: flipping vettes?
70ssclone Sep 13th, 09, 5:23 PM well guys my friend who is big into chevy muscle and vettes wants to start buying and selling vettes that have damage such as bad seams, needs new paint, light wrecks. my question is what are the years to look for ? and what is there to consider? i do body and paint work for a living and he does some mechanical.
quikss Sep 13th, 09, 5:43 PM Quite honestly I think its a money losing venture, but its your game to play. Vettes are not like muscle cars, they are sought after by people that generally are not looking for something that was "flipped" or half assed together in order to make quick money on it. You might think you arent going to half ass them, but you will have to to break even or make a few hundred dollars on them.
Jeff
Robinls5 Sep 13th, 09, 6:43 PM Buy a Corvette car trader book.......... You will see a gillion Corvettes for sale............ And NO buyers ??? Think about this real good befor getting stuck with a car you cant give-away.
Bob:noway:
cheveslakr Sep 13th, 09, 7:35 PM Buy a Corvette car trader book.......... You will see a gillion Corvettes for sale............ And NO buyers ??? Think about this real good befor getting stuck with a car you cant give-away.
Bob:noway:
So true! I bought an 82 collector's edition many years ago, got sick of it very quickly and tried to sell it...:noway:NOT BLOODY LIKELY:noway:. It took a few years of advertising, consignment lots, etc. and finely I just bent over and closed my eyes. Probably lost about $4k in the deal.
Jerry
PaPa Johns 77 Sep 13th, 09, 7:46 PM Lots of used ones on lots around here. I think most on consignment.
Car threads just aren't the same without Gary.:noway:
Chris R Sep 13th, 09, 7:57 PM If he doesnt know how to patch and work with fiberglass then its not worth messing with IMO.
langss Sep 13th, 09, 8:02 PM I had a 74 Corvette.I probably put $5000 in it, fixing everything that failed,and ended up selling it for what I paid for it in the first place.Flipping cars is like flipping houses. If you can afford to sit on it until the right buyer comes along fine, but if your looking to make the next house payment/child support/whatever,don't get involved.Just my.02.
oman Sep 13th, 09, 8:25 PM well guys my friend who is big into chevy muscle and vettes wants to start buying and selling vettes that have damage such as bad seams, needs new paint, light wrecks. my question is what are the years to look for ? and what is there to consider? i do body and paint work for a living and he does some mechanical.
Hard core Corvette guys are the most anal retentive A-holes out there. Most likely the worst are the C2 guys. NOTHING is too good for their Corvette once they buy it and NO Corvette is good enough for their wet dream vision of the investment car they want before they buy it.
Why is this important? It is important because they are impossible to please. Every fleck of paint has to be prefect, every wire has to be date coded, everything between the wheels has a set of standards as long as John Holmes johnsen. Each part on the car must be scrutinized and authenticated.
If your friend thinks he can make money in this business GOOD LUCK. I have a 66 that I want to sell and I DREAD DEALING WITH ANYONE WHO IS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE OF THESE CARS. Just to clarify how these guys think. Some dolt wanted to have his expert Corvette inspector fly into Atlanta to evaluate my car. Mr. Dolt wanted ME to pay for the ticket. Coach was OK: no need for FIRST CLASS thank you!!!!! If Mr. Dolt did not buy the car too bad for me, no refund of the ticket cost. If he did buy the car the ticket cost was "A cost of doing business that I had to expect to carry". These guys are on drugs!!!!!! As with the guy who lost about $4k on a car: I am ready to do almost anything including a trade to avoid dealing with a Hard Core Corvette buyer types.
Your buddy has a BAD IDEA IMHO.
robtco99 Sep 13th, 09, 10:08 PM It's hard to sell any 74-96 corvettes for any reasonable amount of money IMO unless it is something really special. I have a 76 vette project that I got dirt cheap and am now realizing after it's done I'd still have to sell it dirt cheap just to get rid of it.... so whats the point?
The days of getting pre 72's really cheap are few and far between. You can flip anything if you can get it cheap enough and can do the work yourself, but like said earlier most corvette buyers are anal and if it's not numbers matching and perfect it's worth nothing to them.
Hot66ss Sep 13th, 09, 11:25 PM Hard core Corvette guys are the most anal retentive A-holes out there. Most likely the worst are the C2 guys. NOTHING is too good for their Corvette once they buy it and NO Corvette is good enough for their wet dream vision of the investment car they want before they buy it.
Why is this important? It is important because they are impossible to please. Every fleck of paint has to be prefect, every wire has to be date coded, everything between the wheels has a set of standards as long as John Holmes johnsen. Each part on the car must be scrutinized and authenticated.
If your friend thinks he can make money in this business GOOD LUCK. I have a 66 that I want to sell and I DREAD DEALING WITH ANYONE WHO IS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE OF THESE CARS. Just to clarify how these guys think. Some dolt wanted to have his expert Corvette inspector fly into Atlanta to evaluate my car. Mr. Dolt wanted ME to pay for the ticket. Coach was OK: no need for FIRST CLASS thank you!!!!! If Mr. Dolt did not buy the car too bad for me, no refund of the ticket cost. If he did buy the car the ticket cost was "A cost of doing business that I had to expect to carry". These guys are on drugs!!!!!! As with the guy who lost about $4k on a car: I am ready to do almost anything including a trade to avoid dealing with a Hard Core Corvette buyer types.
Your buddy has a BAD IDEA IMHO.
PM me or email me at chvellss@aol.com with details and pics if you got them. I get calls every once in a while on vets especially 2nd gens
SS_Sean Sep 14th, 09, 1:14 AM Used corvettes are a dime a dozen. Plenty of them and no buyers...I'd go back to the drawing board on your money making ideas...
Bunz-T Sep 14th, 09, 6:13 AM If you take a look around trying to flip any of them at a profit now is tough unless you outright steal it. The good ones are not changing hands unless they are at good money and too many of the others require more money than you thought to get 'em sold. If you just wait around and steal one occassionally you might operate at break even or a little better. Otherwise the odds are against you with every kind and Vettes are even tougher.
70ssclone Sep 14th, 09, 6:40 PM i appreciate your guys input alot so im assuming if its a post 72 car the only way to make money is if its something golden for the price of silver like a 91 zr1 or something of the sort i understand the way you say vette guys are which is why i never had interest in them most likely because the owners are old hags or yuppies that hang out with other old hags or yuppies in there own club not because of the cars themselves.
chevelledude71 Sep 14th, 09, 7:23 PM I don't understand why these guys are like you say. I like Corvette's, they are my favorite cars that I can't afford. If and when I'm in the spot to buy one, I sure won't have my nose up in the air and when it rains I will drown.
Some of the 'Vette owners I've talked to (car shows, rod runs, club meetings) are all really cool people.
RyanNilcea05 Sep 14th, 09, 7:26 PM I don't understand why these guys are like you say. I like Corvette's, they are my favorite cars that I can't afford. If and when I'm in the spot to buy one, I sure won't have my nose up in the air and when it rains I will drown.
Some of the 'Vette owners I've talked to (car shows, rod runs, club meetings) are all really cool people.
Good one! l:)
quikss Sep 14th, 09, 7:49 PM I don't understand why these guys are like you say. I like Corvette's, they are my favorite cars that I can't afford. If and when I'm in the spot to buy one, I sure won't have my nose up in the air and when it rains I will drown.
Some of the 'Vette owners I've talked to (car shows, rod runs, club meetings) are all really cool people.
The perfect person to ask about this is Tom Parsons (DZauto).
Yes, there certainly are some pretty darn cool vette owners, but the very large majority you will find are real snobbish pricks. And it is very true that vette guys are extremely numbers oriented, right down to every single nut and bolt. If you arent going to do them exactly right, dont expect them to bring very good money at all
Jeff
Bart42 Sep 14th, 09, 7:50 PM Hard core Corvette guys are the most anal retentive A-holes out there. Most likely the worst are the C2 guys. NOTHING is too good for their Corvette once they buy it and NO Corvette is good enough for their wet dream vision of the investment car they want before they buy it.
Why is this important? It is important because they are impossible to please. Every fleck of paint has to be prefect, every wire has to be date coded, everything between the wheels has a set of standards as long as John Holmes johnsen. Each part on the car must be scrutinized and authenticated.
If your friend thinks he can make money in this business GOOD LUCK. I have a 66 that I want to sell and I DREAD DEALING WITH ANYONE WHO IS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE OF THESE CARS. Just to clarify how these guys think. Some dolt wanted to have his expert Corvette inspector fly into Atlanta to evaluate my car. Mr. Dolt wanted ME to pay for the ticket. Coach was OK: no need for FIRST CLASS thank you!!!!! If Mr. Dolt did not buy the car too bad for me, no refund of the ticket cost. If he did buy the car the ticket cost was "A cost of doing business that I had to expect to carry". These guys are on drugs!!!!!! As with the guy who lost about $4k on a car: I am ready to do almost anything including a trade to avoid dealing with a Hard Core Corvette buyer types.
Your buddy has a BAD IDEA IMHO.
Wow! I am glad I don't have a Corvette! Better keep a Chevelle!
PaPa Johns 77 Sep 14th, 09, 8:19 PM The perfect person to ask about this is Tom Parsons (DZauto).
Yes, there certainly are some pretty darn cool vette owners, but the very large majority you will find are real snobbish pricks. And it is very true that vette guys are extremely numbers oriented, right down to every single nut and bolt. If you arent going to do them exactly right, dont expect them to bring very good money at all
Jeff
That is what one of my friends who is a Corvette owner says too! He is outcast among his own kind! (Corvette Owners)
He has a real Clean Low mileage 76. Makes all the local Car shows but stopped going to the Corvette Shows. Said that the Newer Corvette Owners have took it over and ignore everyone else unles they have a pristine almost never been driven Classic Years Vette with every nut bolt and clamp factory original!
Said the fist guy that ever walked up to his 76 at an all Corvette show Took a look under the hood, looked at him and said "non original air cleaner" and walked away without another word! Now that car is a beautiful example of a 76.
He called the guy he bought it off of. (one owner car) and the guy said that the original aircleaner was smashed under a lift at the dealer when the car was 6 months old. He said the replacement they ordered was exactly like the original but had no stickers and he didn't ever see a reason to worry about it.
Guess he never ever went to a Corvette show with it!:D
chevelledude71 Sep 14th, 09, 8:24 PM Well...I hope to break that mold one day and in the near future.
oman Sep 14th, 09, 8:27 PM I don't understand why these guys are like you say. I like Corvette's, they are my favorite cars that I can't afford. If and when I'm in the spot to buy one, I sure won't have my nose up in the air and when it rains I will drown.
Some of the 'Vette owners I've talked to (car shows, rod runs, club meetings) are all really cool people.
Some of the Vette owners are cool people...yes some. Another word similar to some is FEW.
They are the way they are because:
Their cars are "investments". Investors and investments are cool. Car guys are well.... just car guys! They have convinced themselves that investing in a Corvette is as smart if not smarter than investing in real estate or the stock market. Once you consider your old car as being a portfolio then you naturally move on to "my portfolio has to grow and be better than the other guys portfolio".
How do I make that happen? I do it by making the car more perfect. How do I make it more perfect? More date coded parts!!!! Now my car is better than the other guys car / portfolio and I gotta share info with him on how to improve his investment. How do I do that......I tell him what is wrong with his car. I am "helping" him ....he NEEDS to know what I have to offer even if he doesn't know that he needs to know.
Another part of this is about "preserving the American auto hertiage that is the Corvette". MANY of these guys are on a mission to preserve perfect Corvettes for FUTURE GENERATIONS. They worry that modified Corvettes will confuse people in the 29TH century. Already people are losing the truth as to what these cars were like in their GLORY DAYS. This has to be stopped at all cost!!!!! They feel a need to correct the lack of clarity and truth in what the unwashed massses think.
No joke here...a lot of mid year Vettes had bad paint on the lower doors. The spray process at GM left the lower doors sorta dull like unrubbed / un-wetsanded overspray. REAL RESTO guys PURPOSLY spray their lower doors POORLY to duplicate the factory mess up. Don't wanna over restore things you know gotta preserve the heritage perfectly.
This is all OK I guess UNTIL they attack your car and what you have decided to do to your car. Worse yet many times these well manicured Gucci loafer guys are WRONG when they voluntarily tell ya what your car should have. Nothing tightens my shorts more than WRONG info from some smart mouth classic car wanna be.
I have seen gangs of these guys walk around Vette shows smiling and talking to the owners. Then the gang moves on and RIPS THE S---T out of everything they saw on the car that needs "correcting". How do I know this...I have quietly followed more that a few of these gangs and evesdropped on their critique process.
This is a HOBBY???? I think not. It has gotten just to silly!!!!!
Be careful this crap IS leaking into the Chevelle side of the car hobby.
Chris R Sep 14th, 09, 10:18 PM Hard core Corvette guys are the most anal retentive A-holes out there. Most likely the worst are the C2 guys. NOTHING is too good for their Corvette once they buy it and NO Corvette is good enough for their wet dream vision of the investment car they want before they buy it.
Why is this important? It is important because they are impossible to please. Every fleck of paint has to be prefect, every wire has to be date coded, everything between the wheels has a set of standards as long as John Holmes johnsen. Each part on the car must be scrutinized and authenticated.
If your friend thinks he can make money in this business GOOD LUCK. I have a 66 that I want to sell and I DREAD DEALING WITH ANYONE WHO IS IN THE MARKET FOR ONE OF THESE CARS. Just to clarify how these guys think. Some dolt wanted to have his expert Corvette inspector fly into Atlanta to evaluate my car. Mr. Dolt wanted ME to pay for the ticket. Coach was OK: no need for FIRST CLASS thank you!!!!! If Mr. Dolt did not buy the car too bad for me, no refund of the ticket cost. If he did buy the car the ticket cost was "A cost of doing business that I had to expect to carry". These guys are on drugs!!!!!! As with the guy who lost about $4k on a car: I am ready to do almost anything including a trade to avoid dealing with a Hard Core Corvette buyer types.
Your buddy has a BAD IDEA IMHO.
I would have told the pompus you know what to go pound sand. IMO, the only cool vettes are modified ones. There is a few 427 cars out there but its just not for me.
SteelChevelle/ Sep 14th, 09, 10:25 PM Just stay away from the 88 model year Vettes...every mechanic and even some Vette guys say that was the year to stay away from...
nutseynut7 Sep 15th, 09, 1:41 AM I had a 71 pretty much stock but had torqthrust wheels a little dress up under the hood, I was so sick of the you should change this and that, i sold it last year,and bought a 67 bb cheevelle best move I ever made more fun,people seem to wave more , and compliment the car then they did the vette. The guys I have hooked up with that have Chevelles are the driving,cruising and racing people,not nit pickers makes life more fun. I wonder if all the guys that had newer vettes that put their price stickers on the window 3 years ago at 50k,still put them on now when the cars worth 25 to 30k.
SS_Sean Sep 22nd, 09, 12:11 PM Trust me, Chevelle owners can be just as snobby and numbers oriented. I stopped going to the Chevelle only shows for very much the same reasons. I'll see you guys at the drag races where we get things done. ;)
grandsport Sep 22nd, 09, 3:31 PM I used to deal in Corvettes,back in the 70s and 80s when they were something special and the demand was higher than the supply. Today,unless you deal in something unusual and do it up right it's a looser. I go to auctions every week and you can't swing a dead cat around by the tail without hitting 84 to 08 Corvettes. Plus with the way the economy is and banking restrictions people who want the average cars cant get the money. If you want to buy and sell some vehicles,try getting into the truck market.Money in the bank.:yes:
steve_sutherland Sep 22nd, 09, 3:33 PM Why are you swinging dead cats at auctions?! You need a new hobby ;)
The Deejay Sep 22nd, 09, 3:59 PM Why are you swinging dead cats at auctions?! You need a new hobby ;)
Buys dead cats for $.50....swings em around for awhile ,offers them $1.50 ea or 3 for $5.......once a salesman, always a salesman................besides, the more dead cats he moves, the more Pacificas he can buy;)............
Will it go round in circles........................................... .........
grandsport Sep 22nd, 09, 5:27 PM Buys dead cats for $.50....swings em around for awhile ,offers them $1.50 ea or 3 for $5.......once a salesman, always a salesman................besides, the more dead cats he moves, the more Pacificas he can buy;)............
Will it go round in circles........................................... .........
:hurray:
steve_sutherland Sep 22nd, 09, 5:40 PM Oh I got it- never even crossed my mind- dead cat remarketer;)
Rhino_68 Sep 22nd, 09, 5:54 PM I used to hang with a few guys with corvette's. you couldnt say the word corvette without one of them chiming in "worlds greatest car". annoying.
I've been kicking around the idea of doing a 58-62 Corvette as a gasser car. Straight axel, 427, M-22, roll bar.I kinda like the looks of the one in "Hot Rods to Hell" movie. Will the Vette guys hate me like the original type Nomad guys do? (my Nomad is a Gasser)
cheveslakr Sep 22nd, 09, 7:15 PM Love the gassers, do it and who cares who hates you that's their problem. I've been toying with the idea of making a 1st gen. nova gasser with a small block and 4spd. Of course it would have to have chromed straight axle, shaved front bumper, rear slicks sticking beyond the wheelhouses mounted on cragars.:thumbsup:
Jerry
steve_sutherland Sep 22nd, 09, 8:45 PM Love the gassers, do it and who cares who hates you that's their problem. I've been toying with the idea of making a 1st gen. nova gasser with a small block and 4spd. Of course it would have to have chromed straight axle, shaved front bumper, rear slicks sticking beyond the wheelhouses mounted on cragars.:thumbsup:
Jerry
Of course!:thumbsup: man that would be cool!!:yes:
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