im looking to buy this car, but i need to make sure everything is good on it. The eights look a little weird on both the trim and vin tag and i need some advice. the owner said that the trim tag was removed to smooth the firewall. please help i definately dont want to spend this kind of cash on a phoney.
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Looks fine to me.

Last car on line for November 1967 Fremont was 114718. You have a 4th week of November Built car with serial # 113656

The wierd number "8" on the VIN plate is typical of the font used at Fremont since at least 1964. Other plants didn't 'adopt' it until 1968. Many plants also had the VIN plates stamped at two different times, once in bulk for the series/model and again when it was used so you'll often see a difference in the stamping of the series/model and year/plant/sequence.

I certainly can see why anyone would question it though.. ie., it is a weird and different font than seen on other plants.. and the TRIM TAG '8" does seem to be a bit foggy or something.. both in the 138 part and 01846 part...but overall.. it looks legit Fremont Tags!

i was worried about the 8 being a restamp or someother weird stuff. is there anyway to tell if the vin and trim tag go together? thanks for the info guys, definately makes me feel a little safer.

any idea what the crossways 6 or 9 is in the upper right on the trim tag, or is this just a dent?

any idea what the crossways 6 or 9 is in the upper right on the trim tag, or is this just a dent?

If you ask Dale or Dean, they'll tell you that it is most likely a dolly cradle number designating which line the body went down. I don't think anyone knows for sure if it was a number used to assign the body to a particular line or it was used to track bodies on various lines in case there was a reoccurring problem on any particular line.

Yeah, I wonder DEAN thinks :)

Yeah, I wonder DEAN thinks :)
Easy there Sparky it's a common misspelling "Dean"= "Mike" :D:D
It could happen to anyone.:thumbsup:

Last car on line for November 1967 Fremont was 114718. You have a 4th week of November Built car with serial # 113656

is there anyway to tell if the vin and trim tag go together?No way to be 100% certain of course but time frames do coinside. See Mike's answer above.

any idea what the crossways 6 or 9 is in the upper right on the trim tag, or is this just a dent?Another TC'er, elcamino I believe, asserts these stamped numbers on Fremont & Atlanta tags are final inspection stamps.

No way to be 100% certain of course but time frames do coinside. See Mike's answer above.

Another TC'er, elcamino I believe, asserts these stamped numbers on Fremont & Atlanta tags are final inspection stamps.

Baltimore used the number in the upper righthand corner as well. But rather than hand stamping the number from the front side as illustrated in the photo in this thread, the Baltimore numbers were machine stamped from the back side just like all of the other information that appears on the tag.

That means that in the case of Baltimore, if the number on the tag represented final inspection, the tag would have been the very last thing to be attached. I'd be curious to know at what stage of assembly the tag was affixed. We know that different plants sometimes did things differently.
Any opinions in this regard?

Rich

I know nothing about tag numbers...

Could that foggy "8" have been a 6??? If they came with a 6 in that area...somone pounded it out and restamped an 8.

Also...

Take a ruler or piece of paper and lay it acroos the numbers.

Do the first set first and then the second set...

The "8's" in both dont line up with their set of numbers...

Actually, I just looked at the foggy 8 again and it is definitly, in the least, double stamped...

Looks fine to me.

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More often than not that 8 on the trim tag seems to be a little "foggy" in my observations. I think it is common. Anyone else?

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Baltimore used the number in the upper righthand corner as well. But rather than hand stamping the number from the front side as illustrated in the photo in this thread, the Baltimore numbers were machine stamped from the back side just like all of the other information that appears on the tag.

That means that in the case of Baltimore, if the number on the tag represented final inspection, the tag would have been the very last thing to be attached. I'd be curious to know at what stage of assembly the tag was affixed. We know that different plants sometimes did things differently.
Any opinions in this regard?

RichNo two plants used the same information other than style, trim, and paint codes. And, they differed in the way even those simple things were displayed.

* Atlanta had hand stamped number either at the top right (as this one is) or near the center or center bottom of the tag and could be one or two digit. Atlanta also had a dash between the year and style, showed -A or -B on trim number, separated the lower-upper paint code with a dash, and displayed group options.

* Baltimore could have used quite a different reason for their number and could well be a body gate number; a single number was located at the top right or bottom right. Baltimore did not use a dash between year and style, no -A or -B to denote seat type, no dash between lower & upper paint codes and no group option codes but did have a job number corresponding with the trim sheet.

* Framingham had a letter stamped (like Baltimore, from the rear) at the top right of their tag. Year/style, trim and paint was on par with Atlanta using a dash character and group option codes.

* Fremont had hand stamped numbers usually on the top right of the tag. While Fremont used a dash between year & style they did not use -A or -B for seat type nor did they use the dash to separate the lower & upper body colors. No group option codes used but they did note C08 for vinyl top on their tag when applicable. For some reason they felt it necessary to also include the Body Broadcast Sheet number on tag.

* Kansas City had no indication of letters or numbers like this on their tags. Like Atlanta, they used a dash between year/style, included -A & - B, and separated lower & upper paint codes with a dash.

Trim tags were affixed to the firewall very early in the process on the Fisher Body side so, just my opinion, the Baltimore number and the Framingham letter wouldn't be final inspection stamps due to their apparent stamping from the rear like the rest of the information.

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Do you see the double stamp?

Guess not; of what?

I have to say.. I don't see a Double Stamp . and was surprised to see wording like DEFINITELY DOUBLE STAMP... That Tag looks legit to me., I of course will put the fine print that we are looking at a PHOTO and not the REAL TAG.. so take nothing to the Bank as 100% when viewing or making statements based on photos only

Im sort of confused on the informatin about the number in the upper right.It looks to me like the number is stamped from the front UNLIKE the rest of the numbers that are stamped from the rear. im also going to get the owner to send me some pictures of the back of the tag, because this looks double stamped to me also. And the 8's do not line up with the rest of the numbers.

Steve you see what I see...

I am surprised that the others arent commenting on what I see.

You guys are guru's on this stuff and you amaze me when you put out these replies that have so much info in them...but please tell me what I am seeing...

In the first and third pictures, and in the first set of numbers...13817. At the bottom of the 8 on the left. There appears to be a second loop starting and the 8 is the only number that doesnt line up with the rest of the group.

The same with the second set of numbers. There is something at the lower section of the 8 and it doesnt line up. Again, its the only digit that doesnt.

What is it?

To me the 8 also looks thicker as a font.

I would pass that off as fishy...

The second picture looks legit.

IMO, both of the 8's on the trim tag look the same. To me that means that the 8 die on the embossing machine was not set properly when the tag was stamped. An anomoly, yes; a sign the tag isn't legit, probably not.
BillL

thats fair....With all the restamping going on...I just didnt know if someone could change everything about the car by making the 6 an 8

Fishhead....
I see what you are talking about now. bottom left hand corners of the 8's on the 1st & 3rd picture. I stuck a ruler up against my computer screen and the numbers are all level with the ruler except the 8's. The double halo at the bottom does line up but the clear 8 bottoms do not. Strange for sure. I have seen this before at car shows. Probably an anomaly.
Vin Tag looks good. Why fake a trim tag when you can buy them?

The cowl tag was attached in the body shop at the end of the framing line. So once the cowl was welded to the body, long before paint.

Those numbers were a way to id a car for quality control. Not necessarily a final inspectors stamp. SOP differed among plants to no one explanation would fit all.

i dont think the trim tag is a sale stopper for me on this car even if it bogus. The vin tag does look legit. i have a 67 442 rotting down in my front yard that has the same funny lookin 8 on the vin tag. And your right about just being able to buy a trim tag, which i probably will to avoid questions in the future. the car will be built to me rather than original specs anyway. The owner says that this car came from sloan's chevelles in southern california. i am held up on getting paperwork at the moment because there is no title found yet. this car will be shipped from ca to kentucky and i just dont know what i can do here without the title. i thought that id post the tag on here while im waiting on the paperwork issue to get resolved. i've done made up my mind that im not buying any more parts at all for my car until i converse with you guys first. i always get good advice and help on here. This laptop is the best tool in my tool box.

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I for one would not buy a REPRO TRIM TAG when you quite clearly have the original one :yes: You won't get or shouldn't get questioned about the tag I see here.. a Repro on the other hand will stand out as just that and question evberything else about the car.. but that is up to you..

I don't know all about GuRus and that.. but I know I own a 66 SS with California Tag ( photos on my web site ) and I have appraised and evaluated over 300 66 and 67's with Fremont Tags...sometimes you just KNOW and can't quite explain it.. and the people you are working for.. well they just have to Trust that you know what you are seeing and saying. ;)

That said.. never stop questioning things.... and if it don't feel right.. move on... if feels right.. BUY IT! :thumbsup:

Well guys I'm the one selling the car. Here are some final pics of the ID tag.

My business is Dale's Speed and Marine out of So Cal. Google us, you will find us. My website is www.dalesspeed.com.

The car was bought from Sloan as mentioned. www.sloans64-72.com

Sloan is getting lost title paperwork signed hopefully this weekend.

I just want to come on here to show that I am not hiding or trying to screw anyone.

I understand being careful with all of the crooks out there.

Thanks for helping Steve... There are some very knowledgeable people on this board.

Thanks, Dale Lee

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I know Sloans.. good people too!

They are great friends and great people!!

Thanks for popping in. Good classy person to stop in and reassure a sale.

Some of us dont know the stuff that others do...

Dont spend it all in the same place ! ! !

I for one would not buy a REPRO TRIM TAG when you quite clearly have the original one :yes: You won't get or shouldn't get questioned about the tag I see here.. a Repro on the other hand will stand out as just that and question evberything else about the car.. but that is up to you..

I don't know all about GuRus and that.. but I know I own a 66 SS with California Tag ( photos on my web site ) and I have appraised and evaluated over 300 66 and 67's with Fremont Tags...sometimes you just KNOW and can't quite explain it.. and the people you are working for.. well they just have to Trust that you know what you are seeing and saying. ;)

That said.. never stop questioning things.... and if it don't feel right.. move on... if feels right.. BUY IT! :thumbsup:

good advice mike and i think it feels right. im going after it. i may not install a trim tag period and just hang onto it in case i ever decide to sell, which will hopefully be never. i've been working on a 136 car but the body has turned out needing way too much attention and money so thats why im gettin this car out of california. probably just turn the malibu into a strip car. numbers dont matter as much to me as it does to others, but i do believe that the value of my finished car will more than likely be much greater than what im paying for this ss body as opposed to building it with the malibu body and paying to have almost every body panel replaced.