advertising I do is the odd item in the classifieds here on Team Chevelle and Team Camaro. I’m happy just to primarily stay on an individual, specific order basis.

Anyway, you’ve twisted my arm enough to at least make me look at this a little further. I’ll be contacted Shaun about this in the next day or so and send him what I have to see what his thoughts are.

In the meantime a couple of other little subtleties have been noticed.

1) – What was the actual colour of the dark section of Rick’s original decal? Look at this sectional picture below to notice a Black line going vertically down the center of the entire decal. Was the dark section Purple, Brown or Black and was this line done with something that would not be susceptible to fading over time?

2) – Not noticed to this point is the fact three of the corners of the White section are actually slightly rounded.

Anyway, the bottom line is to fully understand what has to be taken into account to really do it right. Maybe there are other small items we haven’t identified yet as well.

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121098329.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121098331.jpg

you’ve twisted my arm enough to at least make me look at this a little further.

:hurray::beers:

Thank you Don:D

Don, here is a thread that shows the same decal. This may or may not help.:thumbsup:

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=281463&highlight=JACKING+INSTRUCTION+DECAL

I recieved this early 70 trunk decal yesterday. It is not even close to orginal. Don I would be willing to send You my decal if You need it for a pattern for a early 70 chevelle for reproduction. Let Me know. Brian

Count me in for 2 of your exact repos.

Don I would be willing to send you my decal if you need it for a pattern for a early 70 chevelle for reproduction.

Brian, I would not want you to send the original decal. However, could you take some high resolution pictures of the original and that repro and email them to me? I'll put your early version in a file and will address it down the road after a conclusion has been made for this late version. My mind can only work on one thing at a time and I wouldn't want to get the two mixed up :wacko:

Anyone care to comment on the colour and line situation I posted above?

NOTE TO SELF - why am I considering working on a 70 decal when I should be fiddling with a 69 decal for my car :confused: :D

Brian, I would not want you to send the original decal. However, could you take some high resolution pictures of the original and that repro and email them to me? I'll put your early version in a file and will address it down the road after a conclusion has been made for this late version. My mind can only work on one thing at a time and I wouldn't want to get the two mixed up :wacko:

Anyone care to comment on the colour and line situation I posted above?

NOTE TO SELF - why am I considering working on a 70 decal when I should be fiddling with a 69 decal for my car :confused: :D

Don,
I will take pictures and send them to You.
Is any one else interested in Don reproducing a early 70 jack instuction? Thanks Brian

Anyone care to comment on the colour and line situation I posted above?



Was it common for some types of black ink printed on paper to loose some pigment and turn purpleish, maybe?

If one more original could be located, I'll bet the line would not be one it. Just thinking here, but maybe a printing error from a roller type of printing press.

Surely somebody around here would know if this is common or not.:thumbsup:

Ok guys, I’ve spent a few hours primarily fiddling with the text font in a certain area. The font used on the original is not at all normal and is not in my library. This font would no doubt be available on-line somewhere, but as I have found in the past they can be very expensive to get due to licensing. The font I’ve used for my sample is actually very close. About the only thing I don’t like are the “quotation marks”. I have no idea how to get the numbers in the circles??? Leave that for the software guru Shaun if we get that far.

The font used on the repro is far from correct. Particularly the C’s, J’s and R’s.

Now let’s talk about line alignment. The repro is all over the place to be honest. Some words are not on the proper line and the alignment on the right side is nowhere near close. For my sample I’ve had to do some “expanding” and/or “shrinking” of lines and/or some words. Here again, my sample may not be exact, but is very close.

I’ve done my best to provide these comparisons in relatively similar sizes. Some resizing needed to be done of the repro picture and Rick’s original picture for this comparison (could be some distortion). Noted below is a PDF file for this comparison. There are a total of three pages with three separate comparisons.

Anyway, just throwing this out there as an initial test. Still not sure if the entire thing can be done. I’ll know more when I get a chance to talk to Shaun.

Comparison View (http://www.angelfire.com/rock/69ss/Comparisons.pdf)

Don,Yours looks alot better then the repo.

If you are making a repo for the early Chevelle SS (12/9) I would be interested in a couple. Also if you make any others for my car I would be interested in them also. Thank you lorne

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd64/hiperf/DSC00148.jpg

Brief update - Sent everything I have to Shaun a few days ago. We'll let him fiddle with this during some of his spare time. We will keep you updated on any successful progress.

Lorne - If we can come up with a decent product on the late version we will likely try the early version as well. I've sent a reminder to Brian (blackmagic) about some high resolution pictures he posted on the first page of this thread. Stay tuned I guess. Not sure what other items you are looking for. Although most of my stuff is relative to 69's, I have done some things for 70's. Go to the "detail decals" section of my website for an overview and you can email me to discuss your needs if you like.

Can you send me your website inf> Thanks lorne

Can you send me your website inf> Thanks lorne

You've got mail Lorne.

Don : You are on the BALL. When you have this project finished, Do not forget,----------- 1970 El Caminos had spare tires and jacks. Dont forget the Truckers. LOL.

P.S.
My 1970 Nomad Sta. Wgn. has a spare and a jack, Remember " Your never finished, Untill the paperwork is done "
Commissiar
Sorgie Borsheloff Sutkoff:confused:

Thought I would provide a status report on this project. This is relative to the "late" version.

Shaun has been doing some of his majic and we essentially have two of the four sections essentially dead on. Just a couple of tweeks needed.

We have a bit of a stumbling block regarding one of the other sections. What I want is a high resolution scan of the current reproduction which was posted a couple of times in that previous thread. The size of that current picture is not sufficient. Is there anybody out there with one of those repro decals sitting on the shelf and has access to a scanner? If not, I will just order one which will delay the proceedings here.

Brian (blackmagic) is mailing me his original decal and repro of the "early" version which we will likely tackle after the "late" version is finalized.

Good to hear Don.
Look forward to your end product.

Don,
I will take pictures and send them to You.
Is any one else interested in Don reproducing a early 70 jack instuction? Thanks Brian


im in for an early one or two

guess I should ask whats the cut off for early and late?

Shaun has been doing some incredible magic on this thing. I am really pleased at where we stand at this point. We may have something finalized in the near future.

Our new product is now complete and it came out very good.

Here are the observations I’ve made regarding the current reproduction of the “late” 70 Jack Decal.

- Font Style of the large text areas is not correct. This includes each individual diagram.
- Font Style of the small text at bottom (part no., date, printed in U.S.A.) is not correct.
- No slight 3D effect in wording “Jacking Instructions”.
- No rounded sections in three specific corners of the White sections.
- Upper right block of text is aligned incorrectly and some words are on the wrong line.
- In the two left side diagrams there are some issues with the lines and arrows.
- The lower right diagram is where most of the issues are. Some words are in the wrong place; some lines and arrows are wrong; cutout of part of the tire should not be there; no wheel section highlighted.

Some of these differences are very noticeable, while others are more subtle. However, it is the little things that make the difference between “correct” and “so-so”. Our product has addressed all these issues. I have essentially provided the input and “eyeball” portions of this project. The real credit needs to go to Shaun (BLT4FN) for his computer expertise. Apparently he has used over 80 different format layers on our product. Thanks again to Rick (Rixls6) for providing the picture of his original.

Feel free to post any comments. However, we do not want to use this Forum as a “for sale ad”. Our product has been placed in the TC Free Classifieds for those interested.

We will likely be taking a look at the “early” 70 Jack Decal as far as feasibility. Stay tuned.

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121393696.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121393698.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/don_lightfoot/image/121393699.jpg

Don, all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!:bow:,:hurray:, and you are the man:thumbsup:

You hit this one out of the ballpark:yes::D:beers:

Footnote - our final product will have the rounded corners like the original.

Footnote - our final product will have the rounded corners like the original.

Don, you are the man.:thumbsup:

Now, it will be very interesting to see how many will be stepping out from the shadows to order one of your very "correct" '70 jacking instruction decals from you, since the commonly availible repros are so far from being correct.:D

I got mine yesterday and all I can say is WOW, you guy's outdid yourself:thumbsup::thumbsup:.

Don ,
I am interested in a late model 70 one. Please pm me.

thanks for the great product

PM sent yesterday morning Brian

I would def Be interrested..........=)

PM sent James.

I for sure want a couple of early versions when you get them knocked out (hopefully!) The late version looks awesome! Great job guys :beers:

Here's the thread (http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306977) on the early version Ben.

Don, I just received my two late production "jacking instruction" decals, and they look great!:hurray:

I can't thank you enough for taking on this project!:thumbsup:

I received mine also Don. :D:thumbsup:
Thanks a bunch.

I received mine also Don. :D:thumbsup:
Thanks a bunch.

Rick, thank you for producing a original for Don Lightfoot to work with!:thumbsup:

I think you deserve some props on this project as well.:beers:

Don, how much for the early 70 decals. If it helps I will buy two. Probably screw one up installing it. Thanks Thomas

Rick, thank you for producing a original for Don Lightfoot to work with!:thumbsup:

I think you deserve some props on this project as well.:beers:

Thanks Lance, appreciate it.:D
Glad to help the hobby in my own small way.

Don, how much for the early 70 decals. If it helps I will buy two. Probably screw one up installing it. Thanks Thomas

You've got mail Thomas.