increase in gas mileage and performance?

http://www.fuellegacy.com/default.asp

http://www.fuellegacy.com/movie.asp

Someone has convinced my wife that this stuff really works and she wants to market the stuff. I'm more of the pessimist about stuff like this and have been arguing against it. Of course that will cost us an inve$ment.

So far I've convinced her not to try it on her car cause not know waht it is i'm afraid of when it might do to the engine.

All they really say is, it makes the fuel break up into smaller particles by using some nano technology so it burns better and it is supposed to clean the carbon off your cylinders. I'd like to see more about the chemistry on how its supposed "nano" technology does this. But they don't get in that kind of depth on how it works.

One thing that caught my attention was that they say it takes 4-5 tanks before it really starts working. IMO, if its changing the gas to give you a better air fuel mixture then you should see an immediate change in what ever they are saying you will get.

Sounds like more junk to me.

The only thing that stuff will improve is the size of the wallet who convinced your wife. These kind of things pop up everytime gas takes off in price, just like the 100 to 300 MPG carbs.

This is what you do: Request an MSDS sheet for it.

If they refuse, it is most likely a mixture of water, dye, and fragrances. Think about it:
Water will clean the combustion chamber.
Water CAN increase the ammount of anti-knock (technically higher octane rating)
Also, they suggested trying to use LESS of it if you do not notice any improvements (too much water will hurt performance!)

Snakeoil. Nonsense

Snakeoil. Nonsense
But probably still a good investment with such a nice web site and soooo many gullibule people in this world.

I especially like how the say it might not work right on their homepage :) (The disclaimer under the graph)....... Wonder if its compatible with Z-Max??????

BUT IT'S GOTTA WORK!!! The little graph they have that says you can get up to 25% better mileage goes CLEAR UP TO 25%!

Heck I'm gonna buy some just because of how environmentally responsible their page looks! I bet I get 85mpg out of my Chevelle after I finish my Prius swap!


NOT! I agree, snake oil.

Bs

EPA tested all of this crap recently if I am not mistaken (all the fuel tablets, tornado deal, all that stuff) and found that a small minority gave increases in the 1% range and the other did nada.

Only thing out there that will increase your mileage is a good tune up, tires inflated properly, air filter, plugs, etc and your driving habits. Its been the same throughout the ages and hasnt changed and it wont change. Well, can say I saw an increase using synthetics over conventional oils in the engine, trans and rear end and but still minimal gains.

If you have a vehicle that runs on 91+ or requires it and that vehicle can be tuned (gm ls based stuff for instance) then maybe look into mid grade or low octane tune and keep the mileage you have but reduce costs at the pump. Use a bike when you can.

Even that post that was here a while back with all the "tips" from the supposed former gas refinery guy - "fill up when its cold, slowly drip the fuel into your tank to get more fuel and less air, blah, blah, blah" was ALL BS. Some here agreed and believed it. Same folks that know damn well their kid looks like the UPS guy but still say "He has my eyes"

Thanks for the replies. I was hoping to dig find a consumer report on the stuff.

I think Deans comment says it all. I figure you have two ways to make a business work. Sell a service or product that works and makes the customer happy and get repeat business and free marketing by word of mouth. OR, find alot of gullable people and sell to them once. So long as you have a constant supply of no. 2 then your in business. I wouldn't feel good about doing the latter.

NM, I'm fooked. I let her read your responses and she says your all closed minded like I am. I guess I'll be getting into the efuel business or what ever it's called. The joys of being married.

Dave ........ you need to change your name ......

Say Jack .... want to buy some magic beans ??? l:)

NM, I'm fooked. I let her read your responses and she says your all closed minded like I am. I guess I'll be getting into the efuel business or what ever it's called. The joys of being married.

Ask her why Exxon or some other oil company hasn't bought this up and added it to their fuel so they could claim their gas gave better mpg?

Wow, that sucks! Well, just jot this all down on a note so you can give her a big fat "I TOLD YOU SO!" in 6 months...Actually, just give her the note now, and when she's sitting on 50 boxes of scented water she has something to read! :P

Anybody see that married with children episode where Al catches wind of a contract that all the meter maids need new shoes, so he buys thousands of pairs of them, and was going to sell them for a profit, but then found out the next day that they changed the requirements and coudn't wear those shoes anymore? hahahaha

What a load of horse$h!t. Most of these products have a fatal flaw, they magically defy the physics of the situation.
1. Takes a certain amount of energy to move a certain amount of mass a certain distance. 2. You can't create or destroy energy.

Somehow they magically defy both of those by reducing the energy it takes to move your car, and seemingly creating more energy from a gas molecule that didn't already exist in it.

We're not closed minded, she's gullible. And I can say that flat out because it won't be me in the dog house. One can be more objective with no emotional interest in the results. "Caring" for the environment and "wanting" better fuel economy can cloud objective judgement.

There is not one single piece of objective evidence on the website. Nothing. It's all marketing statements.

If she want's to make an open minded decision, she should ask them what exactly is in it and why. And testing that shows objective gains by using it. Testimonials don't count. If they want to present facts, people will listen to it.

Why does she dismiss what we say as incorrect, yet believes what the company says as fact? That's closed minded.

Tim.

OK hardcore financial advice, let her play, but DO NOT INVEST IN INVENTORY. SHe may think I'm closed minded, but I dont often lose. This smells like a Ronco loser, limit your exposure.

Just more snakeoil. If this stuff is so great, why is it only viral marketing, MLM and word of mouth? If it worked it would be in every store across the country. All of these company's come out quickly, sucker a bunch of people into buying them to get rich, and then disappear as soon as they came.

FTC & EPA tested all these kinds of things a couple years ago when gas started shooting up and these products were all over the place. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/autos/aut10.shtm

If the stuff works, then whoever is trying to get her on board or the company itself shouldn't have a problem letting her evaluate it before hand right?

Go with 110!! :D

Don't ever let her see this site
http://www.kalecoauto.com/
you'll have a garage full in no time.

I love this one from their FAQ page:
21. I have used eeFuel for 5 tanks and nothing is happening, what can I do?

Most vehicles respond well at 10 ml treats 13 gallons, but some vehicles may require a special dose ratio. Try reducing the dose to 10 ml treats 20 gallons for three tanks. If this does not work, try 10 ml treats 8 gallons for three tanks. If still no response then yours may be one of the very few vehicles that do not respond to using eeFuel.

And retail price is $26.99 for a 4 ounce bottle. What a scam! We ought to all pitch in to buy some and have it analyzed.

Take a look at their compensation page, it sure looks like a pyramid scheme to me.......(and is based on a bogus product to boot).

I love this one from their FAQ page:
21. I have used eeFuel for 5 tanks and nothing is happening, what can I do?

Most vehicles respond well at 10 ml treats 13 gallons, but some vehicles may require a special dose ratio. Try reducing the dose to 10 ml treats 20 gallons for three tanks. If this does not work, try 10 ml treats 8 gallons for three tanks. If still no response then yours may be one of the very few vehicles that do not respond to using eeFuel.

And retail price is $26.99 for a 4 ounce bottle. What a scam! We ought to all pitch in to buy some and have it analyzed.

l:)

I love this one from their FAQ page:
21. I have used eeFuel for 5 tanks and nothing is happening, what can I do?

Most vehicles respond well at 10 ml treats 13 gallons, but some vehicles may require a special dose ratio. Try reducing the dose to 10 ml treats 20 gallons for three tanks. If this does not work, try 10 ml treats 8 gallons for three tanks. If still no response then yours may be one of the very few vehicles that do not respond to using eeFuel.


And that right there should be the proof it doesn't work. How could such a product give "up to 25% better" mileage for one person, yet anothers whose car works on the SAME principles with the same fuels see no gain.

UM Troy ,same principal as the Westech Dyno that shows more HP/TQ when Hot Rod Mag does comparisons of (enter anything here).

Don't ever let her see this site
http://www.kalecoauto.com/
you'll have a garage full in no time.


I run their engine oil bypass kit. I save a fortune on oil changes every year!

I would seriously ask for an msds sheet! I love those things! Doesn't matter what a company claims about a secret ingredient, these little babies don't lie!

