Ok, I've been searching all the forums and I still have a question for you guys.

Other than the obvious issue of the Lakewood style traction bars being somewhat of an eyesore how would you rate them for function as opposed to the lift bars?

Does anybody have detailed pictures of the SSM/Jegster lift bars installed?

Thanks! graemlins/waving.gif

James,go with the SSM/Jegster bars..they are very stealth and non obvious,and the factory sway bar bolts right up..they work very well.I ran them on my 4 speed car and was very happy with them.I'd take those any day over the coil spring traction bars..which do work very well to,but are an eyesore IMHO

Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
Jmaes,go with the SSM/Jegster bars..they are very stealth and non obvious,and the factory sway bar bolts right up..they work very well. But my simple mind doesn't understand how they work! graemlins/clonk.gif

Are they longer than stock control arms?

Do they fix the pinion angle or do you need adjustable uppers in conjuction with them to do that?

My problem seems to be the pinion angle since the air bags(even with only the right side aired up)is raising the rear of the car above stock height but also the right rear is lifting as evidenced by darker left side black marks than the right side. I know I can preload the Lakewoods and beat that issue. How do you preload the lift bars?

I don't like the idea of the upper no hop bars having read of clearance issues with the bed of elkies and also with making the differential plug hard to access.

Thanks for the input!

I installed the SSM bars on my '70 Chevelle. I haven't driven my car yet so I'm not real sure how they will work. I blew my motor before my maiden voyage :( . I do know that the bars are longer than the factory control arms. I will get you some installed pics tomorrow if you like.

James,you won't need adjustable uppers..just bolt in the SSM/Jegs bars and be done with it..they change the instant center..they have bracket to accomodate the longer bars..trust me,they will work well.My old W30 442 clone (good friend owns it now) has a run a best of 11.96 w/a 1.66 ft. using no more than an air bag in the passenger side spring,SSM's and stock uppers..also has the stock rear sway bar,and he was running slicks too.
I'm not saying your car will run 1.6X's with them,just giving you an idea how effective they are in conjunction with other rear suspension components (all stock other than air bag) and slicks.

Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
James,you won't need adjustable uppers..just bolt in the SSM/Jegs bars and be done with it..

using no more than an air bag in the passenger side spring,SSM's and stock uppers..also has the stock rear sway bar,and he was running slicks too. I have a 7/8 rear sway bar and the air bags but I'm not seeing any advantage to the bags other than now I can run the KYB shocks instead of the weak air shocks.

I've got my welding/fabbing equipment on standby so if I can get enough info I'll make a set of them rascals, so I still would like to see the pictures Chris. If you could give me a center to center measurement of the mounting holes in the arms and also the center to center of the holes in the bracket that looks like it bolts to the front mount I think I can make a set of those things pretty easy from a spare stock set I have.

Thanks guys!
We'll get Ol Paint hookin up one way or the other!

Below is a sketch that I made a while ago that will help you better understand the no-hop verses the lift bars. SSM's work well on a majority of our cars unless you have some serious muscle under the hood. I also wouldn't recomend them for a manual with some good power under the hood that launches hard or a car that leaves of a trans brake. Then they tend to lift the front end sky high and/or over plant the tires. I would bet that they would be good for your elki.
http://www.mnracing.org/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/crappy%20drunk%20sketch.JPG

I sent you 3 pics James...hope they help

Thanks guys!

Now, if I see this right the lift bars use the stock front mount but mount lower in the rear by way of a longer/extended bracket. This means the sway bar mount's location will need to change accordingly, not a problem.

Nice sketch Captain!
Just looking at the pictures I got it looks like the rear mount drops about 2 1/2". So if I make the bar long enough to reach the relocated mount and maintain the correct pinion angle that's the ticket right?

James,

Go here for somewhat older pics of my setup. It shows the stock bars vs. SSM's and it shows the SSM's installed on my Elky.
'68 Elky w/SSM's (http://www.nuibe.com/elco/suspension.html)

Originally posted by kazuaki:
James,

Go here for somewhat older pics of my setup. It shows the stock bars vs. SSM's and it shows the SSM's installed on my Elky.
'68 Elky w/SSM's (http://www.nuibe.com/elco/suspension.html) Thanks Greg!!!

I'm gettin apretty good idea of what I need now!!!

Someone on this board said he 60 footed better with the SSM lift bars mounted in the stock location....can't remember who it was though?