Apparently I am running an Automotive body shop and repair facility in my driveway!! I was sent a certified letter from the city yard nazis informing that I am ordered to "Cease immediatly upon reciept of this notice any further automobile repair and/or body work being done at this residence". I was also ordered to remove all "Car parts and Equipment, and materials that are causing a Public nuisance to the neighborhood".

Now heres the thing, I live on a dead end street off of a dead end street, The only people that can see my drive way or cars are the neighbors that are at my house everyday hanging out or working on their cars, bikes, quads etc.. If I was running a repair/body shop I would hope to be making a little money- Since im flat broke I must either be doing something wrong or not running a shop!!! We'll be taking a trip the city building tomorrow morning to "discuss" the problems. I have read all of the city codes (due to issues with a club house a few years back) and No where does it state that I can not work on my, My family, or friends cars at my house. I have an easy up canopy up for shade, I was also told that this has to be removed also. I wonder if this man has any clue whats coming My wife, Dee (also known as the enforcer) Is P.O.d. Ive made her this mad before --its not fun. Someone is going to wish they stayed in bed tomorrow. :yes::yes:

That stinks....Dealing with the city is NEVER fun...

City's are not bad, Its the Neighborhood associations that can be BRUTAL.... And depending on the charter, they have a TON of power....

we have a guy close by the really is running a body/repair shop out of his garage. He had a huge garage built (attached to the house, thats actually bigger than the house) While they were getting ready to build the shop, the city came and cited him for all sorts of stuff in the yard, including his kids bike, chained to the fence! And since they couldnt just pick on him, they dinged the nieghbors for all sorts of crap in thier yard too. jim

It seams they come up with stuff to suit them and their "pet peeves". Stick it to them, make them show you the law as they're written so vague that they can twist and turn them to their liking.

Do you have the current up to date codes? They may have passed some new stuff under the radar. They did here a while back but repealed a lot of it at the insistence of the city attorney because he told them the city would not want the legal bills that would be coming their way!
I'd say no one turned you in but rather code enforcement have increased their patrols (have everywhere) in search of ways to raise revenue!:yes:

Sounds like the city needs to bolster their coffers. With the economy the way it is, with businesses dropping off the map, homes and businesses in forclosures their tax base drops. So, to make up for it, they find new ways to tax and raise fees for everything- and fines too.
Good luck

Aw Ken!!! That sucks...I hope it doesn't become a big hassle. It would be cool if your wife went down there and "set them straight". :D


Funny related story...A few years ago in another neighborhood I used to live in there were these Mexicans that lived across and down the street. There were like 20 of them, and the dude that seemed to be the "man" of the house worked during the week and did car repairs on evenings and weekends, lots of them. Well, he had just got this big old chevy van with duals and a nice sounding sbc, and it was "el ano nuevo". He had also just parked a newer camry in the driveway to fix at his "shop". It was late, and I was inside and kept hearing him run laps around the block with his van, he was hammered. He was gettin' some, sideways around a corner on a wet road with a van is squirrely. I was inside, I just heard all this mind you. Then I heard what sounded like him skidding into his driveway then BANG!!! SLAM!!!! CRASH!!!!! ETC!!!!!

I went outside, and from what I saw he had to have went into his driveway skidding sideways, bashed into the camry and sent the camry through the front of the house into the living room. Oh My God!!! l:) He moved the van, then had to hook a chain from it to the camry so he could yank it back out of the house. l:) Every time he yanked, more of the house fell down. It was so funny, oh man.

I've had letters and visits from city officials many times.
A couple of months ago I had to pay a $71.00 fine because someone SAID they saw my dog out in the front yard without a leash. (guilty until proven innocent) :mad:

The last cop that came by gave me the URL address to the particular city code that pertains to parking vehicles and man was I surprised at all the stuff I can be sited for IF they really want to push the issue.

They usually leave people alone as long as it's not too bad BUT they have to act on any report they receive.

Thing is, if someone else gets a warning or citation, they say "well so and so does this or that or has this or that so why do they get away with it." Then they drive around the neighborhood looking for stuff that they can report. (even on dead end streets far away from their house.

Just last month my daughter had to pay a $500.00 fine for having a pickup parked in the driveway with junk in the back of it.
They said you can't have anything in any pickup - NOTHING, even though it is below the bed line and can't be seen from the street.
I really think that was all brought on by her "man" giving the inspector a hard time, arguing and geting loud mouthed with things like I KNOW MY RIGHTS BLA BLA BLA.
(he thinks he's a lawyer and actually is one of those know it alls) :D

Myself, I would just try to comply and be nice and polite because they can make it very tough on you if they want to do so.


Good luck!

Myself, I would just try to comply and be nice and polite because they can make it very tough on you if they want to do so.


Good luck!


Yea...it sounds like a neighbor probably blew you in....you better be sure about the codes before you go off on the guy in the code enforcer's office.

Wow, Dean, your neighborhood a-hole-ciation is out there. Not the Kansas I envisioned in my head. Of course, most of how I envision Kansas stems from this movie I saw as a kid. :D

Around here, you can't GET the city to come out and do their job. The laws on the books say no car parked on the street can sit in one spot for more than 24 hours. And any car found with expired tags is supposed to be towed immediately. Despite numerous complaints from myself and a couple other neighbors, my neighbor with upwards of a dozen cars right now has NEVER had one towed, even though some of them have sat on the street, unregistered, for years at a time. He's been blocking his own and his neighbor's mailboxes for at least 3, maybe 4 years now, with an S-10 that he can't get legal due to the previous owner swapping out the steering wheel, thus disabling the airbags. So the truck sits and rots. :sad:

Ken, good luck with the city. Hope it works out for you.

Off topic, but several years back I was getting the shingles replaced on my roof...(roooofe...not...ruufff). These guys arrived at around 0700 and began removing all my old shingles (two layers) and began laying down new ones.

At about 1300, I had about 13 guys on my roof doing their job and I hear my doorbell ring. I opened the door and one of the workers asked me if I had a "Permit" for the work. :confused: (I also spotted some office-looking guy with a white shirt and necktie on my front lawn at that time). I asked, "I need a permit?" and the office guy said, "Yes, you do." I then said, "Who are you?" He said, "The building inspector." :eek: So I asked him the reason, where to get it and how much did it cost? He gave me all the info, so I had to run down to the Building Inspectors office and obtain a Permit. I think it was around $80 or so...perhaps a bit less.

I later learned that a few blocks away, someone else had their roof shingles replaced and apparently the B/I was out checking on their home and spotted the work being done on mine, without that Permit in my front window. Either that or the B/I just "happened" to be on Patrol.

In my Town, you require a Permit for almost any repairs done to your home or property..... From windows to fences, and the Town is still broke and I/we are paying moderatley high property taxes.

One Township Ordinance states that you cannot have your grass 24" high. If you are in violation, you'll be fined $500 plus the cost for them to cut your grass. Now, they want to change it to 12" high. :rolleyes:

Speaking of permits, I've had inspectors just walk on in a customers house, come down in the basement and say STOP working, you don't have a permit.
One time on a remodel job three of us were working for a remodel company that had about 5 of their guys working also and all of a sudden we see a guy standing around watching - another STOP WORK order.
MY three service vans with big signs parked outside was probably the cause of that one but it wasn't up to me to obtain a permit, it was up to the G.C.

In Kansas City Missouri, my cousin got a ticket for parking across his driveway, seems you can't block a driveway even if it is your own. :(

That's why I live 10 miles out of town and have 20 acres and I'm smack in the middle of it. One day they will even do these things to us. Good luck.

That's why I live 10 miles out of town and have 20 acres and I'm smack in the middle of it. One day they will even do these things to us. Good luck.

Yep, I got a notice from the county that I had 10 days to get 15 vehicles off of my son's 60 acres out in the country.
They said I could have ONE vehicle there while working on it but it had to be kept inside the barn.

you think that's bad! the city of norfolk uses google maps to see if any cars hae been sitting for more than 30 days a ffreind that owns a shop said that they run a patrol every 40 day just to make sure that it is nice and legal once they give the tickets/payment opions luke

wow Dean...I had NO idea Kansas was that bad...must be a lot of progressives in the gov't

Off topic, but several years back I was getting the shingles replaced on my roof...(roooofe...not...ruufff). These guys arrived at around 0700 and began removing all my old shingles (two layers) and began laying down new ones.

At about 1300, I had about 13 guys on my roof doing their job and I hear my doorbell ring. I opened the door and one of the workers asked me if I had a "Permit" for the work. :confused: (I also spotted some office-looking guy with a white shirt and necktie on my front lawn at that time). I asked, "I need a permit?" and the office guy said, "Yes, you do." I then said, "Who are you?" He said, "The building inspector." :eek: So I asked him the reason, where to get it and how much did it cost? He gave me all the info, so I had to run down to the Building Inspectors office and obtain a Permit. I think it was around $80 or so...perhaps a bit less.

I later learned that a few blocks away, someone else had their roof shingles replaced and apparently the B/I was out checking on their home and spotted the work being done on mine, without that Permit in my front window. Either that or the B/I just "happened" to be on Patrol.

In my Town, you require a Permit for almost any repairs done to your home or property..... From windows to fences, and the Town is still broke and I/we are paying moderatley high property taxes.

One Township Ordinance states that you cannot have your grass 24" high. If you are in violation, you'll be fined $500 plus the cost for them to cut your grass. Now, they want to change it to 12" high. :rolleyes:

Ok that is so wack. I can see for adding on to a home,but fence and shigle repair also.

Welcome to America, eh? :(

dam, glad i live where i live-i did get a permit for my garage just to be safe, but the inspector was pretty cool, only came by once, talked a little car stuff and never came back

A lot of inspectors and neighborhood things really are a-holes. There isn't much freedom left in this country! :(

Ok that is so wack. I can see for adding on to a home,but fence and shigle repair also.

That is why you do the work on the weekend! Companies have doing that end run for a couple years since the town is too broke to pay overtime.
The town next to us though designated a guy who works weekends only because of it! I also heard that they are giving rewards for whistleblowers.(haven't verified that one yet)

you think that's bad! the city of norfolk uses google maps to see if any cars hae been sitting for more than 30 days


doubt it. google maps are not current enough for that to be true. they would have to have access to govt. satellites for that to work.

one bad thing about no permits if your place goes up in smoke your insurance has a way out of paying for anything! asks me how i know. luke

don't know about that i can see my cars and back yard real nice also most lots here are cleared of trees that are being used for storge lots mandated by who else the city.they also do randem inspections

doubt it. google maps are not current enough for that to be true. they would have to have access to govt. satellites for that to work.

Yep, been over 4 years since the photo for my address has been updated. (Street is not even paved yet on Google Earth/Maps.)

doubt it. google maps are not current enough for that to be true. they would have to have access to govt. satellites for that to work.

What you see and what they pay to see are two totally diferent things. They are looking at real time! Just like big brother does!
Just like when you zoom in and it says that view isn't available. That just means not available to you!:yes:

you think that's bad! the city of norfolk uses google maps to see if any cars hae been sitting for more than 30 days a ffreind that owns a shop said that they run a patrol every 40 day just to make sure that it is nice and legal once they give the tickets/payment opions luke
This happened to me in Norfolk, I had a camaro at my boss' shop. The city came in one day and said I had 24 hours to get it off the property or it was a $500 fine.

City's are not bad, Its the Neighborhood associations that can be BRUTAL.... And depending on the charter, they have a TON of power....

Here in California they have had their wings clipped a bit since they caused a guy to lose his house over the HOA fees.

worst town I have seen for this stuff is FRANKENMUTH MI ,, yea our lovely AUTOFEST car show is there,,, some of the in town rules r down rite nazi like,,,,,,like having to put up christmas lights if yer on the carrige ride tours route,,,,, if you dont they will do it for you and charge you..... you must have landscape around yer yard bushes and trees and yer house....dont even leave a unliscened plated car in yer driveway.......................

Ok that is so wack. I can see for adding on to a home,but fence and shigle repair also.


It was four (4) panels (sections) only! More of a "privacy" fence than anything else, and made of white f'glass. They wanted my survey and I had to indicate on it where the fence would be placed.

Just came inside, Been outside violating the cease work order and put the motor in my chevelle, also brought in more auto repair equipment ( cherry picker). Hope they came by and saw something else to complain about. This all started a few years ago when they tried to force me to get take down my kids club house because I didn;t have a permit to build it. We went to court, Pointed out to the judge that there is no where in the building codes that mentions anything about a clubhouse. The jusdge asked them for the code that was violated, They listed a code the has to do with additions to an existing living structure. The judge threw it out. A week later they were back about my swimming pool, Its been here for 20 years ( 10 years before I bought the house). They decided that I needed a permit for it, Back to court we went and I won again. Then they complained about my camaro thats on a concrete pad next to my garage, behind a fence, and under a cover. They claim was that it had no engine ( it doesnt but thats beside the point). We went back to court, Provided the judge with detailed dates and times of there supervisor being informed that they were not permitted inside the fenced area of my yard. They had pictures of my car with the cover pulled back. They trespassed inorder to get pictures. The judge informed them that if I choose i could file tresspassing and breaking and entering charges, as they were warned and did not have the right to search a vehicle or fenced are of the property. We won again. They were told by the judge to back off, its been 3 years since they had said anything to us, Now this. Im sure my wife will set them straight, If not I have a good friend that is a part time judge and lawyer. im sure he'll fix it

Just came inside, Been outside violating the cease work order and put the motor in my chevelle, also brought in more auto repair equipment ( cherry picker). Hope they came by and saw something else to complain about. This all started a few years ago when they tried to force me to get take down my kids club house because I didn;t have a permit to build it. We went to court, Pointed out to the judge that there is no where in the building codes that mentions anything about a clubhouse. The jusdge asked them for the code that was violated, They listed a code the has to do with additions to an existing living structure. The judge threw it out. A week later they were back about my swimming pool, Its been here for 20 years ( 10 years before I bought the house). They decided that I needed a permit for it, Back to court we went and I won again. Then they complained about my camaro thats on a concrete pad next to my garage, behind a fence, and under a cover. They claim was that it had no engine ( it doesnt but thats beside the point). We went back to court, Provided the judge with detailed dates and times of there supervisor being informed that they were not permitted inside the fenced area of my yard. They had pictures of my car with the cover pulled back. They trespassed inorder to get pictures. The judge informed them that if I choose i could file tresspassing and breaking and entering charges, as they were warned and did not have the right to search a vehicle or fenced are of the property. We won again. They were told by the judge to back off, its been 3 years since they had said anything to us, Now this. Im sure my wife will set them straight, If not I have a good friend that is a part time judge and lawyer. im sure he'll fix it

:hurray::hurray::hurray:Now thats what im talking about. A story about someone that plays hardball with the city and play thier game. Love hearing storys like that. Nice work.:thumbsup:

Wow. I couldn't live like that.
HOA rules, no dogs outside, no car in your driveway, telling you what colors you can paint your house, what you can do on your own property, what kind of grass/bushes/trees you have to/can have. Terrible traffic, rude people, rampant crime, and living like ants running around an ant hill. $$$ seems to dominate conversations.
When the economy gets better, why don't people just sell out and LIVE somewhere where they can LIVE, especially retired folks?
Oh, there is no economic pot of gold out in the boonies. You have to love the lifestyle.
I shoot my guns off the back porch, go see a man about a dog outside, do what I want. My friend and I are stripping/painting a 2002 Dodge 3/4 ton diesel outside of my detached garage now.
I travel to the city every once in awhile.
You all can keep it.....the city seems to suck the joy out of life.
Bully to you all that fight the "system".

I live in the suburbs of los angeles and do not deal with this at all. kinda ironic since people make out so cal to be the worst state for this kind of stuff

Sounds like someone wants your house and or property. What I mean by that is hoping to piss you off just enough that you'll sell the house and move. Then they swoop in to buy it.

Wow. I couldn't live like that.
HOA rules, no dogs outside, no car in your driveway, telling you what colors you can paint your house, what you can do on your own property, what kind of grass/bushes/trees you have to/can have. Terrible traffic, rude people, rampant crime, and living like ants running around an ant hill. $$$ seems to dominate conversations.
When the economy gets better, why don't people just sell out and LIVE somewhere where they can LIVE, especially retired folks?
Oh, there is no economic pot of gold out in the boonies. You have to love the lifestyle.
I shoot my guns off the back porch, go see a man about a dog outside, do what I want. My friend and I are stripping/painting a 2002 Dodge 3/4 ton diesel outside of my detached garage now.
I travel to the city every once in awhile.
You all can keep it.....the city seems to suck the joy out of life.
Bully to you all that fight the "system".

You forgot..illegal to wear a red shirt on Thursdays.
:D

I'd like to set up huge communities where just car guys live. Kinda like those nice golf course communituies. All look great from the front, but they are triple lots and in back of everyones house is a huge working area/shop/storage. A backyard within a backyard if you will.
So from the street it looks like a regular neighborhood. All the car action happens in the back.

Ktrim, sound like you are doing major repairs and making money. Why don't you just get a legitimate shop in a commercial zone? Save yourself all of this grief ???

I'll ask you guys.
If you were not a car guy at all and 3-4 of your close neighbors had engine hoists, parts, cars on jack stands, wheels lying around and were wrenching and making noise all day every day in their driveways, wouldn't you be a little upset with the appearance and activity going on in the neighborhood?

I'd like to set up huge communities where just car guys live. Kinda like those nice golf course communituies. All look great from the front, but they are triple lots and in back of everyones house is a huge working area/shop/storage. A backyard within a backyard if you will.
So from the street it looks like a regular neighborhood. All the car action happens in the back.

Ktrim, sound like you are doing major repairs and making money. Why don't you just get a legitimate shop in a commercial zone? Save yourself all of this grief ???

I'll ask you guys.
If you were not a car guy at all and 3-4 of your close neighbors had engine hoists, parts, cars on jack stands, wheels lying around and were wrenching and making noise all day every day in their driveways, wouldn't you be a little upset with the appearance and activity going on in the neighborhood?

Okay, I'll dance but with a different complaint.

I love cars...always have, but in my neighborhood is a motorcycle repairman who works on the side nightly and on weekends. He's a good friend of mine too might I add. Anyway, whenever one of his "clients" leave his digs, drive down the street and decide to make the turn in front of my home after stopping on the adjacent side street, they 'open it up' and it's gotten to the point where it's absolutley annoying. Everything from imports to Harleys. They go about 3/10th's of a mile before you can hear them back off. (My guess is they want to go through as many gears as possible).

I spoke to him about it and he told me that he no longer works on bikes belonging to a younger crowd who were not as responsible as his current one's (it was a lot worse and more frequent a few years back). However, during the summer and on nice days during the winter, the "noise" continues....at least twice a day.

Yup, had a similar problem when I moved to Tucson. Had an attached 2 and a half car garage. My daughter worked for an electrical company. One Saturday, she had them come out and install 8 foot flourescent fixtures on the ceiling and walls. Lit that garage up great! Shortly after, I was in the garage one evening with the garage door open and was waxing my car..........and someone on "the board" came by. I was tild I couldn't work on my car in may garage (waxing it?) and I couldn't have those bright lights on.......they had other problems in the Assoc, like unpaid dues, drug trafficer tenants, garbage issues.......but they decided i was the problem of the day.
Our land search started that weekend. We now live on 5 acres, 12 miles away from the nearest place to spend money. Everyone out there has at least 5 acres. I built a 24 x 30 shop with AC/heat and cable. I have a lift on a slab next to the shop. I built a 24 x 50 garage that holds 5 cars easily. All six of my Chevys have current license and insurance. Outside, I have a licensed car trailer, a Licensed water trailer, a licensed dump trailer, and a pickup bed that I'll eventually put on my 71 pickup. I've painted, powdercoated, done engine and trans swaps, oil changes and suspension rebuilds at my place and nobody bothers me. That suits me just fine.

I'm kind of old school I guess but I always felt when you bought property, it was yours!!!
I can see if the neighbors yard starts looking like a salvage yard and if they are beating abd banging on stuff half the night.
Other than that I don't have a problem with what others want to do on their own property. Don't feel it is really any of my business unless it physically affects me!

I am lucky to have car guy neighbors plus we all have land. Across the street they work on tractors, bull dozer, whatever. Next door 4 wheelers. At the end of our shared drive he has 8 cars including a drag car and me with my 5 cars. The other side of me is my FIL, he could care less.

I'm wondering just how long it will be before our HOA jump's me b/c my 2003 Accent lives outside! 6+ years now...

But I do mow 1/2 of the back entrance to the neighborhood by the turning circle just for exercise and a buncha people know it.

I did a front pad R&R and tire rotate on my Daughter's Corolla this AM in like 45 minutes and I could just see them looking as they drove in and and out!

Gotta DIME!!!!!!

pdq67

Well it has all been corrected. The Inspectors story is she was driving by and saw the welder and air tools sitting out, so she assumed it was a shop as no one she has ever known has that kind of equipment at there house. Then she started looking closely and saw my Mil's yukon with the intake off, My neighbors jeep with the wheels off, the chevelle on jack stands, the cover off my camaro. and a bunch of scrap I had piled up to take to the scrap yard. All of this was taken care of and gone before the letter arrived. If she would have taken the time to knock on the door I would have told her what was going and save a bunch of crap and paperwork. What it all comes down to is i have to put the cover back on the camaro (it already was), She asked that we only work on 1 or 2 cars at a time- told her we would try. They want me to fix a piece of siding on the peek of the house, she says its missing. Thing is, its not missing. The P.O. had painted a 1 foot section of the siding black so it looks like its gone. Never fixed it because I want to replace siding with vinyl. Told her eventually it would be fixed, right now I have no money due to unemployment. She appologized for not knocking, turns out she and her husband are into old cars. My wife invited them to stop by and hang out, then they will understand more about what goes on here.

just an example of a normal day, Yesterday we had the chevelle in the drive, 4 quads in the yard, 2 dirt bikes, a ford probe that a friend was tuning up, a lumina that my son was putting a radio in, and 15 people in the front yard ranging in age from 9 to 50 just talking. its like this more often than not. all the people are neighbors hang out here, even if we're not home.

GOOD FOR YOU! I will not talk bad about the city person jumping to conclusions, other than say that getting out of the car to actually inspect vs sending a letter and making you take your time to prove she was wrong would have been a better deal. You can probably file a formal complaint, but I think the point was made since you actually spoke to her in person after. Keep her on your good side, even if it's just pointing out an upcoming show or something.

We thought this was all taken care of. Friday morning a Sheriff showed up and served us with 4 court summons'. WE have to go to court!!! There was an article friday in the local paper regarding this. Last year the city wrote a total of 982 (something like that) citations the entire year. This year they have written over 3500. we are going to court, pleading not guilty and asking for a jury trial. they may win in the end, but its gonna cost him. I refuse to roll over and just pay!!!!!

Apparently I am running an Automotive body shop and repair facility in my driveway!! I was sent a certified letter from the city yard nazis informing that I am ordered to "Cease immediatly upon reciept of this notice any further automobile repair and/or body work being done at this residence". I was also ordered to remove all "Car parts and Equipment, and materials that are causing a Public nuisance to the neighborhood".

Now heres the thing, I live on a dead end street off of a dead end street, The only people that can see my drive way or cars are the neighbors that are at my house everyday hanging out or working on their cars, bikes, quads etc.. If I was running a repair/body shop I would hope to be making a little money- Since im flat broke I must either be doing something wrong or not running a shop!!! We'll be taking a trip the city building tomorrow morning to "discuss" the problems. I have read all of the city codes (due to issues with a club house a few years back) and No where does it state that I can not work on my, My family, or friends cars at my house. I have an easy up canopy up for shade, I was also told that this has to be removed also. I wonder if this man has any clue whats coming My wife, Dee (also known as the enforcer) Is P.O.d. Ive made her this mad before --its not fun. Someone is going to wish they stayed in bed tomorrow. :yes::yes:

I would say it's someone you know and you have pissed them off somehow or the other. Pissed because you wouldn't fix his or her car,or just pissed because you have more friends than they do or something on these lines?:yes:

We thought this was all taken care of. Friday morning a Sheriff showed up and served us with 4 court summons'. WE have to go to court!!! There was an article friday in the local paper regarding this. Last year the city wrote a total of 982 (something like that) citations the entire year. This year they have written over 3500. we are going to court, pleading not guilty and asking for a jury trial. they may win in the end, but its gonna cost him. I refuse to roll over and just pay!!!!!

Counter with a small claims suit for the amount of $ and time you spent screwing around with these idiots.

It sounds more like the city is running low on money, so they are looking for revenue through citations.:(

It sounds more like the city is running low on money, so they are looking for revenue through citations.:(

:yes:

It sounds more like the city is running low on money, so they are looking for revenue through citations.:(
:yes::yes:

Things will only keep getting worse too! Here now they are stickering and ticketing cars that have current tags but have not been moved in 72 hours.
If it is sitting in the sreet at the curb witha flat tire for more than 24 hours they sicker it and give you a ticket for an unoperational vehicle!
Oh you do have the right to challenge the ticket in court but if you lose then you also have court costs.
They know most will just pay the ticket!:yes:

just read the thread, sorry for your troubles. The H.O.A.'s aren't bad around here (inspectors? what inspectors?) however my buddy lives in an H.O.A. and they ALWAYS give him crap about anything they can. I've seen him get notices about the height of his lawn, leaves in the bushes (Maple Tree in front yard), having an oil stain 4" in diameter on his driveway, etc. Hell they said he had to put a cap on his truck because since it wasn't an SUV it was "damaging to the look of the neighborhood and lowered property values".

He had a 64 Fairlane, which he was constantly given crap about as well (noise, looks, etc.) He tried to be nice and considerate, but when they kept going after him he got fed up with it and simply left in first gear instead of third every time he went to work. Interestingly enough after that they left him alone. :D Guess they don't like the sound of an 11:1 306 thru bullets dumped before the axle at 9 AM.

Load the shot gun............Make a stand

Load the shot gun............Make a stand
Are you related to Paul?:D

I dunno on this one... if you choose to live near others, then you probably should respect the consensus of the group. I live in a neighborhood with an HOA with rules about appearance and stuff outside. I spent $50,000 on a detached garage to put my stuff in to comply, nothing sits in the driveway. Nothing sits in anyone else's driveways, either, it's kinda nice to have things look clean and orderly.

I know HOAs do a lot of good and are needed, but ill tell you what, I have been hearing a lot more bad then good about them lately.

Things will only keep getting worse too! Here now they are stickering and ticketing cars that have current tags but have not been moved in 72 hours.
If it is sitting in the sreet at the curb witha flat tire for more than 24 hours they sicker it and give you a ticket for an unoperational vehicle!
Oh you do have the right to challenge the ticket in court but if you lose then you also have court costs.
They know most will just pay the ticket!:yes:


This happened to my friend. He had Dodge Neon he could absolutely care less about, so he never, ever washed it. He parked it on the street in the exact same spot every day, but he drove it to and from work everyday. Guess the city police came by at night and saw it there multiple nights, gave him a ticket!

This happened to my friend. He had Dodge Neon he could absolutely care less about, so he never, ever washed it. He parked it on the street in the exact same spot every day, but he drove it to and from work everyday. Guess the city police came by at night and saw it there multiple nights, gave him a ticket!

Did he end up fighting that? How rediculous is it that a police dept would never think. Maybe we should come back around during the day and see if this car ever moves then. I hope your friend took that ticket right to court to fight it then told that police department to do a little better job when trying to determine if a vehicle really does sit in the same spot.

Ktrim, good luck in your battles with the city. I remember the 4-wheeler story and how much that meant to your whole family. I can tell what kind of person you are and what kind of family you have. It's unfortunate the way you are being treated.

I was sited a couple weeks ago. Long story short, I was cleaning out the garage after the LS1 swap and a few things were left outside for a couple of days (old cooler, cans of paint, trash, Camaro & Chevelle parts, etc.). I got a little note in the mail saying I have 48 hours to clean it up or I'll get a ticket. I piled most of it up by the curb for the trash and they sent me a thank you note a few days later.

I just found out my neighbor is being hassled about his '69 GTO convertible that is under a tarp. I've offered to take it off his hands :yes:

Did he end up fighting that? How rediculous is it that a police dept would never think. Maybe we should come back around during the day and see if this car ever moves then. I hope your friend took that ticket right to court to fight it then told that police department to do a little better job when trying to determine if a vehicle really does sit in the same spot.

Most places mark a tire with a chalk stripe, use the same spot on each, then they can come back later to see if it's moved.

My 77 yr old grandfather and I were cited last week. I live on a dead end street and we own the whole side of our road which there is 3 homes that we have. They left us letters in the mailbox saying they were doing a clean sweep of the area and we had to have all vehicles that weren't tagged and insured inside and all of our junk gone. Well what they consider junk is alot of construction equipment from where my dad and grandfather used to have a construction company. We do have alot of stuff that needs to be gone and we've already started hauling it off but I can imagine how this is going to end up in the end.

We thought this was all taken care of. Friday morning a Sheriff showed up and served us with 4 court summons'. WE have to go to court!!! There was an article friday in the local paper regarding this. Last year the city wrote a total of 982 (something like that) citations the entire year. This year they have written over 3500. we are going to court, pleading not guilty and asking for a jury trial. they may win in the end, but its gonna cost him. I refuse to roll over and just pay!!!!!


It's getting near the end of the year and the City needs cash.

Just thinking about this thread. It might not be the cars in the yard (eyesore to them) but more of the noise level. I know that working on cars it can get pretty noisy and the noise can travel quite a ways. I try and pick times to work on my car as not to disturb the neighborhood.

Not saying you make alot of noise but you might be. I like to be able to sit in my house and relax and not listen to a bunch of noise all day or night long.

I think sometimes we have our blinders on and dont think about anyone else's right to peace and quiet. All we think about is that we have the right to work on our cars when ever we want.

Not trying to flame just give another perspective.

I sure wouldn't want ME for a neighbor.
Always two or three unlicensed vehicles
Always someone working on vehicles until late.
Always three or for visitors vehicles until late.
End of day collection load of junk sometimes parked out in the street. :D :D

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Greetings from Arizona
I got the letter from DMV...can't run used car lot from your home
only had 10 cars here..hmmmmm when we called him the inspector
told us they had to go..but sir they aren't for sale! they got to go was reply. but sir all are insured and have current tags except ones in garage...hmmmm well what kinda of cars do you have...8 are collectables
His reply YOU ARE LEGAL AND I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABLE IT....DO YOU WANT TO SELL ANY OF THEm? HMMMM no, thats sounds like entrapment!
jay

glad i dont live in a Gingerbread Village, lol
if someone accused me of running a business and served me a summons, i would show a loss on my income tax as a business, if the feds said no can do, i would have that as proof of not running a business, stick them with a catch 22
i agree with showing some respect for fellow neighbors, not everyone looks at our hobby the same way, and with property values dropping, people are concerned

They left us letters in the mailbox saying they were doing a clean sweep of the area and we had to have all vehicles that weren't tagged and insured inside and all of our junk gone.

They should not be opening your mailbox - only you and the postmaster has the legal right open your mail box to put in or remove items.

As a member of our HOA and actually part of rewriting our covenants several years ago, HOA’s are there to protect the general interest of the neighborhood. Both, to set guidelines for esthetics and repercussions if they are not followed. They are mostly there to preserve property value and harmony throughout the neighborhood. Yes, some HOA are off the deep end. I guy I know can’t leave his hose reel hooked up to the front of his house, but generally saying they are not that bad.

Regarding vehicles, we follow the county’s guidelines for inoperable vehicles on property. We added that vehicles must be parked on hard a surface (brick, concrete, asphalt) that is connected to the driveway - which solves the cars parked on the side of the house/ back yard. We have an open exhaust clause during certain hours so those with race cars can run their vehicles. No boats or campers are to be stored outside more than one month.

All property buyers are presented with a set of convents before purchasing a home or vacant lot. The neighborhood is all custom homes $500 K - 1.5 M on acre + lots. Again covenants are their just to protect the community value and esthetics - if people are not into or care for that - then a neighborhood that has an HOA that they can not comply with is not for them.

Now back to the original post - if the city is out to play games and has nothing to stand on that’s a hassle.

I know it was not a neighbor, I have lived on this street for 35 of my 39 years. I know everyone that lives here. This neighborhood is like Mayberry, There is always a group of kids playing football, basketball, or some sport out front. Neighbors go from house to house to visit for a bit, If they had a probem they would tell me, Most of them hang out and help or work on their own stuff. Its always packed up by dark/9:00pm at the latest so as not to bother anyone. The yard nazi (was told this by one that was fired last year). are given target areas to visit each day, They are told that there is always something that they can site a home owner for. If i still had his name we would call him as a witness. The citations are for a missing piece of siding, its not missing the previous owner painted it black fro some reason. On citation is for unlicensed vehicals, The all are licensed and insured. One is for failure to maintain a parking surface, dont know what they mean by that. my driveway could use replacement, but is in better shape then the street. on is for blight/garbage, This is probably due to my garbage cans being visible from the street if you stand at the dead end and look down the hill. I keep the place pretty clean most of the time, sometimes there may be a day or to when it looks a bit unrully. As an adult I recognize that and take care of it as I dont like my house/yard looking like crap. The city is in need of money as all the business is leaving, There has been mass forclosures of both private and buisness realestate in the area. We refuse to bow to them.

I know it was not a neighbor, I have lived on this street for 35 of my 39 years. I know everyone that lives here. This neighborhood is like Mayberry, There is always a group of kids playing football, basketball, or some sport out front. Neighbors go from house to house to visit for a bit, If they had a probem they would tell me, Most of them hang out and help or work on their own stuff. Its always packed up by dark/9:00pm at the latest so as not to bother anyone. The yard nazi (was told this by one that was fired last year). are given target areas to visit each day, They are told that there is always something that they can site a home owner for. If i still had his name we would call him as a witness. The citations are for a missing piece of siding, its not missing the previous owner painted it black fro some reason. On citation is for unlicensed vehicals, The all are licensed and insured. One is for failure to maintain a parking surface, dont know what they mean by that. my driveway could use replacement, but is in better shape then the street. on is for blight/garbage, This is probably due to my garbage cans being visible from the street if you stand at the dead end and look down the hill. I keep the place pretty clean most of the time, sometimes there may be a day or to when it looks a bit unrully. As an adult I recognize that and take care of it as I dont like my house/yard looking like crap. The city is in need of money as all the business is leaving, There has been mass forclosures of both private and buisness realestate in the area. We refuse to bow to them.

I understand better now. Hope all goes well for ya.:thumbsup:

I sure wouldn't want ME for a neighbor.
Always two or three unlicensed vehicles
Always someone working on vehicles until late.
Always three or for visitors vehicles until late.
End of day collection load of junk sometimes parked out in the street. :D :D

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Hey, Dean, I see you're hauling off that "No Smoking" sign. :D:Dl:)
Sorry, man, I just had to do it. :p
BillL

For the 10 years I've been in my house, I've been listening to our neighbors barking dog. All night - especially on weekends. HOA did nothing after numerous complaints. In the meantime, I get hate mail about my trash can being out on Tuesday after a Monday pickup or my grass looks too long. Only a little pissed. If the ever levy a fine or lien on my house we're going to court for breach of contract and I will break this worthless HOA.

Anyway, I know what cars the "neighbors" drive when they're cruising the area for violators. Looks to me like they're casing houses so I call the Sheriff every time I see 'em.

Every year I get the "abate your alley" letter from the police department. Its their alley... my responsibility to keep it clean. I have had an entire truckload of remodel garbage dumped behind my house, a washer/dryer... a bunch of garbage bags full of empty sudafed containers....

But most recently I got paid back... I found a business folder with some cards, and a portable DVD player. Assumed they were stolen and stashed under a bush, so I called the guy with the business folder. Said yes it had been stolen out of his garage, but didn't know anything about a portable DVD player! Reported it found to the police department, but they didn't have any reports, so got to keep that one at least.

oh, and I'm surrounded by car guy neighbors. Breaking in a new motor on open headers, and the neighbors came over the next day to tell me they were happy for me when they heard it finally fire up!

HOA is a bunch of crap! I got complaints of our jaguar sitting out front because our neighbors knew the engine was blown and where I live, if the vehicle does not run, it can not be in public view.

They always say they are there to protect the value of the neighborhood. Our cars sitting out front is lowering the values of the home, nothing to do with the economy or anything,it's our cars that are lowering the prices.

My dad is in the housing industry and his number one reason for people opting out of a purchase is the HOA's :yes: Tell me how they are adding value by having vacant homes sharing their lots:confused:

I think HOA's should be outlawed. It's rediculous to think that one neighbor can govern another just because they have two or more people on their side:sad::mad:

I sure wouldn't want ME for a neighbor.
Always two or three unlicensed vehicles
Always someone working on vehicles until late.
Always three or for visitors vehicles until late.
End of day collection load of junk sometimes parked out in the street. :D :D

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No concern about being you neighbor, but I'm not so sure about following you down the road!!
Better get a bunch more straps on those "missiles" before you get nailed! :D

Dan

I'm kind of old school I guess but I always felt when you bought property, it was yours!!!

Oh you do? Try not paying your property taxes for a while and see if you actually "own" it. :)

RMX

HOA is a bunch of crap! I got complaints of our jaguar sitting out front because our neighbors knew the engine was blown and where I live, if the vehicle does not run, it can not be in public view.

They always say they are there to protect the value of the neighborhood. Our cars sitting out front is lowering the values of the home, nothing to do with the economy or anything,it's our cars that are lowering the prices.

My dad is in the housing industry and his number one reason for people opting out of a purchase is the HOA's :yes: Tell me how they are adding value by having vacant homes sharing their lots:confused:

I think HOA's should be outlawed. It's rediculous to think that one neighbor can govern another just because they have two or more people on their side:sad::mad:

You are absolutely right!!! There is no such thing as a good HOA. They are simply people with OCD who are obsessed with telling other people how to live their lives.
As a matter of fact, I just bought a new (for me) house in a sub that is dominated by a nasty HOA. I love the house but HATE HATE HATE HOA's. Well, the ultra cool seller of the house told me he agreed with me about not wanting to be oppressed by the HOA but the HOA refused to exempt me from their Nazi-like oppression. So I put my unlimited free legal service to work and VOILA! I was able to buy the house and will be the only one in the sub not subject to the fascist HOA oppression.
It turns out when you really put your nose to the grindstone.....and have free unlimited legal representation.....you CAN fight an HOA successfully.
Ahhhhhh, there's nothing like the feeling of really pissing off the HOA BEFORE you even move into your new house. And there's not a damn thing they can do about. :D:D:D

Mike

You are absolutely right!!! There is no such thing as a good HOA. They are simply people with OCD who are obsessed with telling other people how to live their lives.
As a matter of fact, I just bought a new (for me) house in a sub that is dominated by a nasty HOA. I love the house but HATE HATE HATE HOA's. Well, the ultra cool seller of the house told me he agreed with me about not wanting to be oppressed by the HOA but the HOA refused to exempt me from their Nazi-like oppression. So I put my unlimited free legal service to work and VOILA! I was able to buy the house and will be the only one in the sub not subject to the fascist HOA oppression.
It turns out when you really put your nose to the grindstone.....and have free unlimited legal representation.....you CAN fight an HOA successfully.
Ahhhhhh, there's nothing like the feeling of really pissing off the HOA BEFORE you even move into your new house. And there's not a damn thing they can do about. :D:D:D

Mike

Im sure they will find some way to give you a headache. They can still give you a hard time if there is some sort of city code violation. Neighbors will still call and complain any time they can. Glad to see you stuck it to them though.

Im sure they will find some way to give you a headache. They can still give you a hard time if there is some sort of city code violation. Neighbors will still call and complain any time they can. Glad to see you stuck it to them though.

Thanks Chris. But the good thing is that the HOA idiots have legally already given me their best shot and lost miserably. So now they can't touch me with their Stalin-like rules. Every war is won battle by battle. :yes:

Mike

After all these stories I feel very lucky. One thing that helped me want the house even more was the RV's parked in both neighbors' yards. I don't think working on the cars will be an issue.

I refuse to live anywhere ther is a HOA. They all say it's for the good of the community. Bull$%^t. They want to control you and your home. Sorry the government does that enough already.
City governments are getting desperate! They are looking for any way to generate revenue. Maybe a smaller government is needed instead????

So the crap begins!!!!!!!! Went to court today, We have still not been informed how we have violated the ordinances they claim we violated. We asked for copies of the paper work and pictures so we know what they are talking about. We were told that we are not entitled to see it. Everything is in my wifes name (due to my divorce years ago it had to be done this way) so she is the one charged. According to the judge she is facing upto $5000 fine and 6 months in jail for each violation. there are 4 violations so thats $2000 and 2 years in jail if sh is found guilty. I looked over the shoulder of the yard nazi and saw some of the pictures she has, Part of her complaint with us, is a neighbors truck parked on a public street adjacent to my house and property, and other truck parked across the street from my house, My garbage cans that she took pictures of after we cleaned out the garage and they were packed to the gills with garbage (imagine that garbage in garbage cans, who'd a thunk it). When I asked the judge about the pictures I was told to shut up, im not a lawyer and cannpt ask!!! anyway wifey pled not guilty, This seemed to surprise them (the judge, prosecuter, and zoning lady) all seemed amazed that we just didn't bend over and take it. since i am unemployed, we asked for and recieved a lawyer (which happens to be from the law office I would have gone to if I had money). Then to top it all off, this evening a police officer showed up out front. It seems the yard nazi called and raised hell with the police chief about unlicensed vehicals parked on our street, Problem is all the vehicals are licensed and operational. The officer thought it was hilarious. we spent about an hour discussing the chevelle, hes in thae market for a classic car to restore with his son. He and his son are going to come hang out and wrench on the car one afternoon as he is not car savy and wants to learn. So the down side of the day - My wife may go to jail for being a criminal garbage horder- Good side, I made a new friend!!

So the crap begins!!!!!!!! Went to court today, We have still not been informed how we have violated the ordinances they claim we violated. We asked for copies of the paper work and pictures so we know what they are talking about. We were told that we are not entitled to see it. Everything is in my wifes name (due to my divorce years ago it had to be done this way) so she is the one charged. According to the judge she is facing upto $5000 fine and 6 months in jail for each violation. there are 4 violations so thats $2000 and 2 years in jail if sh is found guilty. I looked over the shoulder of the yard nazi and saw some of the pictures she has, Part of her complaint with us, is a neighbors truck parked on a public street adjacent to my house and property, and other truck parked across the street from my house, My garbage cans that she took pictures of after we cleaned out the garage and they were packed to the gills with garbage (imagine that garbage in garbage cans, who'd a thunk it). When I asked the judge about the pictures I was told to shut up, im not a lawyer and cannpt ask!!! anyway wifey pled not guilty, This seemed to surprise them (the judge, prosecuter, and zoning lady) all seemed amazed that we just didn't bend over and take it. since i am unemployed, we asked for and recieved a lawyer (which happens to be from the law office I would have gone to if I had money). Then to top it all off, this evening a police officer showed up out front. It seems the yard nazi called and raised hell with the police chief about unlicensed vehicals parked on our street, Problem is all the vehicals are licensed and operational. The officer thought it was hilarious. we spent about an hour discussing the chevelle, hes in thae market for a classic car to restore with his son. He and his son are going to come hang out and wrench on the car one afternoon as he is not car savy and wants to learn. So the down side of the day - My wife may go to jail for being a criminal garbage horder- Good side, I made a new friend!!

am i missing something? the judge has never heard of disclosure? my understanding is, you have to have all the evidence the prosicuter has, afterall your innocent till proven guilty, court is supposed to be a level field with everybody having access to all evidence and information.

This kind of stuff is incredible! We are talking about a house that you bought and paid for, and that you pay the city taxes for already! Now this other nonsense in court about not letting you see the evidence.:mad: What hooey!

Those stupid city employees, if they had half a brain, would understand that in order to clean up (in good faith) you need to throw out some stuff into the garbage can. The garbage can needs to hold garbage until pickup time (maybe you need to speak very slowly to them so they comprehend.)

They make the rules and enforce it with all their might. I hate it when common sense goes out the window and all thay can think of is abusing the people they are supposed to serve. All they want to do is justify their existence (you know, they sound an awful lot like the Mafia the way they give you grief).

Good luck and don't blink! :yes:

Did your wife ask to see the pictures, since she is the one be held accountable?
Good thing you got a lawyer, because it seems the Judge is denying her the right to discovery.

Did your wife ask to see the pictures, since she is the one be held accountable?
Good thing you got a lawyer, because it seems the Judge is denying her the right to discovery.

I think they get the pictures for the trial, not the arraignment. I'm not a lawyer, just what I've seen on TV :)

Hang in there, I think they way they are treating you is absolutely horrible.

I had a similar situation after the Northridge EarthQuake in 94.The Property Owner of the house across the street from where I was living at the time kicked his kid out and decided to sell the place.Bad timing right after the earthquake, but Oh well.So after several months go by and he cannot unload the place, guess where he starts.My Chevelle had been parked on the area between my house and the neighbors for about 10 years.It was not lawn or dirt,but concrete pavers.Well I get a notice from Building and Safety that I have to move the Chevelle off the Lawn.I go down to B&S and explane to the inspector that its not Lawn and has not been for more than 10 years.He tells me its not paved so its lawn.Ok so I move the car on to the drive way.Two weeks later I get a notice that I have to remove the non operable vehicle from my property.I call the same guy up and he tells me my car does not have current tags.Well right he is,its on a planned non op from the DMV.I take the paperwork over and show him and he says ok. Two weeks later I get another notice I have to stop working on my cars in the driveway.I did one oil change and it was on a Saturday.I call the guy up again and ask him what I was supposed to be working on.His reply was I was not supposed to be working on anything in the driveway,it had to be done inside the Garage.I told him I would be contacting the City Attorney and His Supervisor.Amazingly everything stopped.

Ken,
This is going to get interesting!
I'll pull up my easy-chair & grab some popcorn.
Between you, your new friend, your wife, and your new lawyer, they are gonna have their hands full!!

Dan

I think they get the pictures for the trial, not the arraignment. I'm not a lawyer, just what I've seen on TV :)

Hang in there, I think they way they are treating you is absolutely horrible.

The problem here is we were accused of violating an ordinance that did not make sense. When asked what we did to violate it they would not tell us. Things will get interesting, I dont know what will come of it. I spent an hour on the phone with John Boehners office yesterday explaining the situation. The assistant I was speaking to was laughing his butt off at the absurdity. Found out that a friend of ours was cited for blight/debris in his yard and fined for -- you ready--- having a stack of firewood next to his house. Another was cited for not getting a permit to put up a swimming pool. Not a permant pool, one of the 12' blue rubber pools from wally world. Its not a permanent pool, take the water out and it folds itself up for storage. He took the pool down but left it in his yard to dry before storing. then he was cited for having a "trip hazard" in his back yard. He told the judge that the pool was down and in his garage, She told him he had to obtain a permit for the pool that is not there, come back to court and show her, and he would only have to pay $140 court cost. If not she would fine him $5000 plus cost. This place is nuts!!!!!!! We're calling city counsel members, mayor, and governor today. We may loose in the end, But hopefully we make enough noise that this crap stops!

This is truly one of the most ridiculous stories I've ever heard. I too refused to live in an area with HOA, especially after a few friends explained the amount of power the HOA has over their houses. I truly wish you the best, too bad you can't file suit against your Nazi. With the way courts are today you'd probably get awarded mental stress and suffering.

I am trying to follow this story but it is confusing. The trash that you put out....was it excessive? (ie: more than you are allowed to put out?) Sometimes people put out so much debris that it is really ridiculous...did you really need to get a dumpster? Also, did you put out that debris way too early? (ie: garbage day is wednesday and you put it out on saturday?)

It seems to me that if neither of the above are true, then there is some other piece of info missing. I truly can't imagine a city inspector citing you for putting your trash out to the curb.....that would mean everyone in your area would've been in court with you. Also, the purpose of an arraignment is to formally charge you and provide you with a copy of the written complaint against you. That paper will specify the date, time and describe how you violated the law. That might not include those photos but at least you should know what law you allegedly violated. You were not provided that?????

Good luck with your fight!:beers:

I am trying to follow this story but it is confusing. The trash that you put out....was it excessive? (ie: more than you are allowed to put out?) Sometimes people put out so much debris that it is really ridiculous...did you really need to get a dumpster? Also, did you put out that debris way too early? (ie: garbage day is wednesday and you put it out on saturday?)

