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I'm not sure anyone who even payed some minimal attention to Favre's career over the years would be surprised that he threw a bunch of interceptions. He leads the NFL history book in INTs and its not just because he played a long time. I'm a long time Packers fan and I can remember even early on in his career when the entire Packer home crowd would cheer loudly when he would throw the ball away, out of bounds. They would cheer because most times he'd loft the ball up for grabs and we were all happy he actually did the smart thing and threw it away.

That guy is probably right, but an idiot for saying that publicly.
I'd still rather have a half in his prime Favre over some sissy "manage the game" quarterback.

I also can't disagree with some of the statements, but players thoughts like that should be kept "in house". Perhaps Management felt the same way feeling that the coach didn't do what was necessary to help the team - thus the coach is history.

I was really PO'd (and still am a bit) when McNabb got benched, but at least coach Reid had the guts to do it knowing how certain players, including McNabb, would feel about it. With leadership comes tough decisions.

I was really PO'd (and still am a bit) when McNabb got benched, but at least coach Reid had the guts to do it knowing how certain players, including McNabb, would feel about it. With leadership comes tough decisions.

Why, he threw 4 INT's that game. Don, I don't know how much you follow the Eagles, but living in the area, I see every one of their games. He's not that great of a QB, never was. He never could handle pressure in the pocket. He does have games when he's on, I will say that, but most of the time, he's just a moderate QB at best. Now, I don't really care for how he was benched in that game. Reid didn't tell McNabb himself, he had the QB coach do it. If he was going to get benched, the Head Coach should be the one telling him so, not copping out of it by making one of the assistant coaches do it. The last game vs. Dallas, he only had 171 passing yards in a 44-6 win. The defense scored all the points in that game, not the offense.

Thomas Jones is showing that he is ready to take a spot on the Cowboys roster along with the other "me" guys!!:yes:

Im not a Favre fan, not a Packers fan, and not a Jets fan... it really doesnt matter how many interceptions a QB throws if he wins the game, this isnt fantasy league where the other team gets points just for an interception. He has had many many comebacks (which in my eyes makes a QB a great QB) He has won more games than he has lost and has racked up huge statistics in the positive.

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I'm not sure anyone who even payed some minimal attention to Favre's career over the years would be surprised that he threw a bunch of interceptions. He leads the NFL history book in INTs and its not just because he played a long time. I'm a long time Packers fan and I can remember even early on in his career when the entire Packer home crowd would cheer loudly when he would throw the ball away, out of bounds. They would cheer because most times he'd loft the ball up for grabs and we were all happy he actually did the smart thing and threw it away.


If your a long time Packers fan then you also know that a very good portion of those interceptions can be attributed to crappy recievers over the years as well. How many times have we watched Favre put the ball square on the numbers of his reciever only for the reciever to pop it up in the air and lose it? How many times have we watched a crappy reciever run the wrong route? Yeah he leads the NFL in career interceptions, but he can't be blamed for all of them, and I would go so far as to say he can't be blamed for a very large portion of those interceptions.

I have been to every single home game Favre played at Lambeau, didn't miss a single one in his career, I have watched plenty of crappy recievers run up his interception count.

Jeff

If your a long time Packers fan then you also know that a very good portion of those interceptions can be attributed to crappy recievers over the years as well. How many times have we watched Favre put the ball square on the numbers of his reciever only for the reciever to pop it up in the air and lose it? How many times have we watched a crappy reciever run the wrong route? Yeah he leads the NFL in career interceptions, but he can't be blamed for all of them, and I would go so far as to say he can't be blamed for a very large portion of those interceptions.

I have been to every single home game Favre played at Lambeau, didn't miss a single one in his career, I have watched plenty of crappy recievers run up his interception count.

Jeff

Your pretty lucky to get both sets of season tickets. Most people don't know this, but there are 2 groups of GB season tickets. "Green Bay-holder" games and "Milwaukee-holder" games. Anyways, I'm going to have to disagree about the most being due to bad receivers. Favre has a bad habit of throwing the ball too hard and too high causing a lot of tips. Those INTs weren't caused by him hitting guys in the numbers and the ball bouncing forward and being intercepted. I agree that there were some bad receivers over the years and they couldn't get open, but then I'd reply with the ball should not be thrown to someone not open. He really had 2 pretty good receivers last year in Driver and Jennings and he still led the league in INTs. Why did he throw so many in NY? Do they have bad receivers too?

Look out Jeff! I think he is a Bears fan!:D

Farve should have stayed retired. He has lost face in the nfl new york already dis likes him his shoulder is bad been bad for some years now ...he should just retire and save what little face he has left....

I absolutely agree that Jones had no business putting that stuff out in the media - and apparently he wasn't the only one.

But NY should have known what they were getting. Frave seems to enjoy the gunslinger type persona. Force the ball where it shouldn't go. When it works it sure is exciting. Ben does the same thing. Really frustrating, though, when it doesn't work - which is the majority of the time in Ben's case, it seems!

What bothered me more than the comments from Jones, was the info about how he stayed away from the team, in a private office, after practice. Wouldn't go to the locker room with everyone else, socialize or otherwise even try to get to know his new teammates! That's not the image he has. The "good old boy" from Mississippi who could get along with anyone. Apparently he suffers from that Prima Dona syndrome - "The world revolves around Me" disease - too. That's probably why he won't retire. No one to kiss his a$$.

I am not mad at Thomas Jones, or anyone other Jets teammate for calling out FAVRE!
I know alot of people think you should keep those types of comments "in-house", but when you have a team that gets THAT CLOSE to finally making the playoffs after years of missing out, AND you add in the fact that they fired the coach..... I can't say I could hold my tongue either.
Just imagine if it was YOUR co-worker that screwed your whole group from getting a nice year end bonus! And then they fire your boss... you would be pissed too!

Favre cost the Jets the game last week ....just like he did to the Packers in last years NFC Championship game last year, but it was the Jet's coach that got fired.:sad:
I'm not saying the coach may have not deserved it, but Favre was forced on him... it wasn't his choice and has even been written that he was against Favre coming to the team all along.
Should it be aired in public....maybe not, but it's NY and it's been getting lot's of air time around here, there's a couple sports talk hosts in NY that are diehard Jets fans and they have been killing Favre.
With all that's happened in the last couple years with Favre , it'll be hard to ever put this phase of his career behind him or "save face"... but he can prevent it from continuing and possibly getting worse.... and he should.

Your pretty lucky to get both sets of season tickets. Most people don't know this, but there are 2 groups of GB season tickets. "Green Bay-holder" games and "Milwaukee-holder" games. Anyways, I'm going to have to disagree about the most being due to bad receivers. Favre has a bad habit of throwing the ball too hard and too high causing a lot of tips. Those INTs weren't caused by him hitting guys in the numbers and the ball bouncing forward and being intercepted. I agree that there were some bad receivers over the years and they couldn't get open, but then I'd reply with the ball should not be thrown to someone not open. He really had 2 pretty good receivers last year in Driver and Jennings and he still led the league in INTs. Why did he throw so many in NY? Do they have bad receivers too?

I married into the right family as far as Packer tickets go. My mother in law has 4 tickets in the south end zone, my wife has 4 in the north end zone and my wifes uncle has four on the southwest 15 yard line that are the gold ticket package (milwakee ticket holders) and he lives in Denver so we just buy them from him every year.

Jeff

Favre's arrival to the Jets brought out play makers in dismal mediocre reveivers and runningh backs. No ONE person can cost any game unless he totally throws the game. with @70 offensive plays, running backs could have scored, receivers could have scored, kickers could have kicked field goals, and then on the defensive 70 plays what about fumble returns for a td, or for that matter the punt returners or kick off returners.... one play or 5 plays do not make a game...

Some fans don't truly understand the game of football and are so cought up in a fantasy league look a players, they don't see the game for what it is... a game that people get paid to play..:sad:

Being 20 minutes south of Green Bay, all I can say is enjoy what you bought New York. What did New York think, we Wisconsin fools weren't smart enough to keep Favre? Did they think we didn't know that he would fall apart as the season grew closer to the end? Favre can't handle the cold weather anymore, not that I blame him, I work outside all winter as well and it takes its toll on me.

The only thing I am disappointed in is I wish he would have at least got into the first round of the playoffs, then our draft pick would have really moved up seeing as how it was conditional on how far the Jets made it this year.

Jeff

You either love the guy or hate him!
That seems to be they way with fans today. If he has a great game he's tits but let him make a mistake and he's a turd. Fair weather fan I think they call them. You see it everywhere anymore.
But then there is no team dedication/loyalty from most players either anymore. It is all about the money and who's willing to shell out the most!:yes:
If Favre had a dozen interceptions but tossed a game winner that put them even into the wild card everyone would be singing his praises!:yes:

No ONE person can cost any game unless he totally throws the game...................
.... one play or 5 plays do not make a game................

If you ask me, one person or one play can EASILY cost a team a game!!
Ask a Steelers fan about the Super Bowl a few years back... Jerome Bettis fumbled ONE BALL, on ONE PLAY, and it almost cost them a Championship. Big Ben saved his a***!

I think Favre is publicly being called out now because the season is over and they can finally say what they have held in for the last few games of the season.. he blew their chances!! Sure, he played a KEY ROLE in them even having any chance of making the playoffs to begin with, but it still doesn't mean he can go out and throw their chances away either! And they fire the COACH for this?? I don't get it.
So, I think the Jets players are saying, hey, you fired our coach, the real person you should have junked was Favre, AND we don't want him here next year!!!!!

I really don't see what you guys are all upset about!!
You could live here and have to put up with the Browns :(

Never was a big fan of Farve (at least I know how to spell his name!). I'm sure he had a different persona in the clubhouse a few years ago. The press and experts made him a prima dona. Don't know much at all about Mangini, but I do think Farve got him fired.

If Wade was fired, I'd say the same thing about Romo and his play in the last couple games. Much like michael vick was a coach killer. But, NY had plenty of years to see what they were getting and what he had left..

Still my favorite joke...farve is going to take a couple weeks to decide whether or not he is going to retire. What couple weeks ask around NY and see what the fans think!

Just curious.... where do you get "FARVE" from?

Never was a big fan of Farve (at least I know how to spell his name!). I'm sure he had a different persona in the clubhouse a few years ago. The press and experts made him a prima dona. Don't know much at all about Mangini, but I do think Farve got him fired.

If Wade was fired, I'd say the same thing about Romo and his play in the last couple games. Much like michael vick was a coach killer. But, NY had plenty of years to see what they were getting and what he had left..

Still my favorite joke...farve is going to take a couple weeks to decide whether or not he is going to retire. What couple weeks ask around NY and see what the fans think!
i'm not even a fan of football, but being from MN i know how to spell Bret Favre's last name...

i'm not even a fan of football, but being from MN i know how to spell Bret Favre's last name...

I could never figure that out, the way it's pronounced, isn't the way it's spelled. Sort of like Coach Mike Krzyzewski -- it's pronounced "Shisheski". What the hell? But then again, what do I know? 64elkynss

Well, I thought maybe this would be one post without a mention of the Cowboys..oh well.

Favre is the media darling of all media darlings. He has won more games by the flick of that wrist and that's all the media and "fans" want to see. The minute a teammate speaks up...all hell breaks lose. I welcome JJ talking about Favre, it's not like the Jets are going to do anything with JJ. He knows he will be back...does ANYONE know if Favre will be back? I don't even think God knows at this point.

Favre threw that early season TD up for grabs and after that...the fans and media fell in deeper love with Favre. The Jets won a few games, Favre's "head" swelled even bigger and so did his JOINTS.

The INT's are credited to the QBs, but IMHO they shouldn't be. If a ball hits a receiver in the HANDS and the WR drops it or tips it in the air, it should just be an incomplete pass on the QB. After all, the QB passed it and didn't attempt to catch it. But, that really wouldn't make any sense considering the NFL has been doing INTs like this as long as I can remember.

Favre's arrival to the Jets brought out play makers in dismal mediocre reveivers and runningh backs. No ONE person can cost any game unless he totally throws the game. with @70 offensive plays, running backs could have scored, receivers could have scored, kickers could have kicked field goals, and then on the defensive 70 plays what about fumble returns for a td, or for that matter the punt returners or kick off returners.... one play or 5 plays do not make a game...

Some fans don't truly understand the game of football and are so cought up in a fantasy league look a players, they don't see the game for what it is... a game that people get paid to play..:sad:

Yes.... but at the end of the game with the game on the line....yes, one person can cost your team the game, ask Browns fans about Byners fumble.;)
I think lot's will agree an interception thrown on your own 20yd line that results in the other team kicking a fieldgoal in OT..... is one play costing the game.

P.S.
Coles, Cotchery, Jones,Washington .... weren't exactly slouches

Brett Farve...Mike Suzuki. I know how to spell both those guys names!

Some guy used to play QB in Green Bay, but his name was Brett Favre (pronounced favor)!

There used to be a coach at duke named Mike Krzyzewski (pronounced Krasewsky) !

If you ask me, one person or one play can EASILY cost a team a game!!
Ask a Steelers fan about the Super Bowl a few years back... Jerome Bettis fumbled ONE BALL, on ONE PLAY, and it almost cost them a Championship. Big Ben saved his a***!

I think Favre is publicly being called out now because the season is over and they can finally say what they have held in for the last few games of the season.. he blew their chances!! Sure, he played a KEY ROLE in them even having any chance of making the playoffs to begin with, but it still doesn't mean he can go out and throw their chances away either! And they fire the COACH for this?? I don't get it.
So, I think the Jets players are saying, hey, you fired our coach, the real person you should have junked was Favre, AND we don't want him here next year!!!!!

Plus, apparently Woody is spending as much time in the locker room as Brett! :D Maybe they're trying to send ownership a message through the media.

For those that continue to believe that one play can cost the game still do not understand the game IMO. Whith that one play that you say "cost" the game, what about the failed third down conversions. Had they been converted they would hav continued the possession, what about field goals, had they converted those into touchdowns instead of relying on a kicker. Their offense AND defense put them in the situation that one play could "cost" them. It was a culmination of a group of failed plays. If you dont belive it Im not going to try to convince you any more. If your team isnt only up by 6 points that a touch down by the other teams INT, or tie that a kicker from the other team, or what have you, blame the offense for not scoring more, or the defense for not stopping them. This all coming from a guy that placed kicked and punted all the way through college (Fresno State)

This all coming from a guy that placed kicked and punted all the way through college (Fresno State)

Kicker........that explains it .:D

One play can lead to loss, but also one play can make you a winner. When a game is close, any single play might have made the difference. I'm not big on Farve, but a stronger effort to catch one ball or for the line to block on a running play, maybe for the defense to make an interception. Any single play that could have been a little different could have changed the outcome.

I do say that if a team is behind by a couple points and they fumble at the goal line or miss a field goal with a few seconds left in the game, it is easy to single out that one play and second guess the offense. Still a better play earlier in the game may have kept them out of that position.

Like any sports game, there are a lot of plays and changing any one might have made a difference.

Don't forget, the Patriots fans still say last years Super Bowl wasn't won by the better team, it was won by one single lucky throw at the end. Yet if the Patriots were the better team they wouldn't have been in that position to let one single throw make them Super Bowl LOSERS instead of champions.

It is never one single play, never. It is an entire game leading up to that one play that determines the results. One play can put it over the top, but it didn't get there on its own.

Jeff

It is never one single play, never. It is an entire game leading up to that one play that determines the results. One play can put it over the top, but it didn't get there on its own.

Jeff

You trying to tell me that in the Jets Bills game two or three weeks ago, that when the Bills were running out the clock with a 2nd down and short , under 2 mins left and the QB rolled out to throw, was stripped and the ball returned for a game winning td..... that one play didn't cost the game..... that's asinine.:rolleyes:
A series of plays earlier during the game that may have made that point in the game different can't be put into the equation..... the game was where it was at that defining moment and that single play was the game changer.....period!! ;)

Why did he throw so many in NY? Do they have bad receivers too?

Yes, the Jets receivers suck!!!! I watched most of the Jets' games this season.
And I saw many of Favre's interceptions as throws that could & should have been caught by Jets' receivers. If Favre had a better set of wide receivers to work with, the Jets would have certainly won more games this season.

Favre cost the Jets the game last week ....just like he did to the Packers in last years NFC Championship game last year, but it was the Jet's coach that got fired.:sad:
I'm not saying the coach may have not deserved it, but Favre was forced on him... it wasn't his choice and has even been written that he was against Favre coming to the team all along.

I will preface this post by noting that I am a long time Jets fan. With that said, any true Jets fan who now says that the Jets were better off with Chad is LYING through his teeth. We watched Chad's fragile shoulder fall apart every other year, while EVERY defensive coordinator in the NFL knew he couldn't make a throw longer than 20 yards. If Pennington was so good, why was he benched for more than half the season in 2007 when the team was 4-12? The Jets were going NOWHERE with him, & I've got news for you, Miami is not winning the Super Bowl either.

Revisionist history & hindsight never reveal the whole story. Favre was NOT forced down Mangini's throat. Mangina himself was making recruiting calls to convince Brett to even consider accepting the trade to the Jets. He even told Favre he would use his name for his newborn baby's middle name. So I don't want to hear that Mangina is the victim here. He made the trade for Favre but ran his offense like he still had a QB who couldn't throw past 10 yards.

Did Favre play like crap down the stretch? No doubt. But so did the rest of the team. Favre didn't play defense, nor was it his fault that the Jets couldn't stop the paltry offenses of the Bills, Niners, & Seahawks. The team lost to the Raiders, Niners, & Seahawks not because of Favre, but because they were UNPREPARED to play. Seattle had a backup QB, & all second stringers starting on the offensive line. Inexcusible. The coach was 100% at fault.

Mangini lost the team as soon as they beat Tennessee. No WINNING coach in the NFL would have stood for the Super Bowl talk entering his locker room in week 10 of the season. That was UNACCEPTABLE.

And don't kid yourself Seb, you wouldn't want a receving duo of Coles & Cotchery starting for your team. They are both #2 receivers at best, but neither one has legitimate breakaway speed.

I will preface this post by noting that I am a long time Jets fan.

My condolences....;) :D

Quote from the article
"NEW YORK (TICKER) —New York Jets running back Thomas Jones earlier this week told a local radio station that future Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre should have been benched at some point during the season.

Jones told Hot 97 FM on Tuesday that Favre’s mistakes hurt the Jets down the stretch.

New York lost four if its last five games, and the 39-year-old Favre tossed nine interceptions with just two touchdowns in that span. Favre finished with 22 touchdowns and a league-worst 22 interceptions, but still somehow made the Pro Bowl.

“We’re a team and we win together. … But at the same time, you can’t turn the ball over and expect to win,” Jones told the radio station two days after Favre tossed three interceptions in the season-ending loss to Miami.

The loss was even more painful because former Jet Chad Pennington outplayed Favre and helped the Dolphins clinched the AFC East. Jones, who led the AFC with 1,312 yards, said the turnovers were the difference in the 24-17 loss.

“The other day, the three interceptions really hurt us. I mean, that’s just reality,” Jones told the radio station. “If I were to sit here and say, ‘Oh, man, it’s OK,’ that’s not reality. … I don’t like it, I know everybody else on the team doesn’t like it.

“If somebody is not playing well, they need to come out of the game,” Jones told Hot 97 FM. “You’re jeopardizing the whole team because you’re having a bad day. To me, that’s not fair to everybody else. You’re not the only one on the team. So when you get to the wire and somebody is just giving the game up, I mean, it’s just not (fair).”"

My condolences....;) :D

Condolences are appreciated. Let's see how badly they screw up the coaching search. For some unknown reason, the GM seems to be infatuated with their offensive coord. Schottenheimer. :rolleyes: He was more incompetent than Mangina.

Condolences are appreciated. Let's see how badly they screw up the coaching search. For some unknown reason, the GM seems to be infatuated with their offensive coord. Schottenheimer. :rolleyes: He was more incompetent than Mangina.

We here it all around here..WFAN New York sports talk has two midday hosts that are life long fans of the Jets, one is in his 50's and has endured it all.
It seems the Favre thing may be having a big impact on the coaches that will be interested in the job, I think the best thing for the Jets would be for Favre to retire, clean house (coaches) and turn the page.
I heard an interview with Tanenbaum....he was very wishy washy when asked about the future of the coaches and Favre.

P.S.
Not that I want the best thing for the Jets;)

We here it all around here..WFAN New York sports talk has two midday hosts that are life long fans of the Jets, one is in his 50's and has endured it all.
It seems the Favre thing may be having a big impact on the coaches that will be interested in the job, I think the best thing for the Jets would be for Favre to retire, clean house (coaches) and turn the page.
I heard an interview with Tanenbaum....he was very wishy washy when asked about the future of the coaches and Favre.

P.S.
Not that I want the best thing for the Jets;)

One of the things I DON'T miss about NYC is WFAN. :rolleyes: I am quite familiar with Joe Benigno. When he started on the air he did the overnight shift & was actually a good listen. Mike Francessa ruined him, just like he did that entire station. I digress...

Don't believe all that stuff about Favre affecting the coaching search that the NY papers are reporting. You should have learned by now that the NY media just likes to create headlines. They hyped the trade, then they hyped the team into buying into the fact they were Super Bowl contenders. Now they are ripping Favre & the trade. :rolleyes: The Jets don't need anyone to create drama for their organization, they do it just fine on their own. If the Jets screw up this coaching search, it WON'T be Brett Favre's fault.

All this excitement over what Thomas Jones said?? Look at the source. One piece of crap running back smear campaigning a shoe-in hall of famer. Did Brett stink up the field the last few games.. Absolutely, but so did ALL of his teammates. This statistic says it all; their record is considerably better this year than last.