Wow, I really like this car and this is what I would want next time. Black on Black real LS6 car with a real build sheet. I like the CE motor because you could actually drive this and not worry if something happened. Wondering what this will go for with the the replacement CE engine....maybe 30% less than an identical one with its original engine? Nice car for sure.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280312485739&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=#ht_500wt_959

No title? That could pose an issue with a smooth sales transaction.

No title? That could pose an issue with a smooth sales transaction.

Alot of states don't issue titles for cars over 25 years old. Wouldn't be a deal breaker or leverage for the buyer IMHO and experience.Usually a transferable registration is all you need.

Looks like a nicely done car!

Lets see Barrett Jackson sold a 70 LS6 numbers matching with build sheet for $80K after the 10% buyers fee. This guy wants $100K for a CE motor? I doubt there are any bids on this car.

Beautiful car! Kinda starting to like bumper guards...

Let's see, no title, wrong engine, wants more than $100k. You got to be kidding!

The no title thing is moot. In Georgia if the car is an original Georgia car it would not have a title, cars back then didn't get them. A bill of sale is sufficient for selling.
That is not to say the guy isn't nuts with his starting price. No way is it worth that kind of money, with the way things are forged today who knows if the build sheet is true or not, we do know that the engine is not original therefore its just another big block 454 chevelle that may or may not have been a LS6 when it was built.

Nice restoration pics for verification. As stated above, B-J had restored cars that sold for much less.

Lets see Barrett Jackson sold a 70 LS6 numbers matching with build sheet for $80K after the 10% buyers fee. This guy wants $100K for a CE motor? I doubt there are any bids on this car.

With all due respect, just because a car crossed the block at BJ with that crew claiming "All numbers matching" doesn't mean anything. I've seen more restamps and bad ones at that at BJ yet they still claim it's real. So who's to say if it was only an 80K car in the first place which may or not have been bought back by the owner. In more instances than not, BJ has become a lot of smoke and mirrors and I personally wouldn't use their prices as any guage of the true market. Just my .02 on it

Would YOU pay 100K for a claimed LS6 with a CE motor? Not me, not in this lifetime.

My guess is that he is using e-bay simply as an inexpensive way to advertise his car for sale to a wide audience and his listed price is simply an advertising figure. With John's clone going for $55k and a real deal with original engine at this level in the $100k range, I'm curious where this will fall in the range between those 2 prices.

Would YOU pay 100K for a claimed LS6 with a CE motor? Not me, not in this lifetime.

I don't know DeWayne, I guess it would depend on having a boat load of money and what I was looking for at the time. What you appear to have here, without a closer inspection, is a very nicely done nut bolt rotisserie restoration on an original LS6 car. The build sheet looks good to me, the trans. appears original, possibly the rear may be original as well and the con vin is stamped on the body tying it to the build sheet. I took a look at their Website and their resto work looks like in can hang with the best of them. The quality and expense of the restoration alone gives this car most of it's value. What remains to be determined is what someone is willing to pay on top of that for the fact that this is a Real LS6 car even though it has a CE motor. Is it worth a 100K to someone? Maybe or maybe not but I'll bet they have pretty close to that in it if all the correct components are there. What's this car worth with a desireable color, it's original motor and docs if it's all there? 125-150K give or take? Just my take on this particular car.

My guess is that he is using e-bay simply as an inexpensive way to advertise his car for sale to a wide audience and his listed price is simply an advertising figure. With John's clone going for $55k and a real deal with original engine at this level in the $100k range, I'm curious where this will fall in the range between those 2 prices.

This is not meant to sound like a knock on John's car at all because it is a beautiful car but the work that has been done to this car far exceeds what John put into his Red car and I believe he'll be the first to tell you that. I'm speaking particularly about the cost of a rotisserie restoration, couple that with real docs and real LS6 components and your not comparing 2 similar cars. As for a rotisserie restored real deal LS6 with paperwork and the original engine selling in the 100K range, I think you may be a little low on that number. I'm sure John will be along in a while with his thoughts on this car, he loves these threads!!:thumbsup:

He would've been better off to say...sold on bill of sale, as Georgia cars have no titles. Not an issue, my friend bought 2 1971 Mustangs from a guy in Atlanta, he had no problems getting Indiana titles. I see a few things not right, but overall, a decent car. $100K decent, no.

Definately a nice nut and bolt frame off. Triple black on a 70 is a beautiful sight that is for sure! :yes:

Looks like John was here yesterday...where is he hiding today? :confused:

Wow - That body shop seems to have the market cornered on LS6 restorations! Quite a few of them on their in progress and completed pages of their web site. :eek: There are some really sharp cars!!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Definately a nice nut and bolt frame off. Triple black on a 70 is a beautiful sight that is for sure! :yes:

Looks like John was here yesterday...where is he hiding today? :confused:

He'll be around!:thumbsup:

Is that a white dash cluster too?

With No Disrespect to John and I am sure he knows that..;)

At what point do the folks here stop comparing every Clone Car for sale to what John sold his for? :confused:

I mean, I am happy for John and the car may have been worth every penny of it, but we really can't continue to compare every clone car to John's.. just as If I were to sell my current 66 SS and get huge $ for it.. I wouldn't now start using or expect people to use it as a Guide to what every restored 66 SS is valued at... sometimes, a specific A$$ finds a seat and pays for it.. and it's that simple. :yes:

Off topic a bit I know, and I apologize.. but it's just something I have been seeing lately with WIW topics of Clones here at TC., if I am out of line or alone in this thinking.. I apologize also.

Sorry.. back to the car at hand.

Sharp looking!

Mike

I was sitting on the couch and the back of my neck started tingling, so I came on here and sure enough........... :D

To the question of Quality, my car was definately nice, but driven. This car is a rotiseree restored Frame off car. When you crawl underneath them, and the Belly pans look like they're powder coated, well that takes it to the next level.

Decide to drive it? Then it dosen't take long to become a driver.

I think with the sale of my car, I caught the tale end of what a strong market will bring. I saw car very similar to mine in the same colors sell for $60K 6 months earlier than the sale of mine.

So while I would agree that we can't guage all sales values on my car, I will say it will get expotentially more difficult finding a nicer one for less, even in an unstable market.

Finding any car that is capable in winning a specialty award like a "best GM" on a local level is difficult to find under $50K. Especially with a 70SS, real or not.

In regards to this one?

Many people consider a CE block as good as original, especially if dated within a normal warrenty period. I do not, but some do.

Quality and detail? Absolutely it's there.

But I'm not sure if the market will bear the starting price or not, but I think the quality of this car could match a numbers matching car of lesser quality.

With that, I'd by trying to pay in the $80K range if I wanted it, but then again, all it takes is for somebody to want it real bad and have the finances to back it and that changes everything.

One thing for sure that opinion dosen't effect, it's a nice car.

To me, what one person paid for anything doesn't really mean all that much because there are people that will pay way more than something is actually worth.

Also comparing one car sold on BJ or anywhere else for that mater doesn't either.
Every car should be judged on it's own merit.

To me, what one person paid for anything doesn't really mean all that much because there are people that will pay way more than something is actually worth.

Also comparing one car sold on BJ or anywhere else for that matter doesn't either.
Every car should be judged on it's own merit.

Exactly........I'm certain that those bidders with millions at B-J on Saturday bought any car before having it gone over by experts. I'm also certain those experts know much, much more than many members on this site will ever know.

Does anyone really believe that an individual with gobs of money, who is a car collector, would purchase any type of vehicle without being certain it's the real thing? If so, that's the only person who's naive....and many of them are here.

I KNOW my 1970 LS-6 Chevelle is original and correct, but I also KNOW that if some of the members here saw it, they would cast their usual doubts, despite full documentation. Now, I wonder why that is? Jealousy or just plain scepticism or both? :rolleyes:

Does anyone really believe that an individual with gobs of money, who is a car collector, would purchase any type of vehicle without being certain it's the real thing? If so, that's the only person who's naive....and many of them are here.




Oh John.. it happens all to frequently!! I wish more of the guys with the GOBS of money would have contacted me first over the years before buying their Numbers Matching 66 SS and 67 SS :sad: but all too often, I get that email asking me to REVIEW their car because they either want to sell or they are just Curious.... and it's never fun giving the bad news :noway:

I am currently dealing with a similar situation.. a car I evaluated some time ago... and passed on for reasons I will not get into here... I get an email from the owner and known car collector recently asking me if might know someone wanting to buy said car.. I was like YIKES!!!! I said No, I don't and now I need to give some bad news to him.. Shessh.. I thought I did enough of that at my day job :(

So, Yes, Gobs of money and all.. they still buy without doing their homework.. but it's getting better!

Exactly........I'm certain that those bidders with millions at B-J on Saturday bought any car before having it gone over by experts. I'm also certain those experts know much, much more than many members on this site will ever know.

Does anyone really believe that an individual with gobs of money, who is a car collector, would purchase any type of vehicle without being certain it's the real thing? If so, that's the only person who's naive....and many of them are here.

I KNOW my 1970 LS-6 Chevelle is original and correct, but I also KNOW that if some of the members here saw it, they would cast their usual doubts, despite full documentation. Now, I wonder why that is? Jealousy or just plain scepticism or both? :rolleyes:

Pictures, pictures, pictures John, post them up, we all like to see Chevelles!!!:thumbsup::beers: PS, I'm willing to bet the best experts concerning Chevelles are right here on this site. :thumbsup:

Pictures, pictures, pictures John, post them up, we all like to see Chevelles!!!:thumbsup::beers:

When "shes's" done getting 'cleaned up' Mike, and I'll await the onslaught of critics. ;)

Oh John.. it happens all to frequently!! I wish more of the guys with the GOBS of money would have contacted me first over the years before buying their Numbers Matching 66 SS and 67 SS :sad: but all too often, I get that email asking me to REVIEW their car because they either want to sell or they are just Curious.... and it's never fun giving the bad news :noway:

I am currently dealing with a similar situation.. a car I evaluated some time ago... and passed on for reasons I will not get into here... I get an email from the owner and known car collector recently asking me if might know someone wanting to buy said car.. I was like YIKES!!!! I said No, I don't and now I need to give some bad news to him.. Shessh.. I thought I did enough of that at my day job :(

So, Yes, Gobs of money and all.. they still buy without doing their homework.. but it's getting better!

Mike,

So you're essentially saying that a guy like Pratt doesn't do his homework, and would still buy a car? :confused:

When "shes's" done getting 'cleaned up' Mike, and I'll await the onslaught of critics. ;)

Nahhh! Post em' up, I post the rat pictures of my cars too, everyone does!!:thumbsup:

Mike,

So you're essentially saying that a guy like Pratt doesn't do his homework, and would still buy a car? :confused:

If Mike wont I will. Last I had heard he bought a 69 RS/Z28 Camaro in Vegas last fall. Vin tags & trim tags along with real documentation transfered to another body. That got hushed up real quick.

If Mike wont I will. Last I had heard he bought a 69 RS/Z28 Camaro in Vegas last fall. Vin tags & trim tags along with real documentation transfered to another body. That got hushed up real quick.


Yes, I heard that to!!!! And it was also "certified", or was that "Inspected", by one of the Camaro guys, who shall also remain nameless to protect the guilty............Okay, that is it, I said enough already.:D

As far as this car, I agree it is a lot for a CE motored car, more than I feel the market bears at this point. That being said.........I am sure knowing who built it, and having been there to witness the quality of their restorations firsthand..........I am sure it is first rate quality on the restoration work. So who are we to say that another lesser quality restoration that sold for about 80K might not make this one worth 100K to somebody. And besides, Rule #1 always says you can always come down in price, you can never go up,right? So you are going to have to start somewhere, and starting out high is what you have to do. I can not speak for them, I do not know if this is the answer, but just speaking from experience, if the time and therefore money has been put in this car as I expect it was, that would be the price point you would have to start at. I agree with most here that it is more than I would be willing to go, but do not consider it a crazy price, just higher than average. As an aside, know of a recent restoration project that sold. Shadow grey LS-6, Black Bench Seat 4spd, Guages, Cowl Hood, AM/FM Stereo tape, loads of documentation including Build sheet, Protecto-plate, Bill of sale, window sticker, Salesmens business card and envelope from Roger Penske Chev in Phila, Insurance contract from Roger Penske Ins Agency, and every PA Registration ever!!!!! Also a CE motor replaced in 1973, car was not rusty and ran, had loads of dents, lots of good stuff there, but missing a few engine pieces. Needed a total resto though. Car just sold a few weeks ago for 38K. Now I guess the question could be, could this car be built to be in the shape as the black car here for less than 62K? You might pull it off........ but it will be close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bottom line is it is more than the current market, but also possible that the high quality of restoration might make it attractive to one buyer, and that is all you need.

Jeff Dotterer
Dated Components
Diamond Restored Judge

[QUOTE=Diamond Judge1;2215122]Yes, I heard that to!!!! And it was also "certified", or was that "Inspected", by one of the Camaro guys, who shall also remain nameless to protect the guilty............Okay, that is it, I said enough already.:D

So what was the out come?...did the buyer get his money back or was there some other type of settlement? Just curious..

So what was the out come?...did the buyer get his money back or was there some other type of settlement? Just curious..

I am pretty sure you will never hear or know the outcome, as it is too embarrassing to all parties involved. It gets swept under the rug like all the rest of the shennanigans that happen at these auctions.:sad:

Jeff Dotterer
Dated Components
Diamond Restored Judge

Well it looks like someone is interested in this car with 1 bid.

I live in Georgia and I have a 70 Chevelle and it has a Georgia Title... I got it after I registered it. I also drive by the sellers business everyday!check out his website www.jenjacs.com (http://www.jenjacs.com) he's built lots of Chevelles!

I live in Georgia and I have a 70 Chevelle and it has a Georgia Title... I got it after I registered it. I also drive by the sellers business everyday!check out his website www.jenjacs.com (http://www.jenjacs.com) he's built lots of Chevelles!

I have checked out their website Scott, and I know one person who has been to their shop and seen their work. He claims it's outstanding and judging by the pictures of their frameoff work I would have to agree. They don't look like they are skipping any corners that's for sure.

Would YOU pay 100K for a claimed LS6 with a CE motor? Not me, not in this lifetime.

Not me!!!!!

maybe the market is stronger than we thought.....$120k+ and climbing.

maybe the market is stronger than we thought.....$120k+ and climbing.

Yeah, it's kind of peculiar. This is a Chevelle enthusiast's site, and the people on here generally think they're worth a whole lot less that the rest of the general population.

Yeah, it's kind of peculiar. This is a Chevelle enthusiast's site, and the people on here generally think they're worth a whole lot less that the rest of the general population.

:yes: I agree with that statement! I will add "some of the people on here"

Maybe the forum name should be "What would YOU give for it" rather than "What's it worth" ?

In responce to Jeff's reply yes that got buried just like the original body !! All I can say as I have a copy of the certifcation that is signed oh wait a minute that was the rough draft, the final stating restoration drivetrain and possible rebody some time later (much) wasn't signed Hmmm. Buts thats a whole other thread.

In regards to a CE engine having judged with Jeff for many years and inspecting many cars for customers and myself a CE engine carries 10 times more value than a "restoration engine" . I know it didn't hurt the value of my LS-6 convertible when it sold.

Having attended every Barrett-Jackson for many years what looks good on TV isn't always the case, I have looked over many a car for buyers and if it only brought $$$ thats because thats what it was worth. There are many educated people there to buy cars not just the guy looking for his 3 minutes of TV fame.

The quality of the restoration along with the correctness of the parts on it and documentation and history all lead to that final figure.

Its not the Current economy its simply this !!!

A good car correctly restored of collector quality meaning Low production number,Good color, desirable options and transmission and documentation will always bring Good money !! Period !!!!


A half assed car missing the smog, carb, dist, alt with an amature resto will bring just that ,half of what a Correctly done one will.

As for that Shadow Gray car I did my best to get it here, We were close, but I am thankfull to be involed in the restoration currently to get it where it needs to be !!!!

Jim