well my freind just chassis dynoed his 1994 supra. made 618 hp, 17 psi, pump fuel. 808 hp race fuel, 30 psi. this is rwhp in a STREET LEGAL car that has 6 gears. can u say 200 mph.

Yeah can you say $20 grand....and itll never sound as cool as a blown BB.

Can you say, "Won't last 15,000 miles"? Can you say, "'Street Legal' and 'Streetable' are two different things"?

Comparing apples to oranges. You should really get therapy for that or something. ;)

Besides, with enough money, any of us could build a street legal BBC car that would do the same thing and last a lot longer.

Yeah, those imports are damned. And our cars are blessed to have lasted as long as they have. They'll still be here when those Supras have crumpled into oblivion.

I have been wonder the big WHY for the last 5 years on this. I know the import go fast stuff cost a lot more and is way less reliable. The only thing I can figure is the younger generation just wants to be different and have a challenge??? graemlins/clonk.gif Of course the bolt on after market manufactures look at this with $ $ in there eyes and have defiantly cashed in. cha-ching ;)

I'm only 28 and I sure dont think the're cool. Ive always been a hardcore muscle-car guy.

But hey, not everyone is impressed with Chrome in a can are we?

steve

i can relate. The whole import thing is just crazy. 4 cylinders and turbos/nos and thats about it. There are so many 'ricers' at my school it just gets annoying. That's why I started my website smile.gif

I'm 17, I own a 65, and I plan to own many more.

Can you say, "Won't last 15,000 miles"? Can you say, "'Street Legal' and 'Streetable' are two different things"? why do you say that. if that Supra was built right it should last maybe not a 30psi, and ive seen many 600hp+ supras that are very streetable. just turn down the boost if you want. my Malibu was my first car ( im 20 now) and ive recently gotten a 94 SL2, people are getting these cars to run pretty reliable on 14 psi and 300hp+, mind you this is moslty custome which is still cheaper then any crappy kit you can buy and a forged out engine. you can turbo anything also as long as your engine and cooling system is up to the task.

I'm sure the day will come when import drag racing fades away.

i know guys. but actually this is very streetable and should last quite a while. these I-6 bottom ends are pretty bullet proof from the factory. forged rods, crank and pistons. this hp is on a stock bottom end. honestly i have no problem with imports. half my freinds have muscle cars and half have imports. i was just amazed at the power this thing produced. but for the money we could build something with way more power and run way faster with the same amountof power.

Im 22 i wouldnt say the younger generation is all about the imports. I dont have one friend that is into the "import scene". We all have chevelles camaros and 442's. Give me the money that guy put into his rice rocket and ill build a engine/car that would smoke it. Ill give some props to the guy for makin that kind of power in a 4 or 6 banger but i just dont think its worth it. Like someone said before, wont ever sound a cool as a BBC.

618 RWHP on pump gas is stout for any car that doesn't have to refill the bottle.

thank u

I have a friend at work that had a '90 Supra putting out about 450-500hp. In the span of about 2 years he put almost 10G's in that car. I will say it was impressive, but the exspense was ,to me, a little high. What makes this really funny is what he drives now, a '95 Vette. He is tring to talk his wife into a Z06 with no luck, so far. Oh bty he just bought a brand new, dare I say it, 2004 Dodge Durango with the Hemi(nice).

I think 300hp is a closet import guy, trying real hard to "act" musclecar enthusiast. LOL

Oh , and real strong from the factory. Yeah at 250 hp not at 618. I give it a month before it's back in the shop and the bottom end is shot in less than 10K.

I think 300hp is a closet import guy, trying real hard to "act" musclecar enthusiast. LOL

DYNO QUEEN.

:rolleyes:

The more imports the better. The better my 66 chevelle looks when I rumble by with my 454 at wot!!!!!!!!

dennis,
closet import guy huh. well say what u will. i just respect more things than just muscle cars. why dont u come out of your cave. anything that can produce that kind of power deserves props. i love my chevelle i wouldnt trade it for anything in the world. wow buddy youve been here since november, ive been here since when, jun 2000. i think someone needs to get down from there high horse i give something other than a musclecar some respect. and what do you know about imports? anything that can make over 600 hp to the wheels and still get 20 mpg and be completely streetable deserves kudos. the bad thing is the car will only run high 10s due too the lack of tourqe.

The iron miners in my area know alot about imports and their effects, no rice in my yard please.

First off, 618 to 808 rwhp is impressive in any language! Second off, that is a power level that will only be achieved by a small number of street enthusiasts in either the import or domestic ranks. For the import whiners out there: get over it already, like how many 800 rwhp Chevelles are members here prowling around on the streets? Besides, while they are playing with their corn poppers doesn't that leave more Chevelles for you to play with? Next, look in the mirror - I see more Chevelle enthusiasts in their 40's 50's and 60's than in their teens, twenties, and thirties. Why do you think that magazines and some car shows have "young gun" awards - at the import magazines and car shows it is just about ALL young guns. As has been stated many times before, the younger guys are simply working with the cars that are more readily available and initially affordable to them. I'll bet it took a lot less than $20 to build that Supra engine, even so it does not matter because big hp big blocks add up the bucks too - I spent like $14k on my SC 468.

All that said, I expect to see some bitchin Chevelles in the future - maybe not so many on the street, but for sure at the drags and car shows.

Thomas

Isn't a Supra a $50-60K car anyway?

KBB says 17K in top condition too much for me to buy THEN sup up.

afterall,,,This is the performance section of www.chevelles.com (http://www.chevelles.com) NOT www.imports.com (http://www.imports.com) ,it belongs in bench racing if you ask me graemlins/thumbsup.gif Impressive maybe,,,belongs here...NO

its a 1994 so he paid 22k for the car and when he got it it made 45 rwhp he has put a total of 12k into mods including a fresh shortblock. with the 450hp it ran 12.07 at 118.

History repetes iteslf:

Let's start with horses, when the internal combustion engine came around the horse folks laughed and soon the horseless carages got faster and was the performance choice of many. The horse guys didn't like the horseless carages much at all.

Next, let's fast forward a bit to when the flat head became the performance choice, then came V8's and fuel injection and forced induction. During all this there was a big gas crunch and imports and small cubic inch hi-winding engines came about. Each transition the new was scoffed at by the old but the old was remembered and revered by the new. Not many here would say a bad word about a nicely done flathead hotrod. Moving on it's taken 30 years but the small cube forced induction has come of age. The V8 folks are no different than anyone from the past and many will badmouth the little engines for a long time to come...

Guess what? We are the hold outs and a few are keeping V8 large cube performance alive but the future is in the little guys corner. All the speed shops and parts manufactures have geared up for them. Get use to it, wheather you like it or not... Guess what, go all the way back to the horse and every kind of competition is remembered and still has followers. There's room for all of us to exist, it just takes an open mind.

Now I don't care for import cars, but if any car is making 600+ horsepower that still is commendable. I just disagree how people don't put it in perspective that classic cars were built to last vs. disposable unibodies and fiberglass galore. Classic car people use 30+ year old cars and in my opinion deserves more credit than an import with the so called latest and greatest of everything. I'll never buy an import though, nothing beats American muslce in my opinion. To everyone else, please respect my opinion in the sense of, don't tell me that I'm too biased because I'm interested in muscle cars and only muscle cars. Bottom line, don't tell me what to like or dislike, but fast is fast.

Chevelle 3500
Engine 8000
Trans 2000
Rear 1000
Blower/Turbo 4000
Interior kit 2000
Paint 2000

Total 22,500 and his total??
22+12=34,000

yes but that chevelle wont handle or do the top speed of the supra. listen im sorry i even posted this. obviously some cant yet handle that some ricer is making more hp than them. i know we can run faster with less power. all i was posting is that he made 808hp in a street legal car. im sorry lets move on. crap people.

