: Sorry Dale, I Forgot
Big White Dec 19th, 09, 3:55 PM Dale, you answered this question for me several years ago but I have since forgotten. Box #10 on my 1970 Baltimore broadcast sheet (SCED. NO. DATE) is 78 12-18. The date on the Fisher Body Tag is 12D or the 4th week of December. The 18th falls in the 3rd week of December. How do I rationalize the week difference between the scheduled build date and the Fisher body date?
Also, what is the significance of the number 78 in box 10? My body number in box #8 is BB00076 while my vin sequence number is 30806. Should there be any relationship between any of these numbers?
Thanks
DaleM Dec 19th, 09, 9:22 PM Dale, you answered this question for me several years ago but I have since forgotten. Box #10 on my 1970 Baltimore broadcast sheet (SCED. NO. DATE) is 78 12-18. The date on the Fisher Body Tag is 12D or the 4th week of December. The 18th falls in the 3rd week of December. How do I rationalize the week difference between the scheduled build date and the Fisher body date?
The body date letter has no rational explanation as to whether it was a 'work' week, calendar week, or what. December 18, 1969 was a Thursday so it may have been in the queue but possibly the body wasn't build until the next week.
That's why some plants may have an 'E' week one month yet another plant may have an 'E' week the next and some may never have an 'E' week. December of 69 could easily have 5 calendar work weeks as could March, April, June or July. I don't really have enough samplings for 1970, but Atlanta 04E and Arlington 04E are two. Take another year like 1967 where I have quite a few tag's information and KC had 'E' weeks in August, November & May, Atlanta only September (so far), Fremont September, November, March & June, etc.
Also, what is the significance of the number 78 in box 10? My body number in box #8 is BB00076 while my vin sequence number is 30806. Should there be any relationship between any of these numbers?
Thanks
I believe the #78 is a sequencing number from 01...99 for a given day and it simply rolled over as needed.
There is no relationship between either the body number nor the data processing sequence number and your VIN sequence. In fact, Baltimore put the first 6-digit DP sequence number from block #24 on the trim tag instead of the body number found in block #8.
Big White Dec 20th, 09, 9:58 AM Thanks for helping out an old fart's failing memory!
DaleM Dec 28th, 09, 4:16 PM The movie is already out in the UK and the Japanese version was region free so this should be the same.
What? :confused:
DaveP. Dec 29th, 09, 3:20 AM Also, what is the significance of the number 78 in box 10?
I have the same car. 1970 L34, El Camino. Except Los Angeles built. My Sched # - date is 04 05/04. Here is the bottom line of my trim tag:
05A 698546 040051
Is there any correlation between the leading "04" in the RH set of numbers to the sched # in box 10? Are those same digits on Big White's tag "12"?
Also: Is the Body # in box 8 a body serial number for that plant? Ie, My box 8, and cowl tag BDY# number is BL 04600. Is my El Camino the 4600th Los Angeles built El Camino body? Or is this just an arbitrary number, and not serial?
Thanks as always.
Dave
DaleM Dec 29th, 09, 10:59 AM I have the same car. 1970 L34, El Camino. Except Los Angeles built. My Sched # - date is 04 05/04. Here is the bottom line of my trim tag:
05A 698546 040051
Is there any correlation between the leading "04" in the RH set of numbers to the sched # in box 10? Are those same digits on Big White's tag "12"?
Also: Is the Body # in box 8 a body serial number for that plant? Ie, My box 8, and cowl tag BDY# number is BL 04600. Is my El Camino the 4600th Los Angeles built El Camino body? Or is this just an arbitrary number, and not serial?
Thanks as always.
Dave
I think only Atlanta and Van Nuys were alike in how data on the trim tag were persented as far as numbers from the build sheet. Most plants did put the body number from block 8 on the sheet, Baltimore chose to put the first 6-digit DP number from block 24 there instead. Most people don't know plants did things differently and it's perfectly understandable unless you look at all the plants over time and notice the differences. That and one has to have matching trim tags and build sheets to compare - often people don't want to share copies of their build sheets making it difficult to answer this type of question.
Now, for Van Nuys...
Yes, the first 2 digits of the second 6-digit sequence number match the SCHED NO in block 10.
No they wouldn't be the same as Big White's tag "12" since his "12" is from the date - but it would correlate to the 78 he noted about his sheet. But again, this data isn't on the Baltimore tag.
The "body number" on the Van Nuys tags is from the Body Number block on the build sheet but from what I have noticed, there is no logical explanation for the number, ie. it's not sequential either for 13680 bodies or any other body style. I have 4 13680 body tags from Van Nuys for 1970 and they range as such:
Date 11C - #05658
Date 12A - #06299
Date 01D - #01101
Date 7A - #07197
I've found the same pattern (that is no pattern) on 13637 body numbers as well.
I'm sure there's a logic in the numbering system, it's just not sequential.
h8tulooze1 Dec 29th, 09, 12:19 PM This is from my 70' SS El Camino
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DaveP. Dec 29th, 09, 3:11 PM No they wouldn't be the same as Big White's tag "12" since his "12" is from the date - but it would correlate to the 78 he noted about his sheet.
Duh. It was late. Sorry you had to clarify that, but hey, I did notice the correlation.
I have 4 13680 body tags from Van Nuys for 1970 and they range as such:
Date 11C - #05658
Date 12A - #06299
Date 01D - #01101
Date 02A - #01455 (from above post build sheet)
Date 05A - #04600 (from my build sheet)
Date 7A - #07197
There. I added [two] to your database.
And after the addition[s] I see a 'pattern': The number increments as the calendar year progresses. It is lowest at the beginning of the year, and highest at the end. About 1,100-1,200 units per month. Sure looks like it started at #0000 on Jan 01.
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Thanks again, Dale
Dave
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