found this on another site, anyone who welds should read this!
http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

That is good info, I did not know that.

Thanks for posting I was just getting ready to post this myself, saw it on the Antique Automobile Web Site. Very important and very scary.

Dang, that got serious quick, I never read the labels on stuff, looks like I need to start....before I get in trouble.....can't be TOO safe these days....good article....thanks....

That sure is scary to have that happen. Good info...

Thank you for the warnings. It is now posted in our shop.

Thank you for sharing.... Very good infomation!!!

I always use supplied air for any fumes, dust whatever, its just to handy.

Why breathe any of it.

Just pick it up and put it on.



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Rob

I always use supplied air for any fumes, dust whatever, its just to handy.

Why breathe any of it.

Just pick it up and put it on.



http://www.1969supersport.com/dog22.jpg

Rob

See those rattle cans in the bottom of the picture, I won't touch one of them without that hood on. Room temperature air from the house blowing over my forehead, nice and cool.

I won't even say how nice it is to grind with one of these babys, no sparks, no burns, you can look right at it, turn your grinder any different direction.

Not only is this a good post but should be displayed in any store that sells Brake Clean. I could very easily seesomeone doing this exact thing without thinking twice about it. Scary stuff....

Where can I find one of those masks?

Where can I find one of those masks?

Heres this http://yhst-13811118617756.stores.yahoo.net/sas98onhosus.html

Rob

This is should be made a sticky for a while until it has been read by most of the board.


Scary indeed, I wonder how many of us have been lucky on this one!?!

Here's some interesting facts: Fosgene gas is what they called "mustard gas" used by the Japanese in WW2. It caused many soldiers permanent lung damage. A friend of mine's father never could work due to lung damage from it. Also, freon (R-22) if burned becomes fosgene. That's why refrigeration and HVAC guys are taught never to smoke when working with freon and to work in a well ventilated area or with outside air masks when brazing around freon. WE all take this stuff too lightly until something happens! Be careful!!

I guess I am from the old "dumb" school...

EVERYTHING I do...
weld, plasma, paint, grind, powdercoat, primer, sandblast...

NEVER wear anything.

I guess I should start doing something...

Anyone familiar with the symptoms from Lou Gerhigs disease? The guy that taught me EVERYTHING never really used anything either...he died last year. His body started shutting down his nervous system until eventually it hit his important organs...When he started getting weak he went to the dr. and they found that the metal content in his body was 120ppm. They noted that a normal human has a content of 5ppm.

I will be sharing this with people at work and people I know outside of work.

Going to leave this as a sticky for a while so everyone gets a chance to read it!

Pretty scary stuff. I know I don't protect myself enough, but I will start being more aware of it. I hope that guy in the story makes a good recovery.

Yes that brake clean is harsh stuff. I have seen guys clean their hands with it.

It can also be used to kill insects pretty quickly. Sometimes, I have some moths flying around my garage and a quick spray of brake clean kills them in 30 seconds...I know now brake clean&welding/flame doesn't mix.

Here's some interesting facts: Fosgene gas is what they called "mustard gas" used by the Japanese in WW2. It caused many soldiers permanent lung damage. A friend of mine's father never could work due to lung damage from it. Also, freon (R-22) if burned becomes fosgene. That's why refrigeration and HVAC guys are taught never to smoke when working with freon and to work in a well ventilated area or with outside air masks when brazing around freon. WE all take this stuff too lightly until something happens! Be careful!!

Phosgene Gas is NOT Mustard Gas. Mustard Gas is a Blister Agent, while Phosgene is a lung irritant (and toxic). Phosgene was first and largely used during WWI. Although many gases were stockpiled during WWII, very little was ever used. The Japanese used Phosgene and Lewisite in China in a very limited capacity in the late 1930's and into 1941.

make sure that the air suply doesnot have an oiler on it ,for some tools,needs good filter, caused a man at work to have a stroke,when he hook up to wrong air line.......

I work for a municipality and was doing a brake job on a sander truck. It had a leaking wheel seal and I used non-flammable brake cleaner to clean the oil from the brake drum. I was being impatient and couldn't wait for the brake cleaner to dry up. I lit the welding torch and warmed the brake drum to speed up the drying time. WELL I felt like I was suffocating, just like there was no air to breath! I quickly put out the torch and went outside. I didn't suffer any damage and was fine a few minutes later. It was a scary episode and now I read the labels when using any chemicals, even spray paint.

Paul

Would a normal $20 respirator prevent the gas from entering into the lungs or no? Just wondering if we need to be cautious about things even with a respirator on.

M.S.D.S. MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEETS!!! anytime you have any suspision of a chemical or considering hiring a contractor to do work around house (wood renew, landscaping,etc) ask the contractor or contact the company where chemical is made and ask for M.S.D.S. sheets by Law the company must provide them. With the internet its even easier because you can go directly to companys web site and get info. The M.S.D.S. contains all chemicals in product , the safety warnings, what harmful side effects that could effect you and how to treat immediate exposure. The guy in article posted about brake kleen should have gone directly to hospital and told ER staff what he was exposed to.Another warning about brake kleen ALLWAYS wear safety glass's and a mask. It only takes a minute to get hurt but it also only takes you a minute to be safe.