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: Q about longer rods


SS_Sean
Apr 21st, 04, 5:16 PM
I picked up a GM 4" stroke forged crank for my 454. Got it for $400. It was standard/standard, and just needed a polish to clean up. Getting hard to find those now.

The engine builder I'm using suggested I run a 6.385" rod. He was telling me it takes some of the steepness out of the angle of entry into the hole, and takes stress off the crank. He mentioned the compression I want to run would exert more force on the reciprocating assembly. What's the deal with this? Can anyone explain whether I need to bother with longer rods, or stick with the stock rods and 3/8" bolts?

I believe he may be concerned about the rod length because I'm going to run a 12-13:1 compression motor with a UD 255/263 .612/.639 107 solid, and looking at a shift of somewhere around 6500-6800 (depending on how things work out at the top end/gearing/tires/etc.)

The thing that's a bit confusing is that a L88, and LS-6's were rating at 425 and 450 HP, but produced more HP than rated (some say as high as 525 HP). Granted, I'm looking at around 550-600 HP at the crank, but that's a factor. As I said, he seemed concerned about the compression exerting force on the reciprocating assembly, but the L88 and LS-6 were also rated at 11:1 (or maybe it was 12:1...I forget). So, this leaves me a little baffled.

The one thing I can say is that he was NOT trying to sell me parts. In fact, he suggested I buy the parts since he couldn't get them any cheaper than Summit or Jegs. He just mentioned I should consult with him before laying out any cash, to make sure I got what I needed.

Anyone like to chime in here?

SS_Sean
Apr 21st, 04, 8:27 PM
Anyone have an opinion on this?

JIM
Apr 21st, 04, 8:41 PM
Sean,
I had the same question about 2 weeks ago and there are some other similar posts on this board, but all basically give the same response. Look here>>>> Longer rod advantage (http://www.chevelles.com/cgi-bin/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=019615)
And then read page #2 of this post>>> More info on the longer rod (http://www.chevelles.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=019847;p=1)

SS_Sean
Apr 21st, 04, 8:59 PM
Missed those posts, thanks. Unfortunately they didn't clear things up much! :D

You mentioned you're going with +.25 length rod. Why did you decide to?

Wolfplace
Apr 21st, 04, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by SS_Sean:
Missed those posts, thanks. Unfortunately they didn't clear things up much! :D

You mentioned you're going with +.25 length rod. Why did you decide to? =
Sean,
Here is another post for you to read.
Balancing & Rod length (http://www.chevelles.com/forum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=019847)

Technically speaking your machinist is right. There is slightly less initial loading on the crank with a longer rod but the key word is slightly :D
This is just not a good reason to change rod lengths.
The differences are negligible,, almost to the point of being immeasurable.
There are valid reasons to use both short & long rods but the difference in crank loading would be pretty much on the bottom of my list.
I can & have discussed some of the so called advantages & disadvantages of both before but the bottom line I feel is,, unless you have a very valid reason to change the length of your rod leave it alone ;)
Again,,, in my opinion it is just not that big of a deal,,, but fun to ramble on about :D

SS_Sean
Apr 22nd, 04, 12:36 AM
Thanks for the info, Mike. I sent you an email with some more questions...

undee70ss
Apr 22nd, 04, 2:11 AM
If you are buying all new parts go with the longer rod, if you already have pistons or the shorter rods then use them.