: 64-70 Tie Rods on 71-72?
Seagram's 72 Aug 25th, 09, 10:34 PM I am replacing all 4 tie rods and both adjusters on my 72'. I want to purchase the kit off Summit with the Moog inners and outers and the Edelbrock adjuster sleeves. The 64-70 kit is about $90 cheaper. I am running stock front spindles and center link. Are they the same?
Rizzi427 Aug 26th, 09, 4:03 PM Center link is the same , tie rod ends sleeves are different/bob rizzi rizzi's auto parts
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 11:33 AM Bump on this, What is different about them?
Rizzi427 Dec 3rd, 09, 1:03 PM BUMP THIS/overall dia. is larger on the 71-72 as per gm specs.Grease fitting is in a different location on inner tie rod ends 71-72.Center link is the same,different sleeves used because of larger dia.When a company specifies a part number for an application there is a reason it is called: direct o.e. replacement. Bob Rizzi `~~
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 1:07 PM So in theory a complete set of tierods and adjusters for a 70 would fit a 71-72 car.
Rizzi427 Dec 3rd, 09, 1:27 PM Note this post was over 3 months ago and the question that was asked was is their a difference on a 72' Chevelle as opposed to 64'-70' /MY REPLY WAS YES !! ANYTHING CAN FIT IF YOU WANT IT TO.... But to do it the right way you go by what GM specs and Moog says is the proper part # for your application NOT YOUR THEORY. Bob Rizzi
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 1:45 PM Note this post was over 3 months ago and the question that was asked was is their a difference on a 72' Chevelle as opposed to 64'-70' /MY REPLY WAS YES !! ANYTHING CAN FIT IF YOU WANT IT TO.... But to do it the right way you go by what GM specs and Moog says is the proper part # for your application NOT YOUR THEORY. Bob Rizzi
If that was true everyone would drive bone stock cars. If nothing else changed in the steering between 70 and 72 and cars with 70 style tierods arent crashing left and right I see no reason why Moog replacement 70 tie rods cant be used on a 71-72.
Rizzi427 Dec 3rd, 09, 2:25 PM Again,Read the original post: IS THEIR A DIFFERENCE ? YES ! Why is the 64-70 parts $90.00 less ? Explained. Understand what the word STOCK... means, also he is not asking if the earlier parts will fit as you keep ON posting.
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 2:45 PM per the title of this thread he was asking about using 1970 tie rods on a 71-72. Has one else used them?
Rizzi427 Dec 3rd, 09, 3:09 PM Man this can go on and on.I have been around Chevelles since 1965, raced,built and owned a 68' 427 L-88, own 3 Chevelles today and I know Moog products . The post is over 90 days old and his question was answered WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE ? that is why no additional posts have been made on this topic.Read it properly!!! It clearly states are they the same? not what you keep on posting... Bob Rizzi
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 3:25 PM Because IM asking a question related to this topic, instead of cluttering up the section with another thread on the same topic, Im extending the info in this one.
Rizzi427 Dec 3rd, 09, 3:43 PM Your first post to clutter up section : 'bump on this" nice expression. By the vehicles that you own I can see that you are really qualified to give sound information on Chevelles and Moog products to forum members.
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 3:49 PM Your first post to clutter up section : 'bump on this" nice expression. By the vehicles that you own I can see that you are really qualified to give sound information on Chevelles and Moog products to forum members.
What dont you understand about ME asking a question about MY 72 Chevelle? This thread happened to be on the exact topic my question was about. Im trying to get more info then "they are different".
Beaux Dec 3rd, 09, 4:38 PM Your first post to clutter up section : 'bump on this" nice expression.
I dont have a dog in this here fight but Rizzi, simmer down a bit man....the term "bump" is very common standard practice on ANY forum in order to "bump" the thread back to the top of the list so it stays active and is seen.
as far as the difference - take a two bolts - one 9/16 and one 7/16. Try to tie those both together using a large 9/16 nut. Now imagine one being a 68-70 and the other being a 71/72. You have different sized threads and therefor would need inners / outers / adjuster as a set, no matter which you were using.
I have not, however, seen any difference on the inner tie rod zerk fitting location. All have been on the body of the inner tie rod facing inward toward the center of the car to clear the oil pan. I dont see why that would be different on 70 vs 72/72 since still BB / SB and interchanegable chassis.
Just to further the discussion and NOT to argue.
Rizz - honest, thats a very common term and I think you may have taken offense thinking otherwise. You will see threads bumped all the time. Maybe you's two's are truly just misunderstanding each other.
Toreadorranger - If you really need a visual and want to know in person just go to your local napa and ask them to look at both. Its very apparent.
