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: Help with chasing an oil leak


Dan Orgill
Aug 21st, 09, 1:47 PM
Since finishing my '69, I've dealt with leaks from just about everywhere, tranny, power steering, rear end, and of course, engine oil.

I still seem to have an oil leak that is occurring somewhere on the driver's side of the block ( 396 ). The oil seems to wind up in a drip that collects on an area of the block just above the oil filter, below the rear spark plug. Of course, it makes it's way down the flexplate cover and makes a mess.

I've checked around the valve cover gaskets and around the back edge of the intake, and everything seems to feel dry. There also doesn't appear to be any leaks from the oil pressure sending unit or it's brass fitting in the block. The rear main appears dry as well.

When feeling around the motor, there is some oil of the bottom corner of the cylinder head where it overhangs the block on near the firewall.

Any suggestions, it's really annoying having to jack up the car all the time to clean:sad:.

davewho1
Aug 21st, 09, 2:04 PM
You could try some of that additive they use at dealerships - pour it in and run the engine. It shows up florescent green when you shine a black light on it; shows exactly where the leak is.

SCOTTS66
Aug 21st, 09, 2:18 PM
You could try some of that additive they use at dealerships - pour it in and run the engine. It shows up florescent green when you shine a black light on it; shows exactly where the leak is.
X2.We use it here at my dealership and its a great tool.Its an oil dye that you put directly into the oil.Clean the entire area with brake cleaner and then run engine.The dye will leave a trail from where it came from when exposed to black light.Works best if you can do it without driving the vehicle.

Dan Orgill
Aug 21st, 09, 3:15 PM
Where would I get a " black light " ?

SCOTTS66
Aug 21st, 09, 3:28 PM
Where would I get a " black light " ?
I have a dedicated unit at work from Snapon .It also came with a pair of yellow safty glasses which I alco find help.The safty glasses can be got alot of places.The black light,you can get a regular black light bulb and put it into a drop light.Mine is led on a flexable shaft,perhaps they make a bulb for a minimag flaslight.That would work great,but the droplight would work fine.It is a must to have an inspection mirror to see those tight spots,especially behind the intake.
Almost forgot,I think Home Depot,or Lowes for the bulb.Spensors carried them too,or so I remember.

y72ss
Aug 21st, 09, 6:54 PM
I had the same problem on a '69 Z/28 a few months ago. The oil was coming from between the head and block. I know many have said that can't happen and I would agree with them if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes. I could clearly see the leak was come from the bottom corner of the head. I replaced the head gasket. It still leaks but not near as bad .
Good luck

Dan Orgill
Aug 21st, 09, 8:06 PM
I had the same problem on a '69 Z/28 a few months ago. The oil was coming from between the head and block. I know many have said that can't happen and I would agree with them if I hadn't seen this with my own eyes. I could clearly see the leak was come from the bottom corner of the head. I replaced the head gasket. It still leaks but not near as bad .
Good luck

Not liking the sound of that :(

LS7
Aug 21st, 09, 8:12 PM
Where would I get a " black light " ?
Your top dresser drawer, LOL! :p :D

rubadub
Aug 21st, 09, 9:40 PM
Heres this from a while back.


Here you go, its messy but it will find the leak the first shot out, guaranteed.

Warm up the motor, shut it off so the fan isn't blowing any air around it.

Take a plastic bottle of baby powder, spray it all over where theres oil or a chance of a leak.

Let it set for a while, then don't touch it but take a light and look real good and you will see where the oil will run through the powder leaving a distinct brown line.

And you guys, no comments about the diaper business and the brown streaks.:D

Rob

Dan Orgill
Aug 22nd, 09, 11:50 AM
Your top dresser drawer, LOL! :p :D

Nice!

FWIW, I'm taking the car into the shop that built the motor on Monday afternoon. They can have a look at it, since it is their build. Hopefully will be something simple, but I'm not counting on that :sad: :(....I'm starting lean towards what y72ss said in his post.

LS7
Aug 22nd, 09, 12:08 PM
Dan, that was meant as a joke, didn't mean to offend you. :noway: I hope the oil leak turns out to be something minor. :thumbsup:

John, AKA ~ "size matters" :beers:

Dan Orgill
Aug 22nd, 09, 12:21 PM
Dan, that was meant as a joke, didn't mean to offend you. :noway: I hope the oil leak turns out to be something minor. :thumbsup:

John, AKA ~ "size matters" :beers:

And a good joke it was, no offense taken, my friend!:D:noway:

LS7
Aug 22nd, 09, 12:34 PM
And a good joke it was, no offense taken, my friend!:D:noway:
:thumbsup: Are you taking the car out to Autofest (http://www.oldride.com/events/2518118.html) next weekend?

Dan Orgill
Aug 22nd, 09, 1:16 PM
:thumbsup: Are you taking the car out to Autofest (http://www.oldride.com/events/2518118.html) next weekend?

Doubtful. Don't know how long the car will be tied up for if it's something major. Also, I still haven't gotten my passenger fender/door adjusted to my satisfaction, so it's pretty much a guarantee that someone will look at my car and say " Hey, did you know your door isn't lined up right.."

blm
Aug 22nd, 09, 5:16 PM
Dan; Here is a tip that another TCer passed on to me a couple years ago. Works like a charm and no special tools are needed. All you need is a willing assistant. Remove your dipstick for your oil. Take your compressor ( or borrow a friends ) and turn the pressure down to approx 15 PSI. Place a pointed fitting on the compressor hose that is approx the same diameter as the dipstick tube. Have your assistant apply a constant stream of 15 PSI down the dipstick tube. You crawl underneath armed with a spray bottle of soapy water. Spray any areas that you suspect to be leaking. When you see bubbles in your soapy solution you have found your leak. The only thing is your block would have to be relatively clean to find a leak. In other words it can't have a half inch of gease caked on it.

JeffN
Aug 22nd, 09, 5:45 PM
Let me make a suggestion here. I have a 1070 Elco with a 402. Same exact situation as you. Check the distributor mounting gasket. I think that is where mine is leaking. Gonna change it Monday night with a friend. Gasket is 99 cents and not that hard to do. Check that.

Dan Orgill
Aug 22nd, 09, 6:02 PM
Dan; Here is a tip that another TCer passed on to me a couple years ago. Works like a charm and no special tools are needed. All you need is a willing assistant. Remove your dipstick for your oil. Take your compressor ( or borrow a friends ) and turn the pressure down to approx 15 PSI. Place a pointed fitting on the compressor hose that is approx the same diameter as the dipstick tube. Have your assistant apply a constant stream of 15 PSI down the dipstick tube. You crawl underneath armed with a spray bottle of soapy water. Spray any areas that you suspect to be leaking. When you see bubbles in your soapy solution you have found your leak. The only thing is your block would have to be relatively clean to find a leak. In other words it can't have a half inch of gease caked on it.

Freash frame off resto, so cleanliness isn't a problem. That is one of the things ticking me off so much, all the constant cleaning:o

Let me make a suggestion here. I have a 1070 Elco with a 402. Same exact situation as you. Check the distributor mounting gasket. I think that is where mine is leaking. Gonna change it Monday night with a friend. Gasket is 99 cents and not that hard to do. Check that.

Will do. Already checked around the rear of the intake and valve covers, and both are dry. I'm more than a little concerned:(.

Dan Orgill
Aug 23rd, 09, 10:32 AM
Let me make a suggestion here. I have a 1070 Elco with a 402. Same exact situation as you. Check the distributor mounting gasket. I think that is where mine is leaking. Gonna change it Monday night with a friend. Gasket is 99 cents and not that hard to do. Check that.

Checked the gasket today, dry as a bone, nothing on the back shelf of the block or the bellhousing of the tranny

StevenS
Aug 23rd, 09, 11:28 AM
Dan

I have a bottle of oil dye if you want it. Just pay shipping charge.

Steve

Dan Orgill
Aug 23rd, 09, 12:00 PM
Dan

I have a bottle of oil dye if you want it. Just pay shipping charge.

Steve

Steve, thanks very much, and I'll keep that in mind:thumbsup:. I'll know more on Tuesday as to where this is going.

Dan Orgill
Aug 29th, 09, 1:28 PM
Just to update, the leak was coming from the left rear corner of the oil pan. It's been rectified and all is good ( and clean! ).

davewho1
Aug 29th, 09, 2:06 PM
Just to update, the leak was coming from the left rear corner of the oil pan. It's been rectified and all is good ( and clean! ).

Glad to hear it! :thumbsup: What method did you use to find it?

Dan Orgill
Aug 29th, 09, 3:58 PM
Glad to hear it! :thumbsup: What method did you use to find it?

" The guy who built the motor method " :D

I just brought it into him, and we put it up on the hoist to see where the leak was coming from. He had a look and was pretty sure of the leak location. He sprayed the area with soapy water to clean it up, then cleaned everything up. he let the car sit overnight to make sure all the soapy residue dried up. He fired the car the next morning, and could see the oil coming out of the left rear corner.

DUKE 69
Aug 29th, 09, 7:02 PM
Good news for you, Dan. Are you going to Tillsonburg and show that thing off? I can't make it but it's time for others to see that beautiful car!

Duke

Dan Orgill
Aug 30th, 09, 12:14 PM
Good news for you, Dan. Are you going to Tillsonburg and show that thing off? I can't make it but it's time for others to see that beautiful car!

Duke

Nope, don't really want to drive the car that far, anyways. I'm trying not to rack up the miles and if I made that trip, that would be my quota for the year.:yes:

LS7
Aug 30th, 09, 12:19 PM
There is a rumour floating around that Dan is going to enter his car in the 'Performance World' car show in Toronto next March. :) :thumbsup:

Dan Orgill
Aug 30th, 09, 2:21 PM
There is a rumour floating around that Dan is going to enter his car in the 'Performance World' car show in Toronto next March. :) :thumbsup:

Well, I'll have to kibosh that one:o.....ain't gonna happen...:noway: