Tell me how you would feel about this happing to you, please.
This past winter I gathered the cash to get a nice little 406 SHP DART short block built c/w 4340 scat crank and rods all balanced by the builder. I posted many pictures here on TC as the engine was taking shape. Many TC'ers gave there thumbs up to it's progress.

About 2 weeks ago now a fellow TC member was asking in his post, why it costs so much to have a engine build "machine work". I posted my pictures to give him a idea whats involved with the build process.

Now this is the part I'm having a problem with.
A fellow "non-TC member" but a good contributor to TC. Did a read on my post. Copied my pictures, and then went to two different forums on the web and posted in these two forums. In his mind how bad of a balance job was done on my engine. I didn't get a heads up in a PM from this fellow. No advice on how to fix the problem. No warning at all. I'm also a member on these other two forums. I don't think he new this. My engine builder is also a member of TC. Then to top all this off I was called a ASS for using the builder I did.

BTW: The builder is a very respected member of TC. Contributes on a regular basis. He owns his own shop and races his own car.

Hi Mike. That sounds rather uncool for anyone on this site to do.

On behalf of the members here I'd like to offer you an apology. Something like that is NOT what TC is about and I hope whomever did this to you will at least apologize via pm.
I don't usually get so immediately ticked off, but this is upsetting and wrong in too many ways for our great little community. If it happens again I have no problem asking them to leave, just let me know.
Al

Thank you for your support Al.

hopefully the guy will step up and apologize.

hopefully the guy will step up and apologize.

Apologies
Not likely if he did as was described above.:sad:

HOPEFULLY he'll just fade away into the sunset and we'll move on.:yes:
The guy is just an over ******** and more than likely lacks the skill or knowledge to truly know what is good, bad or ugly
But this is The United States of America the land of the free and the home of……………..

Sounds like the guy didn't realize who the real Ass was, regardless if he was correct or incorrect. If his comments were not factual, the builder could have been damaged by those comments - I would think he can seek remedies in court if that's the case.

Tell me how you would feel about this happing to you, please.
This past winter I gathered the cash to get a nice little 406 SHP DART short block built c/w 4340 scat crank and rods all balanced by the builder. I posted many pictures here on TC as the engine was taking shape. Many TC'ers gave there thumbs up to it's progress.

About 2 weeks ago now a fellow TC member was asking in his post, why it costs so much to have a engine build "machine work". I posted my pictures to give him a idea whats involved with the build process.

Now this is the part I'm having a problem with.
A fellow "non-TC member" but a good contributor to TC. Did a read on my post. Copied my pictures, and then went to two different forums on the web and posted in these two forums. In his mind how bad of a balance job was done on my engine. I didn't get a heads up in a PM from this fellow. No advice on how to fix the problem. No warning at all. I'm also a member on these other two forums. I don't think he new this. My engine builder is also a member of TC. Then to top all this off I was called a ASS for using the builder I did.

BTW: The builder is a very respected member of TC. Contributes on a regular basis. He owns his own shop and races his own car.


Hi Mike, we do a bunch of units over here, just a couple points I'll pass along here.

1-There's not a thing wrong with any of that equipment in the photo's. If the operator knows what he's doing, it will be fine.

2-That is a hard bearing balancer, that damper will be correctly balanced even "hanging" out there, IF, this is how it was done and it will NOT affect the overall shaft balance! I have 2 balancers left now (had 3), a Stewart-Warner (hard-bearing also) and a CWT "solid-mount", the S-W is similar to the one in the photo. We balance clutches and flywheel assemblies on this one while mounted ON the crank, and some of these clutchs' hang out over 4.000" past the rollers. Has no effect on the end product.

3-Those "shot's" should NOT be posted without someones consent/authorization! I'm no lawyer, but you've got be real careful using other peoples photo's anywhere! This is my own opinion.

4-I have no clue how anyone can tell the position of the weights from a "1 dimensional" photo!, I can't, I thought they reasonably centered.

5-I don't question the "quality" of anyone's work from pictures, and I certainly don't question the equipment used!! I MAY question one's
"techniques", but not the quality! I would want the pieces in my possession to make an accurate call!!

(Add) I'll give you an excellent example here of why?? I have a few milling machines that I (and my son) use here, one is an older "85B" Storm-Vulcan, the other is a "CNC" (my son had the "CNC's" and most of these that got sold recently) and I can get the IDENTICAL pattern on any cylinder head/block from either the "Storm" or the "CNC". The SAME "ra" measurements!! It took some proprietary tooling fabricated by me to achieve, but it works, and it works fine! I can "mill" aluminum heads/blocks on the "85B" and get the required finish for the Cometics AND the Fel-Pro's to seal correctly!

The advantage on the "CNC", it allows the decks to be "dialed in" without any preassembly involved! It IS a "time-saver"!

Thanks, Gary in N.Y.

P.S. Trust me on this one, I very often get "hammered" up here by some as "young" as my own son??

Part of the trouble is once they are posted on the internet they're free game for everyone to pick apart.

Welll you know something. Maybe it's time to have a little honor, at least in our little part of the internet were one member does know the other.
Thank's guy's.
I was starting to feel a little alone on this one.

Dont sweat it. He is one of those guys that post on TC and dont even own a car i bet.....Not that you have to own a car to join, but gives ya a little street credit in my book.

Hey Tony,I figured you were back at Dianos by now. I was over at your house last week with the Chevelle,not home though.

There is a good reason I only frequent two forums on the internet, and this is the only one I pay for. People are pretty civil here, not a lot of rudeness, disrespect, or just plain being an asshat. You guys are quick to protect one another from crapspray and BS, and most are mindfull of how they state things. It's nice when people try to remember there are real people behind the keyboards, and they don't deserve to be treated like crap anymore then your friends or people you work with. Most people out there won't crap on you face to face, it's beyoned me why people think it's ok on the internet. Same issue as the quiet guy that turns into a maniac when behind the wheel I guess, protection in anominity.

Dont sweat it. He is one of those guys that post on TC and dont even own a car i bet.....Not that you have to own a car to join, but gives ya a little street credit in my book.

The person he is talking about is a very good machine shop / builder

Dont sweat it. He is one of those guys that post on TC and dont even own a car i bet.....Not that you have to own a car to join, but gives ya a little street credit in my book.

So are you saying that just because someone doesn`t have a car that their input or opinion doesn`t matter? I haven`t had a car for years because of life in general doesn`t allow me to afford one but I`ve been around these cars for 20 years. My point is just because someone doesn`t own a car doesn`t mean he hasen`t earned any "street credit" as you put it.

As for the guy Mike is talking about, while I agree the pics are kinda free game once they are on the net but someone else taking them and using them to bash the builder is not cool.

So are you saying that just because someone doesn`t have a car that their input or opinion doesn`t matter? I haven`t had a car for years because of life in general doesn`t allow me to afford one but I`ve been around these cars for 20 years. My point is just because someone doesn`t own a car doesn`t mean he hasen`t earned any "street credit" as you put it.

As for the guy Mike is talking about, while I agree the pics are kinda free game once they are on the net but someone else taking them and using them to bash the builder is not cool.

Hello sschevellefan. You are right about the pictures being free game. Unless the owner is a cheap-o and doesn't like the very small amount it costs for the band width if a link is used. But I'm not one of those guys.

Like I said before. I would have liked a small heads-up in a PM first before someone started making a big deal about the machine work on other forums. In the last 1 1/2 years I have been around here. I have found TC to be like a family of sorts with members that have respect for others. To bad not all user's here think this way though.

It's like the old saying of what is said at the table stays at the table.
Most of the older members should have known this already.

Ok so who was it ??? :confused:

I really expected more 'class' out of that individual. :sad:

hopefully the guy will step up and apologize.

Still no PM. From the fellow in question.
And I don't think I ever will recieve one.

IMO, regardless of who it was, his/her IP address should be "burned" so they no longer are permitted any access to this site. We have enough of great members here (paying & non-paying) that one loss won't matter, especially a non-paying one.

IMO, regardless of who it was, his/ner IP address should be "burned" so they no longer are permitted any access to this site. We have enough of great members here (paying & non-paying) that one loss won't matter, especially a non-paying one.

He contributes alot of good information, Which is why BigRed is not saying names and i wont either.

He contributes alot of good information, Which is why BigRed is not saying names and i wont either.

Butch. Are you saying that because he is a good contributor he should be allowed to do something like bash another's work on other forums?? I don't think so. Anyone worth a damn doesn't need to put down others work and by the sound of it, Its the "technique" being bashed not the final result...
If you saw pix of my work and thought I was doing something wrong. PM, E-mail or call me. I would love to hear your thoughts. You never know I or you may learn something. But taking pix to another forum and posting negative comments about the work is plain wrong. I don't care if he's the best out there, Its all about respect and doing something like that is disrespectful and requires an apology.

Butch. Are you saying that because he is a good contributor he should be allowed to do something like bash another's work on other forums?? I don't think so. Anyone worth a damn doesn't need to put down others work and by the sound of it, Its the "technique" being bashed not the final result...
If you saw pix of my work and thought I was doing something wrong. PM, E-mail or call me. I would love to hear your thoughts. You never know I or you may learn something. But taking pix to another forum and posting negative comments about the work is plain wrong. I don't care if he's the best out there, Its all about respect and doing something like that is disrespectful and requires an apology.


I agree 100%.

i agree 100%.

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Mike, maybe you should send him a pm with a link to this thread and see if he`sman enough to post a public apology or even try to defend his actions.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Theodore Roosevelt..... Paris France..... 4/23/1910

Butch. Are you saying that because he is a good contributor he should be allowed to do something like bash another's work on other forums?? I don't think so. Anyone worth a damn doesn't need to put down others work and by the sound of it, Its the "technique" being bashed not the final result...
If you saw pix of my work and thought I was doing something wrong. PM, E-mail or call me. I would love to hear your thoughts. You never know I or you may learn something. But taking pix to another forum and posting negative comments about the work is plain wrong. I don't care if he's the best out there, Its all about respect and doing something like that is disrespectful and requires an apology.

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He was wrong to go somewhere else and bashing someone's work, who does it for a living. I have not seen the picture in question.
I worked for 10 year in a high precession metal working factory building diesel fuel injection system and if you had seen parts in process of being cut and machined you would think it would never work or be right. But then the finished product was great looking and much different than mid-process.
He was wrong!

Any real man will say the same to your face as he will behind your back and will own up to it. Superman with engines or not, and I dont know who it is at all.....but you own up to what you say and do or your just a woman with a dongle stuck to your taint.

Men are to own up to everything they say regardless of anger, hurt feelings, potential backlash and even if it means getting your butt kicked severely. Own it, man up or buy a damn dress and heels. PERIOD.

Any real man will say the same to your face as he will behind your back and will own up to it. Superman with engines or not, and I dont know who it is at all.....but you own up to what you say and do or your just a woman with a dongle stuck to your taint.

Men are to own up to everything they say regardless of anger, hurt feelings, potential backlash and even if it means getting your butt kicked severely. Own it, man up or buy a damn dress and heels. PERIOD.

Yeah but what about those midgets :D

Butch. Are you saying that because he is a good contributor he should be allowed to do something like bash another's work on other forums?? I don't think so. Anyone worth a damn doesn't need to put down others work and by the sound of it, Its the "technique" being bashed not the final result...
If you saw pix of my work and thought I was doing something wrong. PM, E-mail or call me. I would love to hear your thoughts. You never know I or you may learn something. But taking pix to another forum and posting negative comments about the work is plain wrong. I don't care if he's the best out there, Its all about respect and doing something like that is disrespectful and requires an apology.

No he shouldnt

Any real man will say the same to your face as he will behind your back and will own up to it. Superman with engines or not, and I dont know who it is at all.....but you own up to what you say and do or your just a woman with a dongle stuck to your taint.

Men are to own up to everything they say regardless of anger, hurt feelings, potential backlash and even if it means getting your butt kicked severely. Own it, man up or buy a damn dress and heels. PERIOD.

Still no word from Carl. :sad:

Mike
I saw the posting on the other site and thought it was your engine and Butch confirmed it. I gotta say I as a little suprised by the posting and saw no point to it. Your engine builder has been very quiet through all this and I have to commend him. Its one thing for you to question your engine builders workmanship (I did with mine in this site and my engine builder's explaination made sense) but to have quality of workmanship critized with out being asked is uncalled for. I've been in the automotive and trucking service business as a service manager for over 10 years and I never critize someone esle's workmanship for my gain when I wind up fixing their mistakes. I only hope it is reciprical when my mistakes wind up in someone elses shop. Its not fair and I believe it is unprofessisional. I certianly wouldn't question your engine builders quality of workmanship. If he built junk he wouldn't be in business. This country is too small to get away with junk. If he felt you were getting a junk job then a simple email or PM bringing that to your attention would have been appropriate.
Steve

Mike
I saw the posting on the other site and thought it was your engine and Butch confirmed it. I gotta say I as a little surprised by the posting and saw no point to it. Your engine builder has been very quiet through all this and I have to commend him. Its one thing for you to question your engine builders workmanship (I did with mine in this site and my engine builder's explanation made sense) but to have quality of workmanship criticized with out being asked is uncalled for. I've been in the automotive and trucking service business as a service manager for over 10 years and I never criticize someone esle's workmanship for my gain when I wind up fixing their mistakes. I only hope it is reciprical when my mistakes wind up in someone elses shop. Its not fair and I believe it is unprofessional. I certainly wouldn't question your engine builders quality of workmanship. If he built junk he wouldn't be in business. This country is too small to get away with junk. If he felt you were getting a junk job then a simple email or PM bringing that to your attention would have been appropriate.
Steve

You hit the nail on the head Steve..:thumbsup:
Thank you for the support...

Mike
I saw the posting on the other site and thought it was your engine and Butch confirmed it. I gotta say I as a little suprised by the posting and saw no point to it. Your engine builder has been very quiet through all this and I have to commend him. Its one thing for you to question your engine builders workmanship (I did with mine in this site and my engine builder's explaination made sense) but to have quality of workmanship critized with out being asked is uncalled for. I've been in the automotive and trucking service business as a service manager for over 10 years and I never critize someone esle's workmanship for my gain when I wind up fixing their mistakes. I only hope it is reciprical when my mistakes wind up in someone elses shop. Its not fair and I believe it is unprofessisional. I certianly wouldn't question your engine builders quality of workmanship. If he built junk he wouldn't be in business. This country is too small to get away with junk. If he felt you were getting a junk job then a simple email or PM bringing that to your attention would have been appropriate.
Steve

If i see something wrong with someones work I ask who did the engine or what ever we are talking about

I then find out how to contact them and just let them know their was a mistake or something that was over looked, It happens !

I will not knock another shop because I dont need to do that, I treat people the way I want to be treated

Butch, I know it`s Halloween but whats with resurecting all of these dead threads lately?

Butch, I know it`s Halloween but whats with resurecting all of these dead threads lately?
It's slow at work..... :D

I think it is because this issue has been brought up again in another section :(

I would have PMed the low class builder that you demand the post be removed from the other site, if he can. And apoligize to you for doing what he did. Matter of fact. If not. A PM to Al, which is now TheDon most likely in control of that and have him removed permanently from this site.

We dont need these kind of low class people posting here, and doing "business" with other TCers IMO.

Carl will never admit he did anything wrong. :mad:

I think you should just try to get over it Mickey, everybody knows who did what to who by now.
How long has it been anyway, a year now?