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gotago
Apr 26th, 09, 11:18 PM
My "427" assembly has finally begun. I got the block and rotating assembly back from the machine shop on Thursday. Friday was an inventory of parts day and I checked the ring gap. Rings all fit at .020 at 1" in the bore. Saturday was a shovel dirt day for half the day(wife is planting crap) and then I gave the block a final cleaning. I was suprised at the amount of crud that was still in the galleys. At the end of Sat, the block looked like this:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4456.jpg

Today, all the block plugs were installed and the crank is in. Here are some plastigage results:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4458.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4459.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4463.jpg

They all checked out to .002 with the plasticgage with the #2 main cap a little tighter. I measured the crank and the main bores with the bearings installed and my math said .018. So far, so good. (I think)

Here is a shot of the bottom end. The crank turns freely but I haven't measured the crank endplay. The ARP studs are torqued at 100 ft lbs on all the studs using ARP lube. I almost forgot to put some sealant on the rear main cap when I put the seal in.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4464.jpg

I might have gotten more done but I had an old pilot bearing that wouldn't come out so I had to fool with that for about an hour. I even broke my new slide hammer getting it out but there's not a lot that stands up to a Dremel tool and determination. I should have the short block done in the next couple of days and the heads on this weekend. I still have to find a degree wheel and I want to CC a cylinder before I put the heads on it. So far, its coming along nicely.

kettbo
Apr 26th, 09, 11:22 PM
Nice pics Mark!
Glad to see that beast coming together!!!!!

1966malibu
Apr 26th, 09, 11:22 PM
Go Mark go, it will not be long now until your back at the track :yes:

TOG

frankf72malibu
Apr 26th, 09, 11:31 PM
Mark,
Looking good, sir. Maybe put a coupe of passes on her this fall up here in Dallas?

FourEightyNine
Apr 26th, 09, 11:38 PM
Looks good Mark:thumbsup:

Are the second rings a larger gap than the tops?

kettbo
Apr 26th, 09, 11:40 PM
Looks good Mark:thumbsup:

Are the second rings a larger gap than the tops?

Who gave you those ring gaps Mark?

Brettd85
Apr 27th, 09, 12:25 AM
Beautiful! :thumbsup:

gotago
Apr 27th, 09, 12:34 AM
Looks good Mark:thumbsup:

Are the second rings a larger gap than the tops?

Truth be told, I don't remember. All I was doing was checking for the minimum. They're Hastings Plasma moly and the directions that came with them said minimum of .004 for every inch of bore. I ran the numbers on the Hastings website and they're the correct rings for a 427 at 60 over.

You think the seconds need more gap?

OutCast
Apr 27th, 09, 12:39 AM
Engine is looking great Mark.

Good save on the rear main seal. I wish I had put a little more sealer on mine. :rolleyes:

gotago
Apr 27th, 09, 12:40 AM
Mark,
Looking good, sir. Maybe put a coupe of passes on her this fall up here in Dallas?

I hope so!! I'll be away on a little business trip until winter but as soon as I can, I'm coming back up. I had a blast last time:thumbsup:

FourEightyNine
Apr 27th, 09, 12:47 AM
Just depends on how picky you wana be. Granted I havent done alot of testing on this, since I dont have a dyno nor have I filed my own rings beyond a week or two ago. But everything I have seen is saying now that having the second ring bigger can add some free ponies.

Also if you were to ever possibly in the land of oz think about running any form of nitrous this would be the time to decide. Not saying the minimum gap will be hurting N/A or on nitrous. Having the rings too tight is worse than a little loose.

Only reason im saying this is when i build the 489 the first time I knew the rings were on the tight side and it bugged me knowing that I didnt fix it.

cobaltchev67
Apr 27th, 09, 3:45 AM
I agree, give it .002-.004 thousandths more if you someday wanna play with the juice. Piece of mind if nothing else and that little difference in the gap won't make much difference at all in power, and certainly not in seat of the pants scale.

loader1
Apr 27th, 09, 7:44 PM
Looking awesome Mark! Sure missed the heck out of ya at the track.

gotago
Apr 29th, 09, 10:26 PM
Here's a quick update:

Stuck #1 and 2 piston in the block today. Woulda done more but I had a hell of a time getting the caps off the rods. Next time I get an idea about wave-loc bolts somebody please talk me out of it. The rod bearing clearance on #1 was .001. I'm not going to check each one, the chances of me nicking the crank are real good with these wave loc bolts. The rod side clearance was .015 if I measured it correctly. The crank turns freely and the rods and pistons look like they turn just fine. My deck clearance is .021 which gives me a calculated CR of 11.72 static and 9.63 dynamic. Not too bad at all;)

Tomorrow I should be able to finish the short block and it should be fully assembled by Sunday. The mandatory pics will follow.

