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: New Confusion on 66&67 Shifter Handles


james a larson
Oct 7th, 08, 3:24 PM
Think someone sold me an incorrect shifter handle. So I have a few more questions.

1st: does the 64-66 bucket seat handle have any other curve in the handle except the minor curve near the bottom? Like a slight curve toward the passenger side when mounted?

2nd: Were there possible two different bucket seat handles in 67? One with buckets and console and one with just buckets and no console. One of my parts book seems to indicate such. Numbers 3903079 buckets only and 3917764 buckets and console.

I believe I was just sold a Impala handle, which looks like the 67 handle except it has a little more curve.

I have attach two photo's: one showing the handle by itself and one next to what I think is a correct 67 handle mounted in the car. Any comments? Thanks.

1966_L78
Oct 7th, 08, 4:11 PM
1st: does the 64-66 bucket seat handle have any other curve in the handle except the minor curve near the bottom? Like a slight curve toward the passenger side when mounted? I presume you mean the "console" version. I recall these having an extra bend/twist to the side (been a while though).

2nd: Were there possible two different bucket seat handles in 67? One with buckets and console and one with just buckets and no console.

Not sure on '67, but I know there were two different handles for buckets in '66... Console and non-console handles (same as bench handle). I recall hearing some non-console buckets came with "console" handles too...

floyd66
Oct 7th, 08, 11:25 PM
(4 speed) There were only two style handles for 66; Bench and Bucket. Whether it had a console or not didn't matter. The console did factor into the shifter knob, console had chrome ball, without console had white ball with shift pattern.

(pic 1)
64 67 bench
64-66 bucket (two small bends)
67 bucket

(pic 2)
difference between 65-66 Impala bucket and 67 Chevelle bucket

There are a couple more shifters that look similar to add to the confusion, Skylark shifter, Nova shifter and 67 Nova shifter. Impala has a few different versions too.

james a larson
Oct 8th, 08, 12:22 PM
Thanks Tom, Now I just need to get the correct 66 shifter handle.

1966_L78
Oct 8th, 08, 1:11 PM
(4 speed) There were only two style handles for 66; Bench and Bucket. Whether it had a console or not didn't matter. The console did factor into the shifter knob, console had chrome ball, console had white ball with shift pattern.
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I disagree... I have seen at least 2 original owner, original shifter bucket, non-console 4-speed cars (one Malibu, one SS) that had the "bench" seat handle... I have heard of non-console cars also using the "console" handle, but I have never seen one that was known to be original...

Pretty sure even the AIM notes this as well; the D55 console is what "required" the shift handle change...

Perhaps different assembly plants did things differently... In 25+ years of playing exclusively with '66 Chevelles, EVERY car I had, and most I looked at were built in Fremont (probably because I live in California)...

james a larson
Oct 8th, 08, 4:07 PM
I guess anything could have happened; but parts book indicates two shifter handles in 66, one for bench seat and one for buckets with or without console. Shift handle probably bolted to shifter assembly after it was in the car, so on a bucket non console car either style would have fit nicely. Maybe just want the assembly line worker felt like and a few beers the night before.

On the 67 3 different part #'s according to my book. One for Bench. One for Buckets and console. And one for Buckets without console.

I am assuming that since there were two different part numbers for buckets, there may have been two shifters, maybe with just a little differnce. Just like in 67 two different part numbers for the outside mirror. Almost identical mirrors except for one thing.

AZCamino
Oct 8th, 08, 6:22 PM
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james a larson
Oct 8th, 08, 7:08 PM
It appear to me the knob and shift lever are independent.

66 white knob 3857524
66 chrome knob 3845895

66 bench lever 3853134
66 bucket seat lever 3853137

two different lever #'s independent of knob.

67 white knob 3857524 the same as 66
67 chrome knob 3845895 the same as 66

67 bench seat lever, 3903077, different than 66
67 bucket seat lever, no console, 3930379, Different than 66
67 bucket seat lever, with console, 3917764.

This information if from my 66 AIM and a parts book. I wonder what the 67 AIM says. Anyone have that information. Thanks.

SebJr
Oct 8th, 08, 7:54 PM
Why do you guys always leave out the 3 speed benchseat shifter with the plain black knob.... like it's the redheaded step child of 66 SS's :D

http://www.chevelles.com/showroom/data/500/medium/EBay_3_speed.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

I shouldn't be using that term considering my wife and oldest son are redheads;):)

james a larson
Oct 8th, 08, 9:13 PM
Sorry about that Seb. Knob 384377, thats the # from my AIM; is it correct. And it has the shift lever as 384346, again from the AIM. Was the 66 SS the first year a 3 sp was available on the floor?

AZCamino
Oct 8th, 08, 9:38 PM
I deleted my message above after taking another look at my AIM and parts book. Jim is correct the AIM shows two knobs independent of the levers. My late 65 (for model year 66 and earlier) also reads as if the levers were for bucket seats or except bucket seats, but that appears contrary to observations of original cars where it appears that shifters were "console" or "no console".

Hey Seb, don't feel left out! My parts book shows the HD 3spd b.s lever and the (exc. b.s.) lever for the HD 3spd as well as the two different knobs.

There is some confusion after studying the the two lever part numbers in the AIM and comparing them to the part numbers in the parts book.
AIM shows:
3853134 LEVER ASM (EXC 13817-867)
3853137 (13817-867)

Parts book shows:
64-66 CHEVY, CHEVELLE w/4spd. (exc. bucket seats) 3853134
64-65 Malibu (SS) w/4spd., 65-66 El Camino 4spd (w/B.S.), 66 Chevelle (ss) w/4spd 3853137
64-66 Malibu (SS), (El Camino w/bucket seats) w/4spd 3853138

This creates some confusion, especially for me with my 66 bucket seat, no console El Camino.

floyd66
Oct 8th, 08, 9:59 PM
Why do you guys always leave out the 3 speed benchseat shifter with the plain black knob.... like it's the redheaded step child of 66 SS's :D

I was thinking of you when I wrote "(4 speed)"

No need to muddle things up with these oddball cars :D

:beers:

james a larson
Oct 8th, 08, 11:49 PM
In the 64-66 SS maybe if you got a 4 sp, you also got a console, except in the el camino; so you got the same shifter lever 3853137. And maybe 3853138 was just a little different than 3853137; and superceeded that lever; thus fitting the 64-65 cars.

Appears by the part numbers the 67 shifter must have been a little different, maybe just a little difference in the length of the reverse lockout lenth or some other little change.

SebJr
Oct 9th, 08, 11:02 AM
No need to muddle things up with these oddball cars :D

:beers:

You mean very rare cars :yes: ;)

SebJr
Oct 9th, 08, 11:09 AM
Sorry about that Seb. Knob 384377, thats the # from my AIM; is it correct. And it has the shift lever as 384346, again from the AIM. Was the 66 SS the first year a 3 sp was available on the floor?
The knob is correct, as a fellow TCer found a NOS one on E-bay and it had that # and matched my knob ( no script)
as far as the availability of 3 speed floor shifts, I know it was the first year of the BW HD fully synchro.... but I don't believe it to be the first 3 speed floor shift tranny available in these cars.

1966_L78
Oct 9th, 08, 4:45 PM
... as far as the availability of 3 speed floor shifts, I know it was the first year of the BW HD fully synchro.... but I don't believe it to be the first 3 speed floor shift tranny available in these cars.

Was the 66 SS the first year a 3 sp was available on the floor?

I have seen one, original 3-speed equipped '65 SS (where I thought the floor shift was "standard" on the '65 SS), that had a column-shifted 3-speed (but bucket seats, no console)


On these part numbers/parts book... Were these parts numbers for replacement parts (like over-the-counter, published after 1966 M.Y.), or were they a listing of part numbers for the factory (like the AIM)???

floyd66
Oct 9th, 08, 9:47 PM
On these part numbers/parts book... Were these parts numbers for replacement parts (like over-the-counter, published after 1966 M.Y.), or were they a listing of part numbers for the factory (like the AIM)???

Tony
my parts books generally have individual part numbers listed but occasionally they have an assembly. Usually when it is an assy it states that it is.