Hoping someone knows something about Fords on here!

We're getting a 62 Falcon with the original 6 in it for the girlfriend. Do the newer 302s like out of an Explorer/Mountaineer bolt in the same way an old 289/302 do? I want something cheap and easy that will just require motor mounts to drop in, I cant cut the shock towers, so a SBC wont fit I guess.

Any other easy ideas?

Thanks

You'll have some issues putting a later 302 into the Falcon. The motor mounts will bolt up, but depending on the source vehicle of the 302, the oil pan may not fit. Later vehicles will also most likely have a serpentine belt set-up with reverse rotation water pump. It would probably be easier and cheaper to get a good 302 of a 70's or 80's vehicle.

Thanks for the info! The nice thing about an Explorer engine is you can get a low mileage one out of a wrecked car for around $900! I was planning on putting a carb/manifold on it, do you now if the newer motors will take a mechanical fuel pump? If I just have to change the water pump, pan and sump location and a few other things it might be pretty cheap. Thanks!

Hoping someone knows something about Fords on here!

We're getting a 62 Falcon with the original 6 in it for the girlfriend. Do the newer 302s like out of an Explorer/Mountaineer bolt in the same way an old 289/302 do? I want something cheap and easy that will just require motor mounts to drop in, I cant cut the shock towers, so a SBC wont fit I guess.

Any other easy ideas?

Thanks
Keep the 6-cyl and maybe add a late model transmission.
had a maverick with the 6-cyl and 3-on the floor.
good milage, easy to work on, good times:yes:

You can swap all the early stuff (pan, intake) off a late model 302 for the early pan. Big difference is the late 302's use a different balancer and flexplate. They also use the 351W firing order. This is a very common swap in early Mustangs.

A 5.0 Mustang motor from 92 and back to 86 will drop right in and are pretty much bullet proof unless you hit them with a 275 shot all the time. 93-95 H.O. motors have Hypereutectic pistons. I'd def look at a stock drop in 5.0/AOD combo even the stock SS headers should work. If your on a budget take the FI stuff off and replace it with a 650 cfm carb, RPM Air gap and MSD Distributor. You'll need a 65 Mustang rad and a few other early 302 things oil pan etc, alot of people have done this swap. Needless to say there is alot of info out there. I'd stay away from the Explorer 5.0 even with the later GT40p heads they aren't as tough as a forged pistoned 5.0.

I am no Ford expert, so I wonder if it would be a good deal to put in a 300 cubic inch six from a Ford truck. I once worked in engineering at Ford , so I am pretty sure that they made things so that 2 different six cylinder engines will not easily swap. Just a thought.

Thanks for all the info and tips. I would like to get an old Mustang 5.0 motor to put in but they all have so many miles now it would need to be rebuilt probably. I think I am going to go with a 2000-2001 Exploder engine, they have GT40 aluminum heads stock. I realize they are weaker rotating assemblies but I only want 250hp or so just to get this thing to run decent compared to the stock ~50hp motor. Supposedly the distributor from an 85 Mustang is the one to use, only $90 from Autozone. Then I'll see if a Performer RPM fits under the hood, if not I'll just use a regular Performer (suppodedly no better than old stock intakes unfortunately) and 4160 carb. I would like to use a Qjet but none of the manifolds accept spread bore carbs. I'll have to replace the waterpump and pickup but hopefully I can use the Exploder balancer and flywheel with a C4 trans. I have to find out if a later C4 trans will bolt up to the motor, if not maybe I could use an AOD trans with no computer? Wondering how big of a trans will fit under that little car, it comes with a 2 speed auto, too bad its not a Powerglide.

when i was into mustangs, i'd buy them cheap with blown engines (in the 65-66's the crank was weak). go right down to pep boys, buy a early 302, and bolt right in. they ran great, no computers or wiring hassle's, would be about 235 h.p. and got great gas mileage. they are in the craigslist all the time for cheap, and are fairly bullet proof engines. a petronics swap in the dist. and point and shoot.....could usually do all this for under 1,100.00. made lots of $ on those early stangs....

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/1249986937.html

when i was into mustangs, i'd buy them cheap with blown engines (in the 65-66's the crank was weak). go right down to pep boys, buy a early 302, and bolt right in. they ran great, no computers or wiring hassle's, would be about 235 h.p. and got great gas mileage. they are in the craigslist all the time for cheap, and are fairly bullet proof engines. a petronics swap in the dist. and point and shoot.....could usually do all this for under 1,100.00. made lots of $ on those early stangs....

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/1249986937.html

X2 Can't beat an early 302!:thumbsup:

Straight axle and a 540!


