He asks how many dogs I have, I tell him 4, he says yup that's what I show here. Problem is your only allowed 3 dogs in any one household in my city. He says not to worry, I'm not coming to take your dogs but you will have to go to the city hall and file for a "conditional use permit" It won't cost much. He found out we had 4 dogs while reviewing the dog license paper work for this year. So I call the wife at work to fill her in, she's pissed! when she got out of work we went down to city hall to see about this permit, yeah, it costs $350 to file it for review and then we have to go in front of the city council to state our case before approval is granted. I call BULL****! Anyone ever run into this? what would you do?here's the pooches in question.
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i would be pissed! good luck with that all, i hope it turns out good

Scott,

Seems like cities and towns etc are having to really dig for income lately. I would bet that is the real reason and it has nothing to do with the actual dogs.

You really probably dont have much choice if you want to keep all of the dog. Be real nice, get the permit and go on with life :)

After that is done, you could get involved with politics and try to get the law overturned ? Maybe some animal group would help you get involved with it ?

Badges?....... We ain't got no badges.......

We don't need no Stinkin' Badges!!!!

Should never have given them the info to begin with, IMHO

Dan

Give one dog to a friend for awhile then bring him back home and in the future only license 3 dogs!

But if you had 11 kids,nothing would be said. I have 3 Dalmatians and they are easier to deal with than my 4 kids..

next dog you get, don't buy a license. They can't pry into your information if they don't have it.

That sucks.In the county where I live,the dog warden used to drive around looking for unlicensed dogs,seems he got some kind of bonus if he found one.He came back our farm lane one time many years ago and spotted my dads unlicensed border collie.He told my dad that the dog needed a license.My dad,who is large intimidating looking individual,told the dog warden "That's a farm dog,don't need no license,get the hell out of here and don't ever come back".He never did and we never bought that dog a license.Lol,good luck with your situation,nice looking group.

Maybe you should tell him the truth.....you only have 3 and your wife has one.....And she is just a house keeper for free room and board and has her own household within the house. What a bunch of crap.

Things like this really irritate me.If your dogs are well cared for and under control,which I'm sure they are,it should be no ones business.Are they making you apply for a kennel license?

Things like this really irritate me.If your dogs are well cared for and under control,which I'm sure they are,it should be no ones business.Are they making you apply for a kennel license?:yes:

Don't do anything. If he calls you back and ask why you didn't get the permit tell him one of your dogs died and to mind his own damn business and who is his boss and find out who is your councilman and ask him why do have people with nothing jobs on the tax payer pocket book. And ask him if he wants to keep his job.:yes:

Scott, our state motto is not 'Live Free or Die".

It's "Maine - more fees than Moose".

Talk about riveting the attention of those dogs!
I'd be scared if I was a potato chip in that house!

you guys are taking this way to seriuosly. we as car guys probably take as good a care of our pets as our cars, but not everybody is us, and these laws are to keep freaks from hoarding animals, and if you've been to a shelter lately, you'd see there are a lot of animals that aren't taken care of. my family works with rescue greyhounds, these come from people, who when they stop winning, thier owners just kill them.

not everything is a conspiracy, if you knew the law, then you knew this issue would come up, and as responsible pet owners, you'll find a way to deal with it. the law is to keep idiots from running puppy mills, or just not caring for more pets than they can handle. that's a great looking pack you got there, they look healthy and happy, it's to bad you can't keep them on that merit alone. good luck with the city, i hope it's not too painful $$.

cute dogs hope it all works out for you

I really want to believe that the regulations are to control puppy mills,but I don't know.Unless you are really involved in all aspects of dogs,you could never imagine the number of back yard breeders.Very very hard to control.

I agree with 1BLACKHARLEY, if you have ever seen the conditions that puppy mill dogs live in or the people that hoard dogs its disgusting.Cities, towns, counties have to put a limit otherwise thing would get totally out of control.I'm the owner of 3 dogs and will not go any higher than that,otherwise I will have to go to the county for a kennel permit.Vist your local animal shelter !!

With people currently strapped enough as it is and barely squeaking by. Leave it up to some city to try squeazing blood out of turnips as if the citizens arent tapped enough already. I agree, looks like a desperate attempt to try to gain some income.:sad:

you guys are taking this way to seriuosly. we as car guys probably take as good a care of our pets as our cars, but not everybody is us, and these laws are to keep freaks from hoarding animals, and if you've been to a shelter lately, you'd see there are a lot of animals that aren't taken care of. my family works with rescue greyhounds, these come from people, who when they stop winning, thier owners just kill them.

not everything is a conspiracy, if you knew the law, then you knew this issue would come up, and as responsible pet owners, you'll find a way to deal with it. the law is to keep idiots from running puppy mills, or just not caring for more pets than they can handle. that's a great looking pack you got there, they look healthy and happy, it's to bad you can't keep them on that merit alone. good luck with the city, i hope it's not too painful $$.


:sad: California.......Please: all you guys stay in the land of libs and regulation....A lot of these laws are brought about by people that want to escape many of the Laws in place that restrict what they percieve as normal in their former neighborhod. Then, when they move to Utopia, they decide their opinions on how things should be, should be imposed on those who have lived peacefully in their own element all their lives.

Sorry.....Just had to rant on regulation and imposition.....:thumbsup:

I have two Boxers myself, but like BlackHarley said, there are other factors to consider. We have many dog mushers (100+dogs) up here, including one near me. Let me tell you, it is no fun living near them. Maybe if you let them know you are just a normal household, they will not charge you.

Just have a friend or relative with fewer than 3 dogs to buy your 4th license for you in their name and of course reimburse them. If the city snoops check up on you and find 4 dogs, tell them you're just dogsitting for a friend on the 4th one and show them the license.

Bill has a good point, however I'd tell them to stick the permit in a dark, smelly place :eek:

Good luck!

Well then,
If the animal control officer is searching a database for licensed animals, seems he has no interest in unlicensed or troublesome animals (having trouble spelling "nuscience???" this morning:confused:)

As all of my pet dogs, and a few cats have been killed on my own property by neighborhood rogue dogs, and our larda$$ animal control officer can't seem to do anything about it (can't get his fata$$ out of his truck), I have nothing but contempt for out animal control officers.

All an individual has to do, is to say "Not my dog." and he goes away.

If you have 4 licesnsed dogs, and they are maintained in a healthy, non abusive, loving environment----The city should just leave you the hell alone.
(this does not mean apartment dweller)

I would have less of a problem with the animal control rounding up stray rouge children then I do with them trying to enforce a city ordinance that should only be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

My neighbors across the street have about 4-5 dogs. none are tagged, and all but one roams at will. they apparantly are not fed, as they make a point of visiting my house to steal the cat's food----and annoy the cats.

Because my kitties were born on the dirt in my yard, there is no reason at all why they should not be comfortable here-----but they gotta keep watching for the dogs.

I think you should pay the money, you have the dogs and the rules in your comunity state that you can only have three dogs. You should have known the rules for the dogs in your city when you got them. If you didn't, well thats your fault. Ignorance of the laws is not a good excuse. These laws were made for people who hoard all kinds of aminals without the room to do so. If you live out in a rural area, thats one thing and I could understand that. I'm not sure what kind of area you live in but drug dealers are using dogs for protection and are training dogs to go after officers. That could be another reason to limit the number of animals
You don't fight the rules after have broken them and found them unfair. Pay the money, you have the animals, don't hide them at your friends house or any other thing like that. You don't like the rules get them changed, you have a city hall.

Now there is a perfect example of taxpayers money being pi$$ed away. The city probably has absolutely now REAL crime going on I suppose? These money digging ba$tards fire me up to the point that its a wonder I'm not in jail for performing a little "mountain justice". :angry:
Tell that ACO the next time he has nothing to do with his time, try hanging out at the local middle school and busting the drug dealers that have set up shop there. UGH!

I think you should pay the money, you have the dogs and the rules in your comunity state that you can only have three dogs. You should have known the rules for the dogs in your city when you got them. If you didn't, well thats your fault. Ignorance of the laws is not a good excuse. These laws were made for people who hoard all kinds of aminals without the room to do so. If you live out in a rural area, thats one thing and I could understand that. I'm not sure what kind of area you live in but drug dealers are using dogs for protection and are training dogs to go after officers. That could be another reason to limit the number of animals
You don't fight the rules after have broken them and found them unfair. Pay the money, you have the animals, don't hide them at your friends house or any other thing like that. You don't like the rules get them changed, you have a city hall.


Bingo...................Rules are Rules..........That's what's wrong with this country today......everyone want's to have Rules that are set by their own want's and needs.......There has to be some sort of standards that we live by, otherwise there would be mayhem in the streets....................Look at the Bigger Picture in regards to the housing market......What if we let Acorn set the Standards.......Gets messy real quick......Didn't mean to get off topic.....but, it all tie's together

Ken

This is another horse **** law to protect idiots from themselves and generate money to justify bigger govt. That is some stiff that knows his job might be on the brink, and is shaking people down to show his value ($) to the local municipality. Please. Don't you think every legitimate breeder, trainer, musher, etc. has to pay out the wazoo for special permits to have all those animals? Of course they do.

Just keep your dogs man. If you need to say that you gave one away, and register him through a friend or relative go ahead, but DO NOT pay for that bureaucrat bull$hit.

Stupid laws create a contempt for the law in general. This is one of those stupid pointless laws that creates more lawbreakers.

I'm not even going to say what I think about the A.C.Officers who are getting paid MORE then most of us .... sneaking around house's without any dog licensees & blowing their little "dog"whistle... looking for NON compliant owners & targeting the home for Follow up investigation !!

I.M.O. pay the fine ..... get the permit ..... DO NOT piss off the officer unless you want the gates of H#ll opened & EVERY inspector in the city crawling out to make sure YOU"RE obeying ALL the city ordinances !! its 99% REVENUE generation citys got to pay its employee's somehow .......

:sad: California.......Please: all you guys stay in the land of libs and regulation....A lot of these laws are brought about by people that want to escape many of the Laws in place that restrict what they percieve as normal in their former neighborhod. Then, when they move to Utopia, they decide their opinions on how things should be, should be imposed on those who have lived peacefully in their own element all their lives.

Sorry.....Just had to rant on regulation and imposition.....:thumbsup:

i guess it didn't matter that people from several different states agreed with me, you took your disdain for a state you know little about, and ran with it. just because the dribble you see on the news shows us as slobering liberals, most people i know are just the oppisite, and we stay in california to fight for the life we want, instead of packing up and moving to somebody elses percieved "utopia".

i'm glad you've found a place to reside, that falls into your comfort zone, as to your steriotypical diatribe of californians, we couldn't care less. we as californian's have just as many men at war as anybody else, we pay more taxes than most, and we really appreciate it when short sighted, biased people hate us enough to stay away. you see most of the slobering liberals we have here, came from somewhere else, and we'd wish they went back to where they came from.....

Stupid laws create a contempt for the law in general. This is one of those stupid pointless laws that creates more lawbreakers.

You're talking like a libertarian or something

Stupid laws create a contempt for the law in general. This is one of those stupid pointless laws that creates more lawbreakers.

Sorry, wrong. In a city or suburban setting, most people don't want to live next door to a pack of barking, howling dogs, hence the reasonable limit of three. I'm sure Axeman takes good care of his dogs, but if you want to own a herd of animals, go buy some acreage out in a rural area. I'm an animal owner and lover myself, but I believe in playing by the rules, and I expect everyone else to do the same.

Sorry, wrong. In a city or suburban setting, most people don't want to live next door to a pack of barking, howling dogs, hence the reasonable limit of three. I'm sure Axeman takes good care of his dogs, but if you want to own a herd of animals, go buy some acreage out in a rural area. I'm an animal owner and lover myself, but I believe in playing by the rules, and I expect everyone else to do the same.

Why not just make a law against having a pack of barking howling dogs? Do dogs only bark and howl in groups of 4 or more?

Have a friend get you a license - Problem solved.

LK

I had two dogs and a mother in law living with us...no one called and asked me to get rid of the MIL. :(

Seriously, good luck with all that and what a shame...

Anyone ever run into this? what would you do?here's the pooches in question.
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z95/axeman39/Illkillyouforacheesedoodle.jpg?t=1235524329

First off I'd start by giving one of them that cheese puff before they chew your arm off.

I too think these laws are a bit stupid and really do little good because only law abiding people are going to obay them. A good example is the house across from my girlfriend. They have at last count I think about 10 dogs and at least a couple dozen cats. You would never know as the house is very clean but I have a hard time believing that all those animals are up to date on their shots. I'm sure few if any of them have seen a vet ever in thier lives.

Since you made the mistake of being law abiding and licensing your dogs just go and pay the fee and get it over with. You know it's just about generating money so I don't think you will get a fight as long as you paly along.

Why not just make a law against having a pack of barking howling dogs? Do dogs only bark and howl in groups of 4 or more?

Depending on how large or small the property is, and how vigilant the owner is regarding sanitation, there are other issues associated with large numbers of animals in an urban setting...

Sorry, wrong. In a city or suburban setting, most people don't want to live next door to a pack of barking, howling dogs, hence the reasonable limit of three. I'm sure Axeman takes good care of his dogs, but if you want to own a herd of animals, go buy some acreage out in a rural area. I'm an animal owner and lover myself, but I believe in playing by the rules, and I expect everyone else to do the same.

Had to laugh at this one.
1. Can you tell the difference between 3 barking dogs and 4? I can't..
2. "if you want to own a herd of animals, go buy some acreage out in a rural area."........ Yea that'll work. We have 2 horses on a 2 acre lot across the road from our house (sits on one acre itself). The horses have been there for more than 10 yrs. Before that, The previous owners of the pasture kept cows (5-10 at a time) on it. About 4 yrs ago, New people moved in 3 houses down. Two months later we get a zoning complaint about our horses (County ordnance says 3 acres or more) We petitioned zoning for a variance and they schedule a hearing. The only opposition to show is OUR NEW NEIGHBORS... They claim that they moved to the country (from Balti. cty) for the "fresh country air" and farm animals were a nuisance. We showed that this parcel has been used for "stock" since before zoning and had a 4 stall barn. We were given the variiance and told we could keep up to 4 horses.
Moral to this story is; It doesn't matter where you live or how much land you have, Someone will stick there nose in your business!!!!

As to the original post. The law was made to give prosecutes a foundation to punish illegal breeders and hoarders. The only reason for a ACO to be sitting at a comp. checking tags is $$$$$$. He knows that you pay for your tags and he thinks you'll pay for the permit... I say, Let it go. If they push it, Then move to the next step. If not.........

Interesting reading.

A few questions for those that are so angry about following the letter of the law:

Who makes the laws?
Who has the power to change the laws?
Who sets the fine amounts?
Who has the power to change the fine amounts?
Who sets the permit fees?
Who has the power to change the permit fees?
Who determines if your county/city needs a dog officer?
Who determines the job duties of that dog officer?

If you think the dog officer is just trying to make $$$ and is out to get the good citizens, what OTHER laws/ordinances would you like them to ignore or overlook?

Educate yourselves folks. If you don't like a county/city ordinance,take the necessary steps to change it.

What a hypocritical statement to say that the dog officer is just enforcing the laws to keep his/her job or to raise money.

Enforcing all the laws is what they have to do to keep their jobs, not just enforcing the ones that you aren't violating...

Some say he has nothing better to do... you're right! That is his job, he has nothing better to do than his job. I would hope if he is getting paid with my tax dollars to do his job, he isn't doing just some of it... I am paying him to do all of it.

Those that are out to get "the man" or to beat "the system" haven't yet figured out that they are "the man" and they control "the system"!


disclaimer: I am not your dog officer. :)

Depending on how large or small the property is, and how vigilant the owner is regarding sanitation, there are other issues associated with large numbers of animals in an urban setting...

tell me about it. it's getting about time to call animal control to round up the pack that's roaming our neighborhood. people get dogs, let them run around outside and crap in people's (my) yards. they get all beat up or run over, then when there's enough of them, they form a pack and start getting aggressive with people and other animals. that's when someone calls animal control and they come and round them all up. wash, rinse, repeat.

Us Southern guys have been trying to get Chevelle owners to relocate down here for years now........we don't give a rip how many dogs you have here as long as you feed them ,take care of them, keep them on your property so they don't roam and bite our kids....heck, we don't even care how many broken down washers, dryers, or refrigerators you keep in your front yard, just let the weeds grow and cover them.....or better yet, use em for planters.......warm weather, warm women, low taxes, great Bar-b-cue, friendly Chevelle owners...well, what are you waiting on? Come on down and visit...................................Ford and Chrysler owners please disregard this entire invite..........trying to keep the neighborhood classy here.....know what i mean:thumbsup:

Sean, put down the pipe and back away. I don't know what planet you live on, but here on earth, most of us are just a tad too busy to become legal professionals. The basic small town has more laws on the books than a person could decipher in a lifetime. MOST of them were written in a much simpler time. Some are simply money makers. My home town still has a law on its books that states : "no horses and/or buggies will be allowed to cross the frozen rivers within the township after march 20th of any given year".
If you have time to learn/change all the foolish, money grabbing laws in this country, have at it.

Sean, put down the pipe and back away. I don't know what planet you live on, but here on earth, most of us are just a tad too busy to become legal professionals. The basic small town has more laws on the books than a person could decipher in a lifetime. MOST of them were written in a much simpler time. Some are simply money makers. My home town still has a law on its books that states : "no horses and/or buggies will be allowed to cross the frozen rivers within the township after march 20th of any given year".
If you have time to learn/change all the foolish, money grabbing laws in this country, have at it.
If you THINK you can't do something......you are absolutely right.

Just gonna have my brother register one of the dogs at his address, different town. thanks all for the advice. Axeman, AKA, Master of sparks

I had two dogs and a mother in law living with us...no one called and asked me to get rid of the MIL. :(

You must not have licensed her...

Better to get whatever you need to keep the ACO happy.. City officialdom can come up with rules n' regulations that you never heard of, but kin bite ya in dee annular trough. Can't remember how I pi$$ed off my neighbors, but, the city fined me for parking me car in my own driveway in the wrong direction. Nice looking dogs man!! Good luck!!
T.

I agree on one hand that it should be up to you to have as many dogs as you want, as long as it doesn't infringe on anybody else's rights to a quiet, clean, safe neighborhood.

While thinking about that, I think about my neighbors. I am the last house on my street and they have a drive at the end of the street about 100 yards long and their house is 100 yards from me. This lady (aka Mrs Crackhouse) has 13 dogs. All small and mostly in a fenced in area in her yard. out of sight from us, but not out of hearing range. Anytime a noise is made or car comes in they start yip yapping. I don't get concerned about it, but I can see how some people would. If not for some kind of ordinances, there would be much you could do about this if it was a problem to you.
You could complain somewhere, but with no laws on the books you wouldn't have much luck. I do kind of understand having these laws.

Had to laugh at this one.
1. Can you tell the difference between 3 barking dogs and 4? I can't..
2. "if you want to own a herd of animals, go buy some acreage out in a rural area."........ Yea that'll work. We have 2 horses on a 2 acre lot across the road from our house (sits on one acre itself). The horses have been there for more than 10 yrs. Before that, The previous owners of the pasture kept cows (5-10 at a time) on it. About 4 yrs ago, New people moved in 3 houses down. Two months later we get a zoning complaint about our horses (County ordnance says 3 acres or more) We petitioned zoning for a variance and they schedule a hearing. The only opposition to show is OUR NEW NEIGHBORS... They claim that they moved to the country (from Balti. cty) for the "fresh country air" and farm animals were a nuisance. We showed that this parcel has been used for "stock" since before zoning and had a 4 stall barn. We were given the variiance and told we could keep up to 4 horses.
Moral to this story is; It doesn't matter where you live or how much land you have, Someone will stick there nose in your business!!!!

As to the original post. The law was made to give prosecutes a foundation to punish illegal breeders and hoarders. The only reason for a ACO to be sitting at a comp. checking tags is $$$$$$. He knows that you pay for your tags and he thinks you'll pay for the permit... I say, Let it go. If they push it, Then move to the next step. If not.........

Your story has nothing to do with dogs, nor does it involve a typical urban/suburban home on a 1/2 acre or less, so likewise, I had to laugh at this one...

Your story has nothing to do with dogs, nor does it involve a typical urban/suburban home on a 1/2 acre or less, so likewise, I had to laugh at this one...

Laugh when "they" decide your car is too old and you need to get rid of it and buy a new fuel efficient model. Laugh when "they" decide there is not reason for you to own firearms. Too many laws get passed without the public getting a chance to voice their input. Ever try and getting a law changed? I know of a local farm (small mom and pop 3rd generation owners), who had to stop using some of their land because the new neighbors decided they didn't like the "smell". THEY bought a house next door to a farm! It seems that years ago the township changed the zoning and even though they were grandfathered they lost the case in court and now it will cost them more in legal fees than they make a year off their farm. Laws and law enforcement is all about money , they only mess with the people they know will pay. Original poster did the right thing and pays for dog licenses, did they inspect his home? check on the conditions? No, he gets hassled but Joe Lowlife down the road who never ever bought a dog license isn't bothered. Do you have to buy uninsured/underinsured insurance on your cars? The law states you must have insurance, but, we, the people who try and follow the laws, end up paying more because "they" can't/won't go after the people who don't.