Well boys i have to chime in on this...ill respect 800 hp where ever it comes from, but the fact is imports are ugly, they sound like ****, and being that i bet he has to turn that motor 10,000+ RPM to get those numbers, the motors toast in a few months if not the tranny. I wouldnt own a forign car if it was given to me, every new forign car bought is an american job lost. And all in all, the wing,bling and zing are just a fad that hopefully will soon pass.

actually redline is 7500 rpm. trans is good to approx 1000 rwhp rear end as well.

I can respect the hp from a toy,but thats about it.

300hp might not be happy that he started this thread (and yes, this is a bench racing topic), but I think it is funnier than hell the "two ships passing in the middle of the night" response it has received.

For those who haven't ventured beyond Detroit iron, that Supra 6 and manual trans is a stout setup that can reliably handle that level of power. Its been done by more than a few. With turbos it is not always necessary to have outrageous rpm, properly selected turbos can dial in a lot of low end grunt. I'm actually suprised that more V8 devotees have not gone turbo - although some of the magazines have given some ink to the 1,000 to 1,300 hp street twin turbo Chevy street freaks. Even so, at 7,500 rpm that Supra 6 is seeing less piston speed than a mid 6,000 rpm 383 Chevy - which will be more reliable?

At 600 to 800 rwhp any engine will be on a different maintenance schedule than a more ordinary performance engine. If seriously raced often I would expect a partial teardown and refreshening at least every season, whether Chevy or Supra - it is much easier to do this (and cheaper too), than it is to deal with a randomn mechanical catastrophe from a part that became too worn.

Who knows, maybe some of you will become motivated to build a 1,000+ hp Chevelle to show those of the wrong automotive beliefs the right path to performance smile.gif

Thomas

Thats some damn fine work. 800hp is a lot. Fun to talk about. But why?

I love turbos. They are excellent ideas. But seriously kids, lets put them on BIG motors! 600+ cubes and boost= more fun than the law will allow! Lingenfelter built a 2000hp Ecotec 4 banger. His comments? Bascially. Yeah, we built it, it runs, but its not a grand idea. Build a bigger one. Then you can make 4000hp. But, the 4 holer works.

800hp is a grand acheivement. I still just think its stupid though.

It seems around here you can't get a decent chevelle with paint for under 10k. A budget performance BB is like what 5-7k? Then you got trans, rearend, suspension rebuilds ect. A hopped up honda civic would be WAAY cheaper. I can see why the young guys like the imports. Lots of people would rather be bolting on go fast parts than restoring a drum brake front suspension or digging out the bondo the last owner stuffed on your quarterpanels.

Would I build a ricer? Never, but I can see the attraction.

I'd like to see some import guys do something with the Toyota 4.7l V8 out of the Tundra/Sequoia/LandCruiser. It's an all-aluminum, fuel injected hemi with 32 DOHC valves. Seems like all it would need is some good turbo rings on the pistons and a few turbos.

Only thing is, Toyota needs a 2-door RWD car to put it in. I don't think they make one.

Kinda like Dodge: Nice hemi, can I get it in something besides a truck?

thank you bomber. someone that actually knows what there talking and not blowing steam cause an import made some power.

^^Jason has caught onto the attraction. i bet most of you wouldnt drive my chevelle because its too rough for your tastes, the paints is peeling and there's rust bubbles here and there. i learned quickly that muscle cars are cheap, but i like my chevelle a lot more than my 91 integra. i swapped the engine in the chevelle already, rebuild front suspension, and made the car reliable from point a to point b. with the money i've spent i could have made the acura FAST, but it would never have the sound of my SBC, will never be rear wheel drive, and everyday people won't give me thumbs up and say "hey, nice exhaust, you captured that chainsaw sound perfectly" because that's what they think but it's not nice to say that to an import owner.

the point i'm trying to make is that a lot of us dont have the money to buy a truely solid chevelle and make awesome levels of HP/Torque but i still love the rumble and nostalgia that goes along with a V8 american built car. graemlins/thumbsup.gif


P.S. Someday .. . . .someday i will have a Twin Turboed SBC powered chevelle.

DUDE...... last gen supras SUCK. THEY ARE DYNO QUEENS :D it doesn't matter what they are putting out, because they always seem to run the same qt time at the strip. They are complete dogs off the line to IT'S PATHETIC! :rolleyes: lol seriously. All they are good for is top end and there is no where in the U.S.A where you are going to hit 200 and not get caught. :rolleyes: Except for maybe a few roads out west/southwest. Screw the imports. lol

Nope 300hp, im not jealous one bit. I just simply stated that i wouldnt have one of those forign cars shoved up my ass. If he makes 800 hp thats cool and i respect it AS LONG as theres no wing, no 22" rims that still spin at the stop light, and no 5" can muffler. I could never respect that.

nickle,
did i say you were? and they couldnt get it up your ass cause you allready got something up there.

The problem with the whole import scence is the stearotype. They like huge wings, decals, and mufflers that are 10x the size of their pipes. We like blowers, 4.88 gears and 600 ft lbs at 2000 RPMS.

The two things are totally different. The as someone stated earlier, you don't get that thumbs up from people driving around. I get people to talk to me at gas stations when I fill up. Plus the old car are an investment. Do you think that in 20 years someone is going to want to buy your tricked out lowered, custom painted, winged import? Where not talking about ferraris or lambos here.

Thats the way I feel. When I talked to an import guys they seem not to know what there talking about, granted not everyone is a 'book' of knowlegde. Like take this for instance. I'm talking to this guy who says he has like $200 dollars to spend on his hood. He says he wants to buy a carbon fiber hood. I say you could buy a nice cam with that. The response whats a cam? A little pathetic for someone who considers themself to be driving a performance car. Or people who say that a civic will run 10's stock becuase it gets through the gears faster. What is this?

Sorry for getting of track. This is a topic my pals and I always talk about and I've got a lot of ideas on it smile.gif

Originally posted by 300hp:
thank you bomber. someone that actually knows what there talking and not blowing steam cause an import made some power. What was the title of this thread again? "Damn Imports", yeah that's the one.

I'm certainly not "blowing steam" because an import made some power. They do it all the time. But they'll never have any soul, no matter how much power they make.

Show me that Supra in twenty years. I really want to see it then.

The fact is that these old dinosaurs that we know and love so much are all well over 30 years old today. And 95% of them have been abused like you wouldn't believe throughout their lives. They're still running strong.

So tell me about 800 RWHP all you want. That's impressive by any means. But more importantly, tell me how long that car can handle being abused with that much power.

I'm no horsepower freak. Shoot, I'm only putting out around 400 at the crank, and I'm happy with it. I sure as hell don't care if someone gets more out of his Supra. My car is at least as much fun to drive, sounds better, and turns more heads.

Don't post a topic like this and then cry about the responses. Especially with a title like "damn imports".

you want to see a pic of the car
http://idahostreetracing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3
there you go a stock looking supra

its the white one

Uh Oh... :rolleyes:

First the topic should have gone to Bench Racing with all the other tired import topics....

now

It seems like it should get pitched altogether. Cmon man, insults aint cool. It isnt your Toyota, so what do you care if people dont like it? Furthermore, there are a LOT of collector cars out there that barely make over 150 horsepower- but yet many still sell for over $100,000. I'll take one of those cars, like a classic Jag, over some 800000 horsepower Toyota anyday.

Import Topics = graemlins/boring.gif

at least one guy knows where to put his money, under the hood. I'm not a big fan of the spoiler though :/

That thing is a sleeper! As far as big wings, huge exhaust pipes & loud graphics go, don't you just hate it when you see that on a chevelle? (Pro-street)

When I go to a car show most of the muscle cars & street rods I see are probably 14-16 sec cars, but they are tubbed & have chrome headers ect so they must be fast... :rolleyes:

It's all the same. I like the supra its a clean car!

its a stock spoiler, what are you going to do. listen guys, i never said it was worth more, looked, better, sounded better. all i was simply stating is that it made 808 rwhp and that i thought it was impressive. i actually have arguments about every day with the guy about how my car is nicer and crap. im sorry if i was rude, i truely am. but i dont think its cool to bash others for what they drive or what the choose to do with there money. i would take my chevelle any day over his supra or any other car on this earth for that matter. i have the sentimentle value of building my car from a $250 peice of crap into what it is now. i know every inch of my car and thats something you can only get from building your own car. there is a certain pride that we get from building and restoring them. i was just posting that i thought it was cool for 3.0 liters to make 800 hp but i guess i was wrong. sorry for posting this and sorry for wasting your time.

"IdahoStreetRacing". Boy, isn't that cool? :rolleyes:

I'm even less impressed now. Street-racing is stupid, and advertising it is even more stupid. I don't care how many ponies the car puts out at the wheels.

I'm sure the car runs, but to advertise globally as a street-racer is pretty dumb.

I wonder who the '72 'velle belongs to? Another street-racer I guess.

You want to impress some people? Show us some time-slips. And if he runs under 12 seconds, like he should with that kind of power, show us more time slips after he complies to the safety regulations at the strip.

Originally posted by 300hp:
i was just posting that i thought it was cool for 3.0 liters to make 800 hp but i guess i was wrong. sorry for posting this and sorry for wasting your time. No sweat man! :D Definitely not a waste of time.

I find it entertaining as hell! And I'm sure quite a few others do as well, judging by the fact that it's on page four so quickly.

Don't feel bad about your post. Just understand that most of us find it more amusing than impressive. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

I don't think any of us are judging you. We're just having fun ragging on another girly car with more horsepower than it can handle. tongue.gif

i personaly have never street raced. i think its stupid. i just post there to chat with some freinds. yea they do. they will learn when they get in trouble or god forbid hurt somebody. we have had a couple people die here from it and they should have lived to see another day. just cause those kind of people are the ones that are my freinds doesnt mean i do it or think it right. thats what they do, its dumb yes, but i dont deserve that bash for it. i just wanted to show u a pic because i know stickers and body kits are whats flashing in your mind whenever you here imports. ill admit 90% of imports are a discrace to the auto industry but some deserve som respect. also that car will be caged this spring to comply with NHRA.

It's cool that it's a sleeper. Like everyone else says though there's nothing like the sound of a V8. No better engine period. But that kind of power is impressive, generally speaking, from a 6 cylinder. The thing that bothers me is a lot of the HOT WOMEN like imports and dislike muscle cars because of the stereo types. lol oh well. I myself own a 71' malibu and a 95' civic. I'll tell you what, the day i drove my malibu home, and any other day i drove it, I was always running late because i'd be getting compliments from people on my car and they just wouldn't shut up. lol It almost gets annoying after awhile. All i ever get with the civic is a insulting joke made toward it, or a nice set of flashing lights following me. And it's only my winter beater! lol what the f@ck?

Got a nice "**** on imports" sticker today that i will be putting on my civic. hahaaa :D

That'll make em think.
graemlins/thumbsup.gif

peg leg,
i completly agree with you. i love the sound of a v8. im just starting to think that girls are stupid, you cant understand them and u never will. i girl i was trying to date told me my car was ugly. that didnt last long.LOL

Wow what a post! graemlins/thumbsup.gif I checked out the import threads. I dont dislike imports as much as I used to. I forgot who said it but it was about not wanting to take the time to build the car yourself, just bolt on some stuff and go. Appealing and the easy way out :D The nice and HORRIBLE thing about our beasts is when ***** falls off, we force ourselves to fix it ourselves! Atleast I have, it started when I was poor smile.gif had to do it myself... Now I wont let anyone touch my ride! It's deifinately a different world imports... they talk different and dress different, it seems like a real bling MTV generation, im 24 and I never got into that stuff. Give me a Chevy guy, shoot even a Ford guy to talk to at the gas station and im set.
Oh yeah.... 800HP, not bad not baaaaaaad at all
:D

Originally posted by Jason_67_Beaumont:
It seems around here you can't get a decent chevelle with paint for under 10k. A budget performance BB is like what 5-7k? Then you got trans, rearend, suspension rebuilds ect. A hopped up honda civic would be WAAY cheaper.

Would I build a ricer? Never, but I can see the attraction. Yea but if you selected a 10 year old small block Stang or Camaro you could have a 13 sec ride for around $5k and it would eat that Honda alive. :D Remember you can add a mild NO system and run 11's easy and still be very reliable. Why would you compair value in performance using a 35 year old classic car as the basis to a late model Honda. :confused:

Originally posted by 300hp:
well my freind just chassis dynoed his 1994 supra. made 618 hp, 17 psi, pump fuel. 808 hp race fuel, 30 psi. this is rwhp in a STREET LEGAL car that has 6 gears. can u say 200 mph. OK don't get too excited, but went back and looked over all the notes and noticed no one challenged this. When you say pump fuel you imply 93 octane right??? Let's get real, 618 hp from a less than 3l engine on anything less than 110 octane is just not believable at all. It's still an internal combustion engine and has to deal with the same physics of energy. Unless we are talking about a 500 + CID engine... there is know way to get 600 hp at the rear wheels on 93 octane fuel unless it's spiked. Don't matter if it's Blown, Turbo or NO adder. The dynamic compression is what will stop you. Make me a lier, prove it. ;)

paul,
i really hope you are kidding me. boost. you can do anything with boost. its not even boost really its the huge amount of air that a turbo, super charger, can cram into an engine. look at top fuel. what are those? like 500 cid making like 7000hp!!!! have you read the latest hot rod? pro stock vs pro import? those toyotas have supra motors making 1650 hp from just 189 ci.

300, I was going to let this die, but since you went and insulted me, I'll hit it one more time. First, 808hp streetable? If you had ever made serious horsepower, just once in your life, you would know that there is huge difference between streetable and street driveable. You could drive a top fuel on the street, once. There is no way you can run 30 psi on race fuel everyday, that is what streetable is. Also streetable, who legally smogs this car, cause it won't pass at my station. Has this guy ever had to run to Napa for parts late at night, not in stock, didn't think so. All these factors go into what makes as a car streetable. By the way, just cause I only registered a few months back doesn't make me one of the many kids hiding behind a keyboard. I have actually built more HP motors than you have ever seen. Impressive, try twin 540CI supercharged making over 1200HP each in 32ft. 120MPH in 3ft of chop in the pacific. That is impressive. Go back supertuner.

My girlfriend has a turbo Supra that's got over 500 rwhp. Runs 11.60's at 120.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/472959

600 hp sounds impressive for a ricer, or any car for that matter, but as stated before, give me that $20,000 and I'll build a 1500 hp beast that would crap all over that little piece of ...... :eek: and it would sound really good doing it. I saw a ricer at my local track the other night and when he ran the 1/8th, I simply felt embarrassed for him and everyone at the track watching... :D I don't get it either. :confused:

What's funny is folks with these mega-dollar turbo'd engines that don't go any, or much faster than my relatively inexpensive 435HP 427 at the track. Whats up with that? I mean on a "dollar-weighed" basis, it's fluff.

I mean with 600+HP, I'd expect 10's, right???

Cool car anyway; I thought about a nice used Acura 4 dr sedan that I'd throw a new blown mill in. Cool daily driver. Something I can't say about my Chevelle!

Originally posted by onovakind67:
My girlfriend has a turbo Supra that's got over 500 rwhp. Runs 11.60's at 120.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/472959 Damn, bro. Those pics are enough to make me reconsider my position on the whole import thing :eek: That car ain't bad either.

Originally posted by kjett:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by onovakind67:
My girlfriend has a turbo Supra that's got over 500 rwhp. Runs 11.60's at 120.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/472959 Damn, bro. Those pics are enough to make me reconsider my position on the whole import thing :eek: That car ain't bad either. </font>[/QUOTE]Should have a not "work or wife friendly" warning too!! ;)

Originally posted by 300hp:
paul,
i really hope you are kidding me. boost. you can do anything with boost. its not even boost really its the huge amount of air that a turbo, super charger, can cram into an engine. look at top fuel. what are those? like 500 cid making like 7000hp!!!! have you read the latest hot rod? pro stock vs pro import? those toyotas have supra motors making 1650 hp from just 189 ci. I read the article on the wj vs high end. Did you notice they never raced.. graemlins/clonk.gif Sells lots of copies for sure.

Well I know bit about boost. One example was my '90 Mustang with over driven Paxton had peak 8psi boost and it needed 100 fuel when raced otherwise it was "rap brap" city. This was a dailey drive that had 243k miles on it when sold in 1997. I drove this to the track with slicks in the back seat, bolted them on and ran 11's. If you have some older Popular Hot Rodding mag's. Oct 1991. pages 47,48 and 74,75 and 94. In 1991 after I won the race here at Moroso. Always nice to have your junk in a National mag. :D Also had a sidebar article how I used boost.

My last word is suggest you read up on BOYLE'S law. Here's a nice link. graemlins/thumbsup.gif
boyle's law (http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/boyle.html) The physics involved with increasing pressure and temperature force the results.
Boost is great HP increaser, but is not free and with out a doubt requires additional octane. Sure you can make the power, all I'm trying to point out is I don't see how that could happen on 93 Octane "pump fuel".

hey guys,i thought of some really cool things to do to my chevelle!it takes a lot of imagination too!i'm gonna put some t.v.'s on the back of my bucket seats and install a video game machine!then i'll get someone to fab up some cheesy fiberglass for the interior and the subwoofers so it will look like someone crossed the star trek enterprise with a sea-doo!bling!bling!look out ladies,here i come! :D

WOW! Many of you guys is one reason domestics are so hated among import and sport compacts. The other reason is cause 90% of them lose to domestics LOL ;) Seriously... I read alot of these posts and frown on people's closed mindness... sure you may think an import is ugly, but still 600 rwhp on a streetible car with all the luxeries of AC, radio, plush interior, power accesories in any vehicle IMO is impressive. I'm 26. I had a 10 second trans am... built 2 AWD talon/eclipses... one ate 75% of the domestics out here for lunch which was just un heard of around here in 1997. Now am just finishing stage I of building the chevelle for 9's. Next winter I will begin my 98 240SX buildup with a RB25DET swap. The reason that is on hold is because it will cost me more then my budget built chevelle and I am not made of money. My cars are built with brains, lots of junyarding, blood, sweat, tears, and used parts. My chevvel cost is at 8500 right now... a bout 7500 if you count the money I recieved for selling the original 350, th350, and rear end. So think of me what you will... both arenas have their cool folks, knowledgable folks, and their morons invoved.

For you guys ripping on the 2JZ (supra) engine. Way to stick you foot in your mouths. A STOCK (Never cracked open... no mods... factory direct!) 2JZ can make over 900 rwhp with no problems what so ever :eek: And the kicker is it has been done over and over again. How many stock BBC's you see boasting that? Probably none. If you have ever ripped down a 2JZ the rods are as beefy as any aftermarket domestic rod. The fasteres are all ARP quality driectly from the factory. The TT heads look much better then even most out of the box aftermarket domestic heads. No offense guys, but the 2JZ I-6 is one of the toughest motors ever built. One of my friends has a stock 2JZ dropped in his toyota pickup... untuned it made over 700 hp to the rear wheels with a single turbo swap and ran a 10.5 quartermile spinning the tires the entire length of Rock Falls Dragway. Best part is that the short block is a stock NA motor he got for 300 bucks, head is a TT head he got for about 5 bills... check out his page. http://www.supertmotorsports.com/dave.html BTW... the 132 mph blast was on 5 cylinder with a bad injector and a mushroomed piston. Also don't read the page wrong as Dave isn't some import guru pro. He works a very unimpressive/under paying day job that is not auto related and makes turbo headers and such by night.

In closing I love both a well built import and a well built domestic. IMO there are lots of imports running around with cheesy sticker and wings... well that isn't really any different then those guys running jacked up rears with air shocks, louvers, and side pipes back in the day. They are trends that the people involved with think are cool, but now that you look back I know alot of you go WTF was I thinking LOL tongue.gif Turbos are the future... looks at the big dawgs in pro mod or even some of the other classes. You see alot of twin turbo big cube small blocks and in por mod a ton of 1-105 big blocks.

Man this post is making me laugh so much. I swear a bunch of people here are threatened that an import can make power. 618 rwhp on pump gas, believe it. This isnt 1970s low tech parts we're talking about. Its turbochargers, front mounted intercoolers, high flow injectors, anti-knock sensors, etc, all on 94 octane or less. There are some DSM's that are making 450ish whp on pump gas and water injection, out of 2.0L of 4banger engine to boot.

Those who think 800 rwhp wont live, think again. The stock bottom end (crank, pistons, rods, etc) are good for 1000 hp. Mike Carlin's Supra dynoed at 980 rwhp and 746 rwtq on the stock bottom end, with race gase and nitrous. He drives the car in 800ish hp trim all the time. People run some insane power levels on stock trans and diffs all the time. Yippy. A low displacement turbo engine is much easier on parts than a 250 shot nitrous hitting 572 BBC.

Cost? Its not all that expensive to get these cars into the mid 400 rwhp range with little cost at all. BPU (Basic Performance Upgrades) is all it takes. Boost, intake, exhaust. Its when you start going to new cams, FMIC, new turbos, or a big single turbo, fancy computers, engine drowning fuel systems, and all the stupid chrome and pimp gadgets in the engine bay does the price really start to take off. But the people that own these cars are rich anywyas, since Supra's arent no cheap car.

I think some need to open their minds a little and read up on some of the other cars out there. So the Supras make huge power. Big deal. Have you seen the dyno sheets? Like 250 hp till about 4500-5000 then the boost comes in and it peaks fast. The cars blow ass at the track. Especially the 6 speed cars. Big single turbo, with no bottem end torque, a 6 speed, and IRS = a fat pig off the line. That 980 rwhp Supra ran only 10.1@138 with a slightly lower power trim (without the nitrous i believe), with an automatic. You need an auto and a solid rear end to get these cars to run decent at the track. But most are too stupid to figure that out. They all go for dyno numbers :rolleyes: , and a manual robs less.

oh btw. Someone said something about the Toyota V8s. They have been used. Matt Scratton used one to be the first Import to break 200 mph in the 1/4. A few guys used the engine, and got some pretty decent times out of them.

SS454... you made some good points. I think alot of the import scene... even those really knowledgable are behind in some of the basics. Alot of their cars would be far faster with some domestic old school tricks. I think alot of the turbo cars use race gas and big timing advances to hide some flaws in engineering/building.

Supras are unfortunetly heavy cars... about 3800 lbs and are EXTREMELY nose heavy. Their suspensions aren't usually set up for drag racing either. But I forget who has it, but there is that Supra running in DR classes that has hade the drag radial ET record a couple times now. 8 seconds on a DR... now that is pretty sweet too. A manual also is never ideal for a drag car... especially one with a turbo. Big turbos are hard to spool up quick, although Sound Performance's new selection of turbos with the GT42 turbine wheel are extremely impressive in spool up. Even the big dawgs running turbos and v8's alot of times run nitrous to aid spool up. It is just the nature of the beast.

Originally posted by onovakind67:
My girlfriend has a turbo Supra that's got over 500 rwhp. Runs 11.60's at 120.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/472959 Wait...you live in CA and she's in FL?? :confused: I'm sorry bud...but I would be moving to Orlando right away for that piece of tail graemlins/beers.gif

Originally posted by pcs0nsq:
My last word is suggest you read up on BOYLE'S law. Here's a nice link.
boyle's law The physics involved with increasing pressure and temperature force the results.
Boyle's law is nice and dandy to have lingering in the back of your head...if you are dealing with ideal gases. In this case, we aren't. Many more thermodynamic laws have to be payed attention to in order to build/understand/relate boosted models.

Yes, us engineers love to simplify things...hell, if I could get away with it in my calculations, I would make a horse round to calculate it's weight :rolleyes:

Joe

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/472959 [/qb][/QUOTE]Wait...you live in CA and she's in FL?? :confused: I'm sorry bud...but I would be moving to Orlando right away for that piece of tail graemlins/beers.gif

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Nice :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

IF we want to get into HP battles, take a LS1 with a twin turbo set up.........


Lets see, 10 K for the 98 and up z28, 3k for a rearend, T-56 will hold up, but need a grand for a clutch,

Put 15K in the engine, AKA, 427... with lets say twin turbo....

Ummm by by supra.... for about the same money.

Theres nothing and I mean nothing that will touch a new LS1 given the same money invested. I mean you can add 1K in add ons to an LS1 and have 400RWHP. Its nutz what this engine can do. Its the future....

I wish GM would make a rearend that is worth 2 bucks and a clutch that will hold up.

The greatest thing about old cars is they have the tranny's, the rearends etc to put up with the power their making. New cars have the power but dont have the drive train.

Didn't a 454 HO crate motor with an ATI procharger make like 850 HP awile back in either Car Craft or Hot Rod over the summer?
Anyway,Captain Crunch and SS454..good reading.Imports ain't my thing..I'm a musclecar and old Caddy guy all the way...but a fast,streetable car is a fast streetable car,and I respect that.I have a good friend that has a 2001 Audi A6 2.7 with twin turbos..modified with 18 lbs/boost PER turbo..with a 6 speed..and its all wheel drive and heavy..but it sure is one fast car..you can't hear a damn thing...totally whisper quiet,even with the boosted turbos...it just feels like an 800 lb gorilla pushed you back in your seat when it gets going.He drives it everyday,rain,snow or shine,and it has every creature comfort known to man.

I like the Supra, it would look fine in my garage sitting next to my Camaro and waiting for a Chevelle to join them. I had a Supra before, actually 2 of them. They are great cars. I love old muscle cars but honestly to me any car putting 600-800 hp to the rear wheels is a muscle car. onovakind67, :eek: :eek: :eek:

Does not matter to me what kind of car it is(nice numbers).Im old school but there is some neat cars out there which means imports as well.A true car guy likes all types of cars.

300HP, your a dink trying to insult me, go home bozo.
Oneofakind.....dude, if that really is your girlfriend.... you better move to florida....and if you dont i will, .....she sure isnt afraid to show off her ASSets eh?? :eek: graemlins/clonk.gif :D

thank you to some of you. some are very closed minded and thats fine. im sorry if i insulted you i didnt mean it. i was quite upset lastnight that all i did was say that i though it was cool and people basicly told me i was stupid for thinking it was cool and trying to prove that it wasnt possible when anyone that knows more than just v8s knows that these engines can produce it and handle it with ease. but i appologize for what i have said to nickle, and to dennis. i am very sorry that i had insulted you. and if i had done it to anyone else im am sorry.

also dennis you started it by callin me an import boy.

300HP,don't sweat it Dude..you're all right in my book smile.gif

thanks, i was thinking about leaving this board but theres alot of you guys that are pretty cool and even though i havent met you i would call you freinds.

Even though I like the looks and performance of a few of the imports, I couldn't drive one if my life depended on it!!!

At 6' 5" and 342lbs I don't "fit" the import cars period!!! :D

AND I DON'T WANT TO!!!

AMERICAN MUSCLE FOREVER!!!

Originally posted by 300hp:
paul,
i really hope you are kidding me. boost. you can do anything with boost. its not even boost really its the huge amount of air that a turbo, super charger, can cram into an engine. look at top fuel. what are those? like 500 cid making like 7000hp!!!! have you read the latest hot rod? pro stock vs pro import? those toyotas have supra motors making 1650 hp from just 189 ci. Thats with nitromethane too.

Sorry man but at 6'5 342lbs you cant really fit in muscle cars either. I believe your car of choice would probably be a Ford Excursion. Im 6'2" 250 and i dont fit my Nova without having to squeeze past the roll bar to get in. And before i switched to a small steering wheel i couldnt shift cause my knee was cought between the steering wheel and the V-gate shifter.

Should we make a new rule. No import posts... :D look how many posts have been generated all because the mentioning of a import. Although I can't point fingers because I'm guilty also huh...lol ;)

Here I go into this fray. Making 600 hp to the tires is damn impressive, for any car is it very streetable, probably not (agreed easier with FI and a turbo). Most imports are way to damn expensive to build for the power that they put out, and most of these kiddies are running front drivers (wrong wheel drive) as a drag car, at least this car is a rear drive. I would love to see this Supra even come close to getting all that power to the ground with those itty bitty tires. I do have a question for 300HP though, what was the torque it put out and what was the RPM ? Most import spin the the crap out of there engines to get good HP numbers but make little to no torque, which is what moves the car. To put it in persective I would rather have 550 lb/ft at 2800 with only 450hp than to have 250 lb/ft @ 6000 and 600 hp @ 8000. Hosepower is a formula, torque is real world numbers that get you moving.

BTW let me take a 350 SBC, a approprate sized turbo, intercooler, Fuel Injection, and 20 k I'll build you something that makes torque and better hp numbers. It is all in the technology, which is why I do pay attention to the import cars, we can all learn new ideas and you never can tell where it will come from, that is for the more narrow minded among us.

let the replys begin! graemlins/waving.gif

I am more impressed with some of the V6 Turbo '86-'87 Buick GN's that have been built.

Here's a dyno run of one (heavy mods), and he smokes the slicks on the rollers. Pay no attention to the "snail" things though.... :D

http://fasttrackperformance.com/page5/Chow%20movie%20files/ChrisTTGN.wmv

1076+ HP at the wheels (would of made more if no tire spin) on a pushrod motor (that runs the quarter in 8.3 seconds @166mph) is more impressive to me than a 800 horse, DOHC Supra. I'd bet that the Buick was cheaper to build too.

Oh, before someone starts saying its unfair because the Buick is twin turbo'd....don't. Stock turbo'd Supra's come with twin turbo's from the factory, most owners looking for more HP convert to a single turbo setup. That's their choice.

Funny thing about supras, all that power and they still only run 11s.

Unfortunately I like all sorts of different cars for different reasons. However, the import cars I like the most have no pistons.

Originally posted by bluerebl:
I am more impressed with some of the V6 Turbo '86-'87 Buick GN's that have been built.

Here's a dyno run of one (heavy mods), and he smokes the slicks on the rollers. Pay no attention to the "snail" things though.... :D

http://fasttrackperformance.com/page5/Chow%20movie%20files/ChrisTTGN.wmv That's actually a SBC under the hood, it really pisses off the turbo buick guys. But anyway...


It seems like many are missing the point. Post after post mentions how much they could do with that money. For one thing it seems that people have forgotten how expensive our cars can be at times. Sure they might be cheaper to buy and cheaper to make basic mods to, but the expense to become increasingly competitive can be damn high - sometimes it seems exponentially so :( . Second, it's their money, and they can waste it however they want. It's their personal preference, just like our personal preference are muscle cars. Would you guys go out and by a DSM if I told you that you could make it faster then your muscle car for cheaper? Probably not. Even if it was cheaper you would still go with what you prefer, right? I know I would.

About durability. Yes it's a small 3.0L I6. Have you ever seen the bottom end of a Chevy I6? It only has 6 pistons but it has 7 main caps. Now think of that sort of bottom end that has been over-engineered. They really are strong enough to take 1000hp and beyond. Sure they can break - any engine putting out that kind of power can break. It would be plenty streetable though. It's just the nature of turboed cars. If 800hp is too much for you on the street, you can adjust a knob from inside the cockpit that changes the pressure seen by the wastegate. If 800hp or 600hp is too much, just turn the knob all the way down and you get a much more friendly 300-400hp (or whatever you set the lower limit too). I sure wish I could cruise around at medium hp in my car and then just turn up the knob for full power when I actually need it :D . What a gas saver that'd be...

I am a muscle car fanatic. The sound of a big cube V8 rumbling through a good exhaust quickens my pulse. I sit in my 455 powered 69' Delta88 in the mornings while it warms up, just enjoying the sound it makes. I absolutely love old cars. I have also come to love the sound of superchargers whining and turbos spooling. While it's not the same sound that a nice rumbly V8 makes, it's a very distinct sound. When I hear the sound of the turbine/compressor screaming like some sort of insane saw trying to cut it's way out of the car over any other sound produced - I love it.

I'm 24. I love old cars and I will probably never again own anything other then something old that I really love. But I still respect imports for the things that they are doing. I would never own one, but it's only fair to give them respect. I can't critisize them for the ammount of money they spend. All I have to do to see how that is not fair is to remember how much I have spent on old cars - It's no small number.

Please guys, try to have a little empathy.

delete, delete, delete, I thought this was Team Chevelle. graemlins/sad.gif

Thats what I said way back when :mad: , they ban Ed,but let crap like this go on and on...go figure :rolleyes:

That's actually a SBC under the hood, it really pisses off the turbo buick guys. But anyway...Sorry to perpetuate this OT nonsense, but I do have a little Buick blood left in me and must reply to that one! See below for an example of something I would much prefer to a Supra (and yes I've driven a few, full-throttle on a test track no less)... even if it won't go around corners! Mid 8s and "streetable" out of a lil' ol' AH-MARIKIN V6.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/HTP_0403_BUICK/

Originally posted by 72Stingray:
Sorry to perpetuate this OT nonsense, but I do have a little Buick blood left in me and must reply to that one! See below for an example of something I would much prefer to a Supra (and yes I've driven a few, full-throttle on a test track no less)... even if it won't go around corners! Mid 8s and "streetable" out of a lil' ol' AH-MARIKIN V6.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/HTP_0403_BUICK/ I agree, I would also take a grand national over a supra. But really they are still too new. I think a 66-67 Grand sport would be more up my alley. Maybe with a nice turboed 455 ;) .

Q Ship,
600hp @8000 RPM = 394 ft/lbs

550 ft/lbs @ 2800 rpm = 293 hp

I will take the low rpm grunt monsters we all love here.

Yeah, but I'd still like a cozy, comfortable daily driver, Bose, A/C, leather seats, etc, with , OK, I'm not greedy, 450 hp under the hood.

I think that's cool. No bling bling stuff, a "sedate sedan" with a bit o' gorilla under the "bonnet". I keep thinking about picking up a nice Acura one day ( way used) preferably with a blown mill, and then redo the mill, and make it BLOWN! Kinda like Chris's buddy, but again, something a banker would drive.

It would feel odd, and rather ambivalent, to wax some American muscle in a daily like that. :eek:

With the 9 speaker Bose pounding out SRV, and the A/C on! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

And while the engine mods are much more than my $3000 L88 shortblock, its still ALOT less than a $80,000 AMG sedan buds.

And as far as the current 'bling-bling" stuff, I have to admit, it looks better , or is the lessor of two evils, than the "M50-15s, spring shackles, glasspacks hanging down" look of my youth.

on the pull with race fuel it made 650 ft lbs at 6000 rpms. GN's are cool too, i have anothere freind that has one. their dynoing it this month.

Hey Dave Mizell do you go to Ursinus college?

I have a 1999 Honda Accord V6 that I drive to work. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the engineering and quality in that little power house, but when we are on a muscle car sight it seems awkward to discuss 900 horsepower Celicas from the factory graemlins/clonk.gif . It's a real shame that these cars that can have so much major horsepower have to sound so bad. Every one of these lowered ricers in my area (Houston) have these single Flowmaster pipes sticking out the back and really sound pitiful when they get on it. Most of them sound like an untuned motorcycle. And what's up with the 3' diameter bass thumping speakers in the trunk. :mad:

Can someone tell me where I can get my "bolt ons" for my Honda so I can get to around 750 horsepower. From the sound of some of this discussion, it should be relatively easy. Oh what the heck, let's make it an even 1000 hp. Should not be a problem, right ? :cool:

300hp, no offense at all intended and I am actually glad you posted this. I do truly find it amazing that these cars can produce that kind of power. I had no idea. You have nothing to apologize for, we have been pretty harsh, but after all we are muscle car guys ;)

Enough sylacone and paint and we could all look like that :eek:

Hey Doggy,
No, but I only live a few miles from Ursinus.

Well NHRA calls it "Stylefest" right! It's all about da hip hop culture dog and old school guys like us just don't know how to bust a rhyme.

I never seen a white boy poser with crack pants and a sideways hat that looked the part. Drop him off in the real ghetto and he'd go pee-pee in his panties.

Ricers F-in suck..........period!

Seeing as I work for v6 performance INC and we do v6 hondas and acuras, I'll jump in here smile.gif

Imports are exellent cars! Better then domestics when daily driving and reliability are concerned. Take these hondas for example, a 99 accord v6 like texas70 has. 3.0L, 200hp, 195lbs/ft, 25-30mpg[I've owned 2 so far] Wanna up the power? No problem, honda has you coverd! Take one 89mm bore block [3.2/3.5L] add one 93mm crank [3.5L] add some type-S heads, 03 MDX intake manifold [variable runners] 03+ newer accord cams, some headers, 10:1 compression, and somthing to play with the ignition timing and fuel tables and presto! You've got 300hp to the wheels using ALL STOCK PARTS. You'll also have around 250lbs/ft of torque, more then enough for a daily driven FWD. Texas70, you want 750hp? I can do that :D 1000hp might take a little more work though.....

Whats the problem its about engineering all of our cars are powered by the same concepts a gasoline powered internal combustion engine with a few exceptions. You dont have to like the car he is driving but those are respectable numbers. If it was a turbo corvette with 800 hp you would all be like oh **** cool. The "hot" cars of today are based off of the hot cars of yester year aka ours. Any one every question why all of these cars have rear spoilers when they are front wheel drive? No. Funny. If thats the car they want to pimp out let em have it. But their turbo 6 cylinder with 80lbs of boost wont go as fast as well prepped big inch motor. He has more money so he can play let him. What do the fastest drag cars in the world use? 500 ci hemi style motors that run 50+ lbs of boost via an 18-71 blower and would **** on that guys car in the 1/4 he passed them from start doing 180mph. No cubes=no threats, $ makes the difference so chill out and let them learn what can make more then 1200hp without flying apart.
Sorry got a little agravated with you all attacking that poor kid.
Dane

Originally posted by bored&stroked:
Texas70, you want 750hp? I can do that :D 1000hp might take a little more work though..... Yes, and it would take a "little more work" for me to get 5000 Hp out of my 454, but why ?
If it took what sounded like a major replacement/overhaul of what I have now to get to 300 Hp in my Honda, I cannot imagine how many parts and how much money it would take to even reach 500 Hp.
I of course have no intention of modifying my Honda. It's a great car that runs very well and all without a "fart" muffler sticking out the back.

300hp made it sound as if it were a very simple task of a few bolt ons to a stock Toyota motor to have an 800 Hp Chevelle eating beast. :confused:

I think I will just put on some crack pants, turn my cap backwards, glue a giant bass speaker to my trunk and pretend I have a cool car with big HP. graemlins/clonk.gif

Are we having fun yet ?? :D

Nice clean ride - I'd look at it - and would love to have a ride in it. Better yet - take the keys and my wife down to Niagra Falls for the weekend. Grand touring - European style.


Open your mind - nothing will fall out.

MAT

MAT graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Personally I don't like imports. I never have nor never will own a foreign car. If you gave me a 4 million horsepower supra i'ld sell it and buy some good ol American cars smile.gif

However so long as it doesn't have the huge muffler that sounds like crap anyway, 26" rims with rubberband tires, a 2 foot high spoiler, 2000 wat subs, 400 stickers, TV's and lights everywhere and so on i wouldn't usually put down an import so long as the owner knows its "role". A civic is an economy car, you can add all the addons you want but its still an economy car and nothing more. I'm not "affraid" of imports as someone was saying about others. For half the cost of that supra you can build a car that will kill it in the 1/4 mile.

This is only my third or forth post here and i'm hoping import posts are extremly rare. On a chevelle forum where the talk is about American SBC and BBC anything forieng IMO is out of place and unwelcome IMO. There are forums for import fans and i hope this stuff isn't welcomed around here smile.gif

As a side note i'm not a "old timer" either. 19 years old with a 91 F150 as my daily driver and a 70 chevelle I plan to begin restoring in spring smile.gif

This is only my third or forth post here and i'm hoping import posts are extremly rare.

If you look at the number of replies to this post you will see it's a very popular subject. Don't worry, it will fade into the background just like all the other import posts.
Have you considered the fact that 25% or more of your posts concern imports and your concerns about them? That's probably the highest percentage on the board.

i well it is kinda easy, takes alot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and someone that knows how to tune with a laptop. i never said it would eat a chevelle either. the sad thin is he will only run probly low 11s cause it has no lauch capabilities and he can drive worth crap.

hehe, i tend to post more about stuff i disagree with than what i agree with. Usually, from what i've seen in other boards, its the posts most people dislike or disagree with that get the most attention smile.gif

To cold to work on my car ATM so i havn't been posting with questions and since it is my first car haven't been posting with information to help other question. Just been reading up on as much as i can so i know whats ahead of my this spring and on smile.gif

It's probably good to let this thread die. I'm happy to see that quite a few recognize that there is more then one way to skin a cat. Yet I am still saddened to see so many people still so very Xenophobic. :(

Oh well. At least there seems to be some good that came from this thread besides the bickering.

my dad is a retired u.s. steelworker.ask him what he thinks about imports.imported steel(and cars) did'nt put food on our table when i was a kid. :mad:

Bowtie455,

I don't mean to offend you. I feel similar right now. Programming jobs, the job I was going to be doing when I get out of college, are moving out of the US to places like India. I have thought a lot about this sort of thing recently.

Really you can't fault Japan, China, Europe, etc, for taking advantage of economic opportunities we are freely giving them. We have decided as a society and an economy that we like consuming things produced elsewhere, but we have also decided to not produce much here that other places want to consume. Because producing things here is relatively expensive and business, given the choice to produce things here or elsewhere, will often pick the cheaper choice and produce it elsewhere. I hate it and there must be some solution to this whole mess - but I'm not going to be so arrogant as to proclaim that I have an answer to what that solution is.

I'm sorry, it sparks deep emotions in many of us to discuss these things. I really hope you are not offended but I really can't describe what has transpired here as something other then Xenophobia.

There are forums for import fans and i hope this stuff isn't welcomed around here :confused: :rolleyes:

The 2JZ-GTE is an incredible engine, and can take much more abuse than most of you give it credit for. STOCK shortblocks that can handle 20+ pounds of boost, and last a long time doing it... Good luck getting that out of the SBC/BBC that you can't see past.

You guys are probably the same people who ran off the guy who was swapping a turbo Supra engine into his Chevelle.

The world is much bigger than 30 yr old pieces of steel from Detroit guys, come on. I understand, "different strokes for different folks" but some of you are so stuck in your ways that its scary. Sure he could have spent the same cash and done this to a domestic V8, but he didnt want to. Big deal.
You can argue all day long about "Well if I had that money, I would do this or that." In the words of Homer Simpson, "That's loser talk."

For the guys who suggested this be locked or deleted: This may be 8 pages long, but at least it car related. You would rather read about stupid stuff for sale on E-Bay than a nice car? This is a car site afterall right? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bowtie455:
my dad is a retired u.s. steelworker.ask him what he thinks about imports.imported steel(and cars) did'nt put food on our table when i was a kid. :mad: OK, I swear I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but come on. Because of your dad's occupation 30 years ago, you cant appreciate a well built car?


I think MAT said it best. "Open your mind - nothing will fall out."


- Matt

Originally posted by Matt Leuck:
You guys are probably the same people who ran off the guy who was swapping a turbo Supra engine into his ChevelleWho was doing that? That certainly is different. Any info on this?

I dont think any of this should be deleted or edited, people have to say what they have to say. And everyone is into different things. Just because most of us wouldnt trade are Chevy's for a couple dozen million HP imports doesnt make it wrong. graemlins/hurray.gif Then again this is starting to look like an 9 page argument ;)

Originally posted by SemiHemi:
I really can't describe what has transpired here as something other then Xenophobia. Isn't it spelled "Zenaphobia"? And what does the fear of a hot amazonian chick have to do with anything that's transpired here?

No, I have XENOPHOBIA, well a twisted variety, I want Xena the Warrior Princess, I think, but I a-scared! smile.gif


BTW, on topic, does anyone make a turbo for the 3.2L Acura engine?

Well guys I tried to stay out of this but I just can't. Bear with me here for a second. I have always owned American Musclecars. I have had 2 GTO's, a 67 Nova, a 68 Camaro, a 71 Corvette, and 3 Chevelles. I used to street race in the late 80's when I was young and dumb. Today I wouldn't street race for a million bucks. I look at the import scene like this...I love strawberry ice cream but I don't hate the people that like vanilla. To each his own.

OK that being said let's put it this way. I love musclecars and I do not care for the import "look". That doesn't mean I can't respect the horsepower or performance of these cars, I just don't care for their look. The bottom line here is that for a 20 year old kid today, an import is a smart move. Everybody talks about buying a $2500.00 Chevelle and dropping a big block into it. C,mon guys you know it isn't that easy. Do you know what a $2500.00 Chevelle looks like when you buy it up here in the Northeast??? You better plan on doing about $5-$6000.00 in body work before you even touch the engine, cause our cars rust out up here. And that is just the beginning. For a young kid who wants a dependable car that starts and runs every day, a Chevelle/GTO/442 might not be the ticket. Plus don't you rememeber what it was like to be 19 or 20. In my day, if you didn't do what the rest of your buddies did, you were called a pu$$y. Peer pressure to follow the "norm" is intense. To the majority of 18 or 19 year olds kids out there today, the imports ARE the "norm". All they are doing is what's "in" for them.

I hear what everyone is saying about "buy American". I used to follow that mentality. Personally until Monday night I had never owned anything but GM (other than a Jeep CJ when I was 16). But you know what, GM of today is not producing a quality automoblie. Because of GM's lack of quality, my wife and I just bought her a foreign car, and you know what I don't feel one bit of guilt about it either. For those of you who want to break my stones...keep in mind that I am a combat veteran with 2 purple hearts so I think I have given some service to my country. I also have a job, a wife, and 2 kids. We bought a car for my wife that we felt was going to last for her for a long time, without any service related issues.

As I said I don't personally care for the import cars but I also try not to sit on a high horse and say that my car is better than yours either. I will say this, the few import guys I have spoken to, love our musclecars. No "ricer" kid has ever come up to my Chevelle and made insulting comments to me. Most have expressed an interest in my car and what I have done to it.

The bottom line here in my opinion is that last time I looked it was a free country and if a guy wants to build an 800 HP Civic, it's his choice. Calling him stupid for it seems to be a little unfair.

Originally posted by RacnJsn95:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Matt Leuck:
You guys are probably the same people who ran off the guy who was swapping a turbo Supra engine into his ChevelleWho was doing that? That certainly is different. Any info on this? </font>[/QUOTE]http://www.geocities.com/importpowered/

It hasnt been updated in a long time.

I had a little civic hatch back or some crap honda like that messing with me this past summer. I was crusing along in my 66 chevelle which has 406sb when I heard that distinct muffler sound those hunks of crap make. As I got up to him about his rear bumper to my front he would speed up a bit. After a couple of repeats of this I realized he was taunting me. Finally I got tired of it and shoved it into second. The minute he heard me bring my car into its power band I heard him purge some nitrous lines. I could smell it as well. I never even got on it and we never even lined up and bam he was gone. That piece of crap took off once the bottle was on. I don't think he could take me on the short end of it but top end I would probably have lost. I have 373 gears so what can I do. It pissed me off the punk was trying to taunt me and sucker me in never allowing us to line up becuase he could tell by the rumble of my car it wasn't going to be that easy. PUNK kids. I will admit that think was like a rocket. I don't know how much of a power shot he had but is wasn't a lame 50hp. If I had to guess I would say 200 or better. I mean that car took off and was gone.

I hope I didn't come off as calling anybody stupid for building one of these high Hp imports. I respect anybody that wants to build a car or modify it to perform or be something that people will enjoy seeing, be it a Supra or a Chevelle.

I believe that when I finish my car that the younger import guys will show me respect for what I have created as I will show them respect for their efforts. graemlins/thumbsup.gif

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Did anybody actually read all this stuff? I didnt but I bet I can sum it up -

Imports suck

No, imports are Ok, it the kids that drive them that suck

Ah, C'mon, they're just gearheads of a new generation

No, they suck and so do their cars

I raced a Civic this weekend and whooped him!

Imports can be made fast just like anything else.

Who would spend the money on these things?

Ricers this, ricers that....blah, blah, blah


Bottom line - No matter what you drive - The bull**** stops when the light turns green.

oh there is no way a car like that will last on the gas. It was the fact that punk thought he had the right to taunt me in a car that has over 30g's of my money in it over 15 years. He adds gas and calls it a hot rod. what a joke. I have all the fixings on mine aluminum heads,roller rockers, a big cam, posi, muncie, hurst etc etc etc. The thing to note though is even with the gas he wouldn't let me cruise up even with him. So apparently the sound of a muscle car intimidated him even with his added hp. Oh well it was a funny experience to say the least.

V-8 muscle-power rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No-one can copy the "american" v-8 sound-machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif :D
I love it alot!!!! ;)

Eddy "merlin 540 ci" riedijk,
The netherlands.

Originally posted by EDDY merlin:
V-8 muscle-power rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No-one can copy the "american" v-8 sound-machine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif :D I love it alot!!!! ;) I'm with you Eddy. I am anxiously waiting for the day that I can pull up to a light in my '70, 454 with headers and 4" bullets and choppy idle and turn and see the look on the kids face who is sitting in his Celica that sounds like a lawnmower :eek: . To me, that will be as cool as it gets and no street racing will be required or desired ;) .....nuff said.

Moloko, thats the inherent problem with supras, no matter how much power they make, they can only do 11s.

This is how my rx7's motor will sound.(right click and save as) (http://rx7.cyberosity.com/87GTR/pics/2003/12102003/MOV01938.MPG)

It's a bridgeport (half bridge) and I'm expecting a lot from it with a huge turbo.

Guess its time to drop my 2 cents in this. Im 20, owned my chevelle for 2 years now and realy think its a great car...but i could be driving a honda or toyota instad of constantly sinking money into the velle, which i have driven many 2 weeks without somthing major tearing up. Im finlay going the route of rebuilding a engine and transmission, replacing all the bushings and frount end parts, and when im done maby ill have a dependable car, that ive already droped 7k into.

I still dont think i would trade my velle for a honda or toyota, but i can appretiate someone wanting to buy one so they could drive now affordably. This from a colledge student droping every spare dime into getting some dependable transportation that ill be proud to drive.

I was gonna comment on this thread but,
changed my mind. :rolleyes:

More than anything else, I'm amazed that anyone gets upset about any of this. It's funny.

Come on, people, whether I like imports or not should be no reason for anyone to get mad. I don't care which "side" you're on. It's stupid to let any of this get to you.

I continue reading and replying to topics like this because they're entertaining. More so than watching the Tuttles bickering on American Chopper.

This thread has had less "name-calling" than most "import vs. Domestic" threads I've seen.

Still better suited to the BR forum, though.

Well for street fights, I usually carry both a .32 with lightweight hollowpoints AND a 9mm loaded with 147 grain babies to penetrate car doors....

Oh, you meant racing. Naw, I'm " un-tauntable". smile.gif

As all of you should be as well.

Originally posted by 427L88:

BTW, on topic, does anyone make a turbo for the 3.2L Acura engine? Nobody that Im aware of makes a bolt on turbo kit for the J series v6's [honda/acura new 3.0, 3.2 and 3.5L motors] They make superchargers [cause honda people with v6's are all about low end torque, go us! :D ] and NOS kits, but no turbos. Thats not to say you can't make one, and they are out there.

Originally posted by Texas70:
If it took what sounded like a major replacement/overhaul of what I have now to get to 300 Hp in my Honda, I cannot imagine how many parts and how much money it would take to even reach 500 Hp. No I was just telling you how to get 300hp using all stock parts and have lots of torque. You want 300hp from your 3.0L? No prob. First off get rid of the crappy VTEC-E cams, replace them with type-S or 03 accord/MDX cams [J32A2 for type-S, J30A4 or J35A4 for the other cams] Next up the compression from 9.4:1 to 10:1. Add the usual bolt ons, even throw a variable intake manifold on for a flatter torque curve, and add a engine managment system like the hal-tec. This will get you to the 300chp level.

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i'm an old dinosaur with a closed mind...i can't help it,but i'm happier this way! graemlins/boring.gif although i'm very impressed with how much horsepower is being made by 4-cylinders these days i will always stay with my v-8 gas-guzzler.(until the government bans them all.)the sound of a stout v-8 will always bring chill-bumps.by the way,what is the record for the number of pages in a post on this site? :D

I think this post should stay open.

Originally posted by bored&stroked:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by 427L88:

BTW, on topic, does anyone make a turbo for the 3.2L Acura engine? Nobody that Im aware of makes a bolt on turbo kit for the J series v6's [honda/acura new 3.0, 3.2 and 3.5L motors] They make superchargers [cause honda people with v6's are all about low end torque, go us! :D ] and NOS kits, but no turbos. Thats not to say you can't make one, and they are out there.

Originally posted by Texas70:
If it took what sounded like a major replacement/overhaul of what I have now to get to 300 Hp in my Honda, I cannot imagine how many parts and how much money it would take to even reach 500 Hp. No I was just telling you how to get 300hp using all stock parts and have lots of torque. You want 300hp from your 3.0L? No prob. First off get rid of the crappy VTEC-E cams, replace them with type-S or 03 accord/MDX cams [J32A2 for type-S, J30A4 or J35A4 for the other cams] Next up the compression from 9.4:1 to 10:1. Add the usual bolt ons, even throw a variable intake manifold on for a flatter torque curve, and add a engine managment system like the hal-tec. This will get you to the 300chp level. </font>[/QUOTE]Oh, that's completely different.... :eek: :eek: graemlins/clonk.gif

I ain't saying nothing !! This is better than my post !!

Originally posted by Midnight Marauder:
Did anybody actually read all this stuff? I didnt but I bet I can sum it up -
I think you nailed it. Maybe you could post this once in a while so we don't have to rehash the entire thread again, we can all just read the condensed version and move on. smile.gif

Reid

wow, this thread has only been on since like sunday and i got to page ten!!!!!

Now, do those imports run oval or rect port heads?????