Whats your opinion on this wreck between dale jr and vickers?

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Please

Come on Dale was Pissed that he was given the 1 Lap Penalty

Funny part was that not one of those commetators called him on It.

hardly

Please

Come on Dale was Pissed that he was given the 1 Lap Penalty

Funny part was that not one of those commetators called him on It.

hardly

What race were you watching? Waltrip said several times immedietely after the wreck that that move was completely uncalled for by Jr. I think everyone of them made a bad comment about him after that incident.

Jeff

Funny part was that not one of those commetators called him on It.

Guess I was watching a different channel ,seemed they all called it from what I saw/heard.

Larry Mc. and D.W. called him on it right away. After looking at it you can see Vickers hits Jr. on the way down the track and Jr. hits him on the way up. Nobody will ever really know if he did it on purpose or if it was because Vickers might have slowed up a tad because he tapped Jr. and was getting sideways himself. I'll give Jr. the benefit of the doubt and say its just racing at Daytona. They were all worried about rain shortening the race and wanted to make up as much ground as possible IMHO.
Kim

Larry Mc. and D.W. called him on it right away. After looking at it you can see Vickers hits Jr. on the way down the track and Jr. hits him on the way up. Nobody will ever really know if he did it on purpose or if it was because Vickers might have slowed up a tad because he tapped Jr. and was getting sideways himself. I'll give Jr. the benefit of the doubt and say its just racing at Daytona. They were all worried about rain shortening the race and wanted to make up as much ground as possible IMHO.
Kim

In other words."just racin'":)

Larry Mc. and D.W. called him on it right away. After looking at it you can see Vickers hits Jr. on the way down the track and Jr. hits him on the way up. Nobody will ever really know if he did it on purpose or if it was because Vickers might have slowed up a tad because he tapped Jr. and was getting sideways himself. I'll give Jr. the benefit of the doubt and say its just racing at Daytona. They were all worried about rain shortening the race and wanted to make up as much ground as possible IMHO.
Kim

Thats my feeling too. JR has in the past admitted and apologized when he was at fault, but this looked like a little aggressive racing by both. I am not a Kyle Bush fan but it was a shame he didn't get to finish after the day he was having.

In other words."just racin'":)
Yep, and thats how I voted.
Kim

When you saw it from Jr's in car camera, he lifted twice and lifting on a restrictor plate race can send you to the back of the pack in a real hurry so, in my opinion, he tried to avoid contact. Had Vickers not tried to block him, it never would've happened. Jr had a heck of a run on him. Try to make that decision at almost 200 mph in a split second.

Vickers should never have tried to block him in the first place, they were lapped cars with a whole lot of laps left. Jr had the run let him go. But I believe that Daytona rules about being below the line had as much to do with it as anything, If Jr had stayed down there they would have penalized him for that, so what is a guy to do?

Every guy that gets in front blocks at the plate races. I say they deserve it if they get turned. They all do it. Not defending Jr, though, he either was mad and gave Vickers a touch or he mis-judged, which might be want happened, he misjudged everything all week long at Daytona. Either way it was his fault. While he isn't a top 10 driver, I still think he is a good guy and what he has been thru says a lot about the young man.

During the telecast they kind of said it was his fault, but quickly they were all silent. I thought they were pussy footin' around about it. Not like it was Robby Gordon or one of the other back markers that they would have heaped the blame on

It ws another typical sucky Nascar race. They are picking up right where they left off last year..

At least he knocked out a Toyota from the race.:D

It was Jr's fault. And the announcers did call him on it in the beginning. But were quick to make excuses for him later.
Maybe they got a call from the NASCAR telling them to stop talking negative about him and reminding them that he is the golden boy who can do no wrong.

After this race I am totally done with NASCAR. The entire series is a joke and only getting worse.

If Jr. hadn't cut back to the right, he would have been in the grass. Vickers shouldn't have tried to block him when he clearly had a run on him.

It was Jr's fault. And the announcers did call him on it in the beginning. But were quick to make excuses for him later.
Maybe they got a call from the NASCAR telling them to stop talking negative about him and reminding them that he is the golden boy who can do no wrong.

After this race I am totally done with NASCAR. The entire series is a joke and only getting worse.

Did you not note that by the end the annoucers were backpeddling on theur "rash" comments on who was at fault fault?:yes:
Do you realize what a handfull he had once he was forced below the stripe? It is pretty dirty down there and he couldn't have been handling great having been tagged in the right front. He had to get back up as quick as he could or go sliding through the grass. I which way I'd choose and you would have too!
He was peddling the car and Vickers had lifted a split second when he touched Jr Yhe he didn't clear by as fast as Jr anticipated and they touched again! We all saw the end result. But bottom line "it was racin' ":)

Little off topic, but did anybody hear a whisper of the Nationwide series running "real" 2 doors next year?? (Camaro, Mustang, Challenger) BTW, just racin'

I was there, it happened almost right in front of us. It was a racing accident all the way, Jr was racing for the lap and had every right to make the move he made. Vickers car was crap and the block was silly. Jr had to go below the yellow line to avoid contact and when he came back on the track Vickers had lost momentum causing the contact. Anyone saying Jr was at fault or did it on purpose is clueless, just wants to make excuses or is jealous because Jr is the most popular driver on and off the track, the place almost fell down when they put the busch punks car on the big screen.. Believe what you want but with rain lurking and them sitting a lap down at that point in the race any of them would have made the same move.

Little off topic, but did anybody hear a whisper of the Nationwide series running "real" 2 doors next year?? (Camaro, Mustang, Challenger) BTW, just racin'

NASCAR has been talking that but the Big Three were demanding that they be used for the Sprint Cup Series! They said they wanted cars the public could recognize and would go out on Monday and buy!:thumbsup:

When you saw it from Jr's in car camera, he lifted twice and lifting on a restrictor plate race can send you to the back of the pack in a real hurry so, in my opinion, he tried to avoid contact. Had Vickers not tried to block him, it never would've happened. Jr had a heck of a run on him. Try to make that decision at almost 200 mph in a split second.

Vickers should never have tried to block him in the first place, they were lapped cars with a whole lot of laps left. Jr had the run let him go. But I believe that Daytona rules about being below the line had as much to do with it as anything, If Jr had stayed down there they would have penalized him for that, so what is a guy to do?

Every guy that gets in front blocks at the plate races. I say they deserve it if they get turned. They all do it. Not defending Jr, though, he either was mad and gave Vickers a touch or he mis-judged, which might be want happened, he misjudged everything all week long at Daytona. Either way it was his fault. While he isn't a top 10 driver, I still think he is a good guy and what he has been thru says a lot about the young man.

During the telecast they kind of said it was his fault, but quickly they were all silent. I thought they were pussy footin' around about it. Not like it was Robby Gordon or one of the other back markers that they would have heaped the blame on

It ws another typical sucky Nascar race. They are picking up right where they left off last year..

You guys all hit on it -- blocking is the problem. NASCAR needs to do something about it since the drivers feel compelled to continue doing it, often with the results we saw on Sunday. I voted "Just Racing", but I place blame on both drivers. Vickers came down on Earnhardt, but Earnhardt didn't need to come up like he did either.

Dave

At least he knocked out a Toyota from the race.:D:hurray: More than one:thumbsup:

He took out at least 3 Toyota's from contention,that's always an excellent thing.Blocking sucks,nothing wrong with turning them. Martin should have turned the 18 at the end of the Duel also.
just racin'

It was a very stupid move by Vickers... I can't say what Jr. did was or wasn't intentional. It looked intentional from some angles, and like he slid up from other angles.

I wish the in-car video would show the drivers' hands on the wheel though. :yes:

I vote for 'it was Michael Waltrips fault" no seriously I am so surprised that he did not crash and finished in the top 10. Oh well there is always next week at Fontana .....go getem MIKEY! :D

They had talked about using the new Pony cars or developing a COT for the Busch series, but have given up that idea for the time being, because they don't even have a lot of teams with the budget to run last years cars, let alone build all new ones.

Blocking is a bad deal, but no matter who is in the lead, they continually switch between the two lines of cars to stay in front and if one line gets a run they will dart right in front of that line. Jr does, it, Tony does it, Busch does it, they all do. Best way to stop is for Dale Sr to put some guys in the wall. It doesn't matter Nascar racing is so screwed up now, nothing will help it.

Jr had a serious run. For Vickers to block with so many laps left with someone coming that strong......not to smart. Jr was 2 full car lengths back just seconds before and was coming like a freight train.

Problem for Jr was that even if Vickers did not block, there was no legal pass above the line available.

Did Jr wreck him on purpose cause he was pissed......I do not think so. Was Jr trying to make a pass with no room to do it.....Yeah, I think so. Should Vickers have tried to block him......it wasn't exactly the last lap, and Jr had the run.

I think they share the responsibility. **** happens fast at almost 200MPH!

Jrs. fault hands down. That being said I was getting tired of seeing people running over him and him doing nothing about it. You didn't run over Dale Sr. unless you wanted your butt knocked off the track. He owed vickers from talladeaga and kyle bush got a big bunch of what he dishes out. I thought it was a fair swap to finish 27th but take the 3 best toyo rags out in one sweep. Besides tom cruise was there and rubbing is racing!!!:hurray:

"Rubbin' is Racing" as DW always states.... Jr and Vickers have a history but Vickers clearly moved down the track on Jr. Jr had the run on him and Vicker tried to block. Tough luck for the rest of the field.

if anyone saw the first part of the race, i think Nascar should have called Kyle Bush for constant blocking of Jr in the beginning-in the past, Kyle has wrecked Jr, and everybody else, and for him to say anything after the race, he just got what he dished out-some drivers have said there not gonna take that crap from Bush this year
i think it was just racing, but when your forced down like that, the car jumps all over trying to get back on asphalt, so who knows-if it were a less popular driver, not much would be said-this post prob even wouldnt happen, lol

If it was a less popular driver, there wouldn't be any problem just giving him all the blame for the big one and that would be the end of it. It's not really Vickers fault or Jr's fault they are playing the game they way it is played by everybody and this is the result.
vickers was running to the Lucky Dog, also, that's why he was blocking so much.

It was fitting that Busch got knocked out, as he has done it often enough. I still say put the lap down guys at the back, and make all restarts double wide just like the beginning of the race. lap down cars shouldn't even be up front.

You know.........When I saw it when it happened, I thought to myself "classic bump & run move" from the old man, but the more times I see it it becomes clear that Vickers got exactly what he deserved.. Blocking is leagle, but as fast as Jr. was coming on, it wasn't the smart thing to do.. :noway:

You know.........When I saw it when it happened, I thought to myself "classic bump & run move" from the old man, but the more times I see it it becomes clear that Vickers got exactly what he deserved.. Blocking is leagle, but as fast as Jr. was coming on, it wasn't the smart thing to do.. :noway:

I completely agree.

They said that they told the drivers to treat that double-yellow as if it was a wall... one thing's for sure, you wouldn't block like that if there was a wall there.

Junior had too many Budweisers on Saturday night and not enough AMP Sunday morning....his head was in a fog all day..........two blown pit stops? C'mon those are Rookie mistakes.

They used to say his Dad knew EXACTLY where the corner of his car was........so does Jr.

I watched the interview.............you could see it in his face and hear it in his voice....he KNEW exactly what he did.

That being said......it's restrictor plate racing. :sad:

Junior had too many Budweisers on Saturday night and not enough AMP Sunday morning....his head was in a fog all day..........two blown pit stops? C'mon those are Rookie mistakes.


Almost a slanderous and a totally uncalled for remark, period!:sad:


(Jeff Posted) They used to say his Dad knew EXACTLY where the corner of his car was........so does Jr.


Nobody even you never ever misjudged a distance, give me a break?:rolleyes:



(Jeff Posted)I watched the interview.............you could see it in his face and hear it in his voice....he KNEW exactly what he did.



You forgot IMHO at the end of that statement.:yes:
IMHO I saw a very truthful and professional response unlike the ranting "the other guy did it" response that we heard from Vickers.:yes:



(Jeff also said) That being said......it's restrictor plate racing. :sad:


This we are in total agreement on!:thumbsup:


Just think what my response would have been if I was a Jounior fan, which I am not!
I was a Dale Earnhardt Sr. fan and after he passed I never picked another driver as a favorite. I now just watch hoping to see a good enjoyable race!:)

Johnny........ALL of it is IMHO :confused: It's a poll thread?

Kenny Schrader was my driver............haven't found anybody to cheer for since his retirement.....not that I had a lot to cheer for when he was running :D

I would have liked to see Mark Martin in Victory Lane on Sunday though......

Sunday was a good example of what NASCAR racing has become.......for the most part its a yawner.....UNTIL...... somebody bends the rules and causes some excitement.

If you want to see good enjoyable racing go to your local dirt track....IMHO ;)

I have to agree with an earlier post, Vickers was blocking because he was fighting Juinor for the lucky dog position. IMO I think Juinor was already frustrated from his pit failures and was driving the wheels off it, he had a top five car IMO if he could have not committed the pit road mistakes.

Johnny........ALL of it is IMHO :confused: It's a poll thread?

Kenny Schrader was my driver............haven't found anybody to cheer for since his retirement.....not that I had a lot to cheer for when he was running :D

I would have liked to see Mark Martin in Victory Lane on Sunday though......

Sunday was a good example of what NASCAR racing has become.......for the most part its a yawner.....UNTIL...... somebody bends the rules and causes some excitement.

If you want to see good enjoyable racing go to your local dirt track....IMHO ;)

Ken is a cousin of mine down the line somewhere. I remember some family reunions when he was there, back when we were kids.

I'm with you on Mark Martin, that would have been a great win.

Yes, NASCAR is really hard to watch anymore. I listened to more on the radio than I watched last year. Figured might as well accomplish something instead!:)

Our local dirt track was down last year.
The Fair Board wants unreal amounts of money from the promotors and every time they finally start to make a little money the Fair Board will up the rent! So no one stays more than 2 or 3 years.
But a new guy came in and negociated a deal and is going to open the track next month, I believe they said. Hope he stays a long time, I really missed watching the racing out there!:yes:

I agree with Vickers and voted that as well. Poor decision on blocking Jr.

First of all, I think "blocking" makes for poor sport, but I guess I saw something that others missed.

Jr. had a run, but Vickers seemed to slow pretty fast AS he made his move to block. Look at the car behind Jr., it was totally up beside him when Vikers got turned, so Brian was off the gas. Almost any car that lifts off the throttle big time causes cars to bunch up and someone in the pack gets turned. Seeing the other lap down cars surge forward that far leads me to believe Vickers may have got loose turning so hard toward the bottom in his blocking attempt that he got had to get off the throttle, causing the difference in speed to multiply.

I'll put it down in my book as "just racing" but with a poor taste in my mouth that blocking like that is allowed at all. There are racing organizations that would "flag" people for blocking.

Why was Vickers blocking lapped traffic. What was Jr. doing or trying to do? those cant be answered. One thing to think about is... can the drivers really tell where the front of that car is from the seat. From Jr.'s camera (which is higher, a better position to try and look down on the front of that car) you still cant see where the air stops and sheet metal begins. Ill say this, Vickers just want to block traffic. Not really paying attention to whose behind him, all he knows is it's a car and it could put him back in the field. At Daytona if you get passed you dont get passed by one or two you get passed by half the field who are ridin the draft. Jr. wants back on the track, esp. after being in the marbles at the bottom and that close to the dirt, also trying to make up lost distance. I dont doubt he was POed but why risk taking your self out by bumpin Vickers. I dont blame either one of them. Vickers wanted his spot, fair enough. and Jr. wanted to avoid a DNF.

Why was Vickers blocking lapped traffic. What was Jr. doing or trying to do? those cant be answered. One thing to think about is... can the drivers really tell where the front of that car is from the seat. From Jr.'s camera (which is higher, a better position to try and look down on the front of that car) you still cant see where the air stops and sheet metal begins. Ill say this, Vickers just want to block traffic. Not really paying attention to whose behind him, all he knows is it's a car and it could put him back in the field. At Daytona if you get passed you dont get passed by one or two you get passed by half the field who are ridin the draft. Jr. wants back on the track, esp. after being in the marbles at the bottom and that close to the dirt, also trying to make up lost distance. I dont doubt he was POed but why risk taking your self out by bumpin Vickers. I dont blame either one of them. Vickers wanted his spot, fair enough. and Jr. wanted to avoid a DNF.
Both Vickers and Jr. were a lap down. He was just fighting for the lucky dog.
Kim

I dont watch racing...but this is my take...

Jr. goes down to pass...in my book he's on the accelerator...
Gets bumped by Vickers as Jr. goes down, Jr's probably still on the accel...

Does Vickers tap his brakes and slow and this is why Jr comes back with the tap that sends him up the track?

If Jr is on the gas to pass...which he most likely is....and his car has forward motion going and the Vickers taps the brakes to slow Jr down then Jr would of course bump him...

I dont watch racing...but this is my take...

Jr. goes down to pass...in my book he's on the accelerator...
Gets bumped by Vickers as Jr. goes down, Jr's probably still on the accel...

Does Vickers tap his brakes and slow and this is why Jr comes back with the tap that sends him up the track?

If Jr is on the gas to pass...which he most likely is....and his car has forward motion going and the Vickers taps the brakes to slow Jr down then Jr would of course bump him...

It's DAYTONA, they're ALL on the gas pretty much the whole race ;):D