Prices down this year? We will find out now, This is a multiple guess poll.

Did I see a nice blue 4 speed 65-66 Impala SS sell for 12k earlier?

how much are the Buicks selling for? :cool:

I started to say "Return of reserve prices next year" but Craig Jackson is such a whore he'd rather sale CLUNKER JUNKERS for $5 a piece than he would go back to No Sales, so I had to go with "Wont break lastyears record". (BUT then I think he suddenly added another extra 100 or so cars this year at the last minute. Probably just to pad the final #s for braggin rights! :rolleyes: )

ROLL EM, :thumbsup:
RA

how much are the Buicks selling for? :cool:

About the same price as that used bumper on eBay!

Great buy on a Saturn ahile ago, it went for $3500. There are so many guys with money trying to impress the people watching that there should still be some crazy prices. They won't think anything of paying $60 thou for a car worth $45 out in the market place.

Take away the GM Heritage Cars tonight and the market so far is WAAAAAAAAAAAY down on the offerings!!! :confused:

GM saved the opening days reciepts so far. There's actually been some DEALS go across the blocks tonight!!! :thumbsup:

I remember that ZR-2 454 tested back in the day. DAMN I liked that car, but I would NOT have paid $65k for it... :noway:
RA

how much are the Buicks selling for? :cool:


Buy a hotdog and large coke and they give you a free Buick. :D l:)

Did I see a nice blue 4 speed 65-66 Impala SS sell for 12k earlier?

It was $13k but it was a 66 2 barrel 283 (replaced with a 4brl but otherwise claimed to be #s matching) and a 2pd Powerglide...

;)
RA

BJ is such a staged - made for TV production, I bet they keep selling till the "record" is broken or just inflate their #'s so it is broken. Good entertainment - but reality.....not.

YOu can see how GM mis-managed their business, by seeing all these cars from the Heritage collection that are pretty much just an excuse for one of the departments to build something for fun! Some are prototypes, but a lot look like engineers just playing around. Why would GM waste money buying restored 4 doors? With the money they had, why not buy converts and hardtops!

Most of what they're passing off as "Heritage Collection" is a bunch of test mules. Put a new braking system, transmission, motor, etc. in a car and beat it to death on the road. Doesn't draw any attention and gets real world data. That's the reason for trucks, 4 doors, etc. After they've done their duty they can't sell them so they just parked them. Then there were the 'toys' built to keep people busy when they weren't testing.

1970 LS6 for $73k...is that a good deal?

I was blown away when the 1956 Chevy Nomad with a limited production 430 engine sold for only 40K. It was flat out beautiful on TV. I can't remember seeing a Nomad go for that little in any condition for some time now.

I saw a real nice red 65 Impala SS 4 speed bucket go for $25 and I feel the only BB C4 would be worth more than $65 but hey that's me!

$25 for any muscle car is good!! :D

when I, saw the saturn on the auction block I, about died! I, thought this was about classic and muscle cars!

About time 68's got a little love!

Tuesday, Lot #401 SScoupe $49500 Nothing special just clean.

Who's the douchebag with the shades? I think it's craig Jackson but not sure. He needs to loose the shades, Pretty corny. I'm glad I have a DVR so I can speed through the saturn's & such.

LK

Tonight should pick up as tues and wed are usually the lower dollar cars.

Who's the douchebag with the shades? I think it's craig Jackson but not sure. He needs to loose the shades, Pretty corny. I'm glad I have a DVR so I can speed through the saturn's & such.

LKSteve Davis is who wears the sunglasses

While there are some nice cars tonite, looks like there is a lot of boring stuf, too. Just load up with Chevelles, Camaros and Novas. Leave all the Mustangs at the shop! Same for all those corvettes that look alike!

I think it's getting harder to watch each year. Airhead announcers flapping their jaws while someone is trying to discribe car on the block. Bearly see the car go off the block and they go to commercial while a couple more cars go thru, then go to some guy out wandering thru the tent showing us cars that will go Friday or Saturday. Seems the prices might be down alittle, but maybe they're more realistic? Still most owners aren't going to get the money spent getting the cars into the condition they're in. I noticed they really pushed the fact that the GM cars will be very difficult to register. They kept saying the cars come with salvage title?

I watched 3 nice street rods last night go for cheap money, 30s and low 40s. Those same cars a couple of years ago would have brought twice that. I wonder if some cars aren't bid on by the owners to protect their investment, rather than lose big money on a low bid?

God these GM 1 off cars SUCK! 1988 ZR1 for 100K? Those engines are boat anchors! On another note the real muscle car prices seemed pretty decent.

I think it's getting harder to watch each year. Airhead announcers flapping their jaws while someone is trying to discribe car on the block. Bearly see the car go off the block and they go to commercial while a couple more cars go thru, then go to some guy out wandering thru the tent showing us cars that will go Friday or Saturday. Seems the prices might be down alittle, but maybe they're more realistic? Still most owners aren't going to get the money spent getting the cars into the condition they're in. I noticed they really pushed the fact that the GM cars will be very difficult to register. They kept saying the cars come with salvage title?

I feel the same way, it can be frustraing when all we want to know is it original or what and whats in it.:thumbsup:

Rob

I watched 3 nice street rods last night go for cheap money, 30s and low 40s. Those same cars a couple of years ago would have brought twice that. I wonder if some cars aren't bid on by the owners to protect their investment, rather than lose big money on a low bid?

That's the dirty little secret. How many owners are buying their own cars back for 18% of the block price rather than take a beating. That's what you'll never know, they like everyone to think they are all being sold. I've also seen some cars "Sell" for 1/2 or less than it would cost to restore them. If some of them are "Really" selling, there can't be a lot of happy sellers in the early days of the auction..:noway:

Starting tonite they will show the video of the auction online. It is about the only way to see all the stuff they miss during commercials and to hear the auctioneers describe the car.

I just can not envision paying the prices these cars seem to fetch, even in these down times, plus the buyers premium. The last few years I figured I could build many of the cars shown for lots less than the prices. This year it seems to be down to where some I have seen were for less than a top resto.

One big block Vette in particular seemed to be way less that I expected.

All bets are off, I am currently watching a VW bus selling for $55,000. And the announcer says he things it would be fun to drive.

Team Camaro was just mentioned. I thought it was cool. No Team Chevelle yet? :( :D

anyone see the butternut yellow 66 ss last night? sold for 49k? The car has been local around here for awhile. probably a 30k car. no where near 49. so somethings are still getting up there.

i've been watching it pretty closely the last few nights, and i tell you what, if your not pissed off over the $500 to get in the tent, or the excessive fees, i see a lot of people getting very frustrated over the amount of time they are spending with each ride this year.

you bid your $ and then the guy spends 10+ minutes brow beating others into bidding. almost an e-bay situation, wait till the end of the bidding only to get sniped. if you look close you can see some really frustrated people in the audiance. i think they are spending 2-3 times more on each car than they spent last year.

and i've seen a lot of 100k customs go for a fraction of the build price....

They are working hard to get bids up and pretty much telling the bidders how stupid they are for not bidding up the car. Still have had quite a few cars stall out in the 20 thou range. The first car I saw during commercail on the new was an Austin healey.
these were the darlings last year, some doing near or over $100k. This nice car they ran tonight stopped at 30k. They stopped the auction twice to explain to the bidders that his was too cheap. didn't matter, it didn't get any more action.
I think I am seeing more cars go across the block on the internet then I am on the tv show.
Here's what I saw during commercials
Healy - 66 Chev 427 - Ford truck built for Sema, they said it cost over 300k bid to 39 and they couldn't beg a penny more - 87 Buick Grand National 6700 miles 32k - 73 Z28 28k - red 66 SS396 38k - 61 chev 409 4 spd 30k - 69 Camaro yellow 396 4 spd 42k - 63 Chev 409 4 spd red no price - 37 Plymouth convert 60k - 38 buick street Rod 40 - blue 70 Chevelle 396 numbers match 40. All these cars went thru during commercials.

i've been watching it pretty closely the last few nights, and i tell you what, if your not pissed off over the $500 to get in the tent, or the excessive fees, i see a lot of people getting very frustrated over the amount of time they are spending with each ride this year.

you bid your $ and then the guy spends 10+ minutes brow beating others into bidding. almost an e-bay situation, wait till the end of the bidding only to get sniped. if you look close you can see some really frustrated people in the audiance. i think they are spending 2-3 times more on each car than they spent last year.

and i've seen a lot of 100k customs go for a fraction of the build price....

I AGREE, I heard them earlier this week say a bidders registration fee this year is $500!!! :confused: :mad: :sad: I was like, "WHAT?" Wasn't it $100 in the past? Just paying that much for Sir Craig to let you into his sandbox is REDICULOUS. Might woulda been ok in 2006 but NOT today, bidding area sure is down on people as well. Bad enough getting kicked in the nuts with a 10% buyers fee, but to get "the honor" of paying $500 in advance of being raped... :o :noway:

Whatta country,
RA

Nobody puts a gun to anyone's head to pay the $500 or consign their car to BJ last time I checked :noway: ;)

You don't have to pay $500 to get in the tent. The $500 is for a bidders pass which gets you into the front seating section and free drinks and, of course, you are then approved to bid on the cars. You can still get in the main tent to watch the action with a general admission ticket which is $43. Russo is $50 and RM is $100.

Buy a hotdog and large coke and they give you a free Buick. :D l:)
152,900.00 what kind of coke are you buying yeeaa for the buicks:hurray::beers:

152,900.00 what kind of coke are you buying yeeaa for the buicks:hurray::beers:

I saw that too! Gorgeous triple black GS Vert! Great to see the Buicks getting the respect they deserve at BJ. The Buick guys are saying they aren't even sure that was a real Stage 1, perhaps just a 455. At any rate, great car that did well! :hurray:

The black GS was bought by Rick Hendrick. He has bought at leat 3 cars so far.

Anyone out there been watching over the past few days ?

I am either going nuts of a customized Studebaker Super Sonic was already across the block on Thursday or Friday, but is not listed either day.

I swear they showed that car across the block, how the turbine thing at the rear end was nothing more than the exhaust and the roof was from some chrysler product car.

Am I going nuts? lol

Once again Steve Davis is dissing Chevelles in favor as of his beloved Mustang/ Shellbys. It seems that 99% of the Chevelles hit the stage during commercial breaks.

1970 LS6 for $73k...is that a good deal?

Would have sold for $120k last year and maybe $150 the year before...

Most of the prices are down. But I think they are becoming more realistic. They have been way overinflated for the past few years...

My friend is in a motel and can't see BJ so I checked a couple of prices for him.

these two cars just went through.

1970 shelby gt500 $100,000.

1969 z28 cross ram matching numbers 200 mile off frame resto 4sp $85,000.

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Looking at the 2007 auction on basically the same two cars.

shelbys were 175,000 181,000 181,000.

1969 z28 176,000.

I told him the prices were down from 30% to 50% from two years ago, or anyway in this case it looks like it.

Anyway, for its worth.

Rob

I think the quality alone has dropped on the "NO RESERVE" auctions at BJ and this may be reflected in the prices. If you look at the cars at Russo and Steele, they are hands down the cream of the crop cars for auction at this time, so it's hard to compare. Everything looks pretty on TV, but I suspect the higher end cars aren't on TV but on the block with a reserve at R&S.

Would have sold for $120k last year and maybe $150 the year before...

Most of the prices are down. But I think they are becoming more realistic. They have been way overinflated for the past few years...

Thanks for answering my question Scott...I'm new to Chevelles and presently learning as much as I can about them before I buy one. I think a true LS6 maybe out of my price range but a nice 1970 LS5 or 396 might be the ticket. Generally how much less (% wise) does a LS5 or a 396 go for in comparison (in compariable condition) to a 70 LS6? :beers:

I think the quality alone has dropped on the "NO RESERVE" auctions at BJ and this may be reflected in the prices. If you look at the cars at Russo and Steele, they are hands down the cream of the crop cars for auction at this time, so it's hard to compare. Everything looks pretty on TV, but I suspect the higher end cars aren't on TV but on the block with a reserve at R&S.

Not to start an argument here, but I just looked at some of r&s auctions from a year and two and the prices seem lower on r&s as a whole but I could be wrong.

No argument Rob.:thumbsup: I've been hearing from a lot of guys down here and from friends I have around the country that they're all done bringing their high end stuff to the "NO RESERVE" auction. They're tired of the high buy back prices and with the state of the economy, it makes more financial sense to go with Mecum or R&S. At least if their 150K car stalls at 100K, they don't have to pay 18K plus to bring it home from a reserve auction. I think things have swung in a different direction on the high end, no issue cars. Take a good look at Mecums' upcoming auction in Fl. and R&Ss' consignments in AZ, these are cars that you would have seen 2 years ago at BJ!

ive been watching winners expressions, looking for looks of disapointment as in buyin back there cars. seen a few. cought reggy jackson bid on his ZL1 the next bidder won it. and reggie wasnt lookin happy, anyone else catch that????

That was correct. Reggies COPO 427 Camaro stalled at $280. Jackson pimped on it all he could and it would do anymore, so finally Reggie bid on it himself and ran it up to $300 then let it go. According to Jackson, every car there is worth about twice what it is bid. Seems to me like what it is bid is what it should really be worth!

When a year ao mecum sold these Zl-1 for 400-800K I can imagine the shock of only getting $280K would upset more than one person.

This auction aside from the GM cars and the "specialty" cars like the #1 t-bird and the "charity" cars has shown the market to have undergone a major correction which was long over due.

If not for Ron Pratt and Hendricks would they have sold anything for big bucks? Seems like those 2 accounted for several of the big dollar purchases.

I look at the collector car market over the past few years as being driven by the same greed that put the banking industry, Housing and the rest in the tank. It is a market that has been and continues to be controlled by a small group of people who seem to be selling their cars to one another and a bunch of them through the Barrett-Jackson auctions. one guys buys this car this time, the next time he reciprocates and buy the other fellows, both of them at profit, so each keeps making money. But then the market falls and all of them are left scrambling and taking 1/2 or less of what they paid for a car the last time.

Notice the price of the 1970 matching #'s cuda and the GT500 convertible? Down..big time
West Palm Beach will be even worse...

When a year ao mecum sold these Zl-1 for 400-800K I can imagine the shock of only getting $280K would upset more than one person.

The buyer is in for a nice shock as well. There's a reason it "only" brought 280k. :yes:
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/378314/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1

Reggie's #27 ZL-1 "In The Day". Courtesy the Internet.

EDIT: Jacquie beat me to it.

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk75/ls7chevelle/ZL11.jpg

EDIT: Jacquie beat me to it.



LOL - Gotta get up early, John! Cool pic though, no matter what! :yes:

Dewayne couldn't agree more about the greed thing! SYC site and Team Camaro mentioned the ZL1 Chuck Sharin owned was not the car at the Auction,well kinda only the vin was....Theres a new term Born With Vin Rebodie...

