I have been chasing a noise around cylinder number one for a while-sounds like a solid with a bit too much lash.
This mourning I put on a cut down valve cover and started the motor-all the rockers(comp cams pro magnum) are moving the same amount but on number one waaaayyyy more oil is flow out the push rod holes on the rockers-intake and exhaust-the rest flow perfect
comp xr282hr cam
comp magnum pushrods
comp magnum lifters
http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/yellowheap/lifterpics002.jpg

did you run a compression check of this cylinder and check timing? this might give you a good start.

Wow that is alot of oil. Wonder if somethings wrong with a couple of lifters' internal metering?

If your bored, try swapping all the rockers from one bank to another - see if the noise goes to the other side.

your no 1 lifters working over time? what cam you using? did you break it in correctly? swapping lifters might answer question as last person stated.

I ordered a new lifter pair,C Cams wants me to send them the lifter.
compression is 200-205 on every cylinder(how I got them that close is pure luck)swapped rockers-push rods look good-I measered lift as close as i could,right at spec.
timing is 16 init-34 total plus 14 vacuum-plugs look great.
Roller so no break in.
The motor idles(14 inches at 750 rpm) and runs great,just that noise was buggin me or I would have never looked for it.
lifters preload normally-tried 1/4 to 3/4 turn-same noise,same raging river of oil.:confused:
I've seen no oil from lifters before but this is something new.
pic is at idle(45psi oil) you should we it at 3000-WOW

The following may or may not be connected to your problem but we use/build a number of units based on these "retro-hyd-roller" platfoms and just about all use Comps lifters.

You should contact Comp one more time and question them about using the "Pro-Magnum" series in an everyday "streeter" and occasional "racer"?

These are recommended to be run using ONLY .002"/.004" preload on the plunger and only AFTER the unit has been brought up to "operating" temps.

These are considered to be "anti-pump" lifters in the hyd-roller series.

We DO NOT use/recommend the "Pro-Magnum" series in any "standard" high-perf street/marine builds, THEY DO NOT FUNCTION AS A "TYPICAL" HYDRAULIC LIFTER DOES!!!

Your pair MAY be defective, but they don't really belong in the street deal! We have the 853-16's (SB) above 7000 RPM presently and the 854-16's (BB) above 6700 on the respective platforms!

On a side note here, there have been some very recent "issues" with Speed-Pro's retro series, BB specific. A few sets have been returned, we do not use this brand at all!

Thanks, Gary in N.Y.

P.S. The part number for the "streeter's" is 853-16 (SB's) and 854-16 (BB's with short lifter bodies). The taller, +.300" series, for the "race" blocks like the Dart's/Bow-Ties, use the number's 8953-16 (SB's) and 8954-16 (BB's).

I checked my records-the lifters are 853-16's
I ordered a new pair and put them in this mourning.
SAME PROBLEM:(
so it's not the lifter-any other idea's-I need help!!!!!
I've swapped rockers,pushrods and more or less preload-same flood of oil and noise
The lobes looked good and the old lifter also looked good-there was a bit of scuffing on the bodies,I don't know if that's something to look at- a roller doesn't spin where as if there is vertical scuffing on a flat tappet you got big problems:confused:

Just out of curiousity how long was it running when the picture was taken? It looks like the rockers next to the 2 in question have hardly any oil.

I started it up and took the pic,I had a remote start switch so were talkin seconds,the other 14 lifters all flow the same.
I'm gonna yank the manifold in the mourning and swap some lifters around just to torture myself.

Real light scuffing on the lifter body of a roller is normal. Real real light, can see it but not hardly feel it. Just enough to piss you off a little. Yeah, normal.

Gary in NY, why not run those on the street? As long as they're checked regularly, wouldn't that be a great compromise between the 6000rpm max of conventional hydraulic rollers and buzzin' a solid to the moon?

>> "....and swap some lifters around just to torture myself."

I like your sense of humor.

Just in case you get tired of torturing yourself you could always opt for the "do nothing" strategy. Put the valve cover back on and forget about it. Is it really a problem or just one of those things?

Gary in NY, why not run those on the street? As long as they're checked regularly, wouldn't that be a great compromise between the 6000rpm max of conventional hydraulic rollers and buzzin' a solid to the moon?

To keep with the original question here, let me say this and then come back to the quote: the large amount of oil flowing from the 2 rockers is indicative of what we see as "normal" when pre-lubing these 853's/8953's/854's/8954's, and have no issues to date.

The rockers NOT flowing the oil MAY be the issue, as I've stated here numerous times it's very hard to "diagnose" from photos!

I would recommend checking one more area! Clean all the oil from the tops of the poly-locks/set-screws and determine if the set-screws are relatively close with the number of threads showing. They should be almost dead even, assuming all the work has been done correctly?

Back to the quote, you need to draw some parallels with lifters.

First, the 853's/854's (and the +.300"s also) are designed to be a direct "standard-functioning-type" hydraulic lifter BUT with the "roller". This is a "maintenance-free" setup, and over here it DOES work, I have them out for around 10 years now. Have done numerous "freshen-up's" and have NOT changed/replaced any lifters.

Second, the 885's/887's (these are the Pro-Magnum's) are a comparable design to the older "anti-pump" hydraulic's but also with the roller. These are run with .002" (nom.) preload only, and that "disappears" for the most part when running for various reasons. This "adds up" to another roller-lifter that "leaves" the cam for "nano-seconds" and starts the path of destruction at the "axles". Also, these tend to run "very noisy" in "drivers/cruisers". I do not use these in ANY street-cars. They are good for "class" cars where the rules dictate the platform. NOT really considered a "maintenance-free" item here!

I had placed up here recently that we had the opportunity to remove from 2 units another brand of lifters (retro-hyd's) that neither customer was satisfied with due to the "ticking". They have the "High-Energy's" in there now and are very happy.

Busted Knuckles (Gary), not all solid-roller lifters get "buzzed to the moon". The 540" platform have an average peak around 6100/6500, depending on the cams (remember, these are "drivers"). We have the SB's (retro-hyd's) at 7000+ easily, see the photo below, he runs that coupe at 7200 constantly with the 853's inside. Been like that now literally for years, built back in '99, still the SAME lifters, the BB"s are at 6700/6800 with the 854's/8954's. Most of these BB's (retro-hyd's) "peak" at an average of 6300!

Thanks, Gary in N.Y.

P.S. I highlighted a section of the quote above to show why you would use the "maintenance-free" lifters and NOT the "anti-pumps". If you use a lifter that "requires" checking, go directly to the "solid-roller platform, pull the lifters and have them rebuilt/replaced. My customers' that are NOT true "racers" don't want to be working on their rides, they want to use them! "Racers" are another "breed"!

Double P.S. This "ride" below here runs low 10's at 3500# with the 355" under the blower, and "cruises around town" on 93! As I said above, the 853-16's are inside! He literally does little maintenance on this piece! Plugs and oil changes.

http://thumb8.webshots.net/t/64/564/0/48/93/2979048930044112208eCAuIr_th.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2979048930044112208eCAuIr)

Oldtimr-thanks for the info,the scuffing is visable only-if I run a fingernail across the marks It feels smooth as the un scuffed area,thanks for uplifting info:hurray:
The posi locks are all very even.
Now for the interesting part

http://i374.photobucket.com/albums/oo186/yellowheap/lifter2004.jpg

I swaped the NEW #1 pair for the #3 pair-I was wondering if it was a block problem-now I'm not so sure:confused:
as you can see there something funny(actualy it's not funny AT ALL) going on here.
I'm gonna send the old #1 pair to Comp along with some NEW info today.

That engine oil looks like it could use a change too.

Did you swap push rods too or did they stay in the same place?

That's interesting... maybe the #1 pair is the good ones, and the others are restricted somehow.

There is so much parts swapin that I'm gonna start a valve train swingers club.
Actualy the last swap was lifters only,that pretty much rules out any thing but the lifter.