Also, make sure there is no repercussion for distributors if the product is a flop. My grandpa was faced with a bunch of "fraud" lawsuits when he sold those stupid magnetic bracelets:sad:

Think how much fuel a top fuel dragster could save using this stuff.:D

And according to FAQ #22, they could probably run 87 octane. l:)

This could be the end of the Nitro rationing.

I run their engine oil bypass kit. I save a fortune on oil changes every year!


You know what's extremely sad and a true story,

When I worked at Kragens we had this teenager with a dumb prelude always coming in. He kept having valvetrain noises, and shrieks on start up, blowing blue smoke etc... A coworker and I would see this guy about once a week every week! We both asked a few times "And when did you last change the oil?" and he always said "2500-3000 miles" and so we'd ask other questions.

Finally I asked "What kind of oil do you use?" He said Royal Purple. I asked where he got it (because we had it cheapest in town so 99% of people who bought it bought it from us and I had never seen him buy any). He told me that a trick his dad tought him was to use a paint strainer (for mixing paints) on top of the oil catch can to remove all the particules and then reuse the oil:clonk:l:)

My coworker and I just started cracking up! We got him some oil and the smoke, and shrieking were gone, there was still a little valvetrain noise. He then comes in and complains that we lied and it didn't fix ALL the problems! We looked at him and told him that he should be thankful the engine is still running!

Some people! IDK what it is with people being told something and betting the farm on it!? Heck, if I was looking for one of these gas additives, I would be doing so much reaserch, I'd be bored with the subject and move on with life!

If you fart into your tank AND your quick enough with the gas cap you can trap it....although its not worth mileage it will up octane and provide a performance increase (depending on what was eaten)

Im currently trying to bottle my farts to sell on ebay but havent figured out a secure method of getting my farts from a bottle to the buyers tank. Im trying to modify my mighty vac for this.

If you fart into your tank AND your quick enough with the gas cap you can trap it....although its not worth mileage it will up octane and provide a performance increase (depending on what was eaten)

Im currently trying to bottle my farts to sell on ebay but havent figured out a secure method of getting my farts from a bottle to the buyers tank. Im trying to modify my mighty vac for this.

I'd like to see your sources. Since gas tanks are vented I highly doubt adding any gasses to the tank would prove very useful.:D

I'd like to see your sources. Since gas tanks are vented I highly doubt adding any gasses to the tank would prove very useful.:D

the trick is to put in in the tank through a tube at the bottom so the bubbles come up through the gas and the methane is absorbed as it rises through the fuel. ;)

We're not closed minded, she's gullible.

I know. I always said, you want a quick 1/2 mil and a new truck and chevelle to look good in? Knock me off, wait till she cashes my life ins check then swoop in for the plucking.

They have these pump em up phone calls I call them. Usually involve a smooth talker telling everyone how he's making a killing money wise cashing his checks in Hawaii, I only work 56 minutes a day la de da da. In reality they are raking it in by convincing people to invest in this stuff and thats how they get there money. "you have to take risk to make it big". I keep telling her if it was that easy then everyone would do it and there would be no more DR's lawyers and engineers.

Yeah, the risk you want to take in order to make it big like this is to start a pyramid scheme. Not get sucked into one.

But then I am reading that one of the guys behind this scheme has done several in the past. I guess he's not getting too rich either.

I'd like to see your sources. Since gas tanks are vented I highly doubt adding any gasses to the tank would prove very useful.:D

My tank isnt vented and my cap isnt vented...smart guy. Some here complain about the bulging tanks and pressure build up in there cars but in my plan this is precisely whats needed. I may work on a seperate injection system much like propane injection or the like, maybe an n20 bottle.

Dont go shooting down my theories and dreams with your crazy ways and jumping to conclusions or i'll fed ex you a leaky fart container.

Gettin' all technical on my fart injection....people didnt think peeing in the radiator would hold up well but I seen it in Red Dawn and that truck hauled cookies on pee cooling.

Never say never.

I'd definitely go for the MSDS. You don't want that stuff hanging around your house if you don't know what is in it. Obviously it is extremely volatile due to 10ml treating 20gallons of gasoline. Also, if concern for environment is crucial, then you will want to know how to clean up a spill if one of the bottles leaks.

I tried acetone in the fuel for a few tanks once. The only difference it made was that truck ran a little smoother (166K mile Exploder). That was 2 or 3 ounces per tank assuming any of it made it down the neck into the fuel :).

Get the MSDS. Let's see what is in it.

K

Gas tanks have not been venter for years. 30 year old cars yes but anything built since eco awareness hit is not vented.

If you put a port in the tank and try to introduce propane or fart gas or whatever into the bottom of the tank you better figure out how to pressurize the fart gas before it goes into the tank. The first time you add gas to the tank / fill the tank up the gas is gonna push anything in your gas filler tube right out dues to the weight of the gasoline inside the tank

Gas tanks have not been venter for years. 30 year old cars yes but anything built since eco awareness hit is not vented.


UMMM, yes gas tanks are still vented, it's called an evap system. Just because it runs through a charcoal canister does not mean it's not vented.

Put a non-vented cap on a TRUE non-vented gas tank and let the car sit in the sun for an hour, go and take the gas cap off and see what happens! Oh, and I wouldn't advise the person trying this to be holding a cigarette!

IThey have these pump em up phone calls I call them. Usually involve a smooth talker telling everyone how he's making a killing money wise cashing his checks in Hawaii, I only work 56 minutes a day la de da da. In reality they are raking it in by convincing people to invest in this stuff and thats how they get there money. "you have to take risk to make it big". I keep telling her if it was that easy then everyone would do it and there would be no more DR's lawyers and engineers.

One thing that caught my attention was that they say it takes 4-5 tanks before it really starts working

LOL!


Schemes are everywhere these days...Girl that rents from me just got sucked into that Monavie miracle drink stuff..She "only had to buy 2 cases" and get 2 people underneath her to buy 2, its catching on everywhere, especially in Florida.Gave the guy a bunch of money too, has her convinced she bought into the company. This person is a degreed pro but about as street smart as a trash can.

Laughed, told her she got shammed. If it aint FDA approved she wont be selling much of it.
Greedy people...

Didnt read the whole thread, hope you can talk your wife out of it.

UMMM, yes gas tanks are still vented, it's called an evap system. Just because it runs through a charcoal canister does not mean it's not vented.

Put a non-vented cap on a TRUE non-vented gas tank and let the car sit in the sun for an hour, go and take the gas cap off and see what happens! Oh, and I wouldn't advise the person trying this to be holding a cigarette!

I was refering to the fact that todays cars are not vented to the atmosphere but rather are, as you point out, vented thru the evap ctrl systems. As early as 71 or 72 the cars had the charcoal canister. My 66 Vette has no canister system and a vented cap. agree about the cigarette. My Vette cap vent was blocked up and on a hot day the rush of the pressure release when opening the tank was "exciting" to say the least.

I looked over the site again and am almost positive it is some kind of mixture of water and maybe xylene or acetone.

The reason is: most, if not all, of their claims can be met by cleaning an engine.

Even the lowering of required octane rating. If you have excessive carbon build ups, they will create "Hot spots" and subject the engine to pre-ignition.

However, if your engine is in good shape, you'll never notice a change. When warrants their claim that a "low number" of cars will not notice a small difference. That's because people that actually take care of the cars only make up a "low number" of drivers on the road!

And needing 4 to 5 bottles is because it will add up to about the same liquid ammount as if you walked into a parts store and bought a fuel system cleaner! Only, you would spend $5 at the parts store instead of $25+!

I was refering to the fact that todays cars are not vented to the atmosphere but rather are, as you point out, vented thru the evap ctrl systems. As early as 71 or 72 the cars had the charcoal canister. My 66 Vette has no canister system and a vented cap.


Yet, they are still vented to the atmosphere. They just pass through a carbon filter absorbing chemicals so not ALL particles make it to the atmosphere.

I honestly don't know if activated carbon filters will filter out farts are not, possibly something to look into thoughl:)

The "got to do 4-5 tanks of gas before it works" requirement is a dead giveway that it's not going to ever work. If gullible people buy enough for 4-5 tanks then the rip-off is highly successful.