I went and looked at a one owner Burnish Brown COPO Chevelle today,he bought the car on August 8th 1969 from Scuncio Chevrolet. The original engine is long gone and it now has a 67 427/435HP from a vette. The trans,rear,interior,vinyl top,sheet metal and all the chrome are original and the car has been repainted. The trunk pan looks great and I could not find any rot holes anywhere on the car,the trans tunnel has been cut up due to the aftermarket shifter but its not that bad. It has 48,911 miles on it and has tinted glass,rosewood wheel,buckets,SS wheels and the original spare is still there. I know the market is down a little right now,so whats it worth?

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I'm not one that would know the value on these cars, but I'd sure like to own this one.
I'll take a wild guess and say somewhere around $50K, give or take $10K.

I would think alot will depend on the condition of the body, paperwork for documentation, if the original engine can be located, etc, etc.

I agree with Rick. I have never seen a burnished brown car. If he was gonna sell I would be interested in buying it if possiable.

Sean

Any paperwork or a pic of the cowl tag? Phil.

Here are a few more pictures. Ed

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Any paperwork or a pic of the cowl tag? Phil.


I could not get a good picture of the cowl tag,but I took a pencil rubbing of it I can scan it if you would like. The car does have paperwork also. Ed

Love the color, do your homework to make sure the car is what it is said to be. The build sheet and cowl tag hold some info. Talk to members who own these cars to know what to look for.

Love the color, do your homework to make shure the car is what it is said to be. The build sheet and cowl tag hold some info. Talk to members who own these cars to know what to look for.

Its a one owner car and the salesman (Bob Johnson) that worked for Scuncio is a friend of mine and he remembers the car. The cowl tag has a 2 in the upper right hand corner,its stamped on the D. There is also an 8 on the lower part of the tag,some of it is hard to read. Ed

Its a one owner car and the salesman (Bob Johnson) that worked for Scuncio is a friend of mine and he remembers the car. The cowl tag has a 2 in the upper right hand corner,its stamped on the D. There is also an 8 on the lower part of the tag,some of it is hard to read. Ed

SO far so good..whats the line with the build date say..should be 06B XXXXX..single fuel 3/8 line no piercings on the tail panel..KQ coded rear, should not have F-41. PM me for more info if you need it

It does have the KQ rear,single 3/8 fuel line and no piercings on the tail panel. The cowl tag is hard to read,see if you can make it out. Ed

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Sorry for taking this tread off topic, "whats it worth". Looks like a great find. Phil.

The cowl tag looks good.

Looks pretty darn good.

Sean

Looks pretty darn good.

Sean

I would park it in my garage!! :D

thats a very cool Chevelle.

I see they put the 67 Corvette 427 emblems on the valve covers.

have seen that on other old day 2 hot rods

Will be interesting to see the original paperwork

is build date 07C?

The vin is 403XXX so it could be 07C but i'm not sure,there was something on the tag and I did not want to scrap it off.

Nice find, Scuncio pumped out quite a few Super cars for a small town dealer. Bob Johnson was the key to all of it as I understand it. He ran and sponsored quite a few cars at the tracks around N.E., it just goes to show they're still out there!!! I'd have to think with the paperwork and Bob Johnsons recollection/certification, even without the original motor this car has to be + or - in the 45/55K range. COPO's are far and few between, if the original motor were still with the car, I'm sure the asking price would double in it's present condition. I hope you can put the deal together, good luck!!:thumbsup:

SO far so good..whats the line with the build date say..should be 06B XXXXX..single fuel 3/8 line no piercings on the tail panel..KQ coded rear, should not have F-41. PM me for more info if you need it

why would it not have F-41 suspension?is it not a COPO car and dealer ordered?if they knew what codes to mark, couldn't they have ordered F-41 package on a car.i know F-41 is rare in 69 but it was ordered.so why not on a COPO car?

Not near as much if it had the original engine!

In over 20 years of collecting 427 COPO and Yenko Chevelle info, I have not seen a documented 427 Chevelle with F41.

It could be there was some built but most of the documented F41 1969 Chevelles are early cars from what I have seen and this is a very late car, but never say never.

One picture shows the front sway bar but I can't tell if it is the larger diameter F41 bar?

It has the rear bar but many people added rear sway bars in the 1970s.

If Ed gets a look at the paperwork, we will know.

There was an article recently on 427 COPO Chevelles that stated all had F41 but this is definitely not true. The article had a lot of other incorrect info.

why would it not have F-41 suspension?is it not a COPO car and dealer ordered?if they knew what codes to mark, couldn't they have ordered F-41 package on a car.i know F-41 is rare in 69 but it was ordered.so why not on a COPO car?

In over 20 years of collecting 427 COPO and Yenko Chevelle info, I have not seen a documented 427 Chevelle with F41.

It could be there was some built but most of the documented F41 1969 Chevelles are early cars from what I have seen and this is a very late car, but never say never.

One picture shows the front sway bar but I can't tell if it is the larger diameter F41 bar?

It has the rear bar but many people added rear sway bars in the 1970s.

If Ed gets a look at the paperwork, we will know.

There was an article recently on 427 COPO Chevelles that stated all had F41 but this is definitely not true. The article had a lot of other incorrect info.

What Joe said..never seen a real COPO Chevelle with F-41..does it exist...maybe... but I am doubtfull

Here is a link to more pictures.

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So, are you buying it and did you put the deal together? You know what they say about he who hesitates!!

So, are you buying it and did you put the deal together? You know what they say about he who hesitates!!

It would have been in my garage already~~:D..WOW nice original car..nice color too

It would have been in my garage already~~:D..WOW nice original car..nice color too

I know you would have Albert!:thumbsup: Sometimes I don't know if these threads are really for sale ads???

It would have been in my garage already~~:D..WOW nice original car..nice color too

Al, you're not a bit biased about that color, are you?? :D :thumbsup:

Neat car. I'd jump at the opportunity for something like this.

Woj.

Three of us bought COPO Chevelles at the same dealership. None had the F41 suspension. Very few Chevelles of any model did in '69. I'm not aware that the option wasn't available on the COPO cars. It seemed that anything that was available for an L78 car could be ordered on a COPO. 07C and the VIN are in the good time frame too.

Al, you're not a bit biased about that color, are you?? :D :thumbsup:

ya think??

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Not near as much if it had the original engine!


Any Copo, original engine or not is worth a fortune. Nice car!

Great car. Anyone know the significance of the number(s) hand-stamped in the top right corner of the tag?

Well I think this car will be sitting in the original owners garage for another 30 years. He turned down 80K and wants a lot more then that for it. He seens to think it is worth more because it has not been restored, and any one that buys it will want to do a frame off on the car and will have more into it then its worth. The rear sway bar was added and the car is missing its original engine,dist,alt,fan,starter,pulleys,carb and shifter and all of them are big $$ items. It would be a nice car to own but I don't think it will ever leave his garage. Ed

he Turned Down 80k And Wants A Lot More Then That For It.Just curious, how was the frame.

16545

nice find!

Car is listed for sale in the classifieds.

Asking price $200,000.00 :eek: http://www.chevelles.com/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=27740&cat=21 :eek:

The guy selling the car does not own it.

I'm not one that would know the value on these cars, but I'd sure like to own this one.
I'll take a wild guess and say somewhere around $50K, give or take $10K.

I would think alot will depend on the condition of the body, paperwork for documentation, if the original engine can be located, etc, etc.

ya think??

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Rick- Just what I was thinking before getting to your response, I think that is a good number. Any & all docs would be a bonus and add $$$. Original block, manifolds, etc would be through the roof. Looks like a great speciman for a full and correct resto!

Albert- VERY nice car and I love the color!! The colors you didnt see are the ones I love.:yes:

If it doesn't have the original engine, what's the big deal?

It's a COPO minus it's original "Heartbeat", so it's not worth anywhere near $200K in my non-expert humble opinion.

Looks like a nice car and I do like the color. :thumbsup:

Has anyone actually seen any paperwork? No paperwork means no proof of it being a COPO, if I'm not mistaken.

I guess I'm missing something here. :confused:


And, Albert - that is one beautiful car you've got there! :D :thumbsup: :beers:

Dave, I thought the same thing, with no original engine, I would think the value on the car would plummet. The guy wanting 200k now? Never in a million years would he get that figure, I think the 80k offered was extremely generous

Not having the original engines doesn't hurt the value of these type cars as much as it does the other big block cars. Most of the COPOs were raced for the first few years of their existance. A lot of engines were blown. The COPOs are pretty rare cars. I would guess that less than 25% have the original engines. Being sold new from Scuncio adds to the value. Is it worth $200K? Not in my opinion.
James

One of only 224...original owner,rare color[although not my favorite],hiperf dealer,4 speed. If any or all of those details are of importance to a buyer,the number of similar cars available drops to zero,certainly a potential six figure car ,in fact try finding any real 427 copo chevelle for sale nowadays other than the car a few weeks ago that went under the radar .

224? Where is that number from?

The car is owned by the original owner but he is technically the third owner. He sold the car and bought it back,the second owner blew up the original engine and put a 350 in it. I was also told the ring & pinion have been changed and the trans was either replace or rebuilt under warranty. I don't think I have ever seen another BB COPO Chevelle before so I guess it maybe worth a little more because of the color,but I don't see $200K. The only paperwork for the car is the dealer bill of sale and it does not list any options just the vin and owners info,but there is no dought the car is a COPO.

224? Where is that number from?

323 - 99 Yenkos?

The only paperwork for the car is the dealer bill of sale and it does not list any options just the vin and owners info,but there is no dought the car is a COPO.

How is there no doubt that the car is a COPO without a build sheet or other documentation? I'm not seeing it ... :noway:

Dealer bill of sale is great to have but doesn't mean diddly squat as far as COPO proof, unless it's written on there. And these days, that could be forged pretty easily, from what I've seen.

Is the VIN number on the tranny? If it's been replaced, that's another missing piece of proof. If most/all of the original drivetrain parts have been replaced, who's to say it's not a Malibu somebody's cobbled together to look like a COPO?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, but something's hinky here. Or maybe I'm just paranoid and cynical? :eek: :D

Another case of Bloomington/Barrett-Jacksonitis
It's a 'survivor' so it's worth lot's more. (Not without it's original engine, Jake!)
I saw one sell for 2.5 million on Tee Vee! (Hasta la Vista, Jake.)

Most people search high and low for the original owner of thier car to find out its history and consider it a true way of documenting thier car . This car is being sold by the original owner,yet it seems not to matter. Maybe its the thrill of finding a lost owner after doing 40 title searches that makes a persons statements more believable.

323 - 99 Yenkos?

The number of 427 Chevelles is not known.

The 323 number is based on engine production. There could be a lot less cars then 323. Over the years it has been mis-stated as car production numbers.

This car has the KQ rear and a bunch of other items correct for a 427 Chevelle.

How is there no doubt that the car is a COPO without a build sheet or other documentation? I'm not seeing it ... :noway:

Thats a great question,I know its a real COPO because the salesman that sold the car new told me it was. The owner is not making things up its a real factory 427 car,I know in this day and age its tuff for anyone to think a car is real with out paperwork but this car left the Scuncio Chevrolet lot with a 427,M22 and 4:10 rear. I was told a few months back by some self proclaimed car expert that Scuncio did not sell any COPO cars and they never made then in Brown anyway. The car is real its just missing some parts if it was priced right it would have an new home.

Thats a great question,I know its a real COPO because the salesman that sold the car new told me it was. The owner is not making things up its a real factory 427 car,I know in this day and age its tuff for anyone to think a car is real with out paperwork but this car left the Scuncio Chevrolet lot with a 427,M22 and 4:10 rear. I was told a few months back by some self proclaimed car expert that Scuncio did not sell any COPO cars and they never made then in Brown anyway. The car is real its just missing some parts if it was priced right it would have an new home.

I'm not saying that this is not true, but it's a tough sell to a prospective buyer that it's a real COPO just because the salesman says he remembers it from 40 years ago. What does he remember exactly? Does he remember the VIN #? or does he just remember a burnished brown COPO? Who's to say this is the same car?

Not trying to be a pr*ck...just trying to put myself in the position of being a potential buyer.

C'mon, guys.....here's a 40 yr old car being sold by the original owner (the fact that he sold it once then bought it back is moot) with the original selling salesman confirming the story - and you're questioning the provenance? :sad: All one would need to do is have the original owner and the salesman sign affidavits and get them notarized, and you have ironclad documentation that will stand up in a court of law - which is more than anyone can say for a POP, build sheet, block stamp, etc.

On the other hand, the seller is probably a bit high on the asking price. As others have said, the fact that the original drivetrain is missing is not as big a deal on a COPO as on more pedestrian varieties of Chevelles. If the absence of original drivetrain were a big issue in rare cars, then all but a couple of the ZL-1 Camaros would have greatly diminished value - and we know that's not the case :noway:

I'm not saying that this is not true, but it's a tough sell to a prospective buyer that it's a real COPO just because the salesman says he remembers it from 40 years ago. What does he remember exactly? Does he remember the VIN #? or does he just remember a burnished brown COPO? Who's to say this is the same car?

Not trying to be a pr*ck...just trying to put myself in the position of being a potential buyer.

The saleman " Bob Johnson" was friends with the guy who bought the car from the dealership and has always knew he still had the car after all these years,thats how I found out about it. Bob sold the car twice,the second owner traded it in to Scuncio and he resold it back to the original owner. If anyone is looking to buy the car PM me for Bobs # he told the owner of the car that he would put it in writing that the car is a COPO,maybe Jim needs to contact Bob and have that done and relist it for sale with a real world price. Ed

Better yet,if anyone buys the car ,I will offer them the same piece of the puzzle I offered the owner.

I had one since 1986 and have collected a lot of info on the 427 Chevelles.
It is easy to ID one if you know what to look for.
They have unique items and different details then the SS396 and the 350 Malibu.

A buyer wants to see documentation since after restoration it can be difficult to tell if there was restamped parts, fake tag, new sheetmetal etc.

With original owner, original salesman, and some known Scuncio dealer info, this car just seems to be unlucky with docs so far.

Too bad the owner has not found build sheet, dealer paperwork showing 427, POP, baby pictures, original engine, etc.

As said, this car will still sell at the right price.

That's a whole bunch of cash for a NOM car.

What the guy asks for the car is no one's business but his. If he sold it for $30K, the car would be gone in a flash and everyone would call him an idiot. If he asks too much, he simply won't sell the car and people have to complain. That applies to anything we sell. He probably put up a very high price to see what kind of offers would come in. How do you put a price on these cars? Last year a red Yenko went for $341K. Later a light green, bench seat, automatic on the column car went for something like $142K.
I have a copy of a letter from the late Fran Preve where he stated the number of 323 built was based on 358 engines built for the application. Apprently GM would build 10% more engines than were put in vehicles. This would cover warranty and such. 358 - 10% equals 323 is the way he put it. Still just an estimate. The car looks pretty real to me. Just a matter of seller and buyer coming to terms.

Does anyone think there would be a problem if an original owner was selling a z16,it had the right options specific to the z16,correct lack of/ or trim unique to the car w correct holes in original sheetmetal ,unique conv frame, the correct one model only rear,had original paint,correct fuel line ,[and it still would not have a informative specific trim tag.] The bottom line is corvettes need tank stickers,69 and 70 chevelles need buildsheets,because they are usually found in these cars and most all had them at one time. ...For Copo camaros and Z28s,as well as others that almost never have broadcast sheets , any half way believable story from a previos owner and a 3/8 fuel line is considered great documentation.

This car was built in Baltimore, so there's almost zero chance of it having a build sheet.

The Baltimore built Chevelle that we bought new had the right hand half of a build sheet for an SS Chevelle built 75 before ours. When there are problems on the line jobs will be set out rescheduled then set back in. That car got another seat and the seat I got was probably set in to work with my car. I post a picture of this build sheet from time to time but no one seems to have the car. Our other Baltimore car didn't seem to have any kind of a build sheet.

This car was built in Baltimore, so there's almost zero chance of it having a build sheet.

This is not correct.

Most of my build sheets are from Baltimore cars. A bunch of Yenkos and 427 COPO Chevelles
build sheets have been found. My car had 2 in it, one under front seat, the other was in the back of back seat.

In the 1980s, thats how I documented my Yenko Chevelle and other 427 Chevelles.

The Yenko build sheet has the COPO numbers and the dealer zone code for Yenko Chevrolet. Then found little pieces of the original stripes on the inside of the door edges and the original underhood 427 Yenko decal.
Later found all the owners and some baby pictures. (and some great stories)

Hmmmm, first I've heard of this. Everything I've ever heard previously indicated that they were few and far between.

The Baltimore build sheets and trim tags is what I used to do my research on the 427 Chevelles back in the 1980s.

It was the build sheets that proved and identified the factory built 427 Chevelles

This car is the real deal, If any one wants to inspect this car. Contact us and we will set a time and date. The only things that have been changed on this car are the engine, And the ring gear was changed under warenty because 3 teeth were broken off coming out of the hole! The build sheet was not found, and we searched. You have the original owner, bill of sale,
trim tag,corect codeing on the rear end, and tranny.And the sales man has all the dealer information on this car. If GOD came down tomorrow,and
destroyed this car,where would get a replacement. These cars are getting harder to find. You may have more luck finding Hens Teeth. So to end all this speculation, I hope one of you experts will come, and inspect the car. The ball is now in your court.

This car was built in Baltimore, so there's almost zero chance of it having a build sheet.
I too, must also respectfully disagree with your statement Bill. I know several owner's of Baltimore cars who retain the buildsheets left in their autos. Brad himself found remnants of I believe 3 in his as an example.

By the way, what does a build sheet on a Yenko look like?

Just curious, how was the frame.
Ron DuCharme? Ed (RPOZ28)?

This car is the real deal, If any one wants to inspect this car. Contact us and we will set a time and date. The only things that have been changed on this car are the engine, And the ring gear was changed under warenty because 3 teeth were broken off coming out of the hole! The build sheet was not found, and we searched. You have the original owner, bill of sale,
trim tag,corect codeing on the rear end, and tranny.And the sales man has all the dealer information on this car. If GOD came down tomorrow,and
destroyed this car,where would get a replacement. These cars are getting harder to find. You may have more luck finding Hens Teeth. So to end all this speculation, I hope one of you experts will come, and inspect the car. The ball is now in your court.


end all this speculation?.... What speculation?

I don't see where anyone said they do not believe the original owner or Bob J's word.

The original post is "What's it worth"

The other question that came up is if there is any original documentation showing the 427 COPO option?

if copo's are big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

is my fleet ordered copo velle worth a mint...
I'll guess no...
g.m. screwwed these cars together as fast as they could..
why is it. that every car,, and I do mean every car posted on here..
people that where not screw'n them together, say "it can't be"
cars left the factory with the wrong tachs/dashes/ rears/ spec'd tranny
little things didn't stop the line.. they grabed what was there and that was that..
no one looked at they're new 70 ls5 velle and said, look thats the wrong redline..
my resale value is gonna suck..
they laid the money down and took the keys..
I don't understand why someone would pay 90000 for a car that had the factory installed engine pulled and replaced with a hotter one..
but will not look at an ls6 with a warranty replacement engine in the engine bay..
a velle with a copo 427 isn't any different than the guy that bought a 396 velle and installed an l88 crate motor from g.m.
one the velle guys will oohh and aahh about..
the other they'll turn their nose up at..
go figure

if copo's are big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

is my fleet ordered copo velle worth a mint...
I'll guess no...
g.m. screwwed these cars together as fast as they could..
why is it. that every car,, and I do mean every car posted on here..
people that where not screw'n them together, say "it can't be"
cars left the factory with the wrong tachs/dashes/ rears/ spec'd tranny
little things didn't stop the line.. they grabed what was there and that was that..
no one looked at they're new 70 ls5 velle and said, look thats the wrong redline..
my resale value is gonna suck..
they laid the money down and took the keys..
I don't understand why someone would pay 90000 for a car that had the factory installed engine pulled and replaced with a hotter one..
but will not look at an ls6 with a warranty replacement engine in the engine bay..
a velle with a copo 427 isn't any different than the guy that bought a 396 velle and installed an l88 crate motor from g.m.
one the velle guys will oohh and aahh about..
the other they'll turn their nose up at..
go figure

Agreed :yes:

What v8 chevelle[original paint being important] has no holes in the tail panel , no holes for malibu emblems on the quarters,and a complete lack of rocker trim?Not an SS ,and not a run of the mill malibu. Even forgetting the trim tag for a minute which at a minimum has info ALL 427 copos have on it. Ill take that as documentation over a restored and painted "copo" with a 200.00 Ebay Protecto plate.

This car is the real deal, If any one wants to inspect this car. Contact us and we will set a time and date. The only things that have been changed on this car are the engine, And the ring gear was changed under warenty because 3 teeth were broken off coming out of the hole! The build sheet was not found, and we searched. You have the original owner, bill of sale,
trim tag,corect codeing on the rear end, and tranny.And the sales man has all the dealer information on this car. If GOD came down tomorrow,and
destroyed this car,where would get a replacement. These cars are getting harder to find. You may have more luck finding Hens Teeth. So to end all this speculation, I hope one of you experts will come, and inspect the car. The ball is now in your court.

Its still going to be a tough sell for that price. But good luck with the sales pitch though. In this economy, your going to need it.

Ron DuCharme? Ed (RPOZ28)?

John, I don't recall it was tuff to get under the car but it looks like there is a problem there.

The second owner of the car had ladder bars installed, when jim bought the car back he removed them and had to cut the mounting brackets off.and ed if you would of asked me to jack the car up a little higher you would of seen this clearly. Instead of spectulating on what you think might be a problem.

John, I don't recall it was tuff to get under the car but it looks like there is a problem there.

The second owner of the car had ladder bars installed, when jim bought the car back he removed them and had to cut the mounting brackets off.
Ed and Ron, thank you both for your replies.:yes: I hope the owner finds a good home for this car, it is deserving IMHO. :thumbsup:

No paper work, no protecto plate, nom, etc etc. Just another chevelle. All CARS I purchase have docs (high end super cars). If you ever decide to sell it and you claim it is a COPO then where is the proof. I would not place a value on it because it is not my car and the owner needs to realize what he is dealing with and what the market will be willing to absorb. It would be a huge gamble on the puchase of the car. I might take 200k and play the roulette wheel.

Sean

The second owner of the car had ladder bars installed, when jim bought the car back he removed them and had to cut the mounting brackets off.and ed if you would of asked me to jack the car up a little higher you would of seen this clearly. Instead of spectulating on what you think might be a problem.

Ron,I thought it may have been ladder bars but was not sure,I did not give it much thought until John posted about it. What was the second owners name I never asked you? He would have some input on what he did to the car when he owned it. Ed

What v8 chevelle[original paint being important] has no holes in the tail panel , no holes for malibu emblems on the quarters,and a complete lack of rocker trim?Not an SS ,and not a run of the mill malibu. Even forgetting the trim tag for a minute which at a minimum has info ALL 427 copos have on it. Ill take that as documentation over a restored and painted "copo" with a 200.00 Ebay Protecto plate.

There are 2 odd-ball 427 Chevelles that don't fit in.

One is a Daytona Yellow car that has Malibu lower side trim. I didn't see the paperwork on it but it was restored by a knowlegeable collector who owned other 427 Chevelles. He said that it was restored as original. Only one I have heard of like this.

The other is a black 427 Chevelle built in CA. The trim tag is a lot different then the Bal cars. I saw the paperwork on it and is also only one I have heard of like this.

There are 2 odd-ball 427 Chevelles that don't fit in.

One is a Daytona Yellow car that has Malibu lower side trim. I didn't see the paperwork on it but it was restored by a knowlegeable collector who owned other 427 Chevelles. He said that it was restored as original. Only one I have heard of like this.

The other is a black 427 Chevelle built in CA. The trim tag is a lot different then the Bal cars. I saw the paperwork on it and is also only one I have heard of like this.
.................................................. .................................................. ........................ Adding things to a car including rocker moldings and drilling holes is easy....Some people like the look of the canada SS cars that came w malibu trim.Its the lack of these holes on original paint virgin shells that speaks volumes for what the cars were. Once a car is restored you can throw out any anomolies it may have,they can easily be added and sometimes deleted by any one of the owners. The fact an owner of one car says it was restored "as original " shouldnt hold any weight,if the original owner of this car isnt getting much credit for owning an unrestored car since day one.

This car has been repainted twice,the only original paint is on the tail lamp panel. They did not want to try and remove the Scuncio emblem so it was taped of and not touched the three emblems holes are still there and untouched from when Fuzzy Kimble put it on the car in 69. He was also the guy to change the ring gear in the car under warranty. I'm quoting a super car expert when I say,"Okay..you say it is not real..PROVE IT!"

.................................................. .................................................. ........................ Adding things to a car including rocker moldings and drilling holes is easy....Some people like the look of the canada SS cars that came w malibu trim.Its the lack of these holes on original paint virgin shells that speaks volumes for what the cars were. Once a car is restored you can throw out any anomolies it may have,they can easily be added and sometimes deleted by any one of the owners. The fact an owner of one car says it was restored "as original " shouldnt hold any weight,if the original owner of this car isnt getting much credit for owning an unrestored car since day one.

The Yellow 427 Chevelle is said to have been original with the Malibu side trim. I don't see why they would restore it that way if they didn't have a good reason. It was just as easy to restore it the same as all other 427 Chevelles and would have been less controversial.

The original owner of this Burnish Brown car is getting credit as he is believed. The reason people dream of finding original owners is to find the car's history, original documentation, baby pictures, old news/magazine articles, etc. and also to have the word of a real owner not just a broker.

Since this is a "What's it worth" thread...
The availability of original owner adds value.
The word of the original salesman adds value.
Original paint, original engine, original 427 documentation, etc. would add more value.

This is a cool car that nobody would kick out of their garage.
The question is on market value.

Alss, all the componets are there to prove this a true copo. Trim plate,vin number, original bill of sale, original owner, the salesman, one of the mechanics, scuncio's original paper work. Using this infomation you can trace this car back from conseption to birth. That is if you are willing to roll up your sleves and do a little work.

Ron, Finding another scuncio COPO chevelle [ one that has ironclad factory docs,including factory buildsheet ] that shows similar tag info and one other very important tidbit of info would really be the icing on the cake.

Alss, all the componets are there to prove this a true copo. Trim plate,vin number, original bill of sale, original owner, the salesman, one of the mechanics, scuncio's original paper work. Using this infomation you can trace this car back from conseption to birth. That is if you are willing to roll up your sleves and do a little work.

How can you tell from the vin plate and trim tag if it was a COPO ordered car?

The vin no. and trim tag does more to tell you it is not a 427 COPO as 99% of the 1969 Chevelles are not.

First off, the vin tells you the assembly plant. All but 1 found so far has been Baltimore built cars. Maybe a few built in other plants but only 1 documented CA. 427 COPO found so far and have not heard of any from other plants. Also the build date can rule out some cars.

The trim tag can supply info that rules out most cars also.

The Yenko Chevelle's build sheet has the Yenko dealer and zone code. This combined with the 427 COPO numbers tells you it is a 427 COPO Chevelle delivered to Yenko Chevrolet.

Possible not all were sold as Yenko striped and badged but I have not heard of any unconverted Yenko Chevelles. So if you have a 427 COPO Chevelle build sheet with Yenko dealer code, very good chance it is one of the 99 Yenko 427 Chevelles.

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Alss, all the componets are there to prove this a true copo. Trim plate,vin number, original bill of sale, original owner, the salesman, one of the mechanics, scuncio's original paper work. Using this infomation you can trace this car back from conseption to birth. That is if you are willing to roll up your sleves and do a little work.

For a $200,000 asking price the seller should be rolling up his sleeves and doing a little more work.

"How can you tell from the vin plate and trim tag if it was a COPO ordered car? "....All Yenko Chevelle production vins are known,so those are easy.

Chevrolet has the info you need to prove that this a true copo. And the keys to unlocking box is the info we told you about.

When i return to r.i. I will see about getting clearer pic's of the trim tag.
Also when jim bought this car, it was one of 5 that were on scuncio's lot.
If they were all orderd at same time, i think that there would be a good chance the numbers would run consectutively. What do you guy's think