LOL - Gotta get up early, John! Cool pic though, no matter what! :yes:
:thumbsup: :beers:

Their's a reason that a lot of the BJ cars are down , 1) is definitely the economy, but 2) is the lack of any real , non-issue cars ! Re-bodies,VIN swaps ,fake paperwork cars are everywhere and that they go across the block on Prime Time now , in my opinion is that is all BJ can attract now. Anybody that want's to get rid of a questionable car now,......take it to BJ ! They'll do it, and do it in prime time too !! Check out some other threads on the Yenko site on the ,3 Re-bodies that Jacquie provided the link for. ZL1 only real thing is the VIN and COWL tag, ...Green COPO Rebodied.... etc etc etc. Check out the thread on the "NicKey Nova " ,.....Un-Believable...... Rear Prices are down, but I wouldn't use the BJ auction as the bible on car prices. It will be interesting to see how Russo and Mechum's make out , better cars, real cars,and car Owners not "Professional Puffers and Sellers".....just my thoughts

ZL1 only real thing is the VIN and COWL tag, ...Green COPO Rebodied.... etc etc etc.

I understood it to be that the only REAL ZL1 part of that car was the vin tag, that the trim tag was a replacment also. Maybe I missed something...

Not enough air time for the 67 chevelles..im pissed!!!!! Hated that turd six cylinder vin chevelle that went across the block for 44k..i think it was green and they called it pro touring!!! Junk!!!!!!!!!!

Here's the video of the ZL-1 auction up on YouTube now.... (embedding is disabled, so click on it to get it to work....)

YouTube - 1969 ZL-1 Camaro - Barrett-Jackson 2009

So now they're "rebodied" and not clones? Seems that lots of people said this was going to happen when the "new" Camaro and Mustang Dynacorn bodies showed up. Oh well, now that a new title has been issued and some receipts get lost and 'Viola', numbers matching, real deal.

Once again Steve Davis is dissing Chevelles in favor as of his beloved Mustang/ Shellbys. It seems that 99% of the Chevelles hit the stage during commercial breaks.


Like it or not, Davis is a "Ford" guy and always will be. What can ya' do?

Not many Chevelles there this year, but we did see a bunch of Five-Sevens go on the block and sell for big bucks. :D

Who's the douchebag with the shades? I think it's craig Jackson but not sure. He needs to loose the shades, Pretty corny. I'm glad I have a DVR so I can speed through the saturn's & such.

LK

Steve Davis is who wears the sunglasses

Davis supposedly wears them to eliminate the glare from the stage lights.

I think it's getting harder to watch each year. Airhead announcers flapping their jaws while someone is trying to discribe car on the block. Bearly see the car go off the block and they go to commercial while a couple more cars go thru, then go to some guy out wandering thru the tent showing us cars that will go Friday or Saturday. Seems the prices might be down alittle, but maybe they're more realistic? Still most owners aren't going to get the money spent getting the cars into the condition they're in. I noticed they really pushed the fact that the GM cars will be very difficult to register. They kept saying the cars come with salvage title?


That annoyed us as well. :mad:

i've been watching it pretty closely the last few nights, and i tell you what, if your not pissed off over the $500 to get in the tent, or the excessive fees, i see a lot of people getting very frustrated over the amount of time they are spending with each ride this year.

you bid your $ and then the guy spends 10+ minutes brow beating others into bidding. almost an e-bay situation, wait till the end of the bidding only to get sniped. if you look close you can see some really frustrated people in the audiance. i think they are spending 2-3 times more on each car than they spent last year.

and i've seen a lot of 100k customs go for a fraction of the build price....


From what I/we saw, no one got sniped. He who hesitates is lost and I watched ALL 40 hours of it. :eek:

Was it last year that the owner of the 'Ramchargers' drag car thought his car could be sold for $350,000? He felt it was "short-hammered" and was annoyed it was being rolled off the block while the bidding was still going on. After it was sold for $250,000, and pushed outside, he chained the front and rear tires together and reported the car "stolen." Now, THAT'S a douchebag!


From what I've heard, each year there is always litigation taking place in auctions such as these.
My thoughts? If you don't like the cars, the people, the bidding or anything else, simply don't watch it.
Just don't watch it only later to complain about it. :beers: