: New Heads for my 377...
SSchevy400 Nov 11th, 04, 5:07 PM So, i'm breaking down and buying new heads for my small block.
Its a 400 block .060 over
350 crank. Yields 383 cubes
13.8:1 pistons
Comp Cams tight lash series
288 adv, 259@.50 530/550 lift ground on a 106
weiand Team G intake...switching to a holley strip dominator.
800 holley double pumper
th350 with am ati 5000 stall
12 bolt with 4.56's
I'm leaning toward brodix 200cc Race Rites for the higher rpm use of them.
Anyone else wanna chime in on what they think?
Thanks Ed
Nickel333 Nov 11th, 04, 6:05 PM -I run the RR200's on my 11.1:1 350 and i run a massive cam 268/278 @ .050 {till i swap this winter to somthing much more tailored to my combo} Anyways it seems like this cam wants to go 7,800+ and at the strip i ran my best time shifting @ 7,000. In theory i think its because the heads dont like super high RPM 7,200 + , i think theyll handle more RPM than your regular 200 cc heads but they are still a 200 CC, you cant shove much more than 10 gallons of **** in a 10 gallon bucket ya know.
-There are some other reasons the motor may not have wanted to dance as high as i thought it would, like my valve lash was loose at least .015 on all rocker arms!!!! And i still rowed gears to an 11.88 my 3rd time out graemlins/hurray.gif , then i broke my rear end on my next launch graemlins/angry.gif The heads definately make good power for my f'd up mis matched combo to run in the 11's on 89 octane ya know.
I wish i could have gotten a real well tuned, clean run in this year so i could guide you a little more on them but breakage prevented that. Sorry man. I would suggest calling Brodix and talking to them, they are good to deal with.
-What kind of RPM are you going to be turning? If its only 7,000 or so i dont think you can beat them, but you start getting much past there and its time to look at some track 1's or somthing.
SSchevy400 Nov 11th, 04, 6:12 PM I talked to comp and asked them about my cam, they say my cam is good from 4,000-7400. The heads i have now are stockers that are ported and i think they are dieing out in my power band. i shift around 7000 in 1st and 7200-7300 in 3nd. Would thay be too much for the 200rr's?
Wolfplace Nov 12th, 04, 12:22 AM Ed,
The Brodix RR is an excellent head but it is not was not designed as a high RPM race head rather a performance street head.
I think the Track one or better the M2 Track one for you application would be a better head.
Also, the AFR 210 would be an excellent piece for a higher RPM 377 with your compression.
I don't recognize that cam but I don't believe Comp has a .530 tight lash lobe that is 288??
They do have a .550 lobe at 288 though.
Also, I think that cam would be a little small for your compression, stall & anything over 7000 RPM.
If you email me I can probably save you a few dollars on any of the AFR or Brodix heads ;)
Eric68 Nov 12th, 04, 1:22 PM I agree with Wolfplace -- with that much compression you can definately use more than a 200cc runner. 210-220 would be about right IMO.
greg_moreira Nov 14th, 04, 2:49 AM For the price I would take an afr 210cc head over the Brodix. Another option that is suitable is a dart pro 1 215cc head. Although they dont flow quite what an AFR does, they do have some very strong sides. Take a look at this chart for example. ITs from the book, how to build big inch small block chevies, and it contains comon cross sectional port sizes of different heads
(measured at the smallest part of the ports)
...........................sq inches........port cc
edelbrock performer rpm ....1.43.............170
vortec......................1.66.............170
tfs195......................1.93.............195
afr 180.....................1.93.............180
afr 195.....................1.98.............195
afr 210.....................2.05.............210
dart pro 200................2.06.............200
dart pro 215................2.14.............215
Like I said, the actual flow numbers of the dart arent quite as impressive cause of the full CNC job the afr head gets, but looking at those numbers, the shape of the port in the dart head has less of a physical restriction and with some hand work, they can move a ton of air. Another good thing is that the darts actually use a stiffer aluminum alloy(355T6) in their cylinder heads than the AFR, and that may actually be good insurance with the high compression numbers. If you have the cash, check out all pro cylinder heads. They are darn expensive, but when they say they are the best flowing heads you can get, they mean it. There is a guy on chevytalk who swears buy em, and he is running them on top of a low 11 second 125 mile per hour small block(without traction) in a 3400 lb car and getting 17MPG on street gas. I checked into em more after hearing some talk and cant find anything but good words. Getting back to the dart Vs AFR thing, if you want a head to run out of the box, the AFR wins, but the dart heads can be worked to flow better and support a higher rpm. Could you provide a part number for that cam and Ill take a look at it on comps site? I might rethink things a little depending on what all the specs look like.
bigjimzlll Nov 14th, 04, 10:59 AM I would take advantage of the compression and run a much larger cam..and a head atleast 215cc(with good valve train)
SSchevy400 Nov 14th, 04, 1:35 PM I can't get any more cam into the motor w/o flycutting the pistons...and i'm not tearing anything appart to do that. I'm just going to work with what i have. i'm looking for my cam card now to verify it.
Ed
ported 200cc e-tecs are an option.
they're raised runner heads and have modern combustion chambers. buy em bare and have a good machine shop set them up for you.
personally I vote for the m2 cnc brodix track1s or ported e-tecs.
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