OK guys, I want to create a thread which clearly identifies all of the parts that will swap from a 1970 1st Generation Monte Carlo to a 1970 chevelle. I am not just talking about the big stuff which I will start off listing, but I am interested in everything (latches, hinges, sheetmetal, etc...)

Here we go:

Interior:
- Complete Dash Assembly(minus the woodgrain)
- Console (need to replace woodgrain)
- Front Seats (Bucket or bench)
- Rear seat? (never tried, but assume it will fit)
- Visors
- Rear View Mirror
- Steering column and wheel (standard or tilt) (intermediate shaft does not work)
- Door handles and window cranks

Glass:
- Windshield and Stainless Trim
- Rear Window and trim
- Door glass (Assume regulators are the same)
- 1/4 windows DO NOT interchange
- 1/4 window chrome Sashes interchange

Chasis
- Rear End is the same (10 bolt or 12 bolt)
- Rear trailing arms upper and lower
- Brakes (disc or drum)
- Spindles, dust shields, etc..

Body:
- Trunk lid


Fill in the list guys. Every little part! We can compile the complete list at the end.

You're doing this the hard way, truthfully, the list of things that don't fit is way shorter. Sheet metal and fan shroud, pretty much it. Monte is basically a Chevelle with a different suit on.

OK guys, I want to create a thread which clearly identifies all of the parts that will swap from a 1970 1st Generation Monte Carlo to a 1970 chevelle. I am not just talking about the big stuff which I will start off listing, but I am interested in everything (latches, hinges, sheetmetal, etc...)

Here we go:

Interior:
- Complete Dash Assembly(minus the woodgrain)
- Console (need to replace woodgrain)
- Front Seats (Bucket or bench)
- Rear seat? (never tried, but assume it will fit)
- Visors
- Rear View Mirror
- Steering column and wheel (standard or tilt) (intermediate shaft does not work)
- Door handles and window cranks

Glass:
- Windshield and Stainless Trim
- Rear Window and trim
- Door glass (Assume regulators are the same)
- 1/4 windows DO NOT interchange
- 1/4 window chrome Sashes interchange

Chasis
- Rear End is the same (10 bolt or 12 bolt)
- Rear trailing arms upper and lower
- Brakes (disc or drum)
- Spindles, dust shields, etc..

Body:
- Trunk lid


Fill in the list guys. Every little part! We can compile the complete list at the end.

X2 on what is said in the post up above mine. Most things do fit. ESPECIALLY at the small parts level. It is the big stuff that won't interchange.

Inner fenders - same just have extensions on front
Front bumper - 70 matches elcamino, 71,72 matches chevelle
Bumper brackets
Floor pans, trunk pan
Everything bolted to the firewall except those inner fender rear extensions
Roof

You're doing this the hard way, truthfully, the list of things that don't fit is way shorter. Sheet metal and fan shroud, pretty much it. Monte is basically a Chevelle with a different suit on.

Do the hood hinges and hood latch interchange? How about the radiator support and the brackets that the grill bolt to? Any of that the same?

I'm sure the hinges are the same, the front grill tie bar may be the same, not sure, the lower bumper filler may also be the same, the trim below the headlights are the same. The rear armrest/lower interior panels are the same.

Jerry

Radiator Supports are different

But you guys need to quit parting out all the Montes.. I've got a 71 SS Monte.

I can tell you that a 72 Monte bumper wont work a Chevelle as it doesn't have parking lights in it. All the interior will fit(patten will be different), the floor board will work, trunk pan will work, inner fenders are the same(not sure what rear extensions your talking about). contorl arms upper and lower. The Monte is an A-body just like the Chevelle and El Camino's and 69silverstreak hit the nail on the head parting out a Monte real hurts people who love the Monte Carlo's. And if you have a 70 Monte the radiator support for a 71-72 will not work. Has 70 ss monte.

I am actually parting out two monte carlos at this time. A nice Monte Carlo should be left alone. However, a project or rough Monte Carlo is worth more in parts than it is as a complete Monte Carlo. It costs the same to restore a 71 Chevelle as it does to restore a 71 Monte Carlo. in the end the Chevelle is probably worth double the $$$. Don't get me wrong, I actually think the 70-72 Monte Carlos are nice looking cars, but they are turds when it comes to resale or getting any decent money out of them. just about as hard to sell as a 4-door chevelle.


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But you guys need to quit parting out all the Montes..

The Monte is an A-body just like the Chevelle and El Camino's and 69silverstreak hit the nail on the head parting out a Monte real hurts people who love the Monte Carlo's.

x100:yes::yes:

I realize that Montes are not worth anywhere near what Chevelles are, but they are still A-bodies, and look great too. I never see a What's it Worth thread regarding a first gen Monte unless it is about parting it out.:(

I've got a 71 SS Monte.

I have a 71 as well.:D Would love to get my hands on a 70 or 71 SS though.

I used to work with a lady that bought a 71 or 72 Monty ss new. It was black and shiny,buckets console and all power options . Everybody always bugged her to sell it to them ,me included . She was quite attractive as well . This car was driven daily but never ever dirty and she said it would never be sold. I had forgotten about it until reading this post. Makes me wonder if she still has it. I would still love to have it.

The inner fender rear extensions I mentioned are bolted onto the firewall. They measure about 4" long. I am parting a 70 monte also only because it has no title and a rusted roof due to a vinyl top and a sunroof install. I have almost the entire car less the chevelle stuff mentioned. I shed a couple tears when I was unbolting all the chevelle stuff. :D

Jerry

Hi Team,

Hope I can add a little to this info collection. I own 3 First Gen Montes, and have parted several Chevelles (including SS's) as well as Montes, Buicks, Olds' and Pontiacs, to upgrade them and keep them running. That's why I have my 70 Elco, to get a BBC driveline and gages. Back in the early 80's, all of them were common and unwanted... Everyone parted Montes and 'Bu's to build Bitchin' Camaros...

That said, interchange stuff I know about from first hand experience, good and bad, is as follows. I believe this is correct, double check what you are trying to buy/swap, your mileage may vary:

70 MC front bumper is 70 Elco, 71 MC is not 70 Chv, 72 MC is its own animal
70-71-72 MC front bumper brackets should work, but may not be concours, as 71 got bigger parking lights and I think the brackets changed (one of those "bad" things that didn't work)
70-71-72 MC bumper filler (below grille) is 70 Chv-Elco, with 3 holes drilled in it
70 MC front parking light lenses are not 70 Elco, but I think housings are
70-71 MC upper tirebar (behind grille and under hood) is not 70-71-72 Chv/Elco. It could be modded maybe but... 72 MC is even more different..
Hood latch and reinforment is the same, but the grille mounts may differ. I need to look at my 70 and 71 MC 's and compare to my 70 Elco...

70-71-72 MC dashes may work for your 70-71-72 Chv-Elco, if they have the woodgrain that was applied with clips and mastic. One supplier did this, and those often went to SS conversions. Other plants used woodgrain that had pins on the back and therefore required drilling the dash, making it unfit for an SS conversion. Stuff behind the dash is the same as year appropriate.

MC Hood hinges are the same, but MC hood springs may not be (longer heavier hood, so heavier spring), however, my Elco, with a cowl hood, has MC springs to hold it up.

Front and rear chrome window trim is the same.
"A" pillar drip molding is the same, upper molding (above door windows) is different.

MC front inner fenders are the same, when extensions are removed. I believe MC units may work for 68-69 Chv's, as I have a unit from a 69 Chv on my 71 MC.
Battery tray is the same

The A/C lines are longer on an MC (anything that is going from the engine or the suitcase to the core support/condensor), but I think they can be used as is, as they flex to fit. Doesn't work for Chv going onto MC though.

I think the chrome under the head lamps on a 70 MC may be same as a 70 Chv/Elco, but not positive. I will check this sometime as I have some for my 70MC and can compare to my Elco.

Door weather stripping and felts are the same on 2 doors,as are the door panel cores. Quarter felts and panel cores are different.
Inner side window trim (above door/quarter windows pressed on at headliner) is different. Front and back is the same.
I think headliner bows are the same, but have heard headliner cloth is cut differently
Quarter windows are different (I think Chv works for MC tho).
Pretty sure outside door handles and mirrorbases are different.
The inside quarter armrest from a MC will fit a Chv, but is vinyl covered. I had someone tell me I must have upgraded my car with Chv Convertible parts, because standard Coupe armrests were molded plastic? If this is true, another difference, but MC parts would work on a convert maybe?

Much of the inner sheetmetal structure of the body is the same. Rear end of 70-72 MC is different from a 70-72 Chv (trunklid to bumper). But I think the rear end of the body (between trink lid and bumper and under tailight housings) on a 70-71-72 MC is the same as a 68 Chv, just a different trim hole pattern. Some one should check this one. Be a way for 68 Chevelle people to get body repair parts, and for MC people to make convertibles, from ruined 68 'Bu's!

MC engine, dash, and mid harnesses either work or can be easily modded to work for year appropriate Chv's. Front and rear light harnesses don't work.

Pretty much anything mechanical is the same, unless it is affected by the different length chassis and front sheetmetal (fuel lines, emissions lines, brake lines, rad hoses, A/C lines)

Sorry this became soooo looong, but I hope the info helps. If some one wants parts compared, let me know and I'll try to look it up on the cars in my herd.

Best regards, and Merry Christmas,
Tom

I wouldn't call them turds. If you can't sell a monte around here, it must be a real pile. They are not that common. I saw a 70 454 ss 4spd sell for 38,000 here in CT. Granted it was a numbers matching, low mileage documented, protecto plate etc. Just like the b body Impalas and Caprices that got thier big blocks yanked for Velles and Camaros. Not even close to the $ of Camaros and Velles but real hard to come by and still cool as hell!

So the 1970 Monte Carlo hood will NOT interchange with the 72 Chevelle?

A Monte hood is 6' long it's the longest hood chevy put on a car. I know the Monte club i belong to has no information on a ss 4spd being built.

about 18 or so years ago there was a 70 SS454 Monte in the weekly classifieds for $1800.
I was the first to look at it. Had to drive 45 miles. I didn't have the extra $$ at the time, but had to go see. While I was checking it out, two guys came and bought it for $1200. I wish I would have known she would go that low.
The girls boyfriend was in jail and she needed $$ to get him out.
This one of the cars I really regret not buying.

But I just wasn't too excited about the burgandy exterior and tan interior. It did have buckets/console and was an automatic.

The 70-72 Monte Carlos were very good looking cars in their own right. I have a 72 and the ride is incredible and I love the looks of them. The hood hinges are the same, as the Chevelles, the hood latch is also the same, but the Monte Carlo hood striker came with the spring, to pop the hood up, when you pull the latch. The bumpers are all different then the Chevelle, the 70 MC had round parking lights in the bumper, the 71 had oval parking lights in the bumper, and the 72 had the parking lights in the grill.

Willie