Later
Rizzi427 Dec 3rd, 09, 7:32 PM The term "BUMP ON THIS " in many areas of the country (including Conn.) is a vulgar line.The original post pertained to Moog tie rod ends:are they the same ? THEY ARE NOT ! .The description was posted with the actual difference not if they will work. Moog uses 2 different set ups as stated. 71-72 have larger dia.and different location of grease fitting. On the 71-72 inner tie rod ends the grease fitting is side mount on the end.Moog designs it this way to conform with specs of gm dia. and excessibility to grease fitting.I know that a bolt as you state can be "connected" just by changing the tie rod end sleeve but that is more or less making a part a universal fit and that is not what Moog is all about.When they or any name brand company design a product and they catalog the use of a particular part number for that application that is what is made for.As stated I have been around Chevelles since the beginning and I know Moog products: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE
Toreadorranger Dec 3rd, 09, 10:46 PM I dont have a dog in this here fight but Rizzi, simmer down a bit man....the term "bump" is very common standard practice on ANY forum in order to "bump" the thread back to the top of the list so it stays active and is seen.
as far as the difference - take a two bolts - one 9/16 and one 7/16. Try to tie those both together using a large 9/16 nut. Now imagine one being a 68-70 and the other being a 71/72. You have different sized threads and therefor would need inners / outers / adjuster as a set, no matter which you were using.
I have not, however, seen any difference on the inner tie rod zerk fitting location. All have been on the body of the inner tie rod facing inward toward the center of the car to clear the oil pan. I dont see why that would be different on 70 vs 72/72 since still BB / SB and interchanegable chassis.
Just to further the discussion and NOT to argue.
Rizz - honest, thats a very common term and I think you may have taken offense thinking otherwise. You will see threads bumped all the time. Maybe you's two's are truly just misunderstanding each other.
Toreadorranger - If you really need a visual and want to know in person just go to your local napa and ask them to look at both. Its very apparent.
Later
Yea, I had planned on stopping at napa on my way home from work tomorrow.
I guess I was hoping someone who can do more then look up the part numbers in a book would respond on if they have done this before.
Beaux Dec 3rd, 09, 11:21 PM Im so damn confused and I have no idea why. saying the same things and yet acting like we arent...I took MY meds so man it cant be me.
DUCK SEASON!
RABBIT SEASON!
DUCK SEASON!
Hell, its beer 30 and this is too cryptic....Friggin' steering linkage twilight zone Odd as hell....like talking to my family in liverpool england. We all speak english and I dont know what the hell they're saying. :D
I think I understand Charlie Browns teacher better than...hell....I dont even know what this is. Tragic comedy? Screw it, im gonna go out in my garage and smile at my newly painted and freshly installed tie rods and yell bump this at the world.
:p
Dean Dec 3rd, 09, 11:51 PM You're cracking me up over here again Beaux. l:)
I didn't know there was any difference in 70 & 71-72 tie rod ends, I figured 70-72 were the same. I would have guessed that 64's might be different.
I do know that I bought new tie rod ends for my 70 and they had the grease zirks in the end like the originals and when I went back and bought more from the same place with the same box & part number, the zirks were on the back where you could not get to them when installed.
I had to put 90 degree zirks in those.
You'll see the word "bump" used quite a bit around here Rizz. It just means bump the thread back to the top of the index list, like Beaux said.
bsharpe Dec 8th, 09, 7:01 PM Hopefully I can save this thread and actually get some helpful info.
I would really like to know the difference between the 70 and 71 inner tie rods and suspension. I currently am trying to solve clearance issues I have between the passenger tie rod and LS1 oil pan on my 71 chevelle.
If the 70 tie rods are a little smaller with different zerk fitting locations it might clear my oil pan.
chuckd71 Sep 15th, 11, 6:33 AM Necroposting but I have a similar problem. I could not be less interested in any oem fitment 'manufacturers do things for a reason stuff' or XX diameter is 'correct' nonsense but I would like some practical info. If one were to completely replace their 71 steering linkages with stuff from a 70 everything should work, correct?
UMI Performance Sep 15th, 11, 8:14 AM 64-70 does use a different thread size than 71-72. I will post a few aftermarket options below that might help someone reference this.
64-70
www.umiperformance.com/2103
www.umiperformance.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_28&products_id=579
71-72
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_35&products_id=539
http://www.umiperformance.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_35&products_id=580
I hope these help,
Ryan
chuckd71 Sep 15th, 11, 10:54 AM Those look good. I get that the tie rods are different thread sizes, but as long as we use 70 sleeves with 70 tie rods everything would fit. Is that right?
thanks
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