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: Tightening steering


mjdwyer23
Sep 14th, 09, 8:54 AM
Hi Folks-
My 70 has new steering components as per the previous owner. The steering seems very loose, that is, the wheel turns very easily with almost no effort. Is there a way to tighten this up? Thanks!

Augustboy2009
Sep 14th, 09, 9:20 AM
YES! Get a Jeep Grand Cherokee Steering Box. 1992 to 1998 I belive? Make sure it's out of a Grand Cherokee and not a Cherokee. The steering boxes are indentical. Just put your Chevelle steering arm on the box and it bolts right in! Lee manufacturing sells these little spacers that go into the holes where the power steering lines thread into the steering box.

YOU WILL BE GOOD TO GO! No more loose steering. The is a great improvement!

Do search on this site and tons of info will come up:thumbsup:

mjdwyer23
Sep 14th, 09, 9:22 AM
Nice that's what I'm talkin about! Do you have a part number?

Augustboy2009
Sep 14th, 09, 9:27 AM
I don't recall the part number. Do a search and you should be able to find a part number. Could probably look on auto zone website to get an actual part number. You could get a rebuilt one from auto zone and you could swap your chevelle box for a core.

I found my grand cherokee box off of craigslist. A guy was parting out his Grand Cherokee. It cost me $40 for the box. Then like $25 for the Lee Manufacturing spacers.

davis95
Jan 16th, 10, 2:19 PM
YES! Get a Jeep Grand Cherokee Steering Box. 1992 to 1998 I belive? Make sure it's out of a Grand Cherokee and not a Cherokee. The steering boxes are indentical. Just put your Chevelle steering arm on the box and it bolts right in! Lee manufacturing sells these little spacers that go into the holes where the power steering lines thread into the steering box.

YOU WILL BE GOOD TO GO! No more loose steering. The is a great improvement!

Do search on this site and tons of info will come up:thumbsup:

Would this also swap out with my 66 manual steering box?

novaderrik
Jan 16th, 10, 4:40 PM
one easy option to kind of firm up old car PS systems is to simply install a smaller steering wheel- it won't make it handle like a new Corvette, but it will add a little bit of effort and reduce the distance you have to move your hands to make the same turns. alignment also plays into how the steering feels when going down the road, as well as the tires that are on the car. modern wider and flatter low profile tires will give a different feel than older skinny and tall tires will.

YES! Get a Jeep Grand Cherokee Steering Box. 1992 to 1998 I belive? Make sure it's out of a Grand Cherokee and not a Cherokee. The steering boxes are indentical. Just put your Chevelle steering arm on the box and it bolts right in! Lee manufacturing sells these little spacers that go into the holes where the power steering lines thread into the steering box.

YOU WILL BE GOOD TO GO! No more loose steering. The is a great improvement!

Do search on this site and tons of info will come up:thumbsup:

you also need a different ragjoint- available from Dorman in their "Help!" line at any decent auto parts store. part number 31011 (https://www.dormanproducts.com/cgi-bin/vm91corp30r/item-dtl.w?sid=lbvhGadcabaOjOnj013100572604382065&item=31011&icrid=0x00a4c8c4&clt=hwrap1&vsrch_str=&vsrch_brand=&vsrch_cat=&st_amount=&end_amount=&start=&vfrom=&prev=&vnext=&category_list=:0). i had to switch the bults side for side on the one i used on my 74 Monte Carlo, because the steering wheel wound up upside down as it came. i don't know if they made mine wrong or if it was supposed to be that way, but it did provide me with about 5 minutes of "wtf?" thinking when i put it together the first time and the steering wheel was upside down. it took me about 5 minutes to take the ragjoint apart, flip it around, and reinstall it again.
for the PS lines, just use a pressure line from an '80ish Camaro, a rear fitting for the back of the pump from the first 80's GM rwd car or truck you see in the junkyard with a PS pump laying loose in the engine bay, and a PS return fitting for the steering box from either the same car or truck you steal the PS pump fitting from or from a different vehicle that routes the return line around the box in a way that looks better.
just swap on your steering arm and the parts i just mentioned, and it bolts right in using the stock mounting bolts.
you can also substitute an '80's IROC Camaro or Monte SS/turbocharged Buick steering box, as well.

Would this also swap out with my 66 manual steering box?
yes, but you will need a steering arm for a 66 with power steering, a pump and all the brackets to mount to the engine, and either the parts i listed above or the parts that other people have used to do the swap.

JPS
Jan 16th, 10, 5:05 PM
Not to derail this thread, but here's part of my reply on another ps steering issue today. It's how the PS rebuild came out on 70 EC.

In addidtion to the Lee box upgrade, I went with a replacement double D shaft & tube from Borgeson, but used their vibration reducing u joint instead of a flex coupling and a standard double-D tube/shaft to a 1"x48 spline u-joint to column at the firewall, thereby eliminating the need to re-build the GM "shaft Pot coupling assembly". I think the GM "shaft Pot coupling assembly" is as much a contributor to steering column play as any part in the original assy.
Another plus of the Borgeson parts I used is that phasing of wheels, column and steering wheel is easier due to the splined connections at both ends. Lower column r&r will also be easier whenever necessary in the future as well.

BTW: the Lee blueprinted Sag 700 12:1 is all its supposed to be; no surprises there. It replaced the stock Sag [15-17:1?] and with a new pump [orig 70 design] all coupled with new lower column assembly, I estimate less than 5 degrees of play between lt/rt rotation. Just a hair more vibration or 'road feel' comes thru vs. using a flex coupler.
A minor issue is the that I can hear the pump work a little more than before at greater than [estimate] 15 degrees lt or rt [box angle, not steering wheel]. I think that may have to do with the pumps valving. The steering is very firm; it takes a fair amount of effort to rotate the wheel but I prefer this to the 'over power assist' with the original Sag & pump. 1st thought is its the amount of pressure output by the pump, but I'll research later.