The question is directed toward anyone who can help. I have purchased the outer tie rod autozone part number #ES2033R, and inner tie rod autozone # ES406L and Tie Rod End sleeve autozone part # ES2004s. My question is the inner tie rod thread seems to be a little big for the Tie Rod End sleeve, do I have the right tie Rod End sleeve? This Tie Rod sleeve I believe is from a 71 chevelle.

Fotgot to mention that the Outer tie Rods seems to fit to loose and the inner to tight.

Sorry, I'm not familiar with Auto Xone's part numbers.

Are these either Moog or TRW parts? Or are they the "discount" brand?

I bought the discount brand once. The tie rod ends had the wrong taper and one of the sleeves had right hand threads on both ends! So I'm not surprised with any fit issues I hear about cheapo suspension parts.

If they're the cheapies, go back and get some quality parts. You'll notice a difference immediately.

If it's loose on one end and tight on the other, is it possible the sleeve needs to be flipped so the loose end gets the tight side, and vice-versa? I thought both sides were the same, but you never know...

If that works, then you have the same problem I referred to earlier with both ends having the same threads.

One end has to have left-hand, and the other, right-hand threads so you can set toe by simply loosening the locking bolt and turning the sleeve.

Thinking on it further, though, wouldn't you tighten up on the loose-end's threads when you tighten the locking bolt? Maybe loosen on the tight end a bit?

I don't think they have the same threads, I got the part number of the vehicles according to FO_FDYFO. Maybe I have the wrong Tie Rod Sleeves? I do have the Outer Tie Rod which is off a 1984 Regal, and the inner Tie Rod from a 1971 chevelle. I am not sure. Maybe someone can tell me what part numbers they used and I can then exchange the old steeve or inner tie rod. Just a thought!

Spawn,

These are the part numbers I got from the Moog Parts Book. Your Outer tie Rod end doesnt look right.

This is what I bought

Inner Tie Rod Moog part #ES406L
Outer Tie Rod Moog part #ES406R
Tie Rod Adjustment Sleeves Moog part #ES2004S

Try this link Rock Auto (http://www.rockauto.com/)


Hope this helps

Here's what I put in mine for my tall spsindle upgrade and they seem to fit just fine:

Tie Rod Ends 77-88 Chevy ES2033RL
Idler Arm K5143
Inner tie rod ES681N
Adjustment sleeve ES2032S
Tie rod end Monte Carlo 78-up ES2033RL

I used the part numbers straight off of Dave Reinecke's site. I'm sure you can find it if you do a search.

Steve I have the same outer Tie Rods, but my inner tie Rods and Tie Rod sleeve is different. What year or your inner Tie Rods and Tie Rod Sleeve from?

These part number are TRW ES2033R or /Moog ES2033RL this is what I have for my Outer Tie Rods.
I got this information from this website disc conversion (http://www.angelfire.com/tx/lonestarclassics/tallspindle.htm)

Here's Dave's 12" Brake page (http://free.hostdepartment.com/d/dreinecke/Chevelle/Html/Brakes.html). He did the conversion with the stock upper arms, but it's the same parts either way.

I think you got the right tie rod ends.

It seems that I have the correct outer Tie Rod, so maybe my tie Rod Sleeve is incorrect. Will the inner Tie Rod of a 1971 chevelle work?

Spawn
Is the thread pitch(size)the same on both tie rods?(use a gauge)are they the same size?and look the same but one has left hand thread and the other has right hand.If they are the same the adjusting sleeve could be just closed more on one end than the other.
-Kid

Tonawandakid
That makes sense, I am pretty sure these are the right parts I have maybe on end needs to be slightly open.

Ok guys this is what I have pulled together from others who have done the tall spindle conversion. First I notice and checked the chevelle Inner Tie Rod (ES406L)has a .688" X 18 threads per inch, compared to part # (ES2033R) Outer Tie Rod, has a .625" X 18 threads per inch, which shows a B body car in this case a 1984 Buick Regal. From this it is obvious to see that the "B" body Outer Tie Rod is smaller than the chevelle 71. My guess is the "B" style is metric as opposed to the 71 chevelle inner Tie Rod which is SAE.

Secondly I have seen a couple of memeber who have made the tall spindle conversion using these part number.

1)Tie Rod Adjustment sleeve # 2032S
Outer Tie Rod # ES2033R
Inner Tie Rod # ES2034R

2)Tie Rod Adjustment sleeve # ES2004
Outer Tie Rod # ES2033R
Inner Tie Rod # ES406L

If you notice on the first combo those number seem to me from "B" style cars both inner and outer Tie Rods. Should there be a different inner Tie Rod that will connect directly to the chevelle using a SAE? Are the tie Rod Adjustment sleeve ( ES2004) suppose to work for the A body inner tie rod and the B body outer Tie Rod?

I honestly wish I could remember the part numbers I used for everything, but I can't.

I had no issues with the inners and outers not fitting the sleeves properly, and I took the information directly from Dave Reinecke's pages. He has several pages on brakes and suspension.

I don't think the parts counter guy would have a problem letting you try a few different parts at the counter to see what fits.

BTW, did you search through the archived articles on disc brake conversions? There are quite a few of them at the link in the pull-down "Hop-To" menu below.

it seems like you are makeing this more difficult then it is. this list is what i used. it works. the buick outers, the 71 chevelle inners and sleeves. one is left handed thread the other is the same thread just right handed. if yours are not you have the wrong parts.
FRONT-
Donor B-body 12”, (78-84),(85-90 stronger & lighter)or(91-96 w/ABS)Rudy (703) 594-3900
-Rotors w/ 5 on 4-3/4” lug pattern (‘88-‘92 Camaro 1LE ebay $140+)I’m not using
-Spindles, backing plates, rotors, ‘90 Caprice 12” -----------------------------------------$ 100
-Bearings, ‘90 Caprice, Timken set 6, set 3 & seals 8871 --------------------------------$ 40
-Control arms, adjustable polepossition (888) 303-8555----------------------------------$ 280
9200M5 (8.25” –10”) w/metric steel cross shaft/ bolt in ball joint plate,
Requested: 5” & 6” sleeves w/ midsized plate 6.5” cross shaft centers/oe pivots
-Control arms, lower stock ’70 Chevelle w/ oval bushing, boxed & galvanized ------$ had
-Polygraphite bushings. (Oval), ’70 Chevelle ----------------------------------------------$ 100
-Outer tie rod ends, ES2033RL ‘84 Buick Regal 2 x $12= ------------------------------------$ 24
-Tie rod sleeves (CORRECTION) Moog ES2032S ‘70 Chevelle 2 x $5 = ------------------------$ 10
-Inner tie rods (CORRECTION) 5/8" thread ‘70 Chevelle (’71 has 11/16 threads) -------------$ had
-Calipers, ‘70 Chevelle, 2 x $31 ---------------------------------------------------------------$ 62
-Pin, caliper ’70 Chevelle, Bendix H5002 2 x $7 -------------------------------------------$ 14
-Bolts, banjo, ’70 Chevelle Napa 82701 2 x $4 ---------------------------------------------$ 8
-Pads, ’70 Chevelle, Auto zone, Performance Friction Z-rated ---------------------------$ 40
-Hardware kit, has clip that holds pads in, Bendix H5500 ’70 Chevelle ----------------$ 2
-Ball joint, Lower, ’90 Caprice, stock, ( I Turned down to 2.012 dia.) 2 x $13 = ------$ 26
-Lug nuts, ’90 Caprice, ½” for caprice rotors only, .79 ea x 5 = ------------------------$ 4
-Hoses ‘69 Camaro, w/ Chevelle drum brake frame brackets Bendix 88520 2 x $21= $ 42

Maybe I am making it more difficult than it is, I am not as experienced as some others when it comes to suspension. Thank you FO_FDYFO for your input!

Also, I have seen parts boxed improperly. So just because the box says it's pn ES2033R, doesn't always mean it is an ES2033R in there.

Just something to consider.

cjlandry
Thanks to you and other members I have the correct parts number. I was using outer Tie rod number #ES2033R which is correct, but the inner tie Rod # ES406L and Tie Rod End sleeve # ES2004 were not correct for my application. Inner Tie Rod (ES406L)has a .688" X 18 threads per inch, compared to part # (ES2033R) Outer Tie Rod, has a .625" X 18 threads per inch, from this info one would have unequal torque and tightness(is this a word?)on the ES2033R when using tie Rod sleeve # ES2004, and it still may never be as tight as should be. Chevelles from 1964-1970 will have smaller threads and therefore will use tie rod end sleeve # ES2032S,(sense this has small threads as well), along with using inner tie Rod ES681N. While one is a right hand thread and the other being left hand the will have congruent diameters therefore making a better, or correct fit. Chevelles from 1971-1972 will use a ES406R Inner tie Rod and, with a different tie rod sleeve, and a out tie Rod sleeve ES427R. This will allow proper diameter match up for both thread sizes.

Originally posted by FO_FDYFO:

-Outer tie rod ends, ‘84 Buick Regal 2 x $12= ---------------------------------------------$ 24
-Tie rod sleeves ‘71 Chevelle 2 x $5 = -------------------------------------------------------$ 10
-Inner tie rods ‘71 Chevelle (’70 has smaller threads) -------------------------------------$ had
If that's what you used, you've got a problem.
This thread made me go and dig around on Federal Mogul's website to check their application listings. Here's what I found:
68-70 A-body
inner tie rod end: ES681N
outer tie rod end: ES333RL
sleeve: ES2032S

71-2 A-body
inner tie rod end: ES406L
outer tie rod end: ES406R
sleeve: ES2004S

73-7 A-body
inner: ES2020RL
outer:ES427R
sleeve: ES2004S

78-88 G-body
inner: ES2034RL
outer: ES2033RL
sleeve:ES2032S

Take a look at the sleeves. The 78-88 G-body uses the same one as the 68-70 A-body, and the 71-2 A-body uses the same one as the 73-7 A-body. If you're really using '71 inners and sleeve, and a G-body outer, you've got the same mismatch that Spawn22 had. The part numbers that he listed at the start of the thread cross to exactly what you listed, which is wrong.
You can either use '71-2 A-body inners and sleeves with '73-7 A-body outers, OR '68-70 A-body inners and sleeves with '78-87 G-body outers.
Better go check your part numbers, eh? Hate for your beauty to come apart at a bad moment! :(

Originally posted by Spawn22:
cjlandry
Thanks to you and other members I have the correct parts number.Cool. I don't know how I helped you come up with it, but I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't know that the later model classic Chevelles shared parts with the early model non-classic Chevelles (73-up). ;) (just kidding)

Kevin: You have brought up a very valid point and this information needs to be kept for everyone to see. Can we get this one put in the Archives so it doesn't get lost?

Kevin thanks for your help, I have the correct parts and feel comfortable with the measurements as well. if its loose don't use it! I hope others who are doing this conversion will make sure (important) that the have the correct tie rod outer, inner and sleeve to prevent disaster. All is well now and I will keep you all updated with the completed conversion.

I will be creating a website as well which will go into detail so others who are first timers, like me, will understand.

Kevin just want to add to this
68-70 A-body
inner tie rod end: ES681N
outer tie rod end: ES333RL
sleeve: ES2032S

71-2 A-body
inner tie rod end: ES406L
outer tie rod end: ES406R
sleeve: ES2004S

73-7 A-body
inner: ES2020RL
outer:ES427R
sleeve: ES2004S

78-88 G-body
inner: ES2034RL
outer: ES2033RL
sleeve:ES2032S

That these part numbers are stock, note that if you are going to either tall spindles or tubular A arms conversion, which requires tall spindles, your outer tie Rod will not be factor and will have to be switch with a "B" style or similar outer tie rod to match the tall spindle.

a thousand appoligies to all. i just measured my tie rods and i have the 5/8". i must of had 70 inners and thought they were 71. so i am using the buick ES2033R outer rod ends and sleeves ES2032S. thank you so much for the correction.

Spawn22:
Yes, those are the stock Moog/TRW part numbers, but for the spindle swap you use a combination of them, as noted at the end of my post. My point was to note the sleeves used, which indicates the thread size. Same sleeve=same threads.
And you don't actually use b-body outers (which is ES2019RL). You use either 73-77 A-body outers, or 78-87 G-body outers, depending on your inners. Either has the right taper for the b-body spindle (which for 73-77 in 11" is the same as the a-body spindle, or the f-body, for that matter.)
Or did I miss your meaning entirely?

Kevin I think we are saying the same thing, I agree with you!

Originally posted by FO_FDYFO:
a thousand appoligies to all. i just measured my tie rods and i have the 5/8". i must of had 70 inners and thought they were 71. so i am using the buick ES2033R outer rod ends and sleeves ES2032S. thank you so much for the correction. No problem. I enjoyed wandering around your page a while back when I first found it and chevelles.com. Looks like you put a lot of effort into your rides. I didn't want to hear about any of them coming apart!

Sooooo what I gave you was correct then right?

Did the pics help?

Steve

Steve those pictures where worth a thousand words, now I have somekind of visual on how the front end should be put together with the tubular a arms.

I am also switching to the 1994 Caprice fast ration steering box, anyone did this conversion yet? I know I have to change the pitman on the new box and replace it with the one off of the chevelle. I will have to change the rag joint shaft on both the outer and inner hook up because of the smaller spline.

Make sure you remove the centerlink from the Pitman first, then it might be easier to remove the pitman from the Chevelle box before removing the box from the car...

And don't forget the hose fitting inserts I gave you... Or you could go with braided hose (Russell makes specific Power steering hose and fittings)...

I might look some more for that rag-joint this weekend (if its not too wet outside I'll be cleaning out my sheds). It bugs me because I never throw anything out...

I put on a fast ratio steering box as well, but I think it's off an 88 Monte Carlo SS. I also got the matching power steering pump to put on. Let me tell you that you can NOT use any old mounts to mount that pump !!!

Add to that fact that I am TRYING to go serpentine without going aftermarket kit ...AND trying to stay with a normal rotation long water pump, and I am having fun playing mix and match! I can't find anyone else who has done this exact setup. Should be fairly unique!

I have a 396 I am using and the Chevy Truck 454 serpentine setup works fine (looks ugly) up to the point I want to use the standard rotation water pump. Then I break the rules and go out on my own.

Steve