FRYNTYR
Apr 29th, 09, 10:34 PM
Here's a quick update:

Stuck #1 and 2 piston in the block today. Woulda done more but I had a hell of a time getting the caps off the rods. Next time I get an idea about wave-loc bolts somebody please talk me out of it. .

l:) I can envision you're frustration.

Did I go over torque sequence and tapping the crank back and forth to set the thrust and settle the other mains while performing this task.?

kettbo
Apr 29th, 09, 10:48 PM
.001" 'measured' rod bearing clearance sounds 'tight'
are you sure?
Max Perf BBC Book by Staffel says .002----.003
My MOTORS book says .0009-.003

Staffel says side clearance should be .015-.025

I encourage you to check more reference material and use micrometers here Mark....
I'd be feeling calmer if you had .002" clearance on the rods.....or at least .0015"

Maybe someone smarter than me will chime in.

gotago
Apr 29th, 09, 10:52 PM
l:) I can envision you're frustration.

Did I go over torque sequence and tapping the crank back and forth to set the thrust and settle the other mains while performing this task.?

Umm no. I torqued the crank starting at #3 and went from inside out. To set the thrust, I worked the crank back and forth prying it with a screwdriver. I didn't check the endplay. Should I loosen the mains, beat the crank at both ends, and retorque?

Frustration is a mild description.:D

gotago
Apr 29th, 09, 10:57 PM
.001" 'measured' rod bearing clearance sounds 'tight'
are you sure?
Max Perf BBC Book by Staffel says .002----.003
My MOTORS book says .0009-.003

Staffel says side clearance should be .015-.025

I encourage you to check more reference material and use micrometers here Mark....
I'd be feeling calmer if you had .002" clearance on the rods.....or at least .0015"

Maybe someone smarter than me will chime in.

I have a stack of books including the one you referenced. I have a feeling the plastigage wasn't too accurate since the rod moved as I was trying to get the cap off. The problem is getting the rod cap off without nicking the crank. I'll prolly put some bearings in the rods and measure them, now that I know how to get the damn caps off, and do the same with the crank tomorrow.

kettbo
Apr 29th, 09, 11:02 PM
the rod caps can be buggers sometimes.
My rods Plastigauged right at .002 and my mains were nearly as thin as the .003" block.

gotago
Apr 30th, 09, 11:15 PM
Well, I got 4 slugs in when my ring compressor self-destructed:mad:

I got to feeling a little nervous about setting the thrust bearing so I redid the procedure and measured the crank endplay. It came out to .007:thumbsup:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4471.jpg

Plastagage on the rod journals ain't happening so I tried to measure it. If I did the math correctly, its around .003. The 4 slugs rotate freely with plenty of clearance. My deck clearance came out to .021.
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4470.jpg

I'll get a degree wheel tomorrow and a better quality ring compressor. Should have the short block done tomorrow. She should still be together by the end of the day on SUN. Saturday will be cam degree day and P/V measuring day plus the majority of the assembly. Next week will be indexing the scattershield and mating the trans to the motor. It should be back in the car next weekend. If anyone will be in the neighborhood then, feel free to stop by:D

Kevin R
Apr 30th, 09, 11:17 PM
Keep it up Mark:yes: you are building a bad a$$ motor and you are going to LOVE IT:yes::D:thumbsup:

kettbo
May 1st, 09, 12:08 AM
Mark,

Your clearances sound better!!!!!
I like the "Block Deck Orange paint....never saw a painted deck surface like that!

gotago
May 1st, 09, 12:22 AM
Mark,

Your clearances sound better!!!!!
I like the "Block Deck Orange paint....never saw a painted deck surface like that!

Its overspray, it will come right off when I clean the deck for the gasket

Brettd85
May 1st, 09, 12:27 AM
Yea my ring compressor broke too... :sad:

kettbo
May 1st, 09, 12:34 AM
This is what you'd rather be doing...
N Texas Chevelle guys....
Nice vid !!!
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271799

gotago
May 1st, 09, 12:48 AM
This is what you'd rather be doing...
N Texas Chevelle guys....
Nice vid !!!
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=271799

If the car had been together, I'd have been there. The strip is a nice 1/8th mile track in Denton TX about 4.5 hours north of me. I met most of those guys once and I can tell you that they are really a great bunch of folks and are totally serious about horsepower! Lots of 540s and well tuned cars. Its too bad there couldn't be a TCNW/NTC event, it'd be a hoot. That black 69 has a 540 HR between the fenders and yes, its on the squeeze........................

I had one of the slowest cars there:(

1966malibu
May 1st, 09, 1:11 AM
Its too bad there couldn't be a TCNW/NTC event, it'd be a hoot.

Maybe we should start planing for 2010 West Coast Chevelle Gathering, Sacramento Raceway :beers:

http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a27/jirinav/chevelle/



TOG

66 Buick Special
May 1st, 09, 2:33 AM
Glad it's coming together Mark.
Sounds like you are doing a great job checking everything.:thumbsup:
Can't wait for you to get it all back together.

Sacramento... could be fun.:yes:

When I was road racing I made a trip to Riverside for the "Last Lap of Riverside" event. It was a blast!:thumbsup:

RAMBO
May 1st, 09, 12:18 PM
... I had one of the slowest cars there:(

Why should it be any different in texas than it was here? :D :D :D

(sorry man, door was wide open, no way i couldn't go there)

gotago
May 1st, 09, 1:03 PM
Why should it be any different in texas than it was here? :D :D :D

(sorry man, door was wide open, no way i couldn't go there)

That's OK Oldsmobubbleboy, I'm about to fix that:yes:

kettbo
May 1st, 09, 7:35 PM
Why should it be any different in texas than it was here? :D :D :D

(sorry man, door was wide open, no way i couldn't go there)

l:)l:) Ben usually refrains from this stuff but DAMN, that's a 1000m sniper shot right between the eyes!

That's OK Oldsmobubbleboy, I'm about to fix that:yes:

I'm still praying the weather crew are all smoking crack so even the Elky can humble your current best next week.:)

gotago
May 1st, 09, 7:52 PM
I'm still praying the weather crew are all smoking crack so even the Elky can humble your current best next week.:)

I sincerly wish you luck George:thumbsup:

Every man should have a taste of power.......................


...................before he gets throughly crushed:yes:

kettbo
May 1st, 09, 8:11 PM
I sincerly wish you luck George:thumbsup:

Every man should have a taste of power.......................


...................before he gets throughly crushed:yes:

I sure hope your new engine crushes my Elky's initial BBC times.:D

Just help in the good wishes for some good weather next WED or FRI for some TnT.

gotago
May 1st, 09, 10:32 PM
The short block is dun!!!:hurray:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4472.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4473.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4474.jpg

The rotating assembly looks great. I rechecked the rod side clearances and they're .019, good to go. The cam is in straight up and will be degreed tomorrow. So far, so good:thumbsup:

The pistons do hit the head though. This was anticipated and I'll grind them out a little tomorrow. This is another time the Berg library files paid off!!
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4476.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4475.jpg

So far, I'm still on schedule:D

66 Buick Special
May 1st, 09, 10:42 PM
Looks great Mark!

Looks like a little custom grinding in regards to piston/head clearance and your goodtogo.:thumbsup:

kettbo
May 1st, 09, 11:00 PM
Excellent!!!!!!

OutCast
May 1st, 09, 11:28 PM
Nice to see it all coming together. I think you will be very happy with the results.

With just my little bit of head work, cam and intake swap, I was able to knock off .5 seconds off my e.t. and .1 off my 60' on engine alone.

I hope you fair at least as favorably. Judging by the domes on those pistons, I think you'll have even more success in store.

frankf72malibu
May 2nd, 09, 1:04 AM
I had one of the slowest cars there:(

Mark,
I beg to differ sir. I had the slowest car there. :D. That did not keep us from flogging on them though. :thumbsup: That issue is also being worked on.... Hope you can make it up in the fall.
Frank

gotago
May 2nd, 09, 11:25 PM
I fell behind today degreeing the cam:( What a pain in the ass, especially if you've never done it before. My numbers were way off and I got to looking and discovered the crank sprocket was in the wrong keyway:o Put it back on straight up and my numbers were still bad and I couldn't figure it out so I did what anyone would have done...............called Darryl:D The Doc talked me through a couple of things and the cam's in at 104*, right on spec:hurray:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4477.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4479.jpg

I'll have to start turning wrenches early tomorrow to make up for the time

Thanks again Darryl for the conversation and the advice!!:thumbsup:

gotago
May 3rd, 09, 10:15 PM
Well, nothing too exciting today. I clearanced my heads so the pistons wouldn't hit. It took me a long time to get them right but the pistons no longer hit the chamber at TDC. I took a lot out and at least the exhaust valves are unshrouded fer sure. This is what they looked like when the piston hit them
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4476.jpg

This is what they look like now:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4481.jpg

I should re-cc them but I have compression to spare.

I did the P/V check three times:mad: Set the head on the deck without a gasket and the intake has .100 clearance. I couldn't find anywhere the exhaust valve touched the clay:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4482.jpg

Had a good conversation with BrIan today. He was kind enough to give me Doc's sure fire main bearing seat procedure. May have to try it before the pan goes on.

Have to get the heads on and then the tin. Everything from now on is just bolt on so it should go fairly quickly (famous last words......) Should make my weekend goal.

Moving right along............................

kettbo
May 3rd, 09, 11:29 PM
Atta a boy Mark!!!!!! Looks great. Hope you have smooth sailing.

Brettd85
May 4th, 09, 1:36 AM
Mark, looks like your doing excellent work! :thumbsup: Please make adequate room for those pistons! We saw where one of my pistons were touching, so we clearanced that chamber and all the chambers in the same place. Turns out not all the pistons/chambers were exactly alike and things made contact. Just a word of warning, not tryin to scare ya. Otherwise looks really nice!

gotago
May 4th, 09, 11:13 PM
Almost there:yes::
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4484.jpg

I would have gotten more done but I took the time to CC #1 chamber to see just how much larger the grinding made it. It came out to another 5 CCs. If ya average it out it comes out to about 109 CCs per chamber give or take a couple. That puts me at 11:1 static and 9:1 dynamic:thumbsup: Not too shabby!! I was also delayed because as I was giving the left bank the once over before I put the head on, I saw some clay still in the bore. The closer I looked, there was clay in the first ring:mad: Yarded out the piston and cleaned it and stuffed it back in. Glad I noticed it as it would have screwed up my top ring for sure. Tomorrow I'll finish the valve train and get the tin on it. If all goes well with the scatter shield, it should be ready to go back in on schedule.

Here's a mandatory organized garage pic for Dave:D:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4485.jpg

OutCast
May 4th, 09, 11:18 PM
Engine is looking awesome, Mark.

Randy's gals ain't lookin' too shabby, either. ;)

You are going to be creating your own problems with neighbors with all the rappity-rap that thing is going to be making. :yes:

PS, is that a Kokanee six pack on the top shelf ? :beers:

FourEightyNine
May 4th, 09, 11:18 PM
Atta boy Mark keep it up:thumbsup:

gotago
May 4th, 09, 11:24 PM
PS, is that a Kokanee six pack on the top shelf ? :beers:

Well it was a half rack...............:D

Dave
May 5th, 09, 12:15 AM
That's not too bad, I like the brown paper bench cover, Just like the table at your favorite Proctologist, ain't it? :D

Now get a hose reel before you drink the last half rack. Cause when You get loaded on the Koke, and take a header into the motor and knock it over, I don't want that to be used as the excuse as to why it didn't beat George's sled.;)

gotago
May 5th, 09, 12:18 AM
That's not too bad, I like the brown paper bench cover, Just like the table at your favorite Proctologist, ain't it? :D

Dave, missed ya buddy:thumbsup:

The hose usually hangs on the wall, been too lazy to hang it up.

Dave
May 5th, 09, 12:21 AM
I was letting your thread run it's useful course. I think it's done that, so I'll be joining in now.:D

Juhosaphat
May 5th, 09, 12:23 AM
It's all coming together really nicely Mark :thumbsup: And your garage is 10000000000x better than mine, as everybody saw from my last pics lol

Brettd85
May 5th, 09, 12:32 AM
Looks impressive, I think things are going to work out perfect. Your attention to detail is what will make the difference. :thumbsup:

66 Buick Special
May 5th, 09, 2:24 AM
You've gotta be getting pumped to fire that bad boy up.

Looking good!:thumbsup:

gotago
May 5th, 09, 10:50 PM
Valvetrain is finished, valves are lashed, timing chain cover is on and the pan is ready to go on but I'm letting the Ultra Black cure on the front oil pan seal overnight before I put the pan on. Plenty of clearance between the pick-up and the pan. I have to wash the intake before I put it on as I did some clean up of the runners and I want to make sure its clean before it goes on. I had some problems with three lifters in the even bank, they were really sticky and wouldn't go in. I took a gun bore brush and some oil and cleaned the lifter bores. They work OK now, after the lash was set, I watched them and from what I could see, all the lifters turned in the bores. Should be buttoned up in an hour or so tomorrow and shes ready for paint:D

I'm mounting the scattershield with studs and should have it indexed by the end of Thursday night. If all goes well, she still should be ready to go in this weekend. If ya got an extra set of fingers, cross them for me.

I'm starting to wonder if my 396 block can be punched out to accept standard 427 pistons...................;)

OutCast
May 5th, 09, 10:59 PM
Go Speed Racer, Go !!!

Fingers crossed for you.

I'd almost be willing to cash in my airmiles and come be part of the fire-up celebration.

But then I'd be hanging on you to take me out to the range to blast some caps instead.

gotago
May 6th, 09, 12:24 AM
Go Speed Racer, Go !!!

Fingers crossed for you.

I'd almost be willing to cash in my airmiles and come be part of the fire-up celebration.

But then I'd be hanging on you to take me out to the range to blast some caps instead.

C'mon down, I saved my last three Ambers in anticipation of the event:D

This is Texas, if there's alcohol, there has to be firearms:thumbsup:

Dave
May 6th, 09, 1:53 AM
This is Texas, if there's alcohol, there has to be firearms:thumbsup:

This is why most of the Darwin award winners hail from Texass.:yes:

gotago
May 6th, 09, 6:01 AM
This is why most of the Darwin award winners hail from Texass.:yes:

You should try driving here:D

gotago
May 6th, 09, 11:08 PM
All buttoned up and ready for paint:hurray:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4486.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4487.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4488.jpg

I'll paint the motor and some other stuff tomorrow and finish it on FRI. Should still at least have it stuffed in the car this weekend.

Moving right along...............................

kettbo
May 6th, 09, 11:16 PM
Looks GREAT MARK, just like my 454~~~~~~
Betcha can't wait!

FourEightyNine
May 6th, 09, 11:18 PM
Congrats Mark, :hurray:....thats gona be sweeeeeeet

65lkey
May 6th, 09, 11:20 PM
Man that looks awesome Mark, it is gonna FLY. this thread depresses me cause I'm waiting on parts

66SSFan
May 7th, 09, 1:14 AM
:thumbsup:

66 Buick Special
May 7th, 09, 7:57 AM
You've got the hard part done.:thumbsup:

Hope to see the video by Sunday night.:yes:

gotago
May 9th, 09, 12:33 AM
The bullet:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4492.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4493.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4494.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4495.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4496.jpg

The weapon will be loaded soon:yes:

The scattershield was a pain in the stones! It dialed in right at spec, I had to remove it about 5 times to get it right. I checked it at 8 different spots to be sure, the wife can read a dial indicator better than I can!
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4489.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4490.jpg

The clutch is still good to go:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4491.jpg

Went to mate the TKO with the motor and the upper right bolt wouldn't go in for anything. Took the bell off about 3 times and finally had to run a tap in the hole and the bolt went in without a problem.

Should have gotten new motor mounts but the old ones will do for now. If I can find another pair of hands, it will go in tomorrow, Sunday at the latest:yes:

loader1
May 9th, 09, 12:40 AM
That badboy looks awesome, Mark! Wish I could be there to lend a hand.:(

Kevin R
May 9th, 09, 12:43 AM
Wont be long now. Good job Mark:yes:

kettbo
May 9th, 09, 2:37 AM
the wife can read a dial indicator better than I can!

She ought to, she's used to small dimensions!:D:hurray::beers::D

OutCast
May 9th, 09, 2:48 AM
Awesome Mark. Glad to see it all come together for you.

It's going to be a whole new ride.

FRYNTYR
May 9th, 09, 3:07 AM
She ought to, she's used to small dimensions!:D:hurray::beers::D

l:) Not bad George!!!!

gotago
May 9th, 09, 4:11 AM
l:) Not bad George!!!!

He lives today...............

Tomorrow though.....................................

kettbo
May 9th, 09, 5:43 AM
He lives today...............

Tomorrow though.....................................

Gotcha!:D:thumbsup::p

gotago
May 10th, 09, 12:17 AM
Its between the fenders:hurray:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4497.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4498.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4499.jpg

I had to wait until my neighbor was free so he could help me. While I was waiting, I started to bolt some stuff on, I got a new 3 second fuel filter and discovered that the left motor mount was broken so I replaced it. It acted a little like Chad's TW, we had it almost in and had to yank it so I could trim a little off the scattershield to clearance the header on the left side. It won't be fired off tomorrow as I broke my temp sender and I doubt if any of the local shops has an Autometer sender in stock (I miss Baxters:()

Anyway if that's all that happens during the start-up, I'll be a happy camper! Shouldn't be long now...............................

Juhosaphat
May 10th, 09, 12:25 AM
Its between the fenders:hurray:
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4497.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4498.jpg
http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/IMG_4499.jpg

I had to wait until my neighbor was free so he could help me. While I was waiting, I started to bolt some stuff on, I got a new 3 second fuel filter and discovered that the left motor mount was broken so I replaced it. It acted a little like Chad's TW, we had it almost in and had to yank it so I could trim a little off the scattershield to clearance the header on the left side. It won't be fired off tomorrow as I broke my temp sender and I doubt if any of the local shops has an Autometer sender in stock (I miss Baxters:()

Anyway if that's all that happens during the start-up, I'll be a happy camper! Shouldn't be long now...............................

That's nothing :noway: TW is in a league of her own lately :sad:

Sounds good though. Can't wait for the video!

kettbo
May 10th, 09, 1:37 AM
Excellent Mark, let her rip!

Dave
May 10th, 09, 1:50 AM
Nice Photochoppin.;) getting pretty good.

gotago
May 10th, 09, 10:10 AM
Nice Photochoppin.;) getting pretty good.

Ya, it took me a long time to edit out the pro-charger:D

FRYNTYR
May 10th, 09, 11:38 AM
I feel a fuel system up grade coming. That beast will be thirsty.

Fat Tire
May 11th, 09, 7:59 AM
Looks good Mark.. The hard part is over... :yes: Keep the pics coming.. Make sure to get the whole car in one with an engine shot.. i've always liked your car with the color combo and all..:thumbsup:

gotago
May 12th, 09, 11:27 PM
Well, tomorrow should be the day:hurray: My temp sender is supposed to arrive. I primed it today and I had about 30 pounds of oil pressure off the drill. I know the oil pump works as I found out real quick that I forgot to put a plug in by the oil filter:sad: After I cleaned up the second largest oil spill next to the Exxon Valdez, I put the plug in the block.

I'll put the headers on tomorrow as I found out that nobody in this town of 2 million people sells the right header gaskets:mad: Then the rad goes in and I'll drop in the distributor and turn the key:thumbsup:

BTW, if the distributor is 180 out, do I turn the crank one or two complete turns?

FRYNTYR
May 12th, 09, 11:40 PM
Well, tomorrow should be the day:hurray: My temp sender is supposed to arrive. I primed it today and I had about 30 pounds of oil pressure off the drill. I know the oil pump works as I found out real quick that I forgot to put a plug in by the oil filter:sad: After I cleaned up the second largest oil spill next to the Exxon Valdez, I put the plug in the block.

I'll put the headers on tomorrow as I found out that nobody in this town of 2 million people sells the right header gaskets:mad: Then the rad goes in and I'll drop in the distributor and turn the key:thumbsup:

BTW, if the distributor is 180 out, do I turn the crank one or two complete turns?

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webfoot
May 12th, 09, 11:57 PM
Good luck tomorrow!

kettbo
May 13th, 09, 12:47 AM
I know the oil pump works as I found out real quick that I forgot to put a plug in by the oil filter:sad: After I cleaned up the second largest oil spill next to the Exxon Valdez, I put the plug in the block.

What is up with you and oil spills?
Did you already forget about when you were servicing your truck, adding gallons of Delo with the drain plug out?:yes::p

gotago
May 13th, 09, 12:29 PM
What is up with you and oil spills?
Did you already forget about when you were servicing your truck, adding gallons of Delo with the drain plug out?:yes::p

That's what happens when I try and hold a conversation with you and do something useful at the same time:p:D

RAMBO
May 13th, 09, 12:32 PM
Lol

gotago
May 13th, 09, 10:44 PM
Its ALIVE:hurray::beers::thumbsup::D

Battery was almost dead and I had the dizzy in 180 out initially but got the battery charged, fixed the dizzy and she fired!! Sounds real good, no noises that aren't supposed to be there. I could only run it about 10 or so minutes as its late here and I have my own version of Janet next door. Have to adjust the clutch and yes, I have to chase an oil leak but SHE LIVES!!!!

Many thanks to all of you for the help and support during this build!!!!!

Brettd85
May 13th, 09, 10:49 PM
:thumbsup: Way to go Mark! I think its going to be a really sweet running engine for you. Start her up and finish the break in as if it never stopped. I think you did a really nice job on this one. :yes:

Now go drink some :beers: with a cigar!

66SSFan
May 13th, 09, 10:53 PM
:thumbsup:

Dave
May 13th, 09, 10:56 PM
F'em, fire it up and break it in the right way.:yes:

1966malibu
May 13th, 09, 11:20 PM
Where is the video Mark :(.

Great job, cant wait to hear how it does at the track :thumbsup:.

TOG

Kevin R
May 13th, 09, 11:22 PM
F'em, fire it up and break it in the right way.:yes:

Ya X2 Mark... Dont leave anything to chance. Get the 20 min in and change the oil.:yes:

FourEightyNine
May 13th, 09, 11:40 PM
Right on Mark:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

kettbo
May 13th, 09, 11:57 PM
Great job!

OutCast
May 14th, 09, 2:27 AM
Way to get it handled, Mark.

Soon it'll be a bit of this...

http://bestsmileys.com/cars/6.gif

Then you'll upgrade to this...

http://bestsmileys.com/cars/3.gif

And before you know it San Antonio SWAT is all over you...

http://bestsmileys.com/cars/2.gif

Best wishes with "Janet".

FRYNTYR
May 14th, 09, 2:41 AM
Good news Mark, can't wait to hear the maiden drive report!

66 Buick Special
May 14th, 09, 7:42 AM
Great job Mark!:hurray:

Better go ahead and order another pair of tires for the back.:yes::thumbsup:

kettbo
May 14th, 09, 7:09 PM
:Dwaiting to hear it is out of the Chevelle again.:D

RAMBO
May 14th, 09, 7:53 PM
Way to go!!!!

gotago
May 14th, 09, 10:35 PM
Fixed my oil leak, it turned out to be the boss just above the oil filter. NO LEAKS:hurray: Clutch is adjusted. Tomorrow I'll put the hood back on it and take it out and seat the rings and change the oil. She idles really well and sounds mean as can be. Video coming soon.....................

kettbo
May 14th, 09, 10:43 PM
Congrats Mark!
The hood is not a requirement!
Awaiting the vid, HURRY UP!

66 Buick Special
May 15th, 09, 10:27 AM
Congrats Mark!
The hood is not a requirement!
Awaiting the vid, HURRY UP!

I think the hood is more of a requirement in Texas where the tumble weeds might attack him.:D

Glad to hear it's running and sounding good!

Video, video, video!:hurray:

gotago
May 16th, 09, 12:00 AM
This is a little crappy, needed more light:
http://s418.photobucket.com/albums/pp264/gotago396/?action=view&current=MVI_4500.flv

She runs great!! Took it out around the neighborhood. First impressions are that it comes up in RPM a lot faster than my old motor. It took all my self control not to romp on it!! Changed the oil and the leak is fixed. I'm going to have to get another shroud and I still need to put it on a light and tune it. Still running Loader's 670 and it idles really well. I was concerned about running the scattershield as the TKOs are picky but its smooth as silk!!

My wife was helping me get the hood back on it and she looked at the motor and said "That's wrong." I was a little puzzled at first and then she said, "Its not a 396, its a 427. Are you going to change the decal?" I love that girl:thumbsup:

Now I NEED to get to the track!!

The weapon is loaded and I'm goin' ELKY huntin':yes:

65lkey
May 16th, 09, 12:24 AM
sounds damn good mark

kettbo
May 16th, 09, 1:06 AM
My wife was helping me get the hood back on it and she looked at the motor and said "That's wrong." I was a little puzzled at first and then she said, "Its not a 396, its a 427. Are you going to change the decal?" I love that girl:thumbsup:

Now I NEED to get to the track!!

The weapon is loaded and I'm goin' ELKY huntin':yes:

Yes, sounds like you have the wife on your side. You gotta ditch ALL 396 emblems, upgrade to 427 units.

Elky hunting? I got a few little things cooking for the next outing. More traction and more power. They go hand in hand. I wish you the best ol man, but I don't see you getting used to that beast for several outing.

gotago
May 16th, 09, 1:17 AM
I wish you the best ol man, but I don't see you getting used to that beast for several outing.

As long as I get faster each time, let it take as long as it takes.

Actually, I may get to the track once before I leave. As long as it runs somewhere in the 12s I'll be happy. That was my original goal.

Now, back to the last of my Alaskan Ambers:(

66SSFan
May 16th, 09, 1:22 AM
Sounds great Mark and it will be very rewarding having done the work yourself:thumbsup:
I'm really excited for you to run it at the track:)

kettbo
May 16th, 09, 1:58 AM
I upgraded to wireless modem inside my house. Allowed me to grab the laptop and head to the kitchen. I poured me a generous shot of Dewar's...and am drinking it, dedicating it to your future success. See! What are pals for?

gotago
May 16th, 09, 2:06 AM
I upgraded to wireless modem inside my house. Allowed me to grab the laptop and head to the kitchen. I poured me a generous shot of Dewar's...and am drinking it, dedicating it to your future success. See! What are pals for?

Why thank you George, email me a shot will ya? I'm watching the Quiet Man as we speak.......................

Dave
May 16th, 09, 2:07 AM
I upgraded to wireless modem inside my house. Allowed me to grab the laptop and head to the kitchen. I poured me a generous shot of Dufus...and am drinking it, dedicating it to your future success. See! What are pals for?

Is that what's wrong with Ya?:confused:

Anyway, this counts as one more.............

1966malibu
May 16th, 09, 2:11 AM
Mark your new motor sounds mean :thumbsup:. Hope you get a chance to go to the track before your little trip ;). If you do make sure you post videos.

TOG

OutCast
May 16th, 09, 2:17 AM
My wife was helping me get the hood back on it and she looked at the motor and said "That's wrong." I was a little puzzled at first and then she said, "Its not a 396, its a 427. Are you going to change the decal?" I love that girl:thumbsup:

Oh Man, congrats to you. We married same kind of lady's. :thumbsup:

So happy the new mill is coming to the party.

kettbo
May 16th, 09, 2:28 AM
Is that what's wrong with Ya?:confused:

Anyway, this counts as one more.............


I'm closin' in on ya DAVE:yes:

Dave
May 16th, 09, 2:43 AM
Only in post counts.;)

Brettd85
May 16th, 09, 2:47 AM
Sounds pretty damn good! Nice work. :thumbsup: What cam again?

gotago
May 16th, 09, 2:54 AM
What cam again?

The same one you have only on a 110 LSA

Brettd85
May 16th, 09, 3:02 AM
thought so... :D Your gonna like that whole combo, seems to work for Kevin and I. :yes:

FRYNTYR
May 16th, 09, 3:14 AM
I'm eagerly awaiting burnout report and "G" force testing feedback,

66 Buick Special
May 16th, 09, 3:19 AM
Congrats Mark!:beers:

She sounds sweet!

Now you just need to get your wife to film the tire shredding action footage.:D

muncher
May 16th, 09, 8:55 AM
That's gret Mark - nice to have her back on the road again I bet.

gotago
May 17th, 09, 3:15 PM
Well I took the car out today for its first long ride. I have the initial set at 18*. Power is smooth thru the RPM range and it shifts really well. I got brave and took it through the gears shifting at 4800 and it comes up really fast, a lot faster than I'm used to. I'm definatly going to reset the rev limiter to 6500 or I'll be in trouble. I started out at a red light and by the time I got to 4th, the speedo sat at 120, not that I believe it. The only bad part was the traffic and it got to 210 degrees, I had the heater on and everything else to cool it down:( I'll really have to get another shroud. The other concern I have is when its warm, I have about 15 PSI oil pressure at idle. At cruise, its at 50. I'm running 10-30 in it now and may switch to 20-50 for the track.

How long would y'all say to run it before you'd consider it broken in?

FourEightyNine
May 17th, 09, 3:23 PM
Well I took the car out today for its first long ride. I have the initial set at 18*. Power is smooth thru the RPM range and it shifts really well. I got brave and took it through the gears shifting at 4800 and it comes up really fast, a lot faster than I'm used to. I'm definatly going to reset the rev limiter to 6500 or I'll be in trouble. I started out at a red light and by the time I got to 4th, the speedo sat at 120, not that I believe it. The only bad part was the traffic and it got to 210 degrees, I had the heater on and everything else to cool it down:( I'll really have to get another shroud. The other concern I have is when its warm, I have about 15 PSI oil pressure at idle. At cruise, its at 50. I'm running 10-30 in it now and may switch to 20-50 for the track.

How long would y'all say to run it before you'd consider it broken in?

As long as you have pressure at idle your fine. I wouldnt reccomend thicker oil. It may put the pressure # higher but it will also hold more air in it.

Kevin R
May 17th, 09, 3:41 PM
how long would y'all say to run it before you'd consider it broken in?


uummm now!!!!

kettbo
May 17th, 09, 3:45 PM
Change out the initial oil
put the inner springs in (if required)
Set the lash
seat the rings
then you should be good-to-go

Dave
May 17th, 09, 8:12 PM
Screw the shroud, you need to be running an electric fan set up. Noway I'd risk a motor like that, in traffic without an electric fan.:yes:

Brettd85
May 18th, 09, 1:06 AM
I'm running a northern/summit direct fit aluminum radiator and aluminum water pump and it seems to cool much better. I am running a stock shroud and fan.

If you want to look stock, get an alumitech, paint it black and run a stock shroud and fan.

cobaltchev67
May 18th, 09, 2:11 AM
Beware of painting the radiator black.....

66 Buick Special
May 18th, 09, 3:00 AM
He's running a Holley now.... no need to keep anything stock appearing.:p

Dave
May 21st, 09, 1:46 AM
Where'd He go?

kettbo
May 21st, 09, 2:06 AM
I don't think he went on his little trip yet....
Here are some posibilities:


Maybe he has yanked the engine out, again.:o

Maybe he's gotta make it faster to take on a certain blue 70 Elky, just to put on a reasonable performance......:D

Maybe he showed that post from Bench Racing about the wifey 'crashing her airplane' and she didn't like it. :yes:

Maybe she found his pile of receipts:cool:

gotago
May 21st, 09, 3:13 PM
I had to go to Florida for a week and had some computer problems. For some reason, I couldn't reply to topics or PMs. Should be OK now I hope.

FRYNTYR
May 21st, 09, 3:19 PM
Maiden voyage????????????????

gotago
May 21st, 09, 3:38 PM
Darryl, I've had it out twice, once around the neighborhood to seat the rings and I took it out on a longer ride. It comes up really fast, much faster than my little rat did and the power seems smooth through the RPM range. I rolled out from a red light and ran it up through the gears shifting at 4800. By the time I hit 4th, the speedometer said 120 and it really came alive at 4000. The only problem was traffic and she got up to 210. I'll take it out this weekend and go a little higher than 4800;) Initial is set to 18 degrees and the motor seems to like it there.

Should get to the track soon.........................................

FRYNTYR
May 21st, 09, 8:41 PM
I'd shorten the mechanical advance as much as possible and put as much initial as you're able to and still turn over fine. You will need good fuel for track time and a splash when you're out running it hard on the street wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if you needed more jetting in the carb as well. They get much thirstier when you start flowing a bunch more fuel through it.

I wish I could fly down and help ya do some major 4-5 gear burnouts.

gotago
May 22nd, 09, 12:05 AM
I'd shorten the mechanical advance as much as possible and put as much initial as you're able to and still turn over fine. You will need good fuel for track time and a splash when you're out running it hard on the street wouldn't hurt. I wouldn't be surprised if you needed more jetting in the carb as well. They get much thirstier when you start flowing a bunch more fuel through it.

I wish I could fly down and help ya do some major 4-5 gear burnouts.

I'll have to get that 750 DP ready to go and get a jet pack. Thanks for the advice on the timing, I'll take a look at that.

Wish you could come down too, bring one of your cars in the cargo hold and we'll head to San Antonio Raceway. Other than the heat, I think you'd like that track:thumbsup: