My '69 was built in Kansas City. Third week of December '68. The build sheet is not under the back seat cushion, or either of the front seats, and it's not on the top of the gas tank. What are some of the other places to look. The carpet was replaced once but the interior has not been totally taken apart before so I think it's gotta be in there somewhere.

What do you guys think?

If the original fenders are still on the car, they may have a broadcast sheet still glued to the inside, between the inner and outer fender.
I have a January of 69 built Kansas car here that has the remnants of the broadcast sheet still on the original driver side fender.

Well if the carpet was replaced then dont you think they took the seats out???

If the original fenders are still on the car, they may have a broadcast sheet still glued to the inside, between the inner and outer fender.
I have a January of 69 built Kansas car here that has the remnants of the broadcast sheet still on the original driver side fender.

Hi Rick,
What's the sequence number on your Chevelle? My Chevelle is a January '69 car too.

Thanks,
John

Sure the seats were taken out, I just don't don't know why the guy that owned it would have paid any attention to any papers onder the seat. He just was'nt the kind of gut that would have cared about that.

I had the front fenders off of it and there was a very small scrap of paper left glued to the inside of one of them. I did'nt think much of it at the time but maybe that was what was left of it. The car had one repiant in the mid 70s. And I know the doghouse was removed then, maybe the build sheet was on a fender and got removed or destroyed then.

It's not the end of the world if I don't find it. My dad ordered this car new, so I know it is a real L78 car. It had a couple other owners over the years before we bought it back in '07. But it never left our town and my dad always knew the other three guys that had the car. So I know the history of the car from day one.

It helps the value to have the build sheet but if I have anything to do with the car will not leave our family again. So it's not a big deal.

Lee,

My 69 convertible was built in KC in early January of 69. It had just under 20K miles when I bought it, and is unrestored. I found one 'Body Broadcast' sheet glued to the inside of each front fender. They were glued on just in one small spot in the center of the sheet....when I scraped the sheet off the fender, the small part with the glue on it stayed on the fender. That's undoubtedly what you saw on your fender. If the doghouse was off the car, odds are the sheet(s) were pitched then. I've had the rest of the interior out of the car, and there is no other type of build sheet in there, unless it's between the floor pan and the sound deadener. The KC plant at that time was using two different types of "build sheet" on the cars - the 'Chassis Broadcast' and 'Body Broadcast' sheets. I have heard that it's possible for a 'Chassis Broadcast' sheet to be on top of the gas tank, but I have not looked there.

Bill,

I had the gas tank out and there was nothing there. There was'nt any signs of anything being placed on top of the tank. How about inside of the door pannels? Would that be possible?

The KC plant at that time was using two different types of "build sheet" on the cars - the 'Chassis Broadcast' and 'Body Broadcast' sheets.I know you know the reason but for those who may be wondering why 2 different sheets. The body and the chassis (frame, axle, engine, trans, suspension etc) were built up on 2 different assembly lines and came together near the end of the line in what is called the "Marriage" or "Body Drop". From that point is close to the end of the assembly line. In some plants the body was outfitted on the 2nd floor of the factory and came down from above. Others is was just in another area on the same floor. They body and the chassis started out over a mile of track apart from each other but would meet at a precise time. People who worked on the chassis line may have worked 30 yrs in the plant and never seen the body line.

I looked all over my '70 before I found the build sheet under the left rear carpet. I have also heard of under the dash pad. Maybe behind the kick panels even.

Bill,

I had the gas tank out and there was nothing there. There was'nt any signs of anything being placed on top of the tank. How about inside of the door pannels? Would that be possible?


Yes, possible. I've seen a build sheet there on a 70 from KC.

I found a Broadcast Sheet in each of the fenders in my 69 survivor car. They were both intact with the glue spot in different areas, so I got all the information off of them. One of the Broadcast Sheets has a red SS written with grease pencil on it. I had the gas tank out and there was no build sheet there. I checked under the seats with no luck. I have not taken anything else apart to look for more info since I've heard that finding a 69 build sheet from KC is a rare thing!

A good QC man would make sure the trash (build sheets and such) were not left with the cars, I've heard. I don't think it was the intent to leave them, it was just easier to leave them. My 70 and 71 KC cars both have build sheets.

Chris

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My Late Jan. 69 SS has a sequence # of 387208, Kansas City built. In the body shop now for it's complete frame off rotisserie.

This is very interesting. Everyone seems to base the authenticity of a car from the all powerful BUILD SHEET. And if some cars made it out of the factory without it, how can car value be based on such a document?

My car is the real deal. L78 with an automatic (my dad ordered it with the auto becouse my mom was tired of the 4 speed it the 67 SS he was trading in on this car). And from what i understand less than 1500 cars in '69 had a TH400 behind the L78 396.

I know the history of this car from the day my dad ordered it. But without the all mighty build sheet what kind of proof do I have? The original engine was blown up 35 years ago. So I don't have those numbers to go off of. The rear end and trans are still original but big deal. The engine is the smoking gun to the fact that this car is anything special.

I don't ever plan on selling this car, but I would like to know the true value of the car. Is not having the build sheet going to hold it back? I have the Protect-O-Plate and owners manual but no window sticker or original sales invoice or any of that stuff.

How else can I prove what it is?

Lee,

You have the best proof of all - your father bought it new! You have the original POP with his name on it. You've known the whereabouts of the car even when it was owned by someone else. That should be all you need. Build sheets can be important when a car has an unknown history or things get changed over 40 years, but that's not the case with yours.

"How about inside of the door pannels? Would that be possible?" I guess anything is possible, but my car didn't have anything there. Some time very late in the model year 69 production, the KC plant changed over to the single type of build sheet seen on the 70 and later cars, and those seem to turn up more frequently on the inside of door panels. But that would not be the case for your car. It's certainly possible you won't have anything at all, since many cars don't have them.

BTW, what's the story on the car having such low mileage?

Bill,

That is one part if the car that is a little questionable. My dad bought the car for drag racing. Both he and my mom drove the car at Byron Dragway and Cordova Dragway plus a lot of street racing back in the day. My dad could'nt remember how many miles it had on it when he sold it in 1971. He thought about 9,000 or 10,000.

The second owner only had the car for a couple of months. Too much power, he was scared of it.

The third owner drag raced it. Did a bunch of stuff to the engine. But he also drove it on the street some. I'll get back to him in a minute.

The forth owner bought the car in 1973. He put a flame paint job on it ( it was the 70's after all). He drag raced it but also he started taking it to car shows. Thats when the street driving came to an end. Sometime around '76 or'77 he had it painted back original( buy the guy that was the second owner no less). He lost interest after that, parked it in the back if his garage, and drove it very little. From the late 70's to 2007 the car only had a couple thousand miles put on it. My dad would always ask about the car whenever he ran into the guy. He would say "it's just sitting there collecting dust". It took three years to get the guy to sell it back to my dad and I. He has tons of money so he did'nt need to sell it. But finally he wanted to see someone enjoy the car again rather than letting it sit.

Now, when we went to see the car the first time in 2004 ( my dad had'nt seen the car for over 30 years) we could'nt beleave how good the condition was. And it showed just shy of 16,000 on the odometer. My dad asked him if that was right. He said it was, that he naver had the speedo apart. My dad thought it had to have been messed with.

When we finally bought the car in 2007 the owner had lost the title from 1973, so he had a duplcate title for the car. Not a real big deal. The new title said 16,000 miles. Sence then I have talked to the third owner. He said he drove the car alot and that it had about 45,000 to 50,000 miles on it when he sold it in '73.

So I don't know who to beleave on that one. Whatever it is, the car looks like its only got 16,000 miles on it. As soon as I get a nice enough day I'll get some pics and post them. Then you guys can see what you think.

I found the build sheet for my '70 SS in the back seat backrest, not the cushion. It was hogringed on the top drivers side. I was lucky the previous owner only reupholstered the front bench otherwise I would have never found it.

I think it's highly unlikely that someone could remember how many miles were on a car they owned 35 years ago (Lord knows I couldn't!), so I would tend to believe the title and the odometer.

Bill,

That's what i thought too. Plus the odometer does'nt look like it has been messed with. Sometimes you can tell in one has been rolled back, the numbers don't line up right anymore. The numbers on the odometer in my car line up like they should be.

Sometimes you can tell in one has been rolled back, the numbers don't line up right anymore.

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