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NeoTech
Nov 9th, 09, 6:32 PM
I went and bought one of these intake manifold.. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7520/

Coz i had one of these kits lying around
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HL...S/?image=large (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-950-21S/?image=large)

I got myself
1 of these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-534-195/
and one of these.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-534-173/

Well. everything fine i thought.. the manifolds saids Square bore and i got on good authority the throttle bodies are Holley 4150 Square bore.

But when i got the stuff home i tried to fit one of the throttlebodies onto the manifold and well.. lets say it just didnt fit as it was suppose to.. the bolt pattern were way to narrow.

So i would need an adapter plate i guess.. But which kind?! anybody have any idea?! at least 2" high so that i clear the distributor cap. ;D
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VinceS427bb
Nov 9th, 09, 10:13 PM
I went and bought one of these intake manifold.. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-7520/

Coz i had one of these kits lying around
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HL...S/?image=large (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-950-21S/?image=large)

I got myself
1 of these: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-534-195/
and one of these.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HLY-534-173/

Well. everything fine i thought.. the manifolds saids Square bore and i got on good authority the throttle bodies are Holley 4150 Square bore.

But when i got the stuff home i tried to fit one of the throttlebodies onto the manifold and well.. lets say it just didnt fit as it was suppose to.. the bolt pattern were way to narrow.

So i would need an adapter plate i guess.. But which kind?! anybody have any idea?! at least 2" high so that i clear the distributor cap. ;D

the manifold is for edelbrock/carter-AFB carbs,
you would need a custom adapter that would adapt the holley sqaure bore flange to the AFB-pattern and it would also need to offset the carbs fore and aft to allow enough clearance between them.
you could screw together some adapters that bolt a holley to an afb intake and bolt some hi-rise holley spacers to that and possibly get there from here..........:o

NeoTech
Nov 10th, 09, 4:05 AM
So, i wasnt totally off in my mind then... I will have to CAD an adapter plate and have it manufactured.. Cheap. ;)

Anyone have an idea on a different manifold that dont build height that would take 2 holleys.. ?! I will consider buying a different intake...

Jebchevelle
Nov 10th, 09, 5:23 AM
So, i wasnt totally off in my mind then... I will have to CAD an adapter plate and have it manufactured.. Cheap. ;)

Anyone have an idea on a different manifold that dont build height that would take 2 holleys.. ?! I will consider buying a different intake...
Yep. here is a few I found. I have never run them tho so to cant tell you how well they work.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BBC-CROSS-RAM-2X4-INTAKE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem1e590a724aQQitem Z130342875722QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fA ccessories

there is the edelbrock C-66 but I think it has the same bolt pattern your air gap has but it is a low rise intake.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Very-Nice-Edelbrock-C-66-BBC-Oval-Port-2x4-Intake-5420_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem29fefddd0cQQitemZ1 80371709196QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcc essories

THE c-66 DOES COME IN SQUARE PORT.

Elcoman
Nov 10th, 09, 3:35 PM
I am responding to this thread, because I want to see pics of the end result.:thumbsup:

NeoTech
Nov 10th, 09, 8:13 PM
Well, pictures will come up. I have now made a cad drawing of an adapter plate that will adapt the two tbi tb's in a linear fashion so an ordinary progressive linkage could be used.

Some mods to the TB's been done, the pressure regulator on one of them and the idle sensor on the other one have been removed and blocked off, gas is then rerouted through formerly plugged holes through pipes between the TB's. some sesnor thingy is then removed too on one of them and so is the Alpha-N sensor.

So the setup will run sensors on only one of the bodies and the other body supplies the fuel with its regulator to both of them.

If someone is interested a CAD file of the intake adapter could be e-mailed..

daveseitz
Nov 14th, 09, 8:52 AM
Well, pictures will come up. I have now made a cad drawing of an adapter plate that will adapt the two tbi tb's in a linear fashion so an ordinary progressive linkage could be used.

If someone is interested a CAD file of the intake adapter could be e-mailed..

I would take a copy if your offering, something else to build and have in the arsenol for future works. Even the G codes of the program I could do a dry run on the machine.

NeoTech
Nov 14th, 09, 9:41 AM
Sure, what format do you want it in? I run Solidworks 2009 as of now. I have made a first plate by "hand" in a thin alu sheet (1mm) and will transfer it to a proper Cad file so that it can be milled out of 10mm aluminium instead.

PM, me with a e-mail adress and the format you prefer. We run an older HAAS 7000 5 axis machine so would the g-codes work for ya?!

daveseitz
Nov 14th, 09, 12:30 PM
Use Solid 09 at work and have a small Hass TM2 that I could run it in then.
seitzdavid@hotmail.com

NeoTech
Nov 26th, 09, 4:28 AM
After some work been done, some parts had been testeed and so on and so forth. The simplest solution and the only way to get enough plenum space was to use 2x2" spacer adapters.

And well, you can find picture of the whole travesty over here.

http://www.roughedge.se/blogg/2009/11/26/ah-sa-var-insuget-ihoppillat-o-nu-ser-vi-hur-allt-passar/

Tom Mobley
Nov 26th, 09, 11:20 AM
Wow, I didn't realize you were doing this in Sweden. That takes guts. and money.

looks pretty good. those adapters lift the TB's straight up, doesn't give any more room between them? I thought you needed to move them further apart.

NeoTech
Nov 26th, 09, 11:38 AM
Thats correct, the TB's are lifted straight up.. I came around the clearance problem by removing and capping of the fuel regulator on the secondary body and are manufacturing "bypass" tubing to into the service holes that are usualy plugged off. On the Primary body i remove the idling sensor and cap that off by lathe a "plug" that goes into it and manufacturing a small plate that fixes the hole thing so it can breathe through the whole that are usually closed..

In this way i can use a "straight linkage" and the driver box from holley and a wire that allows me to plug in both injector pods to the driver box.

And yes.. This engine build has cost me a pretty penny... Importing almost everything from the states. Mike Lewis has helped me compose a crank kit and i got hold of a pair of new Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and an old 454 engine block to build on. Custom pistons and SCAT crank and connecting rods. And all the other "pieces" around this build are imported this summer.

daveseitz
Nov 26th, 09, 12:05 PM
After shipping overseas parts this week I really feel sorry for you. We cry about our shipping costs and sending a $15 part to France for a TC guy cost $45 it only weighed 8lbs. Now you say that Mkike has been shipping the heavy internal parts to you. Ouch I really feel sorry for your pocket book, and admire your dedication to the build.

The build does look beautiful I just has a hard time reading things in Swedish, are the CAD files in Sweeeeeedish as well. A lot of Swedes here in Minnesota and the jokes fly around all the time.

NeoTech
Nov 26th, 09, 12:22 PM
I could probably translate most of the cad files i made.. I didnt end up using them though because i was able to fit the two 2" spacers there instead. =)

And yes.. Shipping a 50lbs crate and a 70lbs crank will end up cost you around ~1000usd to sweden.. Add Taxes and tolls onto that and you are around ~2000usd in just "costs" of getting the parts overseas..

But we should add, that buying the parts in swedens costs about 5 times.. example, a set of pistons runned me about 365 USD custom made for my heads coming from Mike. Those would had cost me about 1600 usd + machine time in sweden. And machine time here is around 100-150 usd an hour...

Tom Mobley
Nov 26th, 09, 1:29 PM
ouch.

Elcoman
Jan 6th, 10, 5:34 PM
Update?

NeoTech
Jan 7th, 10, 5:32 AM
No cant really tell you guys anything at this point.. i have -20-36 Celsius outside. My garage has around -16-20.. i dont go out there.. i will probably stick to all the metal things. So until the spring comes around i will probably not work with the car at all. :|

Elcoman
Jan 7th, 10, 12:53 PM
No cant really tell you guys anything at this point.. i have -20-36 Celsius outside. My garage has around -16-20.. i dont go out there.. i will probably stick to all the metal things. So until the spring comes around i will probably not work with the car at all. :|

It has been cold here too, it is only 60 degrees and sunny.:D