Anyone going to this event?..Swap meet, Car Show and 1/8 mile and 1/4 mile racing.

I'm there. It had better not rain! :mad:

Originally posted by 10sec69:
I'm there. It had better not rain! :mad: Me too! Weather permitting...
I may have to follow the snow plow from the airport. ;)

Yeah !!! It better not Rain AGAIN !!!!! graemlins/angry.gif graemlins/angry.gif graemlins/angry.gif graemlins/angry.gif graemlins/angry.gif

Jim,

I am going to put my H-pipe on for when we go Heads UP.

Bill, That's great you can make it !!

Well, Guy's I will go but no racing for me.......There gonna start putting my finger back together Tuesday........looks like a freak holloween hand..........I still want to race Sunday before they dig in.....There's no feeling now due that all the nerves etc.... are gone........I'm going to bed...I have not slept since Wed night........ graemlins/boring.gif

I'll be there graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Originally posted by mc71454:
Jim,

I am going to put my H-pipe on for when we go Heads UP.

Huh? Something new? For little old me? Hell, I was thinking about uncorking mine just to see what happens! You already have me covered by about a tenth. I'm in it for the photo opp. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Hey Scott, sorry about the hurt paw. Have we all heard the story behind that one?

I'll be there graemlins/thumbsup.gif :cool:

First 1/4 for the old car, but ditto all above , saying a "sundance" prayer now!

Scott, that sucks. :(

I'll drive up Friday. Leaving at o-dark-thrity Sat AM wil be too "discombobulating". about a 5 1/2 hr drive.

Well guy's while finishing the install on my electic fan of course the last step is to put the battery cables back on ....Picture this......I have a large wing nut that holds all the cables on etc.....the only way to get them real snug is to put a wrench on it.....

I was going real slow to make sure that it didn't hit the rod holding the battery down....Bang my wedding ring hit the rod and the wrench was also touching the inside of my ring ...In an instant my ring was red and I couldn't get it off ...Therefore burning my finger to near the bone......I burned my other fingers trying to pull it off..... :rolleyes:

I woke my wife up and said I have a problem...She who has a rock solid belly turned pure white and sat down and said she was gonna get sick :( So....

I went to our local Hospital at 11pm and at 3am they told me I had to go to Weschester burn unit ...They were afraid I would loose my finger because there was no blood going to the good half....But before the trip they had slice my finger through the whole burn to open it so that things would get flowing.....That felt good.

I got to weschester around 6am and had to wait for hours for the burn unit (I slept for a bit )....They do there thing and tell me I have pretty much burned it to the bone and they have to rebuild it or I will loose it....However they cant do anything for a few day's because they need to put new tissue to good tissue and there isn't any and there hoping after a few days there will be......

It looks just like a fake finger that we have all seen ....just kinda stops past my knuckle....

I go Monday morning to a plastic surgeon and we will figure out the plan...Skin Graph etc.....

I am a freak when it comes to safety ...I even pit a floor jack under the car when I swap tires....It was just was of those weird things I guess......A lesson learned.....My wife and I will go and pick out a new band for me and she said from now on you will take off your wedding band when working on the car graemlins/beers.gif

I told the Doc I was going racing Sunday ...he said you better go now because when they dig in I will be in worse shape .....also not much pain now because everything is dead......My wife and I are going racing tomorrow I will let you guy's know how I do.....Thanks...Scott.

Man, that sucks! Yet another reason NOT to get married! (Too late for me though)

I'll be there also tomorrow playing crew chief on my buddy's altered. It's supposed to be a nice day. Maybe I'll see you there.

Jim....I will pit on the grass next to the staging lanes.......Come on over and say Hi....see you tomorrow........

Scott, HOLY :eek: ! hope it heals back, but it'll be a while, huh!? Man, I just can't beleive it.

Made a friday night res at the "Bates", see you guys Saturday. Don't have any ET goal, just to make a clean run. Weren't ANY impressive stick cars last year ( which is disappointing at a nostalgic event), and a few where you wondered if the owners ever drove them or ANY manual transmission car.

Be great to see you guys and that collection of 10 and NEAR 10 second cars!

I'll be up Friday night to stay at the Bates Motel and bench race :D
Cya guys on Saturday graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Any predictions Gene? You're gonna show 'em how its done, right? :D

I'm not going to be showing, working out some transmission bugs, or worse, but Gene.. I wanna know how that lil solid is gonna perform!

Matt

Now it looks like rain! :mad: :(

Jim, no predictions. Have never got a decent 60' yet, and all runs were 1/8 which aren't the best for a large port , mildly geared motor through a clutch.

I predict I'll try and shift it correctly and quickly!

50% chance of rain. :(

Does it rain there every weekend??? :mad:

Well it went from 50% chance on Sat to 30% today. I'll take 30%. See you guys there.

Lebanon Valley Weather (http://www.weather.com/weather/local/12125?lswe=12125&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared)

I'll take those odds. Figures... it was nice there last Sunday (except for the headwind). :rolleyes:

I just scored a deal on a used set of 30x9 Hoosier radial slicks. I might try 'em out instead of my old 28" MT's.

It's been three years since I've run my car. Now I'm getting all itchy to run it again! NO RAIN!!!

I'd LOVE to see that huffed mouse run!

Hey, " the trend is our friend " gentlemen, probability of rain is now down to 10%.... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I think I'll probably only make one or two runs, I don't want to miss you guys making yours!

( plus, not-for-nothing, with a 250+ mile drive home, I don't want to flog it mercilessly. )

I am so stressed about the weather !!

This will be my last race day of the season. I will be there around 7 am for the swap meet.

Any wake up call time requests? Don't ask the front desk for a wake up call I'll be sure to do a line loc burnout at the Bates Motel for those of you staying there..

Hopefully it wont rain, i'm looking forward to seeing the continual quicker ET's with your monty.
Good luck!

Hi Brian.

Thanks..Maybe not any new bests this time. hopefully I can get the H-pipe on this week and see if that makes any difference, if not at least it will be a little quieter and a little more stealth.

Over the winter I will be port matching the Victor Jr. and an RPM intake to my heads and removing the choke horn from my carb. Will be doing some testing with that next spring.

The car is doing what I designed it to do, low RPM, easy on parts, nice street manners and highway cruising, and running 10's. It has a lot more in it with some part swaps like gears and converter but that is not in the plans...as I want to keep it reliable and consistent and work on my next project that is in progress.

Tom

Sorry, Guys.
Darn, that forecast earlier in the week for rain on Saturday scared me off. I've gone ahead and made other plans. :(
Gonna do a cruise/fall foliage thing in the north GA mountains with my Corvette club. :rolleyes:
Have fun!
I'd much rather be looking at drag racin' than leaves...

Originally posted by mc71454:
Any wake up call time requests? Don't ask the front desk for a wake up call I'll be sure to do a line loc burnout at the Bates Motel for those of you staying there.. LMAO!

Well, now I think I might do the unthinkable... my buddy has offered up his enclosed trailer for me to use. This will be a nice treat... not having to swap tires at the track. graemlins/thumbsup.gif I just may uncork this thing and make some noise after all.

Originally posted by BillsCamino:
Sorry, Guys.
Darn, that forecast earlier in the week for rain on Saturday scared me off. I've gone ahead and made other plans. :(
Gonna do a cruise/fall foliage thing in the north GA mountains with my Corvette club. :rolleyes:
Have fun!
I'd much rather be looking at drag racin' than leaves... :(

You guys should take lots of pictures and post them here, so those of us who can't make it, can live vicariously thru you.

Originally posted by 10sec69:
I just may uncork this thing and make some noise after all. Oh S%$#T, I just called my freind at Cole Muffler and I will be using his lift Friday am to get that H-pipe on now..

I will bring the video camera with a tripod for Jim and my head to head pass...just have to get someone reliable to video it.

Wish ol Don lightfoot where coming for the rain date....he's a good photographer. ( and doesnt race!)

Originally posted by mc71454:
Oh S%$#T, I just called my freind at Cole Muffler and I will be using his lift Friday am to get that H-pipe on now..
You're killin' me. tongue.gif Give a guy a chance here! You BB guys are so defensive!

Tom, if I can catch up with you there, I'll do the video. I wont be going quite that early but hopefully will leave here about 8:00 or so. Actually, I should bring my own video cam....Its not digital, but I have a program in the computer so I can convert some clips. John

howcome this thread is under "performance".....you folks keeping it a secret :D

Jim....LOL

Great John!! THANKS

David..you are right...I don't know why.

I have to thank the moderators for letting this stay here in this forum..

Its where all you 10 sec boys hang out, that's why!!! Good to see temp up a smidge too. Seems like my motor is unlke most of yours, if it isnt right around 195, power is way off. Crappy heads.

I'll have to go for a long drive before I get to the track. Jim, stop by " the Bates" and do that 0600 hrs burnout!

0600 I plan to still be drooling on my pillow. graemlins/boring.gif It is Saturday after all.

Yep. Looks like its going to be a nice day. Tom, I see you picked up some fresh gumballs too! graemlins/waving.gif

I'll be there graemlins/thumbsup.gif
Tom,any chance of you coming by the Bates Motel Friday and getting together for a bite to eat?

Chris,

I will check with the "boss" :D

Looks like the weather is gonna be a graemlins/thumbsup.gif !
Have fun...wish I was there. graemlins/sad.gif

Jim,

I went on a diet and lost 7 pounds since last Friday... :D

Ha! That's gotta be good for something, right? My bag of tricks is all used up... methinks I'm going to come up about a tenth short. I'll just have to "tree" ya' instead!

It's too late for a diet... maybe I'll pound some laxitive tonight and "purge" everything I can!

(geez, I hope this lives up to the hype... :rolleyes: )

Jim,

just have to pray for adequate track prep or I'll be in the 11's

Either way we should have a blast... graemlins/beers.gif

see ya tomorrow. I plan on pitting over by the big tree on the pit side next to the staging lanes. I will be there early and will try to secure a few spaces.

Oh yeah, I couldn't get the time to put the H-pipe on, looks like winter project now...maybe I will go with an "X" now...??

That X is a scavenging sum-B. Bigley put one on and it didn't do a thing, due, I hazard a guess, to the already good scaveging by the scavenging collectors.

No bigtime partying tonight for me, I have a brutal headcold. Sucks. Hope I can extricate my cranium from my rectal ports enough to cut a decent light tomorrow. smile.gif

Cell is 716-830-0109 and I'll be leaving Buffalo soon.

Track condition could go either way. They scraped and sprayed it pretty good last Sunday and it didn't rain all week so it might be in decent shape... On the other hand, its "only" a Saturday event not a regular points day so they might not prep much. I'm with you Tom, if the track sucks, my little 9" slicks are going to take a beating.

Originally posted by 427L88:

( plus, not-for-nothing, with a 250+ mile drive home, I don't want to flog it mercilessly. ) Permission to take it easy on the drivetrain....DENIED. Drive it like you stole it. :D I want to see what another fellow 3.76" stroked, 4-speed car will do.

Originally posted by 427L88:

No bigtime partying tonight for me, I have a brutal headcold. Jim,

Gene is on the road now, but I'll be sure to bother the "you know what" out of him to flog that thing. Or i'll just volunteer to do it for him.

Originally posted by mc71454:
[QUOTE]Jim,Gene is on the road now, but I'll be sure to bother the "you know what" out of him to flog that thing. Or i'll just volunteer to do it for him. Send him to the concession stand for some food and while he is gone, make a full pass in "Old Red"

Have fun everyone......I will be thinking of you all, while I'm at work........ graemlins/angry.gif

Yeah, same here. :(

Tim.

Sorry you guys can't make it..

I owe Gene a lunch for some phenolic material he got for me, I will send him over with a $20 to get what he wants for lunch...That should be enough time to hijack his ride for a test and tune. :D

I can't believe the possibility of a "grudge match" or 3....and you Yankees are talkin bout how, "Gee, I hope the track prep is exceptionally good or I'll have a difficult time....." YADADADADADA. tongue.gif :rolleyes: smile.gif

Down South, we shut up and race against unknown foes, but against a buddy.....let the trashtalkin' begin! :D

Whatever happened to the good ole days of:

"Better grab your wood screws, cuz I'm gonna blow your doors completely off!"

On a side note, there'd better be several posts of "New Best E.T.!!!!".....or in Gene's case...."How I Flogged A 4-Speed ALL Day Long and Drove Home to Brag About It!"

Good luck to all.....but work on the trashtalkin' will ya? graemlins/beers.gif

WELL....
Inquiring minds want to know...how'd it go today???
Better than my leaf trip, I hope! :rolleyes:

Bill, I have to admit. As I was booking the motel this week, I hoped none of these "leaf lookers" was driving the rates up at the "Bates".
Ya , right.

We found the local hot spot. Shaker Silly ( and the best bartender!!! ) But were civil enough to sack out early and get to the track early.

The LVD Gang! (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/427TRI/lvdgang.jpg)

Had to have a Guiness to cure my cold you know. It Worked!


Chris, Mark and I pitted together (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/427TRI/LVDpits.jpg)

Got ABSO FRIGGIN LUTELY SPANKED by some big guy in a Bronze Bullet! smile.gif

By the time I got into the powerband, Tom was like, 6 car lengths ahead of me. graemlins/clonk.gif I ain't kidding.

HOT DANG, DID I POWERESHIFT EVERY GEAR TRYING TO GAIN ON HIM!!!!!

Gearing seems perfect, caught 4th a bit before the stripe. Had a chance to get up in the revs for some NICE top end. Fianlly with a stage loc on, I went for an easy 2500 rpm launch, with a bit of easing into it.

Way too soft! 2.30sec 60' only got that Old Red down the track in 12.7sec @117mph.

I need to launch this car MUCH MUCH harder. It seems to have an adequately tuned suspension, for now, at least to get to sub 2.0 60' fts.

Can you spell "SCATTERSHIELD"?

And the fastest Chevelle among our gang, and the car that just " does it" for me!

Jim's blown 69 ! (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/427TRI/Jim692lvd.jpg)

Jim ran a 11.07 at 123 with an engine going a bit lean and losing some cylinder pressure through the guides. If "my favorite" was running well, he would have give our King-of-the-Valley, Tom Baird, a darn good run for the money.

Bronze Bullet was on 10.85s all day. I couldn;t even get THIS CLOSE (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/427TRI/mc71454rear.jpg) to Tom's rear bumper!

And my favorite cruising car...The 12 second( almost) Clark Kent car! (http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/427TRI/CC70LVD.jpg)

Had a great time!

Originally posted by 427L88:

Way too soft! 2.30sec 60' only got that Old Red down the track in 12.7sec @117mph.
117 MPH :D :D :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif
2.30 60' :( :( :(

What rear tires were you running?

I had a great time as well..I couldn't hook up (best 60 ft. was 1.95 using Gene's 275/50 drag radials) My best run was a 13.45/101 MPH..pretty far from my 1.83 60 ft./12.99 ET but oh well..it was a beautiful day,saw some great cars in action,and hung out with some good friends graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Jim, the car is hooking well enough to allow a very aggressive powershift into 2nd, but I really have to get aggressive on the launch.

Tom should have "stole" it for a run and beat the heck out of it. With a sub 2.0 sec 60', the car has the potential to run very low 12's. Maybe even better! Nevertheless, I'm pleased with a first 1/4 time of 12.7 @117. That lil 439 is making some decent power, with marginal heads and street clearances internally.

It's a start, eh! IF the weather holds ( and it doesnt look good), I'll try another t-n-t this week and beat the heck out of 'em at the tree. Curious to see what the suspension limits are. I'll start at 4000 rpm launch.

The tech guy gave me a hard time, no loop, crappy helmet, and wrote me in as a 14.20 car. Whoops. Would have freaked them out if I brought it up to 5 on the launch and twisted that old bastid AIRBORNE!

Great time was had by all!

Oh, sorry Jim, 275/50 DR. I did not spin off the line. I ran the motor down too slow. Something tells me that if the way to launch Old Red is 4000+ rpm, then the larger 275/60s would be better for the severe hit. But for now, I need to find the limits of these short sidewall tires.

Maybe with your oval heads you can ease into it with a modest 2500 rpm launch. Seems like this one is bit different. Has to be done Ballz-out for optimal result. Stay tuned! I'd like to work it down to near 12.0. Might take a bit, and a broken part here and there. :eek: smile.gif

Oh, man. Sounds like everbody had a blast!
Sorry I missed it. Thanks for the pictures, Gene.
Tell me more about the Guinness... graemlins/beers.gif ;)

Ah, an exceptionally cute bartender! If I wasn't married, fat and balding!

'mornin fellas! Glad to see you guys made it home safely. In all, it was a pretty good day. Tom was still going rounds when I left. Hopefully he'll post soon with some results.

Well Gene, you definitely sugar-coated my day because that was pretty much the worst day for my car I've had yet. First, I couldn't get in the same class that the rest of you were in (DOT) because I was running slicks. So no photo opp/grudge race with Tom. graemlins/clonk.gif Then starts my mystery oil leak/smoke which I think now is starting to come from a couple of shot valve seals or guides. Lastly, I had the car set up waaaay too lean and on the first pass I melted the straps off of 4 plugs before I even got to the 1/8 mile. I coasted through to an 11.40 at 99 MPH - smoking heavy most of the way down. My used slick experiment also bit me as I spun hard coming off the line. Oh well.

I thought some of the oil might be coming from a valve cover so I decided to patch it up and try for another pass. I took two pounds of air out of the slicks, poured in the rest of my gas for weight, put in 8 new plugs, took a little timing out, and richened the jetting. I spun even worse this time (a 1.67 60', graemlins/sad.gif ) and fogged in the starting line again with oil smoke. Once it hooked it felt pretty good so I stayed in it and mustered an 11.03 at 123 MPH. I knew that was it for me and sure enough I got the "park it, kid" sign from the top end official. No eliminations for me. On the plus side, it doesn't seem like I hurt it on that first pass so I'm happy about that. In all, a good day... great to see you guys again... but I definitely have some work to do.

Originally posted by BillsCamino:
Thanks for the pictures, Gene..hey,whatta bout me? ;) smile.gif

Had a great time for sure..Gene's car is pretty damn cool..gotta be the highest MPH 12.7 second run I've ever seen graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Great time for me too! Unfortunately an "oil down" really ruined the day for competition... This guy blow's his rear at the starting line must have cracked the case, and with the officials trying to stop him he runs it down the middle of the whole D@M track to a 20+ second run and coats it with gear oil the whole way right in the middle. This was in a $35k + '68 Z28/RS Mint Camaro no less!!! graemlins/clonk.gif graemlins/clonk.gif graemlins/clonk.gif graemlins/angry.gif graemlins/angry.gif .
That delayed us at least an hour and maybe it was two :mad: :mad:

Since the dew got so bad, they had to call the races and give the trophies to the car with the best package. Ran a 10.82 previous but by this time I was dialing a 10.99 to account for tire spin with the dew on the track when it would have run in the 10.70's....gotta love the Northeast US.

I have a great video of Jim, Chris, and Gene and me going head to head. Have to do some family stuff today..but will try and get the videos up by tonight.

great seeing and racing with friends, got some killer deals at the swap meet, and I got asked if I ran nitrous. graemlins/clonk.gif

Originally posted by mc71454:
Great time for me too! Unfortunately an "oil down" really ruined the day for competition... This guy blow's his rear at the starting line must have cracked the case, and with the officials trying to stop him he runs it down the middle of the whole D@M track to a 20+ second run and coats it with gear oil the whole way right in the middle. This was in a $35k + '68 Z28/RS Mint Camaro no less!!! I saw this race, you guys would not have believed it! There were actually two of these nicely restored Camaros and it was obvious neither driver had raced before. Both did pro stock style burnouts past the starting line (with their street tires mind you :rolleyes: ) and had to back up to get behind the line. Just like a flashback to Toad from American Graffiti, when the light turned green one car lurched forward and the other lurched back! That's right ladies and gentlemen, this guy dumped the clutch while still in reverse! graemlins/clonk.gif

Luckily, he quickly figued out that he was headed in the wrong direction and got right out of it. His friend wasn't so observent. At the hit of the throttle it was obvious he had destoyed the rearend as the car moved about a foot and stopped. Right about the time the starter saw the growing puddle of gear lube under the car and was walking over to the driver to signal him to shut it off, this numbnut revs it up and tries to launch again. He did this three more times before he apparently caught a tooth on the ring gear and started to take off. By this time the starter was in full stride, waving his arms, trying to get the driver's attention. Nope. This guy popped and banged it the whole 1/4 mile. Unreal.

Sorry to hear you got cut short Tom. You were making effortlessly perfect runs all day. Your car is so cool to watch... no fuss, no wasted motion, it just squirts off the line and glides down the track. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Are you really going to post a video of my "smoke show"? Who wants to see THAT? :D

Jim,

Thanks, I was VERY dissapointed because it was running the numbers all day. The new cold air induction system has worked pefect so far for consistency, no conclusive gain in ET or mph unfortunately, but it runs within a few hundreths with the change in the weather and is very predictable.

I won't post the video if you don't want me too, maybe just the burnout? Your call of course..but I will E-mail it to you in it's entirety.
;)

Ha ha. I don't care, go ahead... Everybody breaks stuff I guess. I am curious to see how it launched. It felt good until it fell on it's face.

Jim,you described the incident with those 2 clowns pretty well..I couldn't believe my eyes when I watched that happen..I hope somebody broke their balls..unbelievable! :mad: graemlins/sad.gif

Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
Had a great time for sure..Gene's car is pretty damn cool..gotta be the highest MPH 12.7 second run I've ever seen graemlins/thumbsup.gif Bro', all I'll add is twofold, 1.) the real fun of that Old Red Car is the 'joyrides', i.e. grabbin' a real hard 2nd and squirrlying the arse a bit, and then shooting straight like an arrow!...you know what I mean **( check the post script )and 2.) sort of had this intuitive thought that my real goal with Old Red is an even 120mph in the 1/4!

mc 71454, how does the short time effect trap speeds? I'd guess it's not a high correlation, but still linearly correlated. Or is it?

p.s. Chris had a thought of checking WOT's the night before. Thank God. His was perfect. Mine, on the other hand, was showing , maybe, 1/3 of the secondaries. Maybe 650 cfm in all. There's a rod that needs more threading to shorten, but he and I got it to about 2/3 open, maybe 780-810 cfm?? ( lil' rat needs 830 cfm, by my reckoning anyway). Might have some of the 120 mph right there. ;) At any rate, we had to go out and check WOT operation after the adjustment. :D One of my favorite things to do.

ALSO, that lead us to another one of my favorite things to do. Stop in at a local watering hole, that's mildly rocking, and get served a thrist quenching Guiness by a gal that was most assuredly a devilish angel. Yum yum, love that...!

Originally posted by 427L88:
[QUOTE]
mc 71454, how does the short time effect trap speeds? I'd guess it's not a high correlation. Or is it? Gene, FWIW,.....caveat.....In the rare instance when I pull a 2.0x 60' time compared to the 1.7x 60' time, my MPH is usually with .5 range of best case to worst case. It's the ET that suffers with my car when I happen to spin. So you used BFG CompTA drag radials? What was the tire pressure and did you use a line-loc to heat them well?

Jim, the line loc acts ONLY as a stage-loc. With the drums and DOT5 ( and maybe another reason?), it won't hold a burn out. Chris and I checked that too. It just feels like you're towing something, but you're moving alright. After being chased out of the local elementary school parking lot while using the line lock, I turned the car around on an inclined driveway, and it holds the car from rolling onan incline.

So it's jsut a stage-loc. Plus the few times I got it to burn out, the car got all out of line twisting to one side. At rest, it'll fry 'em "on a string", perfectly straight. It will hold the car a bit if you drop hard against it ( 4K+ ), but its ugly.

Went throught the water ( didnt spin in it) and drops the clutch aggresively ( 5k) to smoke 'em a bit. It moves out right away, so duration is only 3 secs? Started going through the water only because dry, it would only burn out for less than 3 secs.

My first launch procedure lesson from local practice. Now it's all in drop rpm. I can't feather this dang trips. It's gotta come on all at once.

Anyone have any thoughts on a quick disconnect tach, even if its like some industrial one jsut showing rpm X100 on a LED readout, but is small and easly affixed, please do share!

I'm incented now. Man , the humility of that ' bronze blur! flying by you as your just getting :rolleyes: the motor back up to rpm, sheesh!

Jim,tire pressure was 15 psi and yes,they where BFG drag radials..275/50/15's
Gene,got any pics to send me? smile.gif
Ditto on what Jim said about 60 ft. vs. MPH

Yeah, next time to 22 psi. Start there.

Originally posted by 427L88:
Yeah, next time to 22 psi. Start there. I usually run 20 psi in my drag radials..when I cut a 1.83,I had 20 in there.
When I used yours,I should have went over to the "air station" and pumped them up to 20..oh well graemlins/clonk.gif
ET streets or Hoosier QT's for me next year

Chris,

watching your video, I said to myself "not enough air in dem tires" based on how the tire is rolling. You'll see when I get them configured to digital later today.

Gene,

Jim is correct about .5 mph difference for me too when 60 ft goes away.

Also: Gene you are in our video a little more than I thought, if you count the Burnout :D

I have to hand it to you stick racers..sure seems tough and takes a lot of practice.

Originally posted by mc71454:
Great time for me too! great seeing and racing with friends, got some killer deals at the swap meet, and I got asked if I ran nitrous. graemlins/clonk.gif Now that Tom, is one heckuva compliment!

Tom, you might want to start a new thread for the vids, this one is getting long! Or not.

And hey, a favor. Can't find my timeslip. Could you please post it, along with yours if you want everyone to be witness to the ass whoopin' I took. :eek:

The payback for the phenolic, a request to publicly embarass me. graemlins/clonk.gif

smile.gif Seriously, mine is misplaced/lost, I need the record if you'd be so kind.

Gene...damn...117MPH??? Who cares about ET, I just want to stand down by he finish line and see you go by!

Sure hope Mr. Baird kept his timeslip ( I assume he keeps all data but may have logged it and chucked the slip ), I would like to see the incrementals.

Can't beleive I didn't secure that in the glovebox. graemlins/clonk.gif

Mike, Old Red and I tried, with futility, to gain on that bronze Monte, so I kept the pedal pinned hard to the boards and kept rowin'!

Blame Tom for the 117!

Gene, I wanted to buy ya Lunch, going to have to owe ya one. But I do have the timeslip and will post it up as an edit to the post with the videos.

Here are some clips from Saturday.

http://www.boomspeed.com/mc71454/Chris_October11_2003.wmv

http://www.boomspeed.com/mc71454/Jim_October11_2003.wmv

http://www.boomspeed.com/mc71454/Gene_Tom_October11_03.wmv

THNX Tom, feel a bit foolish losing that timeslip. And a bit embarrassed at seeing that video.

Tom, thanks for posting the videos. I didn't get to see your run with Gene (was trashing on my car!). graemlins/thumbsup.gif

My run didn't look as bad as I thought it would. :rolleyes: But what's with my front end bouncing up against the stops?

Thanks again!

Timeslip for Gene and my race.

RT -- .848
60 -- 2.396
330 -- 5.847
1/8 --- 8.539
1/8 --- 92.84
1000 --10.822
1/4 -- 12.742
1/4 -- 117.63

RT - - .512
60 -- 1.547
330 -- - 4.440
1/8 - 6.904
1/8 -- - 99.68
1000 - - 9.040
1/4 - 10.848
1/4 --- 124.49

Jim,
anytime...
I will look at the higher resolution video and see if I can tell. First look seems like you need to be stiffer in the rear (oh no..that didn't come out right) and have more rebound control in the front. I'll look at it closer tonight when I get home

Great. Yeah, it felt wierd on that first launch (aside from everything else that went wrong). It almost felt like the tires were balling up and running over themselves, very bouncy but not really wheel hop/not really spinning. It looks like I'm getting decent separation (inti-squat) in the rear. It still went 1.60 in 60'on that run. I'm wondering if this can also be attributed to those used slicks since I've made no other changes to the suspension other than the air bags. I had 20 lbs in the right and none int the left. I could put a little more in each to stiffen it up. Thanks again.

i don't want to start any hot debates here, but Gene's mph is screaming. My engine made 550hp on the dyno, but only mustered a 113.8 in the 1/4 on a 1.85 60' (4020lb). Gene whats your car weigh? and how much grunt do you think that 427 is making!? Do those mph-weight calcs work?
Also, and the debate-possible part is, does a quicker 60' bog down the engine so that the mph drops off at the end, and a spinny or building up longer 60' increase it?
I just think that 117 is really stellar performance for such a relatively mild combo. good job !

matt

Matt, keep in mind that I had no stated goals when I put this buggy together, er, well one, to build it in 1971 specs ( long story). I did try and use every mechanical advantage I could to put together a nice combo and compensate for the large heads/intake. There was no disernible spin off the line, I simply left way too easy and brought the piston speed down too much. Hard shifted every gear and it jumped every time.No spinning.

I'm not hung up on the HP cal'cs. This car can't be light, and I weight 254. But you figure the old L88 made 560 bhp by some accounts. Now this one isnt 12:1, and doesnt have a 334 seat duration cam, but we tried to use modern "smaller but better" parts where applicable. Except the exhaust where a big 3.5" X 3" xpipe tries to mimic open headers.

But it's HP is not a relevant number to me. I tell folks it does what the sticker on the air cleaner says, 435HP. I don't mention that its REAR WHEEL! I've never had a trap spped to do the calc'cs. If we assume a very conservative weight , say 3850 lbs, what does that translate to?

It does open some questions that I'll never resolve. What would ovals do, is the exhaust too big?? Who knows. The 049s are NOT going on this motor unless the big 325cc 074s break again. In fact, this motor isnt being touched. It runs too damn good.

To drive 5 hours @ 75 mph each way, and lay down a 117 mph makes me very happy! Think I did a decent job as an amatuer builder. Point is, I love this Old Red car, and that's NOT open to debate!!! :cool:

with that trap speed you should be running in the mid 11's. thats if you drove it like you stole it. awesome good luck mike

Gene, not to take anything away from your car, it runs awesome, but...
You guys gotta remember...all other things equal...a manual tranny car's MPH is always higher than a less efficient automatic.

Correct, so Matt, the 4 mph might be all right there. Plus, I beleive your car might be a smidge heavier than mine. I'll weigh mine someday. Maybe. tongue.gif

Are you using a UD cam? What specs? What RPM were you shifting at on the 117 pass?

Originally posted by MadMarv:
Do those mph-weight calcs work?In a word, no. According to the calculators on prestage (http://www.prestage.com/Car+Math/default.aspx) my car is making:

Using the ET and weight method (10.81/3,680lbs) it shows 576RWHP

Using the MPH and weight method (124.29/3,680lbs) it shows 548RWHP

I have actually chassis dynoed this car before and the best it made was 463RWHP. Since that time I've converted to an electric fan/water pump, so maybe freed up a few ponies. I've also resolved a very small fuel delivery problem. I think my car makes right at 500RWHP now, and even that may be optimistic.

The dyno number are a good tuning instrument, assuming your making changes between pulls on the same day. However they're not good for much else IMHO.]

Gene,

Congratulations on your 1/4 pass. I for one am glad you finally took it to the strip to see what it would do. Get you 60' times down to the sub 1.8x range and I believe you have a 11.99 pass in it.

That's nice Gene for a car you drive. In my experience if you stuck an auto in there you'd probably lose a solid 3 mph if not possibly 4 (but you'd run easy 11's then smile.gif ). I'd guess you are making around 400-410 at the wheels if you are 3600-3650 lbs.

You're really pulling hard in the last 1/8th.

When I run 120 MPH on the spray with a T400 and loose converter I'm putting down about 420 at the wheels at 3550 lbs.

Aw Kenny, it was fun. Just that I know to lay down the kind of time you're talking, which would be a goal, I'll really have to beat up the clutch/flywheel/crank etc, etc with some hard launches, which the suspension might or might not handle. You know what I mean!

And this Old Red car will NEVER have an auto in it. Just its not a drag car, it's a "nostalgic" fun car, multi-purpose.

I'll work down to sub-2s the hard way, and hope it all stays together, for those long, enjoyable cruises home.

It is fun. And I have to tell you, it's fun really 'airing' out the car, i.e., powershifting 4th and keeping the hammer down for a bit, in a controlled situation. Really enjoyable!

Doug, Tom said the mph would indicate 11.7, but that isn't going to happen with this setup, and that's fine by me.

Shift rpm?? Uh, just before it hits the rev limiter. Seriously, still running with a useless blinker tach, that is inaccurate AND unable to be seen through the arm I'm steering with, which is where its located. I told Chris ( mr 4 speed)I'd try and remember to check rpms through the traps, but no way. Can't see it. Ain't jerking my arm around , or taking my eyes off the track at 120mph to glance. Been shifting by ear, again , just prior to the rev limiter. I think in one gear it hit the 7K chip during the shift. SO 6700-6800-ish?

Hey, its a retro resto, not a race car!

Do have to figure out a neat 'quick disconnect' tach. thinking digital industrial type. Small, plastic box, not traditional.

Gene,

Just so we are clear, I like your car alot an I didn't mean a negative post. I've always wanted a resto 67 or 69 to dump all my parts into and make the LS5 454 legit again.. I've always wanted a 4spd bruiser.. but I'm very young, so, maybe I have time..
Just congrats on the 117 (!)

matt

Matt, I did not perceive your post as negative at all. No sweat. Plus, I'm thick skinned and most importantly, Old Red has performed above all my expectations, so negative critism is quite irrelevant to me. The car is a blast! Now, if you said you didn't like the 71/72 SS rims, well, that I'd accept as valid, neither do I! Rallies and redlines are in the future at some point.

But I think I proved my point that IF GM had produced the L67 option in 1967 ( A 435HP427 in a Chevelle), it would have been on par with the Hemis, and King of the Streets!

Thanks to all, including Matt, for your kind words, the old red bastid appreciates them! But really, the car that gets my vote, is Jim's 69. Man, something about a blown 69 is just too cool. ( Which is why we ALWAYS have one on our CanAm Show t-shirts!)

And mr.4 speed's "Clark Kent" 70, is truly a dream. Drives just as smooth as a Cadillac, but HONKS down the 1320.

And then there's Tom. Sure not a Chevelle, but when you define "Street/Strip", mc71454 is the king of street/strip around here IMHO. His car idles relatively smooth, he drives it a ways to the track, bolts on slicks, and runs 10.8s with consistentcy measured in hundreths. I mean, Holy Cow Batman, thats a true street/strip ride! Unerring consistency, and drives on the highway for as long as your Mobil card alows!

Hope we can get a few more TC guys there next time! It's a blast boys!

EDIT: added 10/18/03 0024 hrs.

Well the WOT thing and some good night air netted..

R/T .661, 2.145 60', 5.467 330', 8.104 1/8, 93.75 mph, 10.363 1000', 12.264 1/4 @ 118.74.

Right off the highway, just stoped long enough to swap tires, then 'hotlapping myself....

R/T .771, 2.075 60' ( raised rpms a bit but lost concentration), 5.404, 8.082 1/8, 93.23, 10.358 1000' 12.272 1/4 @ 117.81.

Pretty happy. Hotlapped again, and really lost more concentration and had a bad 60' and eased off the run, pulled back into the staging lanes, and after the fast cars ran, went back , nice launch, swiiiiiiiiiinged 2nd gear, again, was thinking too much. Ask mr.4 speed, my 1/2 shift is flawless. In this case my arm went way faster than my clutch leg!

Good stuff though. I'm hooked. Too close to my goal of driving XXX miles, running an 11.99, getting booted for no cage, and driving xxx miles home. My version of "Two Lane Blacktop", and I hit my 2lane numbers tonight, 12.20!

graemlins/thumbsup.gif :cool:
Awesome Gene....I got your message tonight,and I was smiling ear to ear..this
graemlins/beers.gif deserves a new post..

Shhhhhh 11.99 deserves a new one. I was hding it back here as an edit and maybe ask Tom to look at the incrementals and make an analysis. Never got to the big 4500+ rpm clutch drop, as the 60' attest, and I swear I felt the rear ujoint vibrate on the way home when I put power through it. I know what that means.

Anyway, I'm taking your advice my friend, ain't touching a thing. Out of wrench. Next season will start with a good goal. It needs a good going over, lash, ujoint check etc.

Almost took 509Camaro.( 11.88) man, he thought I had. You should have seen his face when he pulled up to me! :eek: Priceless. His old motor with a new cam no less! I out mph'd him every run, and he's lighter. He be calling Harold soon!

Originally posted by 427L88:
Shhhhhh 11.99 deserves a new oneAnytime someone knocks a half second off their ET deserves mucho congrats!!! smile.gif
..I'm still smiling!

Nice times. I can tell you are hooked now! :D I wonder if there is a solid in MY future? ;) Hey Gene, what rear gears are you runnin and what size tire at the track? What are the RPMS you are crossing the line at?

Wow, congrats graemlins/thumbsup.gif Are you saying that mc71454 (Tom) drives that baby to the track and even on the highway? Holy crap,you fellas have some awesome rides there. Wish I lived closer just maybe you boys would take this ole fella for a lil ride(of my life) maybe. Way to go all you boys, great cars graemlins/beers.gif

Jerry

Gene, Thanks for the compliment. I don't know about the king of street strip but it's a nice ride down the track.

Nice new runs..get that big clutch drop and an 11.90 is easy as pie.

Jerry, Yes I drive it to work, Home Depot, 100 miles each way to my parents house down state and I take my oldest son to soccer practice too. With the 3.42 gears it's not that bad.

THAT'S SO WICKED! :cool:

Tom, actually if you have a chance, ol 509Camaro is pretty disappointed with his time. He's running 3.73s 28" BFG DRs and a modest 2800 stall behind a 310ccDart headed 509, Crane SR236. Where should cars running 116-117 mph ET? Is his stall too light? He cant flip the 3X2 open too quickly or he'll smoke them. He has almost too much front end lift on takeoff even though its stock type springs and Koni's.

I'm running 25.5X9" BFG DRs, with 15-16 psi for now. I have NO IDEA where she's taching because I can't see he durn thang ( 67 blinker), but it must be mid-low 6000s judging by ear. I'm totally driving/shifting by ear.

And Tom, HAVE NO DOUBT, taking kids to soccer pratice on occasion TRULY defines street/strip,and brother, YOU'RE THE KING!

"Nice new runs..get that big clutch drop and an 11.90 is easy as pie."

.....would be truly pleased with that in my stick car.

Nice car Gene, graemlins/thumbsup.gif yours was my favorite car there....

, john

Man, this post just keep on kicking! :D

Gene and Jerry, thanks for the compliments. I know I'm in the minority with all of you big block guys running around here so the graemlins/thumbsup.gif is always appreciated. Like Tom, the goal for my car was to be able to drive it anywhere on 93 octane and knock down some consistent, respectable times. Different recipe, similar results. The trailer was an absolute luxury for me this time out. I usually drive it the hour+ trip to the track.

I'd say there are no slackers in our little TC bunch over this way! graemlins/beers.gif

Next year... In-car camera! Jerry, how 'bout a "virtual" blast? There's just no describing the in-car sound of a blown car going through the traps.

Gene-- great new times! I had the car out today, this weather made it seem like a rocketship! Someone said the tires went up in smoke so easy because of the "cold pavement" but..
One of these days would you mind giving us (or a link if you already did) a more detailed notation of the combo?

matt

That's awesome. Hope you bring it to Nashville next year, I want to see it run.

We're working on that Mike. Especially with the new drag night. But I have a embyonic consultancy growing, in addition to my regular business, and then the CanAm show to organize. Plate seems a bit full, but CB has always been 'radical decompression' for me. So I'll try.

Anyway, seems like the car will run decent times without beating the tar out of it at launch, i.e., 2.0-2.15 60'. So I don't mind racing 760 miles from home. :eek:

Using a calculator, estimate I'm crossing the stripe at 6600 rpm. PERFECT!

Please keep in kind that although not a racer, I did "plug and chug" a bunch of numbers to get this combination together, as well as qualitiative advice on parts combinations.

No big shakes though, lots of 12/11 second cars that are driven all over hell and creation.

Although ACES1 CLEARLY thinks I'm nuts. :cool:

I'm having too much fun to notice.

I think you're selling yourself short Gene...there's lots of guys that CLAIM to have street cars that go 12's, or 11's, or even faster, but being able to make it hundreds of miles, race, and go back home with no trailer...heck, that's not even easy with a 13 sec car. What you are doing with your car is truly amazing. And doing it all with the ultra-cool tripower, when most racers will tell you to ditch it and go with a monster single 4bbl...Congrats!

Congrats Gene on the times. I'm really (pleasantly) surprised at the 117 mph top end charge. That "little" 427 is really cranking out some HP. 11's are just a few 60 ft tweaks away.

Mike and Von said every thing I wanted to say
graemlins/thumbsup.gif :cool: