Anyone ever hear of something like this for a 69 with a big block and a SS hood?
I am using the air gap intake with a holley 850 DP on a 427 need it to fit under the hood without any cutting.

I wonder how close a 442 W-30 or a GTO Ram Air setup would be if you turned the top around so the holes were facing the rear? Not sure how much it would cost or if you can get a repop unit. Let me know if you find anything out, as I would be interested in one for my 68 with the same intake/carb setup.

Go to www.yearone.com (http://www.yearone.com) (Sorry Ground Up!)and check under GTO, Air and Fuel, then Ram Air parts to the right. They have reproduction baseplates, hood to baseplate foam seals, and fiberglass underhood pans that mate up to the Ram Air hood. I'm sure you could make something work with this, as long as there is enough material on the upper hood pan where you could match it up to the two hood openings. Go for it! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Chevrolet made a cold air intake that went back to the cowl area with one big oblong duct in the '66 model year and attached to a hole that was cut in the firewall and sealed making a fresh air intake. I don't know if it's available or not, however a system like the W-30 Oldsmobile's is available from Air Inlet Systems at 177 Grace Ave., Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, L8H-3X1. Their phone # is 905-549-6135. This information is somewhat dated, (1997), but i haven't found their advertising in any of my recent magazines. I'll keep looking and post if i discover a different address.

The Olds and Pontiac setups were for Qjets. The filter base will not clear a Holley DP. Closet thing I can find is from RamAirBox.com Biggest drawback is where to run the ducts. Short of removing the battery, there is no where to run the ducts with out cutting the heck out of the inner fenders or core support. I have even considered trying to modify the rear inner support of the SS hood and opening up the twin hood bulges, but may just go with a Goodmark 2" steel cowl hood instead.

..I know of someone that has spent considerable time modifying a 1972 442 convertible for one of those dual snorkel/under the front bumper ram air systems..I don't remember all the install details,but it was a PITA from what I remember him telling me..anyway,it looked good,but made no difference in ET or MPH at the strip,so thats something to think about.Motor was a mildly cammed 455 with Edelbrock heads.

I'm looking to run the tubing to the outside headlights not to the back of the cowl, so the ram air might not be the way to go. What i really need is something similar to what they used to use on the old Impala's i believe they called it a "parking meter" But I need one with 2 inlets instead of one.

On my '68, the battery is in the trunk and I used a ram air box with a drop base on a RPM manifold with a 3" K&N filter. The scoops go to the inside headlights and the highbeams still work with no mods whatsoever. If you want to e-mail me, I can send a picture of what the frontend looks like. I'll see if I can find any underhood pics. It's a cool deal. The complete assy was around $320 Cdn. The company that makes them is up here in Hamilton. I believe www.rambox.com (http://www.rambox.com) is their site. Check it out! Tony A.

Yea I talked to that jackhole this morning.

He wouldn't sell it to me because it won't fit using the airgap intake and he didn't want me cutting up his unit!

Talk about your major A-Hole!

So I'm still in search of.

I thought you wanted to try to make something work with the SS Hood? I think the factory-style "sandwich" type of setup would work best with minimal hood clearance. The base will work with a little modification to fit the Holley (maybe an air cleaner adapter ring?). Anything works with a little elbow grease, and you can trim the foam piece to fit. I'm sure you could make it happen with the GTO parts, plus it would be less expensive than the A-hole guy's box set-up. Why does he care if you want to modify it? If it wasn't for people modifying stuff, nobody would buy his stuff! You would think the guy would want to make a sale.

thats what i thought, a sale is a sale but he is particular to people cutting up his product. I do want it to work with the SS Hood, but i don't want to pull air from the cowl but from the headlights. the GTO style works by creating a seal with the hood to draw air from the cowl area.
I was looking to draw the air from the headlights mainly the two outer ones on the 69. Since i have a battery mounted in the trunk I have plenty of room to run some good size hosing to the carb.

if you use the two outer ones you'll have no low beams, that's why most of these setups use the inners. Somebody mentioned "no gain", that's been shown several times by various guys.

One of the guys I race with has a 67 Camaro with a 406 SBC. He bought a ram air box and used 3" flex to connect it to two openings he made in the radiator support. We did back to back testing at the track with a regular 14x3 element and the ram air setup. There was NO difference whatsoever. Looks cool, but a waste of $$$ IMO.

Originally posted by kjett:
We did back to back testing at the track with a regular 14x3 element and the ram air setup. There was NO difference whatsoever. Looks cool, but a waste of $$$ IMO. ..thats why I mentioned the 442
it irks me to see people spend $$$ on something that has no performance gain when they expect a gain.
Spend your hard earned money on something that will really benefit.

how about this?

http://www.ramairbox.com/

Sorry, didn't see this earlier. Is this the guy you talked to?

I think the 84 camaro used a set up like you want to build, I built one for my Monte Carlo SS using two M/C ss air cleaner setups
Bill (88502)

If you run the ram air box with a HEI, you must cut a portion from the rear of the box for clearance. He sells a piece of cellophane to cover the hole once its cut. I fiberglassed mine. I used a drop base cleaner riveted to the underside of the box. It works with a RPM manifold. It requires effort like anything else to make it work. Performance gains; very little. Cool factor 9! Do it again? Yep!

..well,I do have say I love the look on the 68-69 Cutlasses and 442's with this option.
There is a cool factor to it,I will admit smile.gif

If there is no gain then why did so many manufacturers put them on cars? I.E. GTO ram air, Cutlass w-30, Buick GSX, Mopar, Chevy everyone was using it it must have some sort of value.

Cold air is better, but I think it was mostly a "marketing" thing. It's like Kramer said, "You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle..."

Originally posted by 1ss427:
If there is no gain then why did so many manufacturers put them on cars? I.E. GTO ram air, Cutlass w-30, Buick GSX, Mopar, Chevy everyone was using it it must have some sort of value. ..well,timeslips don't lie,thats for sure.No correction factors,nada..very humbling.

..but it does look cool

It was done more for sales than performance. All the later hardcore muscle cars (68 and on and a few earlier ones) had some sort of hood scoop or domed hood. If you didn't have it, it wasn't going to sell as well as one that did have it. I mean. how much air could possibly flow through the flapper on the functional Cowl Induction hood, and how much cooler was the air? Most of these cars are and were driven in the Spring and Summer months, so the air can't that much cooler.

If scoops and ram airs don't work then why do all the big dogs in NHRA and IHRA use them?

click on pro stock and select any picture they are all using them.

http://www.nhra.com/2004/gallery/index.html


Is that the sound of back pedaling I'm hearing?

Because these motors are making THOUSANDS of horsepower, not a couple 3 or 4 HUNDRED. Every last drop counts when you are racing for thousands of dollars and the difference can be .001 between being a Champion and the first loser. I never said it didn't work, but as everybody else has stated, there is probably little to no gain in doing it. The reason would be because it is probably a 3-5 hp increase. Only way to tell is a dyno test. I tried it once on a TPI Camaro and ran it at the track with no other changes to the setup, and I had the EXACT same ET and MPH. Luckily it only cost me two 4" aluminum dryer hoses and some really big hose clamps. No backpedaling here, think before you type. tongue.gif

Originally posted by 1ss427:
If scoops and ram airs don't work then why do all the big dogs in NHRA and IHRA use them?

click on pro stock and select any picture they are all using them.

http://www.nhra.com/2004/gallery/index.html


Is that the sound of back pedaling I'm hearing? I love it when people post on these message boards disputing people with first hand knowledge when they have none to offer themselves :rolleyes: The only possible benefit I could see that a cold air setup would offer on a street/strip type car is better consistency as the outside air is likely more consistent over a given time period than the underhood temperatures in a car. Even that might be a stretch. For your information, the testing that me and my friend with the 67' conducted was pretty scientific We used a weather station, consistent starting line, launch RPM, shift points, tire pressure, and the car was cooled to the EXACT same starting line temp before each pass. Two passes with and without. No measureable difference. I can assure you that after spending the $$ for ramair box and plumbing, never mind hacking up the OEM radiator support, that we were hoping for different results. Oh, BTW the 14x3 element was OEM paper ;)

Keep in mind most those race cars are going well above 150mph, Ram Airs/Scoops are effective at very high speeds, but at low speeds, as everyone else has said, they do very little.

I have done this test with 2 different setups..Why 2 different ???...I don't know.. I guess I try to come up with something better each time. Anyways, there was no difference in ET or mph with any of the three setups I tried.

BUT, with the current cowl setup, I achieved an excellent level of consistency and ran it that way all this past season which went pretty well.

Hey Tom, that Monte is a beast! A 4000 Lb. car running in the 10's, NICE! graemlins/thumbsup.gif What are you pushing on the Dyno for HP/Torque?

Originally posted by 1ss427:

Is that the sound of back pedaling I'm hearing? You won't hear any back pedaling from me..I saw back to back runs..at a track rental on the aforementioned 442..no ET or MPH gain and I saw the owner's frustration.
..I don't want to argue with you..if you think you'll get a performance gain,and can document it with a timeslip,thats cool.
If you just want it because of the "cool" factor..thats cool too.
Doesn't really matter to me smile.gif
You can't compare a multiple carbed,pro stock,1200 HP or so HP combo to 400+ HP street/strip car.

If you run your tubes under the front bumper
your getting the worst air possiable plus your
extending your tubes & putting more bends in them
every bend is a 15% reduction in air. I wish
your freind would have tryed a larger filter
I used a 3 in with no gain put in a 6in &
gained 2 tenths. Best run was a 10.94 with a
10.1 pump gas 454.

My sentiment exactly, Mr. 4 Speed! ;)

Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1ss427:

Is that the sound of back pedaling I'm hearing? You won't hear any back pedaling from me..I saw back to back runs..at a track rental on the aforementioned 442..no ET or MPH gain and I saw the owner's frustration.
..I don't want to argue with you..if you think you'll get a performance gain,and can document it with a timeslip,thats cool.
If you just want it because of the "cool" factor..thats cool too.
Doesn't really matter to me smile.gif
You can't compare a multiple carbed,pro stock,1200 HP or so HP combo to 400+ HP street/strip car. </font>[/QUOTE]First off who said i was only running 400+ horse?
That was your first mistake, assuming what horse power level I'm at.I'm actualy closer to 700+ horse power


originaly posted by caru64:
"Because these motors are making THOUSANDS of horsepower, not a couple 3 or 4 HUNDRED."

maybe you should think before YOU type, tongue.gif


Both of you so called experts spouted off without even knowing what horse power level I'm running, there is more of a chance of it helping a 700+ horse power car than a 300 to 400 HP car. admittedly by your own words. There is nothing worse than a know it all telling you it won't work on your combo when they don't even know your combo. graemlins/sad.gif

..400+ HP covers a wide area..so I'm guessing you have a dyno tested/proven 700 HP motor..good for you smile.gif

..and I never said that You where running a 400+ HP motor either smile.gif

..now,if you can prove with a timeslip that the ram air has benefited your combo,thats cool.
If you don't care what the increase is,if any at your 700 HP level,thats cool too.
If you continue to argue about it,I'm guessing your just trying to justify your potential purchase smile.gif

..I guess at the 700 HP level,you don't need the "coolness/wow" factor smile.gif

..I'll stick with my humbling track experiences with "only" 400-500 HP cars :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif

..and I don't ever recall you saying "will this ram air set-up benefit my 700+ HP combo"

..and your point to all this is?

..maybe its just internet "miscommunication" and if we where all hanging out in person,it wouldn't seem so "intense" I guess smile.gif

Don't assume before you ask.

Originally posted by 1ss427:
Don't assume before you ask. ..I just should have assumed you had 700 HP ;)

Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1ss427:

Is that the sound of back pedaling I'm hearing? You can't compare a multiple carbed,pro stock,1200 HP or so HP combo to 400+ HP street/strip car. </font>[/QUOTE]Right here is where you stated i was running a 400+ hp combo, just incase you forgot.

I didn't forget what I typed..
"You can't compare a multiple carbed,pro stock,1200 HP or so HP combo to 400+ HP street/strip car."

my statement was based on what you said:
Originally posted by 1ss427:
If there is no gain then why did so many manufacturers put them on cars? I.E. GTO ram air, Cutlass w-30, Buick GSX, Mopar, Chevy everyone was using it it must have some sort of value. ..I didn't mention "your car"

..my statement is generally speaking smile.gif

..with 700 HP,I guess you don't fit into "the generally speaking" category,which you've all ready pointed out! And,with that in mind,700 HP still doesn't compare to 1200 HP

..and where is this post going?

Lighten up everyone. Tis' the season you know smile.gif 1ss427... I'm glad that you have a 700+ hp engine. I have nothing against the Ram Air setup. I was only offering my first hand experience with a 500+ hp SBC. It sounds to me like you're pretty set on getting a ram air setup for your ride. Your decision, your $$$. If you do go down this road I would encourage you to do back to back testing at the track keeping good records so you can see what the difference between the two setups really is. I got duped into buying an Air Raid setup for my diesel truck. More performance, better fuel economy, blah blah blah. $250 later it didn't do didly. We're just trying to offer practical advice that in the end may help you save a few bucks.

P.S. Tom's monte is probably making close to 700hp and you saw what he had to say about it.

Happy Holidays All!

The post started out fine simply asking where to get one or who already had one until every know it all on the site started chiming in on how it was a waste of money and there is nothing to gain, and it didn't work for me so it won't work for you, even though I don't have a clue as to what your running. And your right you tried it a whole 2 times and there could be NO possible way anyone else could make it work after all you guys are the foremost authority on this subject. Although it MUST work or NHRA and IHRA would not be using them, unless they are only after the COOL factor.

And there might not be a performance gain, but then again a gain in consistancy is much more usefull than a gain in hp or et, unless your not out to win and only after a certain time slip.

You're right. Your post wasn't asking about performance of a Ram Air box. Sorry to take your post off topic. You were asking if any one knew where you could get a ram air setup for a 68' Chevelle. The only thing that comes to mind is a guy up in NC that makes a reproduction of the original GM style cowl induction that was used on some of the mid-late 60's passenger cars. This is a single inlet breather that has a carbon fiber section to attach the breather to the firewall. It is necessary to cut a small hole in the firewall. I can't think of the guy's name but maybe someone else here will remember. He runs adds from time to time in the ACES magazine. I think his last name is Rudisel. This is a VERY pricey setup that I think is more targetted towards the restoration crowd. I believe it sells for between $1,500-$2,000.

For the record, I don't consider myself a know it all. However I do spend quite a bit of time working on the performance aspects of A body cars. I try to share my experience with people in hopes that they will benefit from what I've learned. Afterall, isn't that what this is all about?

Have a festive day.

Oh, BTW the 14x3 element was OEM paperkjett, I applaud your choice of paper.

Why spend more money for a filter that does not filter as well? Flow, you say? Do you really need "flow" when a 14x3 paper filter likely flows more than your carb is capable of flowing?

In my experience, K&N and similar filters are another item that falls in the "hype" category.

Whoops! Did I just open another can o' worms? ;)

Wow,

I must have missed something..

I don't know if the reference to "tried it 2 times" is referring to my statement, which all it was, a statement that it didn't improve my ET or mph with the 2 ways I tried it. Never anywhere do I state or even think that it can't work or improve somebody else's ET and/or mph.

I also didn't see anywhere that someone claimed to be a "no-it-all" ???

Caru68 - Thanks she's a fun ride..no dyno numbers probably never will be. I will likely be turning her up a notch this year as my street legal class Wed night racing is probably done since the lowered the ET break from 11.0 to 12.0....look for 10.40's next year.

no it wasn't it was in refference to Kjett.
Know-it-all in the sence that because it didn't work for them they automatically assume there is no possible way you can make it work.

Originally posted by 1ss427:
no it wasn't it was in refference to Kjett.
Know-it-all in the sence that because it didn't work for them they automatically assume there is no possible way you can make it work. Let it go, man. No where did I or anyone else here say that it would't work on any application. I said I thought it was a waste of $$$ and I still stand by that statement. That's my opinion based upon my experience and I'm entitled to it! I'm done posting on this topic. In fact, you won't have to worry about me posting on anymore of your threads. If I see your username I'll avoid it like a dose of the clap :D

Well,

I thought I was through posting on this thread until you decided to send me an inflamatory private message. I posted back here as a last resort since you are blocking private messages and don't have a valid email address in your user profile.


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great now i don't have to worry about your useless info cluttering up my thread.

p.s. you should go see a doctor about that clap thing then maybe a divorce lawyer.

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I tried the nice approach and that didn't work. After viewing some of your recent posts it's no surprise that you don't have a clue giving advice such as this to a first time bracket racer:

1ss427
Team Member
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posted 11-30-2004 10:51 AM If you are using slicks, remember hotter the better.

Oh yea, have fun, and when that last yeller lights up mash it through the floorboard and hang on!!

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"Don't bother looking in your rearview I'm way out in front, SEE-YA!"
From: Howell, Mi. USA | Registered: Jan 2003 | IP: | | Good luck with the new ram air system on your "700+ hp" 68' Chevelle :rolleyes: No doubt that the ram air will be worth another 100 hp and a full second in ET. Be sure to put the stickers that come with the Ram Air on your windows to get max performance.

Now I'm done posting here smile.gif

That advice was the same given to me by the current record holder at milan dragway.

Would you like to put your foot in your mouth again? you certainly must like the taste of it.

It is obvious you can dish it out but cannot take your own medicine.

Typical know it all jackass!!

And it's a 69 chevelle, again shows how observant you are.

I suppose you run your slicks cold? hhhmmmm. must be getting some good traction that way.

I'm sure your the current top money winner at your local track also, hey didn't i see you on NHRA today? maybe that wasn't you that guy actualy had teeth.

Originally posted by 1ss427:
That advice was the same given to me by the current record holder at milan dragway.

Would you like to put your foot in your mouth again? you certainly must like the taste of it.

It is obvious you can dish it out but cannot take your own medicine.

Typical know it all jackass!!

And it's a 69 chevelle, again shows how observant you are.

I suppose you run your slicks cold? hhhmmmm. must be getting some good traction that way.

I'm sure your the current top money winner at your local track also, hey didn't i see you on NHRA today? maybe that wasn't you that guy actualy had teeth. I'm glad you mentioned the source of your information about proper burnout procedure. It only confirms what I've already stated about you in this post:

I love it when people post on these message boards disputing people with first hand knowledge when they have none to offer themselvesYou're offering a first time bracket racer advice based on what you heard from someone else, not your own personal experience. You should be reading posts about first time bracket racers, not replying to them tongue.gif

And since you brought it up... You need look no further than the Oct 29th edition of NHRA National Dragster under the Division 2 listings to read about me. Not all people from Georgia have bad teeth smile.gif

When you get your full bodied 10" tire Chevelle running 1.45 or better short times (with stock suspension/bolt on's) then you can advise me on proper burnout procedures.

Yea also read that and wasn't impressed in the least bit. I'm sure you would tell a beginner to actually wait until the light turns green before easing into the throttle.

Originally posted by 1ss427:
Yea also read that ...Glad to see you've been following my progress. You can expect to see more of my name in that print next season graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Apparently your so full of yourself you missed the part where i state I'm not impressed by your toothless acomplishments.

Hey 1ss427,
You sound like a punk kid, insulting people on this thread the way you are. I never said I was a know-it-all and I also never said you were pushing 400 HP. I simply said it because the vehicles you listed were all hovering around that number. Not everybody has a "700 HP" motor like you do. Come to think of it, you are the one that sounds like the know-it-all. By the way, if you lookied into kjett's info, it is pretty impressive. My car hasn't been to the track, I just bought it at the end of the Summer, so no numbers yet. Where are your numbers? Must be really stout, running "700 HP" and all. People on this thread were simply trying to give you sound advice and save you some money. Well, I for one will not be offering you any more, and I'm sure kjett and mr 4 speed won't be either. Change your name to 1ass427, jerk.

Who said i was a first time racer? and that i never applied what was told to me?

there you go assuming again and again sticking you stinky foot into your toothless mouth.

By the way at least i have the satisfaction of knowing i built my car by myself not relying on GRIMES to do everything for me, talk about useless info...blah,blah,blah....

Originally posted by caru68:
Hey 1ss427,
You sound like a punk kid, insulting people on this thread the way you are. I never said I was a know-it-all and I also never said you were pushing 400 HP. I simply said it because the vehicles you listed were all hovering around that number. No everybody has a "700 HP" motor like you do. Come to think of it, you are the one that sounds like a know-it-all. By the way, if you lookied into kjett's info, it is pretty impressive. My car hasn't been to the track, I just bought it at the end of the Summer. Where are your numbers? Must be really stout, running "700 HP" and all. It is very stout and if you look deep into kjets website you will see he bought all his info and performance frome GRIMES, not much of a learning curve when you have some one hold your hand at the starting line until you get the hang of it.

Apparently the only punk here is the person caslling the other person that he knows nothing about a punk.

TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR, *******!

Originally posted by caru68:
Hey 1ss427,
You sound like a punk kid, insulting people on this thread the way you are. I never said I was a know-it-all and I also never said you were pushing 400 HP. I simply said it because the vehicles you listed were all hovering around that number. Not everybody has a "700 HP" motor like you do. Come to think of it, you are the one that sounds like the know-it-all. By the way, if you lookied into kjett's info, it is pretty impressive. My car hasn't been to the track, I just bought it at the end of the Summer, so no numbers yet. Where are your numbers? Must be really stout, running "700 HP" and all. People on this thread were simply trying to give you sound advice and save you some money. Well, I for one will not be offering you any more, and I'm sure kjett and mr 4 speed won't be either. Change your name to 1ass427, jerk. I'M SURE YOU'LL BE ON THE COVER OF NHRA IN NO TIME THOUGH WITH SUCH DEEP POCKETS MAYBE YOU CAN BUY SOME OF GRIMES KNOWLEDGE ALSO

Originally posted by 1ss427:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by caru68:
Hey 1ss427,
You sound like a punk kid, insulting people on this thread the way you are. I never said I was a know-it-all and I also never said you were pushing 400 HP. I simply said it because the vehicles you listed were all hovering around that number. No everybody has a "700 HP" motor like you do. Come to think of it, you are the one that sounds like a know-it-all. By the way, if you lookied into kjett's info, it is pretty impressive. My car hasn't been to the track, I just bought it at the end of the Summer. Where are your numbers? Must be really stout, running "700 HP" and all. It is very stout and if you look deep into kjets website you will see he bought all his info and performance frome GRIMES, not much of a learning curve when you have some one hold your hand at the starting line until you get the hang of it.

Apparently the only punk here is the person caslling the other person that he knows nothing about a punk.

TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR, *******! </font>[/QUOTE]Grimes built the engine that was in my car 4 years ago you dumbazz. I built the top end of the engine two years ago and will be completely assembling the entire engine in MY garage this winter (outsourcing only the machining). For your information I built my own TH-400 transmission which has made 125+ 10 second passes without a failure, as well as building EVERY bit of the suspension on my car AND doing ALL my own engine tuning and track testing. I picked the combination of parts that are running in my car. Sure I paid a pro to build my first real high end engine, and I don't regret a penny I spent on it. 5,000+ street miles and nearly 400 1/4 mile passes and the bearings looked like brand new when I tore it down two weeks ago. I've spent hundreds if not a thousand hours of MY time building this car. I made over 200 passes down the 1/4 last season alone. What are your accomplishment? I'm extremely proud of MY accomplishments and it burns my azz that you would make a comment like that when you know NOTHING at all about me or my ride.

You are an idiot. I know enough from this one thread to tell that you are a punk. First impression is usually the best impression, and the impression I get from you sucks! You went and personally attacked kjett on his personal e-mail! YOU ARE A PUNK! Go back and look at the whole thread, because you started this whole pissing contest by saying "Is that backpedaling I hear?" Have fun typing to yourself, Mr. Broker. I'm out.

Go back and follow the thread and read where both you jackholes started this nonsesnse to begin with, so to accuse me of the crap you started well that just shows your mentality....that of a 12 year old school girl.
page 2 and 3 incase you've forgotten.

up to that point i haddn't said one bad word then you two had to chime in saying i had no info on this and i don't know crap.
Is this how you reply to everyone who asks info?
you left me no choice but to defend myself.

I guess if anyone disagrees with the two master builders and racers on this site they must be a punk.

i was only giving you the medicine you where dishing out but apparently you can't handle the truth.

Originally posted by kjett:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 1ss427:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by caru68:
Hey 1ss427,
You sound like a punk kid, insulting people on this thread the way you are. I never said I was a know-it-all and I also never said you were pushing 400 HP. I simply said it because the vehicles you listed were all hovering around that number. No everybody has a "700 HP" motor like you do. Come to think of it, you are the one that sounds like a know-it-all. By the way, if you lookied into kjett's info, it is pretty impressive. My car hasn't been to the track, I just bought it at the end of the Summer. Where are your numbers? Must be really stout, running "700 HP" and all. It is very stout and if you look deep into kjets website you will see he bought all his info and performance frome GRIMES, not much of a learning curve when you have some one hold your hand at the starting line until you get the hang of it.

Apparently the only punk here is the person caslling the other person that he knows nothing about a punk.

TRY LOOKING IN THE MIRROR, *******! </font>[/QUOTE]Grimes built the engine that was in my car 4 years ago you dumbazz. I built the top end of the engine two years ago and will be completely assembling the entire engine in MY garage this winter (outsourcing only the machining). For your information I built my own TH-400 transmission which has made 125+ 10 second passes without a failure, as well as building EVERY bit of the suspension on my car AND doing ALL my own engine tuning and track testing. I picked the combination of parts that are running in my car. Sure I paid a pro to build my first real high end engine, and I don't regret a penny I spent on it. 5,000+ street miles and nearly 400 1/4 mile passes and the bearings looked like brand new when I tore it down two weeks ago. I've spent hundreds if not a thousand hours of MY time building this car. I made over 200 passes down the 1/4 last season alone. What are your accomplishment? I'm extremely proud of MY accomplishments and it burns my azz that you would make a comment like that when you know NOTHING at all about me our my ride. </font>[/QUOTE]All info that you yourself put on your website, don't blame me blame yourself.

Now you know exactly how I feel some one spouting off about me and my ride and you know nothing about me. boo-hoo for u


remember i never asked you or your idiot friend about performance of these units simply where to buy one you two started the whole shpeel about no performance factors before i ever said one word about the performance of these units just simply where to buy one, when you guys didn't care that i didn't care about your responce you both turned into little pissy pants schoolgirls,....MY DAD CAN BEAT UP YOUR DAD...type of thing


I could care less about your accomplishments they mean squat to anyone else but you! some day you may realize that but i highly doubt it.

We could go on all night like this if you'd like. It looks to me like you have to get the last word. Why don't you just chill out and let it go? I'm sorry for trying to give you real-world advice that I found out first hand. I gave you info on where to possibly get the parts that you needed to try to fabricate a ram air system. I only know kjett from TC, so I don't know where you come off calling me his idiot friend. Jesus, all I said to you was think before you type! Go see a shrink, and please do not privately E-mail me, because then we could have a problem. Not a threat, just asking nicely. I don't particularly care for you and the way you lash out at everybody like you do. You obviously cannot be reasoned with, since you stated that we started it, when you asked about the backpedaling you heard. Just so you know, I don't Bracket Race and I haven't actually raced since 1999, and that was a test and tune. I have a family and a house to pay for, so I do not have deep pockets, MR KNOW-IT-ALL. Now I am definitely done. Goodbye and have a nice life. I hope you will feel better when you get the last word in when I leave this post.

This looks like arguing just for arguments sake. graemlins/clonk.gif

Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed this week? graemlins/boring.gif

There are several good threads about the Ram Air Box and similar setups in the archives at www.camaros.net (http://www.camaros.net) I use one and picked up, so did some others. Go to the Performance section and search for "Ram Air Box"

I'll spare posting the details here since claiming better performance seems to fly in some folk's face like a big middle finger LOL

Happy Holidays !!

"This looks like arguing just for arguments sake"

no doubt.

For the record, I appreciate ALL the helpful advice that I've received from people like Kjett, Mr4speed, and MC71454 (not to mention alot more members). graemlins/thumbsup.gif

It's posts like this that make people not want to share their "real world" experience with the rest of us, which means we get to needlessly spend alot of $$ trying things that we otherwise wouldn't have.

Originally posted by Eric68:
I'll spare posting the details here since claiming better performance seems to fly in some folk's face like a big middle finger LOL
Claiming better performance is fine when it's backed up with some real test data. Please share your data. I'm open minded enough to listen to a fact based test comparison. I only stated what my personal experience was and that based on that experience I thought it was a waste of time. If you're fabbing up a low-cost home made ram air box that's one thing. If on the other hand you're dropping $400-$500 on a trick ram air box that's another. I think that in most cases that $400-$500 could be better spent elsewhere. Hey, different strokes for different folks.

Eric68 and Purs, you are right. This whole thing turned into a pissing contest. All I was trying to do was give some real-world insight on MY personal experience with a ram-air setup. People get touchy sometimes, then others get rubbed the wrong way, then you get this. I am also one to say that I appreciate all the info I have received on this site, and I hope that I can be of help to others, also. Sometimes, I guess it is better to just answer the question and not give my opinion. I got the big middle finger the last time I gave my opinion! :D

1ss427,

This pissing match is going nowhere, so it can stop right now.

We can all tell from the way you type your words that your either 1. young, or 2. immature at any age.

Now, since your debating expeienced members advice, how about we hear all about this 700 HP 427 you have??? If your who yo say you are and do have this kind of power, I want to hear the parts used and see the dyno numbers from this "Magic Bullet". I've run a 427 based combination for three years now and have gotten it to go as quick as 10.48 @ 127 (all motor, no power adder) with a 1.433 60' on drag radial DOT tires and full exhaust at 3600 lbs. Heck, this lil rat barely makes 580hp at the flywheel and only showed 418 hp at the wheels on the chassis dyno. I sure would like to learn a thing or two about what it takes to get 700 hp out of a 427.

Oh yea, I've had two different ram air setups on my car and spent two whole seasons tweaking and tuning the carb jetting to see any results...I saw maybe 1 to 1 1/2 mph and not even a tenth and wound up with an inconsistent car in the process. Took the air induction crap off, went back to my baseline tuneup and the car was suddenly consistent again.

I'll go into more detail on the setups later.

EDIT: somehow I doubt he's going to divulge the info on this mystery magic bullet :rolleyes:

I'm soooooo glad I took the time to share my experience, as I'm the one with the '68 ram air box setup. I offered this fella pics of the setup and details. He was not interested what so ever. I realize he was looking for a '69, but '68 would be the same setup. I wish my 439" had 700 h.p. I'm real curious to hear the details, especially with an R.P.M manifold. Guess there's a 300 horse pill in the jet. P.S. Can someone dyno my new 498"? I still think I'm short by 90 horses or so. Tony A.

actually Tony I was interested in your setup before the pissing match started. And yes i do appreciate your input.

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I am only here to state that you're all lacking skills in the "shyt talking" department. If you're going to argue at least be artful, tacftul and humorous about it so as to keep those folks on the sidelines entertained and engaged.

Sincerely,

You're friendly smack talkin' critic


:D ;)

Now, off to practice young Jedi's....train hard.