I just dont get it. I tell her that if I wanted to go with a solid roller cam set up the way I want to do it with jesel shaft rockers,isky EZ rollers,cam, heavy duty push rods, converter that it would cost over 2 grand. I said it would be cheaper to put a 125-150 shot of nitrous on it for 400 bucks. She said no to the nitrous and to just spend the money.:noway: I dont freaking get it:confused: As soon as I say the word nitrous its like talking to the wall..:sad:
I have been doing the math and lets say that with the upgrades I get another 50-75 HP at the crank divide that by 2500 bucks thats 33 bucks per HP. To me thats expensive HP. Now if I buy a 4 bolt block and a stroker kit the price for the build would be around 4000 and make around 675HP so it would only cost me out of pocket now $5.90 per HP So I need to spend more money to get a lower price per HP.:noway:
Nitrous to me is a no brain-er from more HP as it works out to be .31 cents per HP gain.... She keeps saying I though you bought this car to drive not to race and it seems like its turning into a race car. I said it can be both if I use nitrous. Off nitrous its a good street bruiser then hit the button and it turns into a bad ass 427 race car. Its really the best of both worlds. Now if I go with a bigger cam,converter and maybe gears well now its not such a great street car and more of a race car.

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

So in conclusion I dont think Im going to change anything now. Just not worth the headache,, Might be time to just save money for a couple of years and buy something to race....

Just spend the money, make it bad NA. She must have seen a nitrous explosion or something.

She gives you the greenlight on the new performance stuff, and your complaining?:rolleyes:....:D

She gives you the greenlight on the new performance stuff, and your complaining?:rolleyes:....:D


Thats not the point:noway:

uh... Kevin... you want me to bring over my nitrous tank?
You could use it to play "dentist" until she's "comfortable" enough to be agreeable to you purchasing a kit.:D





***Attention kids and mod's... The above statement was made in jest.
In no way do I advocate the use of non-medical grade nitrous oxide for use/consumption by humans. Cat's on the other hand...:p I'm kidding!:D

Another thing is...much is it nitrous $$ per pass? Then multiply it for how many passes you will do. Then decide how long the other peformance parts would last.

Nitrous might be more expensive in the long run.:yes:

Another thing is...much is it nitrous $$ per pass? Then multiply it for how many passes you will do. Then decide how long the other peformance parts would last.

Nitrous might be more expensive in the long run.:yes:

No way, not with a little shot. Now a 400-500 shot, sure. Hard on parts.

You can't beat the cost for Nitrous and that one can keep it streetable and then hit the button and beat a race only combo.

Kevin could make his motor nasty and nearly unstreetable (Is there anything un streetable?) but keep it as is and through a easy 150 shot at it and run 10.50's all day long and drive it to the track.

Or, built the big cubic inch motor with the nasty big cam and compression, then through a 150 shot at it too.

(Is there anything un streetable?)

Or, built the big cubic inch motor with the nasty big cam and compression, then through a 150 shot at it too.

Thats what I tell everyone but noooo my car is a race car not a street car:D

I do agree though the 427 then pop on the nitrous. Only bad part about that is....how long will 10.50s not be enough for you?:confused:

Here's the real question....what is the motivating factor for her forbidding the nitrous? Ask her that, and maybe you'll get your answer. Maybe she needs more information....like how you make it safer, so it doesn't blow up in the car. Do you have a nitrous book? I've read quite extensively about it(in my SA Design book), and there are a ton of different things you can do to make it safer, and there's quite a bit you NEED to do to make it work correctly, like the fuel system upgrade.

Maybe she bought you a nitrous kit for Christmas and she doesn't want you to spoil the surprise!

Maybe she bought you a nitrous kit for Christmas and she doesn't want you to spoil the surprise!



:noway: Thats not going to happen... She doesnt buy parts for my car:noway:

Thats what I tell everyone but noooo my car is a race car not a street car:D

I do agree though the 427 then pop on the nitrous. Only bad part about that is....how long will 10.50s not be enough for you?:confused:

1 time.

1 time.

Thats why you do wheelies, those never get boring.:D

I just dont get it. I tell her that if I wanted to go with a solid roller cam set up the way I want to do it with jesel shaft rockers,isky EZ rollers,cam, heavy duty push rods, converter that it would cost over 2 grand. I said it would be cheaper to put a 125-150 shot of nitrous on it for 400 bucks. She said no to the nitrous and to just spend the money.:noway: I dont freaking get it:confused: As soon as I say the word nitrous its like talking to the wall..:sad:
I have been doing the math and lets say that with the upgrades I get another 50-75 HP at the crank divide that by 2500 bucks thats 33 bucks per HP. To me thats expensive HP. Now if I buy a 4 bolt block and a stroker kit the price for the build would be around 4000 and make around 675HP so it would only cost me out of pocket now $5.90 per HP So I need to spend more money to get a lower price per HP.:noway:
Nitrous to me is a no brain-er from more HP as it works out to be .31 cents per HP gain.... She keeps saying I though you bought this car to drive not to race and it seems like its turning into a race car. I said it can be both if I use nitrous. Off nitrous its a good street bruiser then hit the button and it turns into a bad ass 427 race car. Its really the best of both worlds. Now if I go with a bigger cam,converter and maybe gears well now its not such a great street car and more of a race car.

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

So in conclusion I dont think Im going to change anything now. Just not worth the headache,, Might be time to just save money for a couple of years and buy something to race....

Your thinking is correct. You cant beat Nitrous for a street machine. Just set it up correctly and you have nothing to worry about as long as your motor has good parts in it. I purchased a Chevelle that had a 275 hp shot on a 454 HO crate motor. It had some upper end mods to it also. The guy who owned it before me was a street racer and sprayed it quite a bit. Actually he sprayed it with a 325 hit a few times he said. I probably only hit it 10 times or so. it worked flawless. I was very impressed since it was my first nitrous experience. Anyway, I sold the 454 HO to a guy a couple years later. It was still running great. He tore the motor down and said everything looked new.
So, if you go the Nitrous route, just do it right and you'll be fine. I think your Wife is thinking nitrous is only for serious race cars only and that it is a highly explosive gas, which it is not.

What a fun conversation, all my wife likes to talk about lately is wanting a kid.

If I try to talk to her about this stuff she just looks at me like I have 3 heads.

What a fun conversation, all my wife likes to talk about lately is wanting a kid.

If I try to talk to her about this stuff she just looks at me like I have 3 heads.


All ready have one of thoes:D How old are you?

33

Or as I tell my drinkin' buddies, I'm thirsty-three.

33

Or as I tell my drinkin' buddies, I'm thirsty-three.


You got lots of time. I had my son at 37:D

I just dont get it. I tell her that if I wanted to go with a solid roller cam set up the way I want to do it with jesel shaft rockers,isky EZ rollers,cam, heavy duty push rods, converter that it would cost over 2 grand. I said it would be cheaper to put a 125-150 shot of nitrous on it for 400 bucks. She said no to the nitrous and to just spend the money.:noway: I dont freaking get it:confused: As soon as I say the word nitrous its like talking to the wall..:sad:
I have been doing the math and lets say that with the upgrades I get another 50-75 HP at the crank divide that by 2500 bucks thats 33 bucks per HP. To me thats expensive HP. Now if I buy a 4 bolt block and a stroker kit the price for the build would be around 4000 and make around 675HP so it would only cost me out of pocket now $5.90 per HP So I need to spend more money to get a lower price per HP.:noway:
Nitrous to me is a no brain-er from more HP as it works out to be .31 cents per HP gain.... She keeps saying I though you bought this car to drive not to race and it seems like its turning into a race car. I said it can be both if I use nitrous. Off nitrous its a good street bruiser then hit the button and it turns into a bad ass 427 race car. Its really the best of both worlds. Now if I go with a bigger cam,converter and maybe gears well now its not such a great street car and more of a race car.

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

So in conclusion I dont think Im going to change anything now. Just not worth the headache,, Might be time to just save money for a couple of years and buy something to race....

If you can spend the money, why not just Pro Charge it and not worry about the juice? The power is there all the time and your motor should more than handle it.

If you can spend the money, why not just Pro Charge it and not worry about the juice? The power is there all the time and your motor should more than handle it.

Now were are back to the Price per HP cost. Prochargers are around 4500-5000 bucks then all the intercooler, carb , lower compression pistons ect... I would just build a 505ci that puts out 650-700HP for less than a procharger.

Good god Kevin just build the motor you want :yes:. your wife gave you the OK to get the good stuff for it anyway. Then when you are all done you will need to install a FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM you know the kind with a bottle in the trunk area for safety :D. You could even show her how you have to purge it be for you make a run to insure the SYSTEM is fully charge. REMEMBER SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT ;).

TOG

Good god Kevin just build the motor you want :yes:. your wife gave you the OK to get the good stuff for it anyway. Then when you are all done you will need to install a FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEM you know the kind with a bottle in the trunk area for safety :D. You could even show her how you have to purge it be for you make a run to insure the SYSTEM is fully charge. REMEMBER SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT ;).

TOG

Greg that is probebly the best idea I have heard in a long time:yes: Do you have an extra room just incase she finds out:D;)


Oh and she is not giving me the ok to spend our money just spend my overtime money on it..

Do you have an extra room just incase she finds out:D;)

Of course I would help a brother TCer in moment of pain caused by bad judgment :D. I have heard that there is a local TCNW guy building the Taj Mahal of shops that could probable hold all of us in are moments of poor judgment ;).

So, how much are you selling the 427 for? :D

... REMEMBER SAFETY IS NO ACCIDENT ;).

TOG

Priceless. ;)

So, how much are you selling the 427 for? :D

Not forsale. If I want to go faster than 11.5 I will save up and buy another car to race.. BTW some kid in the neiborhood has a 85? S-10 with a small block 350 in it for 1500 bucks or best offer..

So... something like this???
Except your's would be prettier.:p
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something more like this I think...
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No offense but I would rather race a straight 6 chevelle, as long as it beat george.:D

didn't you just finish the 427?
dontcha want to wear it out some before spending for a new mill?

there is probably more HP in the 427, the trick is finding it.

maybe I'm just just showing my age or my being tired of racing, after all I do have thousands of passes under my belt.




I gotta go back to bed now

How about you find out how fast it will really be with the automatic/big stall/different gears?

Lot of 1/10ths available to you in getting that suspension setup, as both Bob & Brian have shown.

haven't even made a pass yet with the current setup and you are talking about changing it all out??

How about you find out how fast it will really be with the automatic/big stall/different gears?

Lot of 1/10ths available to you in getting that suspension setup, as both Bob & Brian have shown.

haven't even made a pass yet with the current setup and you are talking about changing it all out??

Just trying to keep things exciting:D Its the thrill of the hunt, the thought of what could be, doing all the research, figuring out how much it will all cost, posting about all your brilliant ideas:D only to come to a realization that I have no money, the car really is fast enough, I have already spent way too much on the car and I just need to take a chill pill and enjoy the new combo. What would I do without all of you guys:thumbsup:

:yes::yes::D:beers:

Just trying to keep things exciting:D Its the thrill of the hunt, the thought of what could be, doing all the research, figuring out how much it will all cost, posting about all your brilliant ideas:D only to come to a realization that I have no money, the car really is fast enough, I have already spent way too much on the car and I just need to take a chill pill and enjoy the new combo. What would I do without all of you guys:thumbsup:

:yes::yes::D:beers:
Do burnouts in the Scion?:D

...to go with a solid roller cam set up the way I want to do it with jesel shaft rockers,isky EZ rollers,cam, heavy duty push rods, converter that it would cost over 2 grand.....

$2K ??? :confused:
Cost on just the Jesel rocker system AND the Isky EZ lifters will run more than that.
I know...just did a valve train "upgrade" while rebuilding the 540 last May. :(

Hey I have a great idea..... Have someone purchace it for you, and dont tell her..... It is hidden in the trunk she will never know.

You could buy a kit for the Scion... and accidently order the wrong one...:cool:
Well... since it was here I had to try it... besides... you could still use the bottle for the Scion if she found out.:p

$2K ??? :confused:
Cost on just the Jesel rocker system AND the Isky EZ lifters will run more than that.
I know...just did a valve train "upgrade" while rebuilding the 540 last May. :(

Hey Bill,

In my orignal post I said over 2 grand. The Jesel rockers I can get for 900 bucks, EZ lifters can be had for 700.... Thats 1600 plus 400 for a custom cam, push rods are 180 so 2180 for a cam upgrade with kick a$$ valve train.
I already did the research on these prices and they are real not just I think I can...:yes: Then add in a converter which if I just went with another RedNeck 4500 stall its 295 so now were are at 2475 then to take advantage I would have to go back to 4.56 gears so im in it another 450 as I know people:D So $2925 Well lets call it $3000 or a bit more cause there are alway small things you forget about like new 1/2" fuel pick up with 1/2 line to the new 172GPH fuel pump ect.....

Hey Bill,

In my orignal post I said over 2 grand. The Jesel rockers I can get for 900 bucks, EZ lifters can be had for 700.... Thats 1600 plus 400 for a custom cam, push rods are 180 so 2180 for a cam upgrade with kick a$$ valve train.
I already did the research on these prices and they are real not just I think I can...:yes: Then add in a converter which if I just went with another RedNeck 4500 stall its 295 so now were are at 2475 then to take advantage I would have to go back to 4.56 gears so im in it another 450 as I know people:D So $2925 Well lets call it $3000 or a bit more cause there are alway small things you forget about like new 1/2" fuel pick up with 1/2 line to the new 172GPH fuel pump ect.....

You forgot 450$ for new springs and retainers for the solid roller.:(

You forgot 450$ for new springs and retainers for the solid roller.:(

Yep your right:sad: Oh and what about the roll cage that will need to be in place to run faster than 11.49? Im in way over my head here right now..:yes: Need to just relax and enjoy what I have:yes:

My Jesel Comp system was $1550 and the Isky lifters w/options cost $675...on sale!
Add to that...
A new S/R custom cam @ $450
Matching springs/retainers/cups/locks @ $740
Manton pushrods came in @ $300+
Timing set was $120.
Plus, the Coan converter actually was more than the TH400 w/T-brake which was purchased at the same time. Package deal w/shipping was just north of $2400.
:wacko:

You're right though...nitrous would be "cheaper" IF you've got the components to support the hit.

Yep your right:sad: Oh and what about the roll cage that will need to be in place to run faster than 11.49? Im in way over my head here right now..:yes: Need to just relax and enjoy what I have:yes:

You know what I would do if I was you kevin, I would have the whole rollcage done and make the cross peice removable, that way you can be safe and take it out when you want to have people in the back. Then if you ever wanted to get real serious just weld the peice in.:thumbsup:

By the way, i met hopefully a new TCNW member today, and oh man did his chevelle make me want a 12point cage. Sucker looked sweeet:yes:

I wonder why he had a 12point in his chevelle?.....hmmm:D

Kevin is coming CLOSE to wargaming his combo on the threads as I did.

Squeeze it into the 10's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:yes:

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Real Men run NAWWSSS.;)

How about getting rid of the wife instead??? :D

My Jesel Comp system was $1550 and the Isky lifters w/options cost $675...on sale!
Add to that...
A new S/R custom cam @ $450
Matching springs/retainers/cups/locks @ $740
Manton pushrods came in @ $300+
Timing set was $120.
Plus, the Coan converter actually was more than the TH400 w/T-brake which was purchased at the same time. Package deal w/shipping was just north of $2400.
:wacko:

You're right though...nitrous would be "cheaper" IF you've got the components to support the hit.

I was looking at the sportsman rockers. Just a bit cheaper than the procomp set.. Hey Bill your car rocks and congrats on the new best BTW:thumbsup:

How about getting rid of the wife instead??? :D


Ha Ha ,,,really though with out her I couldnt afford what I have now :D


Plus still cheaper to keep her

:secret:Don't tell anyone but Kevin is a "KEPT" man :D.

TOG

:secret:Don't tell anyone but Kevin is a "KEPT" man :D.

TOG


I'm not ashamed to say that is almost true:D But yes I do love my wife very much and all that we have been through in the 14years of marriage I think I can respect her wishes on this one subject of nitrous but I will tell you the discussion is not over until I win:yes::hurray:

I'm not ashamed to say that is almost true:D But yes I do love my wife very much and all that we have been through in the 14years of marriage I think I can respect her wishes on this one subject of nitrous but I will tell you the discussion is not over until My Wife takes away My pants, and puts them on.:yes::hurray:

;)

;)


Nice:thumbsup:

:secret:Kevin has no pants!

TOG

:secret:Kevin has no pants!

TOG


Well that would take about a 1/2 bottle of Rip a$$:D

Nice:thumbsup:

We all know how it goes............. from time to time.:D

Was just talking about it again with her and I think by next season I will be spraying a 150 shot but need to be cool until then and stop messing with the car too much. Man it sucks the way they make you feel like your wearing the pants but your really not.:yes:

:secret:Kevin is drinking Rip A$$ and looking for a dumpster!

TOG

:secret:Kevin is drinking Rip A$$ and looking for a dumpster!

TOG


Naw just a double vodka and juice:D And looking for bed:yes:

Kevin all kidding aside, you just need to chill and work on what you have :yes:. Your wife is a great lady and is just probably trying to protect you from the bad case of speeditis you have. The N2O will come you just have to prove to her you will be safe :).

TOG

Hey Bill your car rocks and congrats on the new best BTW:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: Thanks Kevin!

Kevin all kidding aside, you just need to chill and work on what you have :yes:. Your wife is a great lady and is just probable trying to protect you from the bad case of speeditis you have. The N2O will come you just have to prove to her you will be safe :).

TOG

Actually it has nothing to do with safety at all.:noway: Or even the fact that I will be going faster. Not the place to be discussing this but I understand her point. The fact of the matter is that Im lucky to have what I have and should just get the car together and run it for awhile. Also need to spend less time on the Internet researching stuff and paying more attention to the family. Im really going to try to spend a little less time on here. Im not going to disappear or anything but lets see if I can get control of my habit (well I like to call it a hobby). Ever since I bought this car it has taken control of my life pretty much. I love working on it, trying to make it faster, upgrading ect but I really need to learn to control it and not let it control me.
I really like the friends that I have made the last couple of years and everything that I have learned. I will try to limit my time on the Internet and team chevelle. Love you guys:thumbsup: but need to restore something more important in my life....:)

Kevin

need to restore something more important in my life....

:yes: We all understand the importance of this.

TOG

Love you guys:thumbsup: but need to restore something more important in my life....:)

You bought another car?:p:D

Let's see... OCD + adrenaline junkie = Kevin!(and several others.. you know who you are... ):D:thumbsup:

Hey Kev, Family is always first, we all know that.:yes:
It's very easy to let our obsession get in the way of other responsibilities.:)

Let's see... OCD + adrenaline junkie = Kevin!(and several others.. you know who you are... ):D:thumbsup:


:(....:pout:

It's nothing to be :sad: about... :noway:
It's what makes you fast.:beers:

Kevin all kidding aside, you just need to chill and work on what you have :yes:. Your wife is a great lady and is just probably trying to protect you from the bad case of speeditis you have. The N2O will come you just have to prove to her you will be safe :).

TOG

Yep, take it easy and enjoy what you have now. Spend time with the little one and cuddle with the wife. Weather sucks right now and we don't have the ability to go play cars.

I too have to step back at times and take care of my best friend and wife. She's always there for me and the kids and with out her I'd be a wreck.

I think with what you already have in your car, I'd play with it and see what it will do.

it's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission :)

it's better to beg forgiveness than ask permission :)

Not when there's nobody to ask....

also

Tell that to the FAA, they won't think it's funny either....

Kevin...man you sound just like me. I thought I was crazy!! Its so easy to just keep wanting more and more. You have the right idea bro...take a chill pill and get your car dialed in first. But I plan to do the same thing....spray mine. Mine current set up has great street manners and works pretty good at the track. I was going to either Procharge it or go more radical heads/cam set up. But after lots of thought I am going the nitrous route.I would really like to keep the cars current manners and then spray it with a mild 100-150 shot for the track. That should get me some high 10's.

What does you car run now??

Kevin...man you sound just like me. I thought I was crazy!! Its so easy to just keep wanting more and more. You have the right idea bro...take a chill pill and get your car dialed in first. But I plan to do the same thing....spray mine. Mine current set up has great street manners and works pretty good at the track. I was going to either Procharge it or go more radical heads/cam set up. But after lots of thought I am going the nitrous route.I would really like to keep the cars current manners and then spray it with a mild 100-150 shot for the track. That should get me some high 10's.

What does you car run now??

It actually runs really good. It has great street manners, revs like a small block and pulled in an 11.9 1/4 on motor. I really have nothing to complain about. But like most you get caught up in the wana go faster and faster but it just keeps costing more and more plus the time it takes to research, then do the work. It never really ends and I have a wife that really doesnt get it so its a tough one. In her mind you fix a car and drive it until it breaks again fix it ect.. Just doesnt understand the ongoing project - hobby of the classic car.

It actually runs really good. It has great street manners, revs like a small block and pulled in an 11.9 1/4 on motor. I really have nothing to complain about. But like most you get caught up in the wana go faster and faster but it just keeps costing more and more plus the time it takes to research, then do the work. It never really ends and I have a wife that really doesnt get it so its a tough one. In her mind you fix a car and drive it until it breaks again fix it ect.. Just doesnt understand the ongoing project - hobby of the classic car.

I've seen that movie too!

I think you'll be more than happy with it N/A and some 1/4 mile passes with the new auto. Enjoy it as is for a while, as hard as it may be, you will be rewarded with some sweet times and bragging rights.

I think you'll be more than happy with it N/A and some 1/4 mile passes with the new auto. Enjoy it as is for a while, as hard as it may be, you will be rewarded with some sweet times and bragging rights.
yeah no more granny shiftin for kevin! i bet he'll pick up at least a second :hurray::p

yeah no more granny shiftin for kevin! i bet he'll pick up at least a second :hurray::p
tough crowd tonight:yes:

yeah no more granny shiftin for kevin! i bet he'll pick up at least a second :hurray::p

It just means he either got lazy or he really can't chew gum and drive at the same time.:D I haven't had an automatic in 25 years.

Either way, Kevin's car is one to stand aside for, 11 sec and still streetable.

I have a wife that really doesnt get it so its a tough one. In her mind you fix a car and drive it until it breaks again fix it ect.. Just doesnt understand the ongoing project - hobby of the classic car.

You must have the twin sister to mine :sad::yes: