Ive never thought of using any intake but an edelbrock, always loved them and never had a problem. Unless I were to run a blower or dual carbs which Im not. But I recently bought a 10k RPM rated balancer from professional products, some of there stuffs cool, some dont like it. Would you guys ever use a manifold from them? Theres a nice polished aluminum one im looking at for the big block, oposed to the aluminum standard finish edelbrock 7561 (air gap) To be specific Pro Products #53000 Or Cat.# 323-754-1287

This has been beat to death, but if you want to give money to a company that copies Edelbrocks (and other US companies) parts and offers no development and technology, go for it. Some day there won't be Edelbrock's and Holley's around to do the R&D because they will be out of business. The casting and machining quality on all of the ones I've seen is very poor.

Communist garbage.

FWIW I heard they are using the old Edelbrock molds, my son got one with his Vortec head kit from Scoggin Dickey and you can see on the intake where Edelbrock was supposed to be,ground flat or removed lettering from the casting. Its on the shelf and he's using an Air Gap and I use the RPM.

i'm sticking with edelbrock.i've always used edelbrock intakes and i've never been disappointed.'nuff said. ;)

Well,,, I have posted this before but here is one independent test:

I can tell you that on a mild 383 with no other changes except from a Pro Prod copy of the Perf RPM to an EDE RPM Air Gap which is essentially the same intake the engine picked up torque across the whole curve with almost 15HP at about 6000RPM with no loss anywhere.
I cannot tell you why only that this particular engine & set of intakes did what was completely unexpected to me looking at them side by side.

Go read this or do a search for Professional Products
Link (http://www.chevelles.com/forum/ultimatebb.php/topic/4/23092.html)

I had one on my small block and it needed lots of massaging to fit by the oil pressure tap at the back of the block and there was a lot of casting flash inside the runners. It also required significant porting to match the ProAction 180's I was running. I love my Edelbrock intakes I won't stray again.

The guy that just built my motor had to do some epoxy work to the runners on my RPM intake,he said they were off quite a bit due to casting shift and wouldnt gasket match without the modifications. It sounds like Vic might have issues too.

Wow, I didnt think too highly about them, its good to hear you guys agree. Ive only used Edelbrocks and not once had a problem, probably best to stay with em' the 7561 air gap is still on the top of my list. So they copy the molds? That bites, they sure are cheap... cheap money buys cheap parts hrmmmm

My friend just bought the Victor jr/super victor knockoff for a sbc and it looks pretty crappy. Finish is not so great and casting flash is everywhere. It just feels as if it would break if it was dropped/doesn't feel as dense or heavy as it should??
Caleb

Originally posted by Doug F.:
This has been beat to death, but if you want to give money to a company that copies Edelbrocks (and other US companies) parts and offers no development and technology, go for it. Some day there won't be Edelbrock's and Holley's around to do the R&D because they will be out of business. The casting and machining quality on all of the ones I've seen is very poor. i couldn't agree more. when buying new, i ALWAYS try and buy products made in the USA. of the few PP intakes i've seen, which were all knockoffs of the sbc air gap, the finish looked crappy inside and out. not worth the $50 or whatever you save, IMO. never ever had a problem with an Edelbrock intake, nor a Weiand or Holley for that matter. BUY AMERICAN! ;)

I guess if you buy used parts that doesnt help Edelbrock or Holley either....right? I hate to buy used parts even, ya never know if its warped or leaking or???

Originally posted by Rapid Robert:
I guess if you buy used parts that doesnt help Edelbrock or Holley either....right? I hate to buy used parts even, ya never know if its warped or leaking or??? i would never buy used unless i knew where it came from, and knew there was nothing wrong with it. even then there's a risk that it won't last long when it comes to certain parts...hard to measure fatigue.

Bob, it actually does help, just indirectly.

Think of new, rookie hot rodder, like me. When I look under the hood of cars at the drags, I see Edelbrock intakes and Holley carbs for the most part. A Few Holley/Weiand intakes, a few qjet carb and a few e'brock carbs.

Hardly ever see PP intakes anywhere at the drags. Don't recall EVER seing one at the drags.

Anyway, I have a used Holley intake, and new holley carb. If some new guy happened to look under my hood in the lanes, free advertisement for Holley.

Advertisement counts big time.

I'm runnin a Prof Prod. polished Vortec Intake on our Z28 and love it. I gave $99.00 for it brand new and the fit was perfect. Plus the polished finish was actually superior to the new polished Edelbrock Airgap that my brother-in-law just purchased for his truck.

I think edelbrock has recently caught up with Prof. Prod with their new "permastar" finish. It looks more like the the polished finish on my Prof. products piece but much more expensive.

just my .02 cents

Anybody here know anything about the Offenhauser aluminum manifolds?

Offy's are old-line intakes that are good too, imho. If you know how to build your combination to take advantage of each intakes stong points.

DO some searching, here and over at "Little Brother", (Team Camaro), and see what the guys have to say about Offy intakes..

And they are about the last place you can buy new, "nostalgia" multi-carb. intakes, like we used to use way back when before Holley brought out their first big four-barrel carb's.....

pdq67

thanks pdq

i couldn't agree more. when buying new, i ALWAYS try and buy products made in the USA. of the few PP intakes i've seen, which were all knockoffs of the sbc air gap, the finish looked crappy inside and out. not worth the $50 or whatever you save, IMO. never ever had a problem with an Edelbrock intake, nor a Weiand or Holley for that matter. BUY AMERICAN! ;)

i just got the performer eps and i love the "made in usa" emblem on the front!

i just got the performer eps and i love the "made in usa" emblem on the front!

I'm proud to buy in the US, but I think that big ol' made in the USA is ugly.
They should offer them with and without it.
Or do they? It's been a while since I bought a brand spanking new intake. lol

This has been beat to death, but if you want to give money to a company that copies Edelbrocks (and other US companies) parts and offers no development and technology, go for it. Some day there won't be Edelbrock's and Holley's around to do the R&D because they will be out of business. The casting and machining quality on all of the ones I've seen is very poor.

Why couldn't Edelbrock do anything about this problem? I do have a couple Professional Products POS intakes. One is a hurricane(victor Jr knock off) which was ported to Sh!t by Dynoflo(I guess they make a perfect match) that I got on my POS 421 that they couldn't build right. I don't know how it looked out of the box, but right now, it isn't even comparable to a Vic. Somedays just looking at it makes me want to put it on a POS 305 and make a big nitrous POP. My girlfriend just bought one of their Air Gap intakes. It doesn't look too bad(nothing compared to a Edelbrock AIr Gap). We are just a little short on cash right now. Raising a 2 year old isn't cheap. So we cut corners just to get me out on the track. Saving $60 is a big deal for me now.
Not like 2 years ago. I miss staring at the Edelbrock 2975 that I had on my 406. Still got it, getting ready for a new 406 shortblock.
Anyways, that air gap Pro Products crap is going on my budget engine in the elky. Hoping to hit a mid 13 with 1984 1.94 heads(unmolested) hyd chet herbert cam, 2400 holeshot converter and 390 gears. Hope I make it. When it comes to making power, nothing beats one of those SUper Victors.


Jay

For what it's worth, I have a Pro Prod Air Gap BBC intake at home (picked up at swap meet for decent $$$). Haven't bolted it up, but overall, I don't think it looks that bad. Ports look decent. I did check it for port alignment against an intake gasket - fit is good. Can't say the same for the EDE Perf 2-0 that is on the motor now. It was cast off center on both sides - one side ports were up 1/4" / other side ports were down 1/4". Have heard similiar results from others. JMHO, use what ever you can get for the $$$ you have available and make it work. I tend to think this whole manifold thing gets blown well out of proportion.

I figure E-Brock doesn't care too much about the 2-0 b/c they probably figure everybody will gasket match h-ll outta them so they fit large ovals...

If it is the P-P intake??

pdq67

Not MY first hand experience, but my brother bought a Performer knock off from P/P in the polished look. Couldn't get it to seal after 3 tries. Dropped a Edelbrock on and it's been there every since. I've always stck with Edelbrock, although I want to try the new Weiand. Worth 20 hp over my 2116 according to AndrewB70 (Weiand product rep)