It seems to me that if neither of the above are true, then there is some other piece of info missing. I truly can't imagine a city inspector citing you for putting your trash out to the curb.....that would mean everyone in your area would've been in court with you. Good luck with your fight!:beers:
3 full regular size garbage cans, Not massive piles, just 3 cans. One had some long shelf legs sticking out the top. and a rear spoiler off a 300z tthat I got tired of moving around. Garbage pickup is on wednesday morning (always here before noon). pictures she took were on a monday, day before the cans go out. They were rolled out in front of the garage monday morning. She does this all the time, Targets an area of the city a day or two before garbage collection. The more I check into this the more shady it becomes. The pictures she has ( saw them over her shoulder in court) to justify the charges filed 2 weeks ago, stemming from her complaint in october, Were taken monday. that means she filed the complaint and citations for things we had not done yet!!!!!!!!!!! One of the cars she is claiming has been there since the start of this ordeal (based on pictures I saw) was purchased this past sunday. I guess she expects me to get written approval from her 2 months in advance before purchasing a vehical. She also has pictures of my sons 1978 c10 4x4 (big @$$$ monster truck 12" lift and 40" tires) marked as inoperative. He drives it to work daily!! Now we have to prove that it is and has been operational, Not really sure how to prove that a month ago the truck ran, still does run, and will continue to run!!

EDIT:: There were almost 200 people there for ordinance violations. this court holds sessions 4 days a week. Looking back across the docket it sppears that this is a normal docket. so 600 people a week from a city of 142000 people. some of these are recalls - people returning to provide proof of repairs etc. But its still an insanely high number. they all pay court cost @$140 per citation/appearance. with out fines and only one ticket per person- the city is making approx. $28000 per day on this racket.

3 full regular size garbage cans, Not massive piles, just 3 cans. One had some long shelf legs sticking out the top. and a rear spoiler off a 300z tthat I got tired of moving around. Garbage pickup is on wednesday morning (always here before noon). pictures she took were on a monday, day before the cans go out. They were rolled out in front of the garage monday morning. She does this all the time, Targets an area of the city a day or two before garbage collection. The more I check into this the more shady it becomes. The pictures she has ( saw them over her shoulder in court) to justify the charges filed 2 weeks ago, stemming from her complaint in october, Were taken monday. that means she filed the complaint and citations for things we had not done yet!!!!!!!!!!! One of the cars she is claiming has been there since the start of this ordeal (based on pictures I saw) was purchased this past sunday. I guess she expects me to get written approval from her 2 months in advance before purchasing a vehical. She also has pictures of my sons 1978 c10 4x4 (big @$$$ monster truck 12" lift and 40" tires) marked as inoperative. He drives it to work daily!! Now we have to prove that it is and has been operational, Not really sure how to prove that a month ago the truck ran, still does run, and will continue to run!!

EDIT:: There were almost 200 people there for ordinance violations. this court holds sessions 4 days a week. Looking back across the docket it sppears that this is a normal docket. so 600 people a week from a city of 142000 people. some of these are recalls - people returning to provide proof of repairs etc. But its still an insanely high number. they all pay court cost @$140 per citation/appearance. with out fines and only one ticket per person- the city is making approx. $28000 per day on this racket.


Well you should be able to beat each charge handily...sounds like someone is out of control in your town. I would bring the media in and I would park my arse at the Mayor's office to complain....good luck with this!!!

Check in with the Ohio state Attorney General's office.
Gotta be a way to put these ba$tards out of business.

This isn't citizen control of the community.

Dan

I know it was not a neighbor, I have lived on this street for 35 of my 39 years. I know everyone that lives here. This neighborhood is like Mayberry, There is always a group of kids playing football, basketball, or some sport out front. Neighbors go from house to house to visit for a bit, If they had a probem they would tell me, Most of them hang out and help or work on their own stuff. Its always packed up by dark/9:00pm at the latest so as not to bother anyone. The yard nazi (was told this by one that was fired last year). are given target areas to visit each day, They are told that there is always something that they can site a home owner for. If i still had his name we would call him as a witness. The citations are for a missing piece of siding, its not missing the previous owner painted it black fro some reason. On citation is for unlicensed vehicals, The all are licensed and insured. One is for failure to maintain a parking surface, dont know what they mean by that. my driveway could use replacement, but is in better shape then the street. on is for blight/garbage, This is probably due to my garbage cans being visible from the street if you stand at the dead end and look down the hill. I keep the place pretty clean most of the time, sometimes there may be a day or to when it looks a bit unrully. As an adult I recognize that and take care of it as I dont like my house/yard looking like crap. The city is in need of money as all the business is leaving, There has been mass forclosures of both private and buisness realestate in the area. We refuse to bow to them.

You say you know its not a neighbor, but you also said that the lady that you talked to was a car person, and she saw all that "EQUIPMENT" and figured you were running a shop out of your yard, and that this was ALL SETTLED,,, "THEN YOU HAVE A COURT DATE",,, youve been suckered before , I say someones jealous, of you and they are nearby,,,and it wont quit...

I DONT CARE WHAT FREAKIN TOWN I LIVED IN,if they made me put up CHRISTMAS LIGHTS"or else" charge me to have them do it,,,I would file HARRASSMENT CHARGES,,, and tell them " IM JEWISH" LOOK AT MY PEE PEE----and you will SEE:D ,,, si ?

You say you know its not a neighbor, but you also said that the lady that you talked to was a car person, and she saw all that "EQUIPMENT" and figured you were running a shop out of your yard, and that this was ALL SETTLED,,, "THEN YOU HAVE A COURT DATE",,, youve been suckered before , I say someones jealous, of you and they are nearby,,,and it wont quit...I agree...The guy that did all the complaining about my Chevelle worked for the Studios, and out here that's big money for the city in permits and crap like that, so he had made a few friends in Building and Safety. I'm sorry he picked a crappy time to sell his house. It took me a while to figure out who was doing all the complaining. In your case, I would look at each one of your neighbors very carefully,because someone is unhappy for some reason and your where they have decided to vent the frustration.

as much as I hate to say this .............. do what every it takes to get off this PICKS radar !!

all it that's is a accidental spill to have haz-mat called out & your looking at a few hundred thousand in clean up bills & fines :eek:

& I'm not even going to accuse anyone who might be tempted to do something as lowlife as this :rolleyes:

I'd get a restraining order against this individual just to play along and have a lawyer send her cease and desist warnings on harrasment or risk suit.

I dont get off aholes radars, I put myself sqaure in the middle of theirs. But I am a vengeful person that believes in order for me to get even I go way overboard to damage you, even at the risk of hurting myself. I have a certain amount of pride in my ability to be a far bigger ahole than anyone else out there. I'd blow up my own car just to burn your house down if it came to it. I'd cut off my own finger if the only way to choke you was to lodge it sideways in your throat. I am the king of disproportional responses so stuff like this would make the block hell for everyone on it.

Claim harrasment, racism, you and the wife or whatever else just state that she wont leave you alone and is harassing you through the courts, in person and you have had a few youngsters threaten you and that you "belileve" it was because of her.

Blow it up in her face. Have someone drop junk in her yard late at night and first thing in the morning take pictures of it and file on her.

People play games, I prefer to go to war myself. Old, young...handicapped...I dont care. I believe in equality and diversity.

I wish you the best. Sounds like you have a real bat on your hands. I wouldnt work just to win this case and be done. I would go above and beyond and work to have this bag shut down and to really consider things before she proceeds with other cases.

Bullys dont learn until they are smacked down. People like this dont learn until they not only suffer a loss but a loss that equates to a negative impact on their lives, time and money.

I'd sue the broad over and over again for whatever I wanted even if I knew I would lose. save up, small claims, file...wash, rinse, repeat until she croaked.

If they don't like your trash, get a burn barrel, and see how they like that.

Sue them for violating your civil rights. Sounds like a good case for a class action.

I'm not trying to defend your "government agent" lol, but I work fairly closely at times with our city's code enforcement officer. It is truly amazing what some people consider a normal living environment. Some of the things I've seen are unimagineable. I to, agree with other posters who think someones got it in for you. Our code enforcement officer is too busy with routine inspections (every rental property here has to be inspected every two years) to go out of his way looking for things to "make up". He's told me more than once, that he won't go after somebody unless someone has called in a complaint. How many code officers does your city employ? Our city/town with a population of 24k only has one officer. I would think with a population of 142k, and more than likely an understaffed code department, they wouldn't have time to mess with you unless somebody was bending their ear pretty hard. That, or the fact that you beat them before, and now they've waited for their turn to turn up the heat on you for a while.

I'm not trying to defend your "government agent" lol, but I work fairly closely at times with our city's code enforcement officer. It is truly amazing what some people consider a normal living environment. Some of the things I've seen are unimagineable. I to, agree with other posters who think someones got it in for you. Our code enforcement officer is too busy with routine inspections (every rental property here has to be inspected every two years) to go out of his way looking for things to "make up". He's told me more than once, that he won't go after somebody unless someone has called in a complaint. How many code officers does your city employ? Our city/town with a population of 24k only has one officer. I would think with a population of 142k, and more than likely an understaffed code department, they wouldn't have time to mess with you unless somebody was bending their ear pretty hard. That, or the fact that you beat them before, and now they've waited for their turn to turn up the heat on you for a while.

We have beat them several times before, regarding permits for a fence that was here when I bought the house, permit for the kids club house, chevelle that they decided did not run etc.. Its been a few years since we heard from them. They have been posting stories about the big crack down the are doing city wide for violations, and have authorized overtime for the inspectors to drive around town and look for things to write up. No one has to complain, they get to decided when and what they enforce and what is a violation, I have heard stories of an inspector telling a homeowner that something is ok only to have some one else write them up a week or two later

City ombudsman's office might be another avenue to pursue.

Dan

I'm not trying to defend your "government agent" lol, but I work fairly closely at times with our city's code enforcement officer. It is truly amazing what some people consider a normal living environment.

You have that right! While stationed at Parris Island in the early 90s I worked for base housing for a while, essentially doing "codes enforcement". Lots of interesting stories on that job but the funniest was the guy who had a huge chicken coop in his backyard that was not visible from the road. All the neighbors were complaining about the noise, smell and the crowing at the break of dawn. The owner didn't see what the problem was, cause heck, the one he has back at his daddy's house in Arkansas was at least twice as big!
He got rid of the chickens.

UPDATE: We met with the lawyer wednesday, We still dont know what they are claiming we did to violate the codes. The zoning dept is dragging there feet sending over the requested information. It has been requested 3 times now, so far all the lawyer has recieved is 3 copies of the citations and no explanation of the charges. The yard nazi has been back 3 times taking pictures of the house and driveway. We go to court on the 9th, I imagine shell be back again monday or tuesday. According to the lawyer this is there normal course of action..

UPDATE: We met with the lawyer wednesday, We still dont know what they are claiming we did to violate the codes. The zoning dept is dragging there feet sending over the requested information. It has been requested 3 times now, so far all the lawyer has recieved is 3 copies of the citations and no explanation of the charges. The yard nazi has been back 3 times taking pictures of the house and driveway. We go to court on the 9th, I imagine shell be back again monday or tuesday. According to the lawyer this is there normal course of action..

Don't set anything outside or the witch will nail you. :noway:

My wife is going to start taking pictures of her taking pictures of the house. I was planning on pulling all 4 wheels of the wifes van every monday morning, then putting them back on tuesday night so the lady would have pictures of a car on jack stands that appears to never move. Wife thought it might upset the judge if we have to explaine.

I run all sorts of repairs outta my house... 90% of the time you get one of those letters, it is because a neighbor called you in.... need to offer more free oil changes! lol if they are ur cars and such, you should be in the clear. But however you cannot leave parts laying out, tools, and torndown cars without being covered. The canopy as well is not permanent (gotta take down after each day). Clean out your garage and push it in at night...

Here they will try and fine you for a hazardous spill for a large enough oil stain on the driveway! Their claim is the rain water will wash it off and down the storm sewer! Not talking an oil puddle but the stain left after you clean up the mess!
Every time they get one on my sons blacktop drive we clean it up with floor dry then scrub it with powdered laundry soap then after dry recoat the spot with sealer!:)

UPDATE: We met with the lawyer wednesday, We still dont know what they are claiming we did to violate the codes. The zoning dept is dragging there feet sending over the requested information. It has been requested 3 times now, so far all the lawyer has recieved is 3 copies of the citations and no explanation of the charges. The yard nazi has been back 3 times taking pictures of the house and driveway. We go to court on the 9th, I imagine shell be back again monday or tuesday. According to the lawyer this is there normal course of action..


I am not really sure they have to EXPLAIN your charges...they are required to furnish you a written copy of the charges against you, which you say you did get. Usually the written copy includes date, time and what the charge is. Your papers don't have that information????

Also, court procedures usually dictate what materials you are entitled to, and at what point in the proceedings you are entitled to receive them.

I have to agree that you have a neighbor that does not like what is going on in your yard. Someone close to you is blowing you in.

I'm with Beaux-go Nuclear on her butt!!

Also, get a hold of the local TV station and talk to them about your situation. See if there are any 'investigative reporters' that want to make a name for themselves over city harrassment!

Make this thing loud & public! Get the judge's name out there, and keep it out there. This is crap!

The inspector is a human piece of trash.He knows someone big with the city hall and got the job as the bigest azzhole in town.This idiot will get clasic cars scraped and has no clue that these cars are good restoreables or drivers.You will see this jerk takeing measurements of bumpers that are over the sidewalk by 1/2 an inch and writeing tickets for them.They have taken me out and a few of my freinds and we lost alot of clasic cars.The idiot inspectors in the town next to me tryed to take out a junk yard owner that had more money than the township.There are 2 banks in that town and they stay in bussiness because of his money.The township did fight him and the township lost with money problems and he got even by starting a pig farm,lama farm and dwarf horse farm along with his junkyard.PIGS ARE PERFECT

Im sure things will get worse before they get better, But I ve lived here my entire life and refuse to be intimidated by her. I grew up in this neighborhood, bought a house for doors down from my parents, We know everyone, everyones family, kids, relatives etc. I refuse to be bullied by this women (by the way, she doesn't even live in this city). We may not win this, but we will leave an everlasting impression on her and the city. We are still trying to get an appointment with the mayor, My wife is calling to talk to the state attorney generals office tomorrow, We have already spoken to our state reps office (john boehner), they are waiting for more info as soon as we get it. We have been going threw court dockets and talking to other people that have had charges against them, In the process of organzing every one for a mass appearance at the city council meetings/ and possible class action lawsuit. in addition to all of that, We have discovered that there is a clause in the city law that addresses classic/ collector cars specifically. I can have as many as I please, unlicensed, inoperable, dismantled, etc. I have to cover them if the city requests it via certified mail, which they have not. that is the only stipulation. Turns out I can also park farm equipment in front yard if I choose ( looking at buying an old rusty combine just to prove a point).
it appears that thry expect people to just bend over and pay because they say so. They rely on peoples ignorance of the law and codes. they expect people to follow blindly, not happening this time

Unless you stand up to a bully, they will continue to repeat the same behavior. If more people do what you're doing, the city may well decide that it is costing them too much money.

On the ticket or citation there should be a code 124.123 Go to library look it up in code book. Guess how I learned this .3 tickets for parking car for sale on landscaping ie grass.All 3 were half priced but they wouldnt tell what the violation was.Had to find by asking an officer I knew. Couldnt read the numbers.He made me a copy of it and the code Now he lets me know if im in trouble.Find this out before you go to court so you dont get stuck with court costs. Good luck

ya, i live in los angeles county, and i had one of those tarped enclosures from cosctco that people use to park boats, cars, trucks, and rv's in. I used it to keep my elco and chevelle out of the sun/rain, basically to protect them from the elements... well i got a notice from the department of building and safety saying that someone had reported me using my residence as a facility to run my business out of. had to have the b&s inspector come out and question me and inspect the property, he told me to clean some things up, then had to have him come back to ok the things i had been, "ORDERED" to do. Had to be a neighbor that drove by and didnt like the way our house "looked". anyway havent had a problem since, knock on wood.

I'm with Beaux-go Nuclear on her butt!!

Also, get a hold of the local TV station and talk to them about your situation. See if there are any 'investigative reporters' that want to make a name for themselves over city harrassment!

Make this thing loud & public! Get the judge's name out there, and keep it out there. This is crap!


I agree! Blow this up to the local news media, paper, heck, call Fox News. Bill O' Reily may find this interesting.



The inspector is a human piece of trash.He knows someone big with the city hall and got the job as the bigest azzhole in town.This idiot will get clasic cars scraped and has no clue that these cars are good restoreables or drivers.You will see this jerk takeing measurements of bumpers that are over the sidewalk by 1/2 an inch and writeing tickets for them.They have taken me out and a few of my freinds and we lost alot of clasic cars.The idiot inspectors in the town next to me tryed to take out a junk yard owner that had more money than the township.There are 2 banks in that town and they stay in bussiness because of his money.The township did fight him and the township lost with money problems and he got even by starting a pig farm,lama farm and dwarf horse farm along with his junkyard.PIGS ARE PERFECT

It is a damn shame that the EPA nazis, enviro-al gore-azz kissers, and greedy SOB's try to get all these small business junkyards bankrupt and crushed. All that metal going off to overseas countries and mexico. I'd like to crush their little cookie cutter "green" cars with them in it!! I'd enjoy every milisecond. :mad: I'm glad the junkyard onwer won, God Bless the man.




Im sure things will get worse before they get better, But I ve lived here my entire life and refuse to be intimidated by her. I grew up in this neighborhood, bought a house for doors down from my parents, We know everyone, everyones family, kids, relatives etc. I refuse to be bullied by this women (by the way, she doesn't even live in this city). We may not win this, but we will leave an everlasting impression on her and the city. We are still trying to get an appointment with the mayor, My wife is calling to talk to the state attorney generals office tomorrow, We have already spoken to our state reps office (john boehner), they are waiting for more info as soon as we get it. We have been going threw court dockets and talking to other people that have had charges against them, In the process of organzing every one for a mass appearance at the city council meetings/ and possible class action lawsuit. in addition to all of that, We have discovered that there is a clause in the city law that addresses classic/ collector cars specifically. I can have as many as I please, unlicensed, inoperable, dismantled, etc. I have to cover them if the city requests it via certified mail, which they have not. that is the only stipulation. Turns out I can also park farm equipment in front yard if I choose ( looking at buying an old rusty combine just to prove a point).
it appears that thry expect people to just bend over and pay because they say so. They rely on peoples ignorance of the law and codes. they expect people to follow blindly, not happening this time

Kick their butt! Track down the code numbers as said earlier, find these codes you found and take them to court. They could help save your hide. Church is not over until the fat attorny screams! :yes:

We already looked up the codes, None of them make any sense. One states that there is a missing piece of siding, which there is not. One claims we have garbage/trash piled on the premisis, which we do not. one claims we have unlicensed vehicals on the property, which we do not. one says we are not maintaining a parking surface, i have a blacktop drive way and a concrete pad, both are clean and in decent condition. The are required to disclose all evidence, this is common in a criminal matter. We have requested the evidence on multiple occasions but have yet to recieve it. The lawyer asked if we had addressed the issues that we were charged with, Told him we cabt because we don't know what the issues are. Make no mistake, this is all about money, The city was bragging in the local paper and city newsletter about the increased income they are recieving from zoning violations..

Man Ktrim, I feel for you, I DONT KNOW WHY I DIDNT SAY THIS BEFORE, probably because I had to deal with CODE ENFORCEMENT so much,,but your trouble sounded like a bad neighbor, Ive had that too,, ANYWAY,,I was renting a house when me and my wife were younger and my son was like 4-5 and this house was on my old block where I grew up,anyway the Humane Society came to my door and said there was a report " that my dog didnt have food or water, well you couldnt tell from outside the back-yard but the dog had a FULL 5 gallon bucket and plenty of food, and I showed the Humane society this,,,I LOVE THIS DOG and saved it from a crank-coke meth heds house his dog had pups" and his his kid was tryin to drowned them in a EMPTY TOILET," I say empty" cause I noticed it first and pulled the pups out",,thank god it was clean water,,well flash forward,, a couple years later they are at the house again,,tellin me the same thing,, so this time a neighbor tells me whos doin the reporting,,turns out it was a old guy on the block who caught me in a compromising position with his younger daughter""at the age of like 7-8 mind you,, they used to babysit me,,so I called the Humane society and I explained how I keep getting these false reports ,and since he was considered a CITY OFFICIAL,,,:: " ISNT THAT ILLEGAL-reporting a false report to a CITY Official,, and a waste of theyre TIME, he said he would keep an eye on the case ,,, AND I WASNT PICKED ON AGAIN,,
I also caught this D%&$. walkin out from the side of my HOUSE at 5 am,"he said my dog was freakin out barkin ,,I heard nothin.... and I told him he came real close to being HAMMERED ON and TACKLED,,,dum ol coot...

a year or so LATER he was at it again turning OTHER PEOPLE IN,,turns out he was MISERABLE his "'bich wife" told him to stop drinkin so much,, and he was bored...

ARMED WITH COOKIE DOUGH,,,,,,,,THIS ONE IS FOR THE SHERRIFS office in SARPY COUNTY NEBRASKA,, AND THE IDIOT BELLEVUE POLICE,,, one day my kid had some werds with a older kid,he was like 10 at the time,and the next day his cousins are over and the kid he had trouble with was walkin by and my boys cousins were bigger -not older just bigger and they spooked him into the neighbors house, well he refused to leave,, and hes in there with a couple of little girls,one of whom had a mom who hated my loud Kawasaki 1000,and these little kids get the idea to call the POLICE,well IDIOT BELLEVUE POLICE SHOW UP,,and listen to the little girls complaints and the boys "TROUBLES".. and they come up to my house and ask me what the problem is and why Im waiving a GUN AROUND UP HERE,,,IM like WHAT ! !I dont own a gun, and I havent stepped out of the house ALL DAY LONG,, and they proceed to ask me, were you ridin your motorcycle across peoples LAWNS " my BIKE was a DRAG BIKE stretchen LOWERED with House of Kolors paint etc.,.. so I showed the cop the bike and said I didnt drive on anybodys lawn ,, and it was a WEEK ago since I rode it,,when I did,, I turned around at the bottom of the HILL and my tire entered the girls driveway like 4 INCHES,,, STUPID BRATT KIDS,,,and I toold him the only thing Ive had in my hand all day was COOKIE DOUGH" I WAS MAKIN COOKIES FOR THE COUSINS IN APPRECIATION FOR THEM BACKIN UP MY KID""I told this COP,, :"you need to quit listening to little GURLS""he said "IM NOT LISTENING TO LITTLE GURLS SIR"raising his VOICE TO ME,,,... and I proceeded with "YOU KNOW THERE AINT A SANE SOBER ADULT SEEN ME DO ANYTHING YOUR SAYIN,,, he went down and TALKED WITH THE LITTLE GURLS MORE and came back and said"": A WEEK AGO YOU WERE OUT IN THE YARD POINTING A GUN UP AT THE TREES",,,, I said SURE ,,, " a week ago my kid threw his shoe up in a tree and I was shooting it DOWN"BB-gun,,:yes: and whut does that have to do with TODAY,,, THE COPS APPLOGIZED AND LEFT,,,

I waited a day and had my MOM call... "I told her the STORY- and explained how this needs to be STOPPED" she -- REPORTED A GUY WALKING AROUND THEYRE HOUSE WITH A GUN,,,SWAT TEAM SHOWED UP IN SUBURBANS WITH DOGS a RUNNIN,,, cops came to my house and told us,, WE SEARCHED AROUND AND FOUND NOBODY,, I SAID " GO FIGURE" and WALKED INTO THE HOUSE leaving the COPS STANDIN THERE SHRUGGIN THEYRE SHOULDERS,,,, AND GOT AWAY WITH IT,,,, AN EYE FOR AN EYE,, BELLEVUE POLICE QUIT COMIN TO MY DOOR AFTER THAT,,,GO FIGURE,,,

my wife worked at a Restaruant and one of the security cops was ON THE SWAT TEAM in BELLEVUE,,she tried to get THEYRE OPINION out of him, about HOW STUPID THE WHOLE THING WAS,, HE SAID NO COMMENT,,, you know who you ARE ROGER,, to bad you SOLD a LS6 454 -4 speed NOVA, for your 2000 SS CAMARO, and THAT BAGGER HARLEY ---,,, "GET A CAR THAT BIKES A PIG" -- PIG:D

"DONT LET NOBODY GANG UP ON YA NOT EVEN THE STUPID POLICE"
HEY THATS A NEW JOB DESCRIPTION, we need POLICE to keep an eye on the dumber POLICE,, we could call them THE "STUPID POLICE"
ALL THIS BECAUSE OF " LYING" KIDS protecting theyre CURB,,, and one BRATT starting chit with my boy---- UNREAL---he ran to little gurlz for help PATHETIC,,, his UNCLE CALLED IN A BOMB THREAT ONCE WHEN HE DIDNT WANT TO GO TO HIS JOB ONE DAY,,, RETARDED FAMILY,,, they later moved off the BLOCK QUICKLY AND QUIETLY,, and said not a word to NOONE,, THIS IS A RANT BUT ITS TRUE:yes:

ARMED WITH COOKIE DOUGH,,,,,,,,THIS ONE IS FOR THE SHERRIFS office in SARPY COUNTY NEBRASKA,, AND THE IDIOT BELLEVUE POLICE,,, one day my kid had some werds with a older kid,he was like 10 at the time,and the next day his cousins are over and the kid he had trouble with was walkin by and my boys cousins were bigger -not older just bigger and they spooked him into the neighbors house, well he refused to leave,, and hes in there with a couple of little girls,one of whom had a mom who hated my loud Kawasaki 1000,and these little kids get the idea to call the POLICE,well IDIOT BELLEVUE POLICE SHOW UP,,and listen to the little girls complaints and the boys "TROUBLES".. and they come up to my house and ask me what the problem is and why Im waiving a GUN AROUND UP HERE,,,IM like WHAT ! !I dont own a gun, and I havent stepped out of the house ALL DAY LONG,, and they proceed to ask me, were you ridin your motorcycle across peoples LAWNS " my BIKE was a DRAG BIKE stretchen LOWERED with House of Kolors paint etc.,.. so I showed the cop the bike and said I didnt drive on anybodys lawn ,, and it was a WEEK ago since I rode it,,when I did,, I turned around at the bottom of the HILL and my tire entered the girls driveway like 4 INCHES,,, STUPID BRATT KIDS,,,and I toold him the only thing Ive had in my hand all day was COOKIE DOUGH" I WAS MAKIN COOKIES FOR THE COUSINS IN APPRECIATION FOR THEM BACKIN UP MY KID""I told this COP,, :"you need to quit listening to little GURLS""he said "IM NOT LISTENING TO LITTLE GURLS SIR"raising his VOICE TO ME,,,... and I proceeded with "YOU KNOW THERE AINT A SANE SOBER ADULT SEEN ME DO ANYTHING YOUR SAYIN,,, he went down and TALKED WITH THE LITTLE GURLS MORE and came back and said"": A WEEK AGO YOU WERE OUT IN THE YARD POINTING A GUN UP AT THE TREES",,,, I said SURE ,,, " a week ago my kid threw his shoe up in a tree and I was shooting it DOWN"BB-gun,,:yes: and whut does that have to do with TODAY,,, THE COPS APPLOGIZED AND LEFT,,,

I waited a day and had my MOM call... "I told her the STORY- and explained how this needs to be STOPPED" she -- REPORTED A GUY WALKING AROUND THEYRE HOUSE WITH A GUN,,,SWAT TEAM SHOWED UP IN SUBURBANS WITH DOGS a RUNNIN,,, cops came to my house and told us,, WE SEARCHED AROUND AND FOUND NOBODY,, I SAID " GO FIGURE" and WALKED INTO THE HOUSE leaving the COPS STANDIN THERE SHRUGGIN THEYRE SHOULDERS,,,, AND GOT AWAY WITH IT,,,, AN EYE FOR AN EYE,, BELLEVUE POLICE QUIT COMIN TO MY DOOR AFTER THAT,,,GO FIGURE,,,

my wife worked at a Restaruant and one of the security cops was ON THE SWAT TEAM in BELLEVUE,,she tried to get THEYRE OPINION out of him, about HOW STUPID THE WHOLE THING WAS,, HE SAID NO COMMENT,,, you know who you ARE ROGER,, to bad you SOLD a LS6 454 -4 speed NOVA, for your 2000 SS CAMARO, and THAT BAGGER HARLEY ---,,, "GET A CAR THAT BIKES A PIG" -- PIG:D

"DONT LET NOBODY GANG UP ON YA NOT EVEN THE STUPID POLICE"
HEY THATS A NEW JOB DESCRIPTION, we need POLICE to keep an eye on the dumber POLICE,, we could call them THE "STUPID POLICE"
ALL THIS BECAUSE OF " LYING" KIDS protecting theyre CURB,,, and one BRATT starting chit with my boy---- UNREAL---he ran to little gurlz for help PATHETIC,,, his UNCLE CALLED IN A BOMB THREAT ONCE WHEN HE DIDNT WANT TO GO TO HIS JOB ONE DAY,,, RETARDED FAMILY,,, they later moved off the BLOCK QUICKLY AND QUIETLY,, and said not a word to NOONE,, THIS IS A RANT BUT ITS TRUE:yes:


Ummm.....no offense but did you just say your mom did the same thing that guy did.....you know, the thing you called him a retard for?????

Calling in a "man with a gun call" is about the dumbest thing she/you could have done. You can't see the hypocrisy there????

These Bellevue cops are ,one sided and they used to pick on me with my HOT-RODZ when I was younger,SO I feel they learned a lesson , accusing me of crap, when they are fielding CALLs from children,, these cops had a guy try to drive off on them at a roadside stop, and they shot at the kid,THEY WERE FIRED,, these fools SHOT AND KILLED A DOG during a call AND HIGH FIVED EACH OTHER AFTERWARDS,and the LANDLORD OFFERED TO give them a key and warned about the DOG and OFFERED TO REMOVE IT FIRST,,

Make no mistake, this is all about money, The city was bragging in the local paper and city newsletter about the increased income they are recieving from zoning violations..

Make a copy of this article and enlarge it so if you go to trial you can present it as evidence..... :yes:

Any updates!???????

Does your ex still have an ax to grind

Any updates?

Recieved the paperwork via discovery monday. We now have proof that we are being railroaded!!! The original paper work we recieved in august was an order to remove my mother in laws car from the grass (parked next to drive over night during a tune up). The charges file stated we did not do remove the vehical as ordered - it was there for less then 24 hours, Now including My 67 camaro, 70 chevelle, sons 78 pickup, neighbors jeep (parked in street around the corner), other neighbors s10 4x4 (parked across the street). august paper work stated that a piece of siding was missing (not missing, its painted black/trim) charges filed state we didn't fix the broken garage door and gutter as ordered -- Gutter and door are not broken and never have been. Prior to yesterday we had never been informed of this issue they claim we have. They are claiming that the concrete pad adjacent to my garage and attached to my drive way is not concrete! Heres the best part-- She provided pictures of my garbage cans as proof to the charge of debris and garbage on the premises. Imagine that, we put garbage in our cans. if it doesn't fit in the can it is place next to the can. If you take pictures the day before garbage collection, good chance you'll see full garbage cans. She has been here every monday or tuesday for 6 weeks, prior to that it was every other week. Her paper work does not notate this. The pictures she provided doe not include anything from the original visit back in august, none from september, 1 set from the end of october, and begining of november. I was little upset yesterday, spent the day on the phone. spoke to the mayors office (mayor was not available), city council office (no one available), attorney general office (cant investigate but will file a complaint), and governors office. After raising hell with all of them, I recieved a call from the head of zoning. I wants to come by this morning to go over the charges and explain what the violations are. He assured me it was not a personal thing, He was not aware and does not know why she was here so often. Explaine to him that his department and employee have already surpassed the point of harassment, his actions today would determine wether charges are filed. We still have to go to court at 2:30 this afternoon regardless of what happens this morning. Hopefully after the personal butt whipping, well give them a legal butt whipping.

Incredible, sounds like she is trying to make a name for herself with the amount of "enforcing" she does. I really like how you're being ticketed for the neighbor's vehicle.

I forgot to mention, in a letter to the judge they state that they will not drop the charges because they filed charges in 2001 that were dismissed by the court. (tried to force us to get a permit for the kids club house, and I threw the old kitchen cabinets out on the corner for pickup the day before garbage collection). basically they lost before and there upset about it.

I hope you do give them a legal butt kicking. I'd kick her/their butt all the way to end of the county. It is amazing in a proud country such as yours, where freedom of expression, freedom to bear arms, freedom for just about anything that is fundamental to any society, your freedoms are being trampled on so blatantly. Here in Canada, the right to bear arms is and always has been, non existant. If I were in your shoes, I'd hire a lawyer to tackle this travesty and sue the bastards even if they settled or wanted to withdraw the charges. Then I'd put a for sale sign on the lawn to move.

Sounds like the Woman who is targetting you is just a total see you next tuesday kind of girl. She might even have a crush on you, knows she cant have you sort of thing and is pulling a fatal-attraction episode.

Good luck today and keep us posted!

Spend some money, hire an attorney, and sue the city. It will be worth it when you are done. I'd ask your attorney about sueing the individual as well as the city. If they agree to back down, sue them anyway.

Spend some money, hire an attorney, and sue the city. It will be worth it when you are done. I'd ask your attorney about sueing the individual as well as the city. If they agree to back down, sue them anyway.

Finally something worth suing over.

Hang in there Ken and don't back down. I believe you will will come out on top of this mess.

man sounds like a load of crap!!
this is why i moved out in the sticks!! my closest neighbor is 1/4 mile away and my brother in law!!
pic from this morning see the house way down the road thats my neighbor!! LOL
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Tonystoys123/different%20stuff/Picture053.jpg

oh and anyone in a suit with a clipboard at my door is usually met with one of these in hand
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Tonystoys123/different%20stuff/Picture374.jpg

oh and anyone in a suit with a clipboard at my door is usually met with one of these in hand
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Tonystoys123/different%20stuff/Picture374.jpg

Thats really going to suck if you win publishers clearing house. I dont know that they present checks while running away screaming.

I usually use my hands to greet people. Involves a middle finger or a handshake. But I do beat up anyone that comes to my door in a suit with nunchucks.....truth be told - it was one hell of a way to meet my father in law for the first time but after he came to and I explained my "man at my door in a suit standards" we had a chuckle....enough that his stitches split. To this day we still giggle when the plate in his head sets off metal detectors.

oh and anyone in a suit with a clipboard at my door is usually met with one of these in hand
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Tonystoys123/different%20stuff/Picture374.jpg

I remember back when one guy that did that and the squad riddled him with 50 some bullets. (he didn't have the guts to ever do that again) :D

Unbelievable load of crap today!!!! This morning the head of the zoning department was supposed to stop by to explaine the allegations that we found out during discovery. Turns out he was too busy to show up, so he sent the inspector that files the charges. We spoke for a bit about the allegations, Made her point at and touch everything she claimed was a problem. thanked her for her time and she left, thought it went well. Fast forward 3 hours at the court house. Our attorney, The zoning inpsector, and prosecutor disappear into a conference room. A few minutes later our attorney comes out, his face is bright red, he is noticably angry. The attorney speaks to the judge and has the case continued until janury 14th. We leave the court room and speak to the attorney in private where he informs us the this Self rightous Bi### has amend the charges to include issues that she saww while at our house today. According to her I know have to replace the boards around my garage door, Replace a bent section of chain link fence (tree branch fell on it a few months ago) replace 15 cracked boards on my privacy fence, move my garbage cans, remove debris from the back yard ( hose to drain water off my pool cover). and a few other things I cant think of at the moment. They are insisting that my wife be find $5000 and placed on probation for 2 years. These are CRIMINAL charges. for the rest of her life, if convicted , She will have to explaine why she has a criminal record to any potential employer!!! The lawyer told us that when he approched the judge, she said "they changed the charges again didn't they". from what we have been told, they do this all the time, its common practice. I spent an hour on the phone with a city council member regarding these issues. He did not believe me when I told him what is happening, thought I was exaggerating. So I gave him a few names of people that I had spoke to that had had the same expierence. He assures me that he will get to the bottom of it (:noway: I doubt it). We have contacted the local newspapers & television stations, Waiting on return calls. Thats where we're at now-- Keep in mind, I HAVE NO JOB, regardless of what she wants I couldn't pay for repairs if I wanted to. SHE IS AWARE OF THIS

oh and anyone in a suit with a clipboard at my door is usually met with one of these in hand
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Tonystoys123/different%20stuff/Picture374.jpgNot that I'm "Paranoid"(I do live in California) I would be very careful posting pictures of any weapons that I own.One never knows who is looking at what.Just my .02.

The actions of the prosecutor and the agent today make it obvious that they have some sort of vendetta against your family. The only thing left now is to go the press and get them onboard. Tell your story honestly and point out the bogus charges and that you are being charged for things (like vehicles parked that dont even belong to you) you dont even own. I thought they did away with witch hunts back in the 1700's but I can see that they are still going strong even today.

Good luck!

They're upping the stakes, hoping you'll fold...

PLEASE continue the fight!

Not that I'm "Paranoid"(I do live in California) I would be very careful posting pictures of any weapons that I own.One never knows who is looking at what.Just my .02.

never said they were all mine and as far as being riddled with 50 rounds when comming to the door my jack russels would alert me to anyone much less 10-20 people in my yard!
any and all weapons i posses are all legal and documented!
i have a right to bare arms and i to the fullest extent of the law enjoy that right!!
by the way i bought my last 2 (AR15 and sks ) from local PD with whom im very friendly with!!

Thats really going to suck if you win publishers clearing house. I dont know that they present checks while running away screaming.

I usually use my hands to greet people. Involves a middle finger or a handshake. But I do beat up anyone that comes to my door in a suit with nunchucks.....truth be told - it was one hell of a way to meet my father in law for the first time but after he came to and I explained my "man at my door in a suit standards" we had a chuckle....enough that his stitches split. To this day we still giggle when the plate in his head sets off metal detectors.

if i see a big check i will hand the gun to my wife but usually its some dumb arse drunk city tard lost on his way to his summer (trailer) past out in my yard at 3 a.m. in his running escilade that craps himself when i tap on the window with my colt .357 asking what the freak he`s doin! LOL

never said they were all mine and as far as being riddled with 50 rounds when comming to the door my jack russels would alert me to anyone much less 10-20 people in my yard!
any and all weapons i posses are all legal and documented!
i have a right to bare arms and i to the fullest extent of the law enjoy that right!!
by the way i bought my last 2 (AR15 and sks ) from local PD with whom im very friendly with!!


Well, ALLRIGHTY then.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/swat-team-at-abraxas_145001.jpg

I think you might be outnumbered though. :D

Well, ALLRIGHTY then.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/swat-team-at-abraxas_145001.jpg

I think you might be outnumbered though. :D
They don't scare me, only one of 'em has a magazine in his rifle... the rest must carry a single round in their shirt pocket like Barney Fife. l:)

Are those guys code-enforcement? ;)

Barney Fife. l:)

Unbelievable load of crap today!!!! This morning the head of the zoning department was supposed to stop by to explaine the allegations that we found out during discovery. Turns out he was too busy to show up, so he sent the inspector that files the charges. We spoke for a bit about the allegations, Made her point at and touch everything she claimed was a problem. thanked her for her time and she left, thought it went well. Fast forward 3 hours at the court house. Our attorney, The zoning inpsector, and prosecutor disappear into a conference room. A few minutes later our attorney comes out, his face is bright red, he is noticably angry. The attorney speaks to the judge and has the case continued until janury 14th. We leave the court room and speak to the attorney in private where he informs us the this Self rightous Bi### has amend the charges to include issues that she saww while at our house today. According to her I know have to replace the boards around my garage door, Replace a bent section of chain link fence (tree branch fell on it a few months ago) replace 15 cracked boards on my privacy fence, move my garbage cans, remove debris from the back yard ( hose to drain water off my pool cover). and a few other things I cant think of at the moment. They are insisting that my wife be find $5000 and placed on probation for 2 years. These are CRIMINAL charges. for the rest of her life, if convicted , She will have to explaine why she has a criminal record to any potential employer!!! The lawyer told us that when he approched the judge, she said "they changed the charges again didn't they". from what we have been told, they do this all the time, its common practice. I spent an hour on the phone with a city council member regarding these issues. He did not believe me when I told him what is happening, thought I was exaggerating. So I gave him a few names of people that I had spoke to that had had the same expierence. He assures me that he will get to the bottom of it (:noway: I doubt it). We have contacted the local newspapers & television stations, Waiting on return calls. Thats where we're at now-- Keep in mind, I HAVE NO JOB, regardless of what she wants I couldn't pay for repairs if I wanted to. SHE IS AWARE OF THIS

No job nothing to lose get the hell out move to where a job is and find out where this issue having b#^&* lives and start reporting her for issues with the city trash in cans ect...

not all lawyers and judicial systems work!!
when i was 19 i was at a bar drinking (21 is legal age in IL) made a bad choice to give a drunk a ride home for 50 bucks when i returned without the guy 5 squads surrounded me and charged me with armed robbery of the bar??
appearantly the loser i drove home stuck a gun in the bartenders face earlier and the wuss didnt do crap till i came back and called the cops saying i was in on it with this guy (never met before)??
fast forward to monday morning in court my lawyer says plead guilty for a reduced sentance?? what i told him to go f himself and he was fired!!
asked the judge to speak with him and informed him of my situation and that i would be sueing the bar, county,and police for false arrest as soon as i contacted a real lawyer
and also informed the judge that i was 19 and drinking in the bar where i was arrested!!
asked if i should go on?
the judge informed the bar owner, arresting officer of my statement and all charges were instantly dropped?? you have to man up or the system will railroad you!!
if you are in the wrong fix it, if you are innocent shove it down their throat!!

say you have no job and cant fix things?? you have plenty of time and can find resources for repairs (broken fences cash in collected aluminum cans and buy some cheap lumber and fix it)
i have done some crap jobs in my life to pay my own way (what ever it takes!!!!)

[QUOTE=camarofreak;2651426] you have to man up or the system will railroad you!!
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[QUOTE=camarofreak;2651426] you have to man up or the system will railroad you!!
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You would have been better off to give in to their demands. Now they are going to get a judgement against you that you cannot pay ($5000) and it will take some time, but they are going to own your place if you keep this up.
They'll put a lien on your property to satisfy the debt.

We've had a long ongoing case here about a guy who was doing all kinds of illegal stuff on his property and I think he's doing 30 days right now.
The city has threatened that if he doesn't meet their demands and clean up his place, they are going to do it for him and send him a bill.

The more you fight them, the more they will want to make an example out of you.

What do you think the rest of the town is going to think if they let you slide? they have to make an example out of you to save face. Otherwise everybody else in town is going to think they can get away with whatever.

Worst thing you could do is get the TV and papers involved. It's just going to make you look real bad in the end. You probably won't win. Your lawyer should have already told you this.

See if you can work out a deal to fix the problems and appease them. Ask for time to do this.
They'll completely lighten up once they see you are willing to make an effort.

The more you fight them, the worse it is going to get.

Now you're putting your wifes record in jeopardy?
Time to stand down.

I've been following this thread and I wouldn't give you this advice unless I thought it was right.
For some reason I envision your front yard and driveway cluttered with cars and tools and parts. The neighbors had to have a good enough reason to complain and the county/city code enforcement had to have a good enough reason to pursue you once they saw what you were doing.
I think this might be a case of "we're only hearing one side of the story" ???

I'm not taking sides, just trying to help you approach this with a little less testosterone !

Don't get mad at me. If you don't like anything I have said, then discard it. But do give it some thought, will ya.

Maybe you've done nothing wrong and you'll be awarded a huge harrasment case settlement from the city. Your lawyer should have been able to tell you if that's what's going to happen, already.

Good luck !

You can't fight city hall. You will probably keep digging this whole deeper and deeper. Sounds like you may have allready let it get to a point of no return. Bad, but most all the city people will stick together, whether they are right or wrong. I hope you get thru it ok, but I don't think it looks good from what you are reporting.

It's easy for people on the internet to encourage you to fight, talk about guns and all the other comments of what they would do or what you should do. None of those people will have to bear the consequences. Listen to what your lawyer says and see if there is some way he can work out a settlement to stop the whole deal. Probably best for you in the long run. Good luck.

You would have been better off to give in to their demands. Now they are going to get a judgement against you that you cannot pay ($5000) and it will take some time, but they are going to own your place if you keep this up.
They'll put a lien on your property to satisfy the debt.

We've had a long ongoing case here about a guy who was doing all kinds of illegal stuff on his property and I think he's doing 30 days right now.
The city has threatened that if he doesn't meet their demands and clean up his place, they are going to do it for him and send him a bill.

The more you fight them, the more they will want to make an example out of you.

What do you think the rest of the town is going to think if they let you slide? they have to make an example out of you to save face. Otherwise everybody else in town is going to think they can get away with whatever.

Worst thing you could do is get the TV and papers involved. It's just going to make you look real bad in the end. You probably won't win. Your lawyer should have already told you this.

See if you can work out a deal to fix the problems and appease them. Ask for time to do this.
They'll completely lighten up once they see you are willing to make an effort.

The more you fight them, the worse it is going to get.

Now you're putting your wifes record in jeopardy?
Time to stand down.

I've been following this thread and I wouldn't give you this advice unless I thought it was right.
For some reason I envision your front yard and driveway cluttered with cars and tools and parts. The neighbors had to have a good enough reason to complain and the county/city code enforcement had to have a good enough reason to pursue you once they saw what you were doing.
I think this might be a case of "we're only hearing one side of the story" ???

I'm not taking sides, just trying to help you approach this with a little less testosterone !

Don't get mad at me. If you don't like anything I have said, then discard it. But do give it some thought, will ya.

Maybe you've done nothing wrong and you'll be awarded a huge harrasment case settlement from the city. Your lawyer should have been able to tell you if that's what's going to happen, already.

Good luck !

The problem is every time they say something needs done, it is usually done prior to their request, once they realize it they change what they want done. there is no pleasing them, they want a conviction to add to there list and nothing less will please them. I will post pictures later today so you can have an Idea of what we are facing. Don't think for a minute that we are the only people this has happened to, Its been happening to many familys across town. Yesterday there was man, lives around the corner from me, That had been charged and was found guilty of having "to much firewood". he had 12 cords on a 3 acre lot, heats primarly with wood. He asked how much he was permitted to have and was told that it was up to the zoning inspector discretion. I dont care who you are and where you live, this is wrong. I live on a dead end street off of a dead end street, most of the problems she is charging us with can only be seen if your standing in my backyard or in a line of bushes/treeline seperating my yard from a 200 acre field. I guess a cracked piece of prrivacy fence is upsetting the deer, coyotes, and rabbits living next door

I do find it unusual that the city is ticketing you for a fence. Hell we had some big rain storms in San Diego area 3 days ago, my back yard fence BLEW AWAY!(it was old) My neighbor that share's the fence can't afford to help replace it and I really don't have that much extra cash, this was discussed when I bought the house in Sept. We're making due for now, hope the city understands. Good luck to you, I hope you are treated fairly.

I've been thinking ever since this thread started that the easiest and best thing to do would be clean your place up. JMHO.

I've been thinking ever since this thread started that the easiest and best thing to do would be clean your place up. JMHO.


Ken, I really don't want to offend here, but I was thinking the same thing as what is stated above. I don't think these inspectors are trying to "get another conviction to add to their list" like you said before. What has your lawyer said for you to do???? You haven't stated what his opinion on this matter was. Also, have they told you who on your street is complaining about you???

Perhaps you should just get off this inpector's radar as fast as possible.

Why don't you post a picture of your yard so everyone can see for themselves. You may have such a mess that we all say, "dude, it's time for a run to the dump, you should be ashamed". Or, everyone may see it and say, "that's not bad, stand your ground, this is America".

this picture were taken tuesday evening during the rain/wind so they are not the best.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=355&pictureid=2830

I need to get a picture of the garage/driveway area, Ill post it in a bit

this picture were taken tuesday evening during the rain/wind so they are not the best.

http://www.chevelles.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=355&pictureid=2830

I need to get a picture of the garage/driveway area, Ill post it in a bit

Uhh yeah, your nice green lawn is difintely a hinderance. If you keep that garage/driveway of yours in such sorry state of affairs, i can see how the city see's it as the next landfill/dump site, especially with well maintained sidings, excellent condition brick facade, and don't get me started on the American flag attached to the house!!!

(nice looking house, can see part of garage and chimmney on left, definitely not some clapped together shack).

I see a whole bunch of problems there. One branch on the tree is too long, the hose numbers are hard to read, there are leaves on the yard, and one bench is facing the wrong way. :) :)

Seriously though, I'm pulling for you.

It might be time to go back through your call list, mayor, governor and so on and tell them that since your last call, the head of enforcement made an appointment to see you and didn't show. One of those guys told him to show up and solve this, they may find it interesting that he didn't do it.

The three "s's" come to mind...Shoot, Shovel, Shutup.

No job nothing to lose get the hell out move to where a job is and ................

I thought I read in this thread that Ktrim has lived pretty much on this street his whole life------and his extended family also lives here
(I did not go back and re-read the entire thread).

A comment like this is much easier said than done.
If he is a home owner----not that easy to just pick up and
relocate as there stands the chance for a much greater financial loss.

I live out in the boonies as well, and if someone came out and told me to
fix every little thing with MY house and MY dirt-----they would be told in no uncertain terms they could go out and suck on a big furry donkey
**** !

Not every home on the planet is going to please everyone.

The neighborhood where I live, most of the homes are hidden by trees
and the branches that fall from the dead or dying trees just stacks up.
(in my opinion---a fire hazard in an area that has been on on a burn ban for nearly a year)
I live on a lot that has been cleared of most of the trees and in a home that since it was built, nobody spent more than 5 yrs in (I have been here almost 10). The growth is kept cut down and thee is nothing within 100 feet of my front fence.
Yet the house could still use some work, and in no way does my yard----or any yard in the area look like a golf course.

I could car less what other peoples homes looked like, I like most of the people in the neighborhood (except the person across the road that lets his dogs run amock and gets into others trash)

People move out to the sticks to get away from others trying to tell them how to live, so why bother them??

Your house looks good to me
(better than mine as I gotta put siding on my house in the spring...)

I see nothing wrong with your property ,good luck .

this whole thing reminds me of a house I was building back many years ago. I called for an inspection on my footings and the inspector kept turning them down. I could not figure out why, he just said they had to be deeper. Well I finally had enough and called the head of the department to complain.
It was not till then the guy I was building the house for explained to me what was going on. It was just before Christmas, and he told me the inspector was looking for that "Christmas bonus". Well I don't play that way so it never entered my mind.
The head of the building department came out and passed my footings the next day.

this whole thing reminds me of a house I was building back many years ago. I called for an inspection on my footings and the inspector kept turning them down. I could not figure out why, he just said they had to be deeper. Well I finally had enough and called the head of the department to complain.
It was not till then the guy I was building the house for explained to me what was going on. It was just before Christmas, and he told me the inspector was looking for that "Christmas bonus". Well I don't play that way so it never entered my mind.
The head of the building department came out and passed my footings the next day.


wow thats real shady on his part i will keep that in mind if it ever happens to me

That's nice. You took a picture of the best looking part of your property.

Have you finished cleaning up the cars parts garbage and junk over there on the side yet so you can take 2 more pictures on either side of this one?;)

oh.....uh......I'll get you guys a picture of the garage area ......uh........ummmm......later......ok??? :noway:

That's nice. You took a picture of the best looking part of your property.

Have you finished cleaning up the cars parts garbage and junk over there on the side yet so you can take 2 more pictures on either side of this one?;)

oh.....uh......I'll get you guys a picture of the garage area ......uh........ummmm......later......ok??? :noway:

Tsk Tsk Tsk such negativity!

Ken...I wish you the best of luck with your legal fight with these Nazis. AS I previously stated, you're supposed to live in the land of freedom but it seems to be that each county or municipality has its own set of Facist Laws. I have never known anything like that to happen here in Canada, but it may have, not to sure. At any rate, dont give up the fight, and definately get the press and media involved. The Nazi's have turned up the heat on you so I suggest you do the same. If you need a little dough to help with the legal bills, I am more then happy to contribute. If you dont already, get yourself a paypal account and lets get those dollars rolling.

WE should all pull together and get the ball rolling.

Anyone else on board?????

Kev

If you dont already, get yourself a paypal account and lets get those dollars rolling.

WE should all pull together and get the ball rolling.

Anyone else on board?????

Kev


Yes, ME
I need money to clean up my place also.
PLEASE SEND CASH :D

That's nice. You took a picture of the best looking part of your property.

Have you finished cleaning up the cars parts garbage and junk over there on the side yet so you can take 2 more pictures on either side of this one?;)

oh.....uh......I'll get you guys a picture of the garage area ......uh........ummmm......later......ok??? :noway:

The crabby old lady behind all this is your mom, I know it.

Please direct her to stop harrassing our buddy Ktrim before I steal her dentures and affix them to her door as a knocker. I'll go nuts and install spinners and airbags with a remote on her lark scooter. You dont want your mom hopping around and laying frame uncontrollably in the grocery store because I am following her with the remote and "hittin da switches" while she's trying to load up her ensure and depends.

Ever seen an old lady and her ensure launched out of an electric scooter by a hidden airbag set up?

Ease up or at the push of a button she'll unintentionally be ghost ridin da whip through the Rx pick up window. :p :D

That's nice. You took a picture of the best looking part of your property.

Have you finished cleaning up the cars parts garbage and junk over there on the side yet so you can take 2 more pictures on either side of this one?;)

oh.....uh......I'll get you guys a picture of the garage area ......uh........ummmm......later......ok??? :noway:

That's EXACTLY what I thought when I saw the pic. Mr69 was just stating a logical presumption, but it may not have been the smoothest delivery of statement. :noway:

Something I noticed, being a self-fancied lawn technician, ;) is it looks like car tire tracks running diagonally in front of that tree. Sit back in your chair, blur your eyes, and look at the lawn. It's fairly uniform, except for a lighter, yellow/brownish spot at the end of the alledged tracks. Lack of sun causes that...

People who post personal info on here need to expect and be able to deal with the spectrum of interpretations and opinions they elicit.

that's exactly what i thought when i saw the pic. Mr69 was just stating a logical presumption, but it may not have been the smoothest delivery of statement. :noway:

Something i noticed, being a self-fancied lawn technician, ;) is it looks like car tire tracks running diagonally in front of that tree. Sit back in your chair, blur your eyes, and look at the lawn. It's fairly uniform, except for a lighter, yellow/brownish spot at the end of the alledged tracks. Lack of sun causes that...

People who post personal info on here need to expect and be able to deal with the spectrum of interpretations and opinions they elicit.

amen !!!

I saw the tire tracks too. But wasn't going to mention that. I'm more interested in seeing the left and right side !

You have a torn flag.

why not paint the tip of the trim that they are cry'n about..
thats one off the list..
you've already pissed them off,
get of their radar,, or pay the price..
after hearing about the 90y/0 medal winner having to fight to keep an american flag fly'n.
these homeowner associates sould be outlawed, but untill then,
you got 2 choices
1) show the judge you've fixed all the issues and hope for the best
2) move

here are picts of the rest of the yard, there a bit dark Ill get some better ones posted soon

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Just read all of the post since last night, The point is not wther or not my house needs repairs, I know it does they will get done at a time of MY CHOOSING as it is MY HOUSE!!! if they wish to make a request that it be done sooner rather than later, that is acceptable. To those that believe I am lying/misrepresenting myself, I feel sorry for you- this is what or once great country is turning into. To those that say I should just do what they say, That is how our country became this way. whats to stop them from coming back next week to tell me my grass isn't green enough, They dont like the color of my car, my trees are the wrong type, My hair is to long, My cars to loud etc...

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Dan

From your picture, it looks like you have a gravelly area to the left of your driveway. The picture is a little dark, but maybe this gravel area is the part they don't like. Wasn't one of your charges having something to do with not maintaining a driveway?????

I grew up in Tx farm country, you should see the yards there. IMO your house looks good from the pics, I hope all this works out in the in. It really isn't that hard to believe city governments would do this, every time money gets short new "fines" start getting handed out, Austin got busted doing it in the 80's.

From your picture, it looks like you have a gravelly area to the left of your driveway. The picture is a little dark, but maybe this gravel area is the part they don't like. Wasn't one of your charges having something to do with not maintaining a driveway?????

That is a low spot in the yard, all of the run off turns it in to a muddy mess when it rains for more than a day or 2. It dries quickly, grass grows well there but is also the first place to brown when its cold. Next spring a neighbor and I are planning to regrade and reseed the yard so that the water is directed away from my driveway and patio. The city did not complain about that spot yet, Im sure its coming

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Dan

next to the garage in this picture there is a concrete pad, This is where my camaro was parked. I moved it to storage for 2 reasons, 1 to give them something to see if they would go away, and 2 so i can put the chevelle there for the winter. I know there are things that need done, it is by no means a picture perfect house. You should have seen the place when we bought it. Ther were 150 honeysuckle bushes scattered around the yard, 2 or 3 dead trees, broken gutters, giant bushes that blocked the lower windows on the left side of the door (6ft tall). Vintage 1950's aluminium storm door, Bare wires hanging out where the porch light is. The front of the house faces dead north and grows green slimy moss on it if we dont scrub and treat it 2 or 3 times a year. When we first moved in it had not been done for many many years, all of the siding was green. Its come a long way and has a long way to go before I am satisfied, But it will be done on my schedule. Also, the tracks in the yar are not from cars, I have no problem driving in the yard if i need to unload something, Those are from friends and family walking up to the door or to sit on the benches and the occasional ( and occasionally my son or a friend pulling up on a 4 wheeler)

EDIT: Both flaggs have been retired as of yesterday, The wind storm shredded them. They will be replaced with new as soon as possible

Ken,

I see nothing that is worth a city code enforcer wasting taxpayer money writing frivolous citations. Most cities I've lived, that code enforcer wouldn't time for frivolous citations as there's plenty of house in serious disrepair and cars/junk piled everywhere. I say keep up the fight.

Maybe JWA can come in here and whack the BS out of this thread. People are getting way off topic.

Can't your lawyer file a harassment suit against the city for all this nonsense? I could maybe understand 1 or 2 problems with a grumpy inspector, but if I understand you correctly they are making stuff up and going out of their way to give you a hard time.

I'd be glad to have you for a neighbor. You should see what I have to look at every day across the street.

Any good news?

No news yet. She didn't come by yesterday, Garbage man comes tomorrow, im sure she'll be by sometime today. still witing for a call back from the city council rep. Newspaper reporter we spoke to wants a call after we talk to him. Council man hs medical issuses that have him in and out of the hospital this week for treatment. If I dont hear from him by monday afternoon or tuesday morning we'll take the next step. we are getting people together for a visit to the next city council meeting. Just found out that the field behind my house was rezoned from agriculture to singl story office. that my have something to do with this. My street, tht dead ends know, is the only access the moment.

I would bet that had lots to do with it, commercial property will be an income generator for the city. Will this lower your property values from all the potential noise increases?

HMMM I wonder if the city is trying to railroad you out of there so they can get your house, tear it down, so they can have access to the office property...

No news yet. She didn't come by yesterday, Garbage man comes tomorrow, im sure she'll be by sometime today. still witing for a call back from the city council rep. Newspaper reporter we spoke to wants a call after we talk to him. Council man hs medical issuses that have him in and out of the hospital this week for treatment. If I dont hear from him by monday afternoon or tuesday morning we'll take the next step. we are getting people together for a visit to the next city council meeting. Just found out that the field behind my house was rezoned from agriculture to singl story office. that my have something to do with this. My street, tht dead ends know, is the only access the moment.

I find it odd you didn't get public notice regarding the rezoning. Around here, if you're 500 ft within the rezoning or any land use case, the property owners get notified. THEN thats where you guys all band together and preserve your cul de sac living, contest zoning (or put your input, etc). I work in ROW and that is shady movement to convert your cul de sac into a thourough fare...

HMMM I wonder if the city is trying to railroad you out of there so they can get your house, tear it down, so they can have access to the office property...

Tell them you're thinking about raising some chicken cows and pigs.
Then give them your price to cash you out.

Tell them you're thinking about raising some chicken cows and pigs.
Then give them your price to cash you out.

Unless you have incriminating photos of the director, mayor or city council you can't just give them a cheeseball ultimatum like that. This is so elementary, good luck not being laughed out the city offices when you present them your so-serious offer.

How's it going today Ken?

Unless you have incriminating photos of the director, mayor or city council you can't just give them a cheeseball ultimatum like that. This is so elementary, good luck not being laughed out the city offices when you present them your so-serious offer.

people do it all the time.

when they rethink the stink, they become more accomodating.

They can laugh all they want. That doesn't stop you from raising some really stinky animals.

ktrim, where are you? In jail? we need an update.

No news/ changes as of today. The city counsel man that is supposed to be "getting to the bottom of this" has been in and out of the hospital multiple times over the past 2 weeks. He is having some issues with kidney stones. The yard nazi has not been back, that we have seen, since the last court date. the journalist i spoke to is out of town for christmas. So basically everything is on hold until next week, Then We will resume our battle. We refuse to give in to them, My wife wants me to run for city counsel next year. I have until early march to collect enough signatures to get on the ballot, it is unclear as to how many are needed. I have a little time before I have to make a descision.

I would look into who owns the recently re-zoned property. No doubt in my mind that whoever owns the property is making noise about your property in an effort to make their real estate more valuable. If it is owned by a company, find out who owns the company.
Several cities I have lived in had City Councillors and/or Mayors who owned property that was magically re-zoned shortly after they took office (in some cases, this was after years of unsuccessfully trying to get it re-zoned before taking office).

Thought I'd post a quick update, some of you may have seen this thread
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302752&highlight=ktrim Well since then the police have started patrolling the neighborhood regularly- seemed like a great thing at first. Last week they had a neighbors car towed for sitting in front of his house to long, They ticketed 2 neighbors for having "MODIFIED SUSPENSION" - 4wd trucks with big tires. Tried to ticket a third neighbor, but i spoke to the officer before he wrote it, told him I would have the neighbor move the vehicle until we get this mess straightened out. He informed me that the police chief told him to ticket every 4wd truck in this neighborhood in his words "Get them out of here" by any means. Everytime someone is in the field Myself, wife, occasionally kids are questioned as to who it was. The lock on the gate they put up is cut off every few days. Sometimes by joy riders and sometimes by duke energy (sub station in the field). I was informed that the chevelle was illegal to be driven on the street due to altered ride height, according to them if the gas tank can be seen from the rear of the vehicle the ride height has been altered. We go to court tomorrow to address the original charges that have been changed by soning 3 times, the yard nazi should be by any time now for her update pictures of the repairs we have not made. The city councilman that assured me he would "Get to the Bottom" of this has done nothing and won't return phone calls. The mayors office will not return phone calls, The police chief refuses to speak to us. I am now making it my personal plight to see to it that everyone of them is voted out of office. Hopefully I succeed.. We have been checking the market for houses outside of the city, Hopefully I will find work soon then the next owner can deal with the crap

sheesh, what a nightmare man. I applaud you for at least not going crazy or blowing up. I'd be on the fringe if I had to live under such microscope/fishbowl! Maybe you should consider really schmoozing up a local beat reporter or give them the hot lead on a crappy news story where gov't agencies are acting like thugs!

Have you been to the newspapers and local news? Especially if you have a FOX station locally. Start video taping and recording her every time she shows up, same with the police if they are on your property! Also look into filing harrassment charges against the city employeees no matter which department! Sometimes especially in these hard times once they have to start shelling out money on legal defense issues things seem to correct themselves!

What were the results of your Jan 13th meeting?

same old crap- 2 hours at the coust house for it to be continued again until the end of march. Nothing new other than that, My neighbor got cited a few days ago for bringing home a trailer of firewood, he parked it next to his house, in the grass, to unload under hes deck. 2 days later recieved the citation for parking in the grass. He goes to court in a week or so.

I think it's time for all the neighbors to get together and find a really good lawyer. It sounds as if you are all being targeted either because of this new zoning, or someone in the county government has it out for one (or more) of you.

The most important thing to do is document every interaction you have with town/city officials and police. I would even go as far as installing surviellance cameras on your property and record everything that goes on in the neighborhood.

You may be able to file for harassment or better as a neighborhood. As long as your vehicles will pass a DMV inspection, they can not ticket you or change the laws to suit their needs. I would suggest going to the state DMV office with your vehicles and having them inspected, and get a written statement from that department that your vehicle is completely legal and road worthy. Allow them to ticket you whenever you ride/park and add that to your list of harassment charges. Always be pleasant, calm and honest when dealing with anyone involved.

I would make up some really big signs and and start taking the fight to them. Protest in front of the courthouse. It's free speech and it's your right. Start picketing them where they work. Don't cross any ones and give them reason to think you're making threats, but you do have the right bring such absurdity to the light of day.

"Stop harassment by zoning officials"

"Unreasonable code enforcement"

Anything else you can think of. And get your STATE senator involved, the one who represent you in Washington, not at the state capital.

I would make up some really big signs and and start taking the fight to them. Protest in front of the courthouse. It's free speech and it's your right. Start picketing them where they work. Don't cross any ones and give them reason to think you're making threats, but you do have the right bring such absurdity to the light of day.

"Stop harassment by zoning officials"

"Unreasonable code enforcement"

Anything else you can think of. And get your STATE senator involved, the one who represent you in Washington, not at the state capital.

You do need to learn how to play nice with others before you start with the pickets and signs. The camera that is sold to get "wildlife pictures" for hunters can be set up and a few in the neighborhood by the folks who also have been taged will help. If anyone is on your property you have proof.
Also make sure you get involved with local politics, small donations to the local party and directly to elected officials campains. If your are seen at more city and county board meetings taking notes and pictures it scares some folks. Getting to know elected officials by getting on their good side helps more then you know. If they see you not as a threat but an asset your getting the backup you need. Running for public office at your local level is a better option.
Learn to use the city to your advantage you pay taxes to the city for the Attny they have on staff. Call write email city and county Attny for every detail you need clarified and start burning up their time. Call and write the inspector for all the details become the person who burried them in paper work.
I had an incident and learned to play the game fast, I called the developers Lawyer every chance I got and sent letters of the phone calls back for documentation of the calls. Seems that I cost him THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in 1 month. Developer stopped out here and decided to let me build my shed as long as I don't contact his Lawyer anymore. Neighbors who wanted to build sheds just sent letters to the developer and a copy to the Lawyer. They all got sheds after 1 letter with a CC to the lawyer, funny how that worked.

I would make up some really big signs and and start taking the fight to them. Protest in front of the courthouse. It's free speech and it's your right. Start picketing them where they work. Don't cross any ones and give them reason to think you're making threats, but you do have the right bring such absurdity to the light of day.

"Stop harassment by zoning officials"

"Unreasonable code enforcement"

Anything else you can think of. And get your STATE senator involved, the one who represent you in Washington, not at the state capital.


Although you have the Right to Free Speech, I would suggest that you look into the city ordinances there and see if a permit is required before going out there and begin protesting. Local laws vary from City to
City. JMO

Are you sure the Mayor's, Police Chief's, and various other politicians names dont rhyme with names like: Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and Milosevic??? Sounds like you can add their names to the above list as some of the worse dictators in history. They sure sound like perfect stand-ins for the aformentioned above named people. I've never in my entire life heard of such asinine behaviour from elected officials. I agree with the lawyer idea. Run up the city lawyers bill. Inundate him with letter after letter and phone call after phone call. Cost the city more money then they are costing you. Its your TAX Dollars so I say spend it the way YOU want to....its gonna be wasted anyhow, so have it wasted on the citys' lawyer. I know its hard for you to pack up and move away but that seems your only other option to staying and fighting. Whatever you choose to do, I wish you the best of luck and I hope you win against those dictators.

Although you have the Right to Free Speech, I would suggest that you look into the city ordinances there and see if a permit is required before going out there and begin protesting. Local laws vary from City to
City. JMO

Our constitution guarantees the right to peaceful assembly. The key word being peaceful. Generally, you can do this on sidewalks and public property so long as you don't hinder or impede the flow of pedestrian or motor vehicle traffic. The intent is to draw media attention.

I think he's gone past trying to make friends with the politicians. Since he's beat them before, they want to make an example of him. That ship's done sailed. Now it's time to expose them. It's nice to have friends in high places, but if they don't want to be your friend, there's no sense in dirtying your hands on them.

If the Black Panthers can march through an east Texas town carrying AK-47s without having anyone bother them, I think this guy and a few of his neighbors can arm themselves with signs to expose the lunacy in their hometown.

You do need to learn how to play nice with others before you start with the pickets and signs. The camera that is sold to get "wildlife pictures" for hunters can be set up and a few in the neighborhood by the folks who also have been taged will help. If anyone is on your property you have proof.
Also make sure you get involved with local politics, small donations to the local party and directly to elected officials campains. If your are seen at more city and county board meetings taking notes and pictures it scares some folks. Getting to know elected officials by getting on their good side helps more then you know. If they see you not as a threat but an asset your getting the backup you need. Running for public office at your local level is a better option.
Learn to use the city to your advantage you pay taxes to the city for the Attny they have on staff. Call write email city and county Attny for every detail you need clarified and start burning up their time. Call and write the inspector for all the details become the person who burried them in paper work.
I had an incident and learned to play the game fast, I called the developers Lawyer every chance I got and sent letters of the phone calls back for documentation of the calls. Seems that I cost him THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in 1 month. Developer stopped out here and decided to let me build my shed as long as I don't contact his Lawyer anymore. Neighbors who wanted to build sheds just sent letters to the developer and a copy to the Lawyer. They all got sheds after 1 letter with a CC to the lawyer, funny how that worked.

When you go to play the game, the difference between winning and losing is whether you play by their rules, which almost always ends in you losing, or rewriting the rules of their game to your advantage. I think he's beyond getting on anyone's good side. He's beat them before and now their pride is at stake and they want to make an example of him. BUT, this is an election year and he needs to use that to his advantage. That's where peaceful protest by him and his neighbors comes into play. What would help is for him to let his media contacts know ahead of time before they picket and seek advice on dos and don'ts. Not everything that came out of the 60s was a bad idea.

I do lilke the wildlife camera idea. I also like the strategy of running up the opponent's legal fees. Burying them in paperwork is also good strategy, but some bureaucrats live for paperwork, so you might be playing into their hands. The key is to figure out exactly what sort of paperwork is the most boring, mundane, cure for insomnia paperwork you can find and bury them in that.

I once got a notice that I had a commercial trailer in the street not permitted in residential zone. Yes I had my 24' unlettered enclosed tag parked on the side street I live on the corner. I come back for the races Sunday nite ususlly take it down my shop Monday morn. Went to Home Depot on Monday morning took the car, took the trailer to the shop on Tuesday. I did get the notice of violation 2 weeks later. No big deal for me the trailer is only parked there a couple of times a year, it did piss me off. I did some reading about zoning laws drove around my neighborhood I found more violations than you can think of. Any vehical that has any kind of vinyl lettering, any kind of work van or truck or dual wheel vehical , anything over 10,000 gvw. I found school buses both mini and fullsize parked in yards and on streets all in residential zone.The fire cheif parks this red 4x4 with gold leaf letters in his driveway every nite thats a violation. I was going to make a visit to the building inspector with a stack of violations just like in a 1/4 radius of me but I let it slide, it would effect some of my neighbors. What I am saying if you had evidence of people that work for or in the town that are in violation but yet the zoning law were not being enforced to them. How many unregistered vehicals are behind the DPW or Fire dept. Your a tax payer drive around town take a bunch of pictures write down addresses help out the city yard nazis. Take pics of your property and show your cleaning up and going to help the yard nazis clean up the town.

Check the skies above your house, alot of communities are sending out helicoptors taking areial shots of their areas for changes to properties.Take cars with no plates off your property or put them in your garage.Cars that are registered and carry insurance document what each car is used for pleasure.... If you work on peoples cars bring it into your garage. Old parts break down and put with your regular garbage.If a vehicle is commercial get it off your property ASAP.And most important do not trust your neighbors I had a customer of mine build a beautiful 4 car garage for his classic cars with all permits etc, found out the guy next door was complaining because he was jealous of his cars !!!!

I can't believe what a$sholes are in power. :sad:

ken you might want to go downtown and see if there are any work orders or stop work papers in the planning dept. cities have a way to hide there true intinsions. first they try keeping you from making improvements to your property. then you notice no road inprovement,sewwers, or general repairs in your area . this is all in a efford to get you to move so they can buy your house tear it down for that road way to a new office see if they denie you any pemits to make improvements to your house or your property.if they do then you have a right to take them to court for denieing you the right for improvement after all you payed the taxes right? once you show that to the jugde he may see a truer picture of what the city is doing to you and the commuity. watch this happen to aman in va.beach and he won the case just something to think about. luke

I can't believe what a are in power. :sad: a wholes seek "power." Most normal folk just want to live their life & be left alone.

I was wondering what became of this. It's hard to believe the number of people here who say, "Just do what they say." "Clean up your property." Etc etc. It really is unbelievable the number of people, on this site no less, who think those in authority are never wrong, that they can do no wrong.

If you're in the wrong, that's one thing. If it's just a matter of pride and you're telling yourself you're not going to be told what to do, then that's your problem. But in America, when we come up against oppression of any kind, whether it's at the hands of government or corporate powers, we have the RIGHT to fight back! It's an inalienable right.

Ya....ditto.....what ever happened in court? Would be nice to know if Ken could give us an update.

I think it would be great ,, if you could find any employee of that city ,, and check thier own personal yards ( if you can find them ) and see if they have any violations themselves .. Take pics from the street ,, and let yer lawyer run with the pics..

I cannot believe what they are trying to do here .. I believe its something to do with that property that got rezoned do some checking into it..... sounds pretty fishy you wasn't given notice about rezoning hearings pending. but this is how corrupt ass government works now days. its not about the lil man they are screwing out of money that they are alreaddy strapped for but what THEY want. A friend had issues with his neighborhood association ..... he had a work truck (f-550 diesel) parked in his drive way that they bitched abotu ..... funny thing is there was 12 other commercial trucks in that hood including a semi tractor and a guy that runs a mowing buisiness out of his garage .... 4 trucks and trailers .....
they want your property for something ... just got to figure out what they are planning takes some research but I'm sure there are plans in the works.

it just amazes me how broken government is anymore and the legal system..... just because you own 4x4's and neighbors do doesn't mean you are the ones doing it.

We're scheduled back in court on march 30th. Nothings really happened since the last court date. I quess all the snow has kept the inspectors from hounding us. What we did/are doing is taking pictures of "violations" at every house,business,school, city building between our house and her office (there is a lot) to show that we were singled out. She had to drive past hundreds of similiar issues and ignore them inorder to get to my house. taking pictures of the houses in a manner that she will not readily be able to tell wich house it is (dont want to get others into this mess). lawyer seems to think it will help. We have tried to find were the inspector lives, but have been unable.

Did you ever find out who owns the new development?

Years ago I lived in a small city. I was just a kid, so I may have the facts wrong, but we got a new mayor. Suddenly all the new developments (library, swimming pool, new apartments, etc) for the city start taking place over in an area that was kind of out of the way.

Can you guess who owned the property? There was a bit of a stink, but the buildings are there today.

From what I've seen, City Council doesn't pay very much. I think almost anybody who is willing to put up with all the crap that would come with political office for next to no pay must have an ulterior motive. Might be a relatively innocent motive, and it may even be truly philanthropic, but as far as I am concerned, it sure isn't for the city pay cheque.

We have tried to find were the inspector lives, but have been unable.



A private investigator can find out were they all live fast.
Or just tail the prick home yerself.. Its not illegal to go for a drive on a public road.. Just so happens yer cruisin in his neighborhood..

my Mil's yukon with the intake off, My neighbors jeep with the wheels off, the chevelle on jack stands, the cover off my camaro. and a bunch of scrap I had piled up to take to the scrap yard.

just an example of a normal day, Yesterday we had the chevelle in the drive, 4 quads in the yard, 2 dirt bikes, a ford probe that a friend was tuning up, a lumina that my son was putting a radio in, and 15 people in the front yard ranging in age from 9 to 50 just talking. its like this more often than not. all the people are neighbors hang out here, even if we're not home.

Randy, not trying to be argumentative, but...above is the OP's own description of his house and yard...

Randy, not trying to be argumentative, but...above is the OP's own description of his house and yard...

True. And it sounds like a guy paradise! :thumbsup: Seriously though, and I don't want to be accused of being judgmental, but in the pictures I see an older home, probably built in 70s and maybe even the late 60s. It's an older home in an older neighborhood. They're probably not going to be pristine. I drove around in a lot of similar looking neighborhoods when I worked for Verizon and saw a lot of what he described. They just look lived in. They're not trashy, but they do show their age. I have seen some older neighborhoods circa 1950s, 1960s and 1970s that were pristine, but they're usually the exception. Again, I'm not passing judgement on the guy's house or neighborhood or saying it looks run down or anything. I think it is what it is, an old neighborhood.

With that said, there are always two sides. Some property owners puff up and say that no one is going to tell them what to do with their property. That's that pride thing. And there are cities that employ unreasonable code enforcement officers and cities whose codes and ordinances are way unreasonable. We've only heard K's side of it, but he's done a fairly decent job of pleading his case, though again, it's his side. It would be interesting to hear from the other side.

Regardless, I do hope this turns out okay for him. There's enough other stuff to worry about in this world.

Since I see you are in Cincinnati, here is the link to the Hamilton County, Ohio auditor's website. You can search for property by name, address, etc.

http://www.hamiltoncountyauditor.org/realestateii/ROVER30.ASP

UPDATE: Went to court yesterday,for the 4 or fifth time over this. It was continued again, this time until the middle of may. They have agreed to drop everything if I paint the side of my garage facing the field, Since I had planned to do that anyway its no big deal. We'll just have to see if they stick to their word. Im hopefull they do, But skeptical- just have to see how it plays out.

Well, how about that? I think it's safe to say that field being re-zoned has been your problem all along. Think of the headaches that possibly could've been spared if the city would've just notified you of the re-zoning.

Good luck to you, Ken.

So it's over? The war is over? All you got to do is paint your garage?

I think this awesome if they stick to their word. There should be some court records from a transcriptionist or something that you can get a copy of. I for one am never ready to just do as told just because "they" are the powers to be. More people should fight these things. What a great victory for you, and any others that you have motivated to not just say "OK".

Seems like they went through a lot of muss and fuss just to have me paint 1 wall of the garage that i had planned on painting this spring anyway. They could have save a whole bunch of time/money if they would have just asked. They did say I had to remove the ladder from my front yard, Not only is there not one in my yard, I dont own one. Our lawyer asked for picutres because we didn't know what they were talking about, The quickly responded with "Never Mind". We'll just have to wait and see if they keep there end of the deal. Im not holding my breath!!


My wife wants me to paint the wall Hot pink with purple dots-- Just to make a point - Im considering it, but then i would have to paint it again. Maybe ill have an airbrush artist paint a junkyard on it:)

My wife wants me to paint the wall Hot pink with purple dots-- Just to make a point - Im considering it, but then i would have to paint it again. Maybe ill have an airbrush artist paint a junkyard on it:)

Get a couple local kids to "TAG" it for you with something like they do on trains. Let them take a couple of days to do it and let them do it during the day. :thumbsup:
Then again maybe they can not paint during the day and will have to did it at night.;)

Well, how about that? I think it's safe to say that field being re-zoned has been your problem all along. Think of the headaches that possibly could've been spared if the city would've just notified you of the re-zoning.

Good luck to you, Ken.


Have you had a neighboring parcel or property that has been rezoned? Around here, if any land use is changed on a parcel, any property within 500' of the land use change will be notified. Also, a rezoning does not bring on a derth of violations and problems, or at least it shouldn't. His property is processed as it stands alone, not based on what neighboring parcel is zoned and future potential use.

Get an artist to paint a picture of the old lady harassing you on the side of the garage. Take her photo and have someone do their best painting it on the wall.

Sounds like they were afraid of losing a case to you. Do yourself a favor and document everything and keep it all on record. the next time you get any type of notice for this, immediately file a harassment suit against the town, inspector and whoever else is involved...