You didn't say what the budget was. :D

A 5.0 Mustang motor from 92 and back to 86 will drop right in and are pretty much bullet proof unless you hit them with a 275 shot all the time. 93-95 H.O. motors have Hypereutectic pistons. I'd def look at a stock drop in 5.0/AOD combo even the stock SS headers should work. If your on a budget take the FI stuff off and replace it with a 650 cfm carb, RPM Air gap and MSD Distributor. You'll need a 65 Mustang rad and a few other early 302 things oil pan etc, alot of people have done this swap. Needless to say there is alot of info out there. I'd stay away from the Explorer 5.0 even with the later GT40p heads they aren't as tough as a forged pistoned 5.0.

ditto, if the oil was changed chances are these motors look pretty good. Fuel injection and od trans really help extend the life of them. I picked up my entire 5.0 for 300 bucks. Added a manifold/carb and the thing runs well. I was going to change the bearings but when I pulled a few they looked brand new. Plus these engines have hydraulic rollers which are a plus over the early hydraulic stuff.

590 big block ford..

Ls1 ;)

I'll go against the grain here. Keep the 6, put a T5 behind it. If you don't like the 30+ mpg available from that combo you can convert the 6 over to injection. You might even get it up to 40 mpg that way. Look into Megasquirt, and join Inliners International. Lots of good info there.

Devin

The Ford small six (144-170-200-250) was of the same family, meaning that the larger versions could make a good and simple swap. The 144 & 170, plus the 200 before 1965 used only 4 bearings and solid lifters. Heck, a 7 main bearing, hydraulic lifter 1965 or later 200 or a ’69 – ’80 250 would be a drop in for the most part and make more power with less strain. That old ’62 has 4-bolt wheels and weak drivetrain components (crash box 3-speed or a 2-speed Ford-O-Matic) and a weak rear end. Since the modern stuff is available at a good price and probably more plentiful in the junkyards, I can understand the reasoning behind utilizing it.

The guy who is building my motor is really the guru of Ford 60 degree V6s. I was looking at a 4 liter V6 (Ranger / Explorer / Aerostar) that he punched out to 4.3 liters. He has developed a stud girdle setup that makes it really strong in the bottom end for cheap. He is developing his own aluminum intake for a supercharger. The also had a Mustang with a naturally aspirated street 3.8 V6 (90 degree, you don’t want that) that ran in the 12’s.

There have been more than a few early Falcons running the 300 straight six. I remember a drag car called "The Pepper Mill" that was local to me back in the 1970s. With the race prepped 300 mill with triple carbs, that thing really hauled.

A friend used to have a ’63 Comet with a 260 2-barrel V8 & a 3-speed floor shift. It moved swiftly and effortlessly in that light unibody. A 302 would be loafing. Make sure you swap out that dang rear end as it was not even up to the torque of the 250 six according to what Ford was equipping with them stock! He had a 9" in it.

this guy was one of my hero's back in the 70's, he made straight sixes that terrorized v8's for years....bruce sizemore and his screamin 300 straight six
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Hoping someone knows something about Fords on here!

We're getting a 62 Falcon with the original 6 in it for the girlfriend. Do the newer 302s like out of an Explorer/Mountaineer bolt in the same way an old 289/302 do? I want something cheap and easy that will just require motor mounts to drop in, I cant cut the shock towers, so a SBC wont fit I guess.

Any other easy ideas?

Thanks
FORDS BETTER IDEAL,,,,,, GET YOURSELF A CHEVELLE! :hurray:

FORDS BETTER IDEAL,,,,,, GET YOURSELF A CHEVELLE! :hurray:

Why not be extremely happy and have both?

:) :)

Without a doubt it would be a budget 347 stroker! :D

If you use a FI 302 you will need a new timing chain cover from a 84 or older model and a fuel pump eccentric washer to run the mechanical fuel pump. The fuel pump mount is part of the timing cover. You will also need a front sump oil pan w/ pick up.

If you do stick with the 170/200 6cyl, look at having the log style intake machined to accept the ford 2 bbl. Do not use that stupid adapter. I will try and find the website for that conversion. Here is the link: http://classicinlines.com/logmods.asp

You do not need a computer to run a AOD trans, just the throttle position cable. This must be adjusted correctly or it will burn up the trans.

my 1st car was a 65 Falcon....cool cars. I`d run a 289! Great engine.

2300 turbo mercur (not mercury) swap...ive seen them for less than a

grand..its the english version of the escort...and with a little work are

scary fast, small compact motor, easy to slip in the shock towers...way

cool too...http://bestsmileys.com/signs11/17.gif

..thats if you want the most bang for the buck...turbos rule, dude...but

so does cubic inches...and ls1's...and 427 small blocks...if a 302 fts a

small block chevy fits too....

I know a guy that installed a 221 in one by hand back then when it became available at a Boneyard and I had one as well as a 260 in my old '64 Ford Fairlane 500 S/W. And the old wagon had a big bearing 9" under it so go figure..

Great little lightweight engines, imho!

My Nephew has a low mileage 302 on his engine stand out of I want to say a '69 mid sized Ford that he wrecked back about 20 years ago or so.

I found a junkyard 302 engine w/ a stock Ford over-the-counter true big port hi-po- high-rise on it so grabbed it and sold it to him. But it just sits there like his engine???

Personally in this day and age, I would keep it stock and install a T-5 behind it b/c it will be a GREAT economical DD by me!

And I love these old cars from back then. Be them Chevys, Fords, MOPAR's, Ramblers and even Studes!

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