Well I know my 71 'Velle isn't exactly "fast" compared to a lot of you, but I'd like to know what else there is to get your car quicker with little to no money? Well one of the older guys at work, "Rod", has a 2000-2002 non-Z06 Vette. He's a really great guy and all, but when it comes to my car, he kinda runs his mouth off and says I can't touch him in his Vette. I'm not sure what the performance of non Z06 Vettes are, but I'm assuming they came with nothing more the 325hp. There are a couple guys at work, gearheads and non gears heads, that believe I can beat him, but, I guess you can say, that's not good enough for me tongue.gif We kinda messed around last year some time after work. We both left the parking lot at the same time, only thing is that when he made his right out of the parking lot, he floored it. I was still driving out then decided to floor it out and encountered a major amount of wheel hop trying to make a right and burn out, so I let off the gas. Ever since then, he and a lot of guys kept saying that I got smoked, etc. Now let me fast forward to a couple days ago. After work I was leaving the parking lot and threw it down to 1st and was stomping on the gas a little making the front end lift. Well of course Rod had to be out there and seen me messing around. I was told the next day that he was talking and saying in soo many words that his Vette is "untouchable." Well the same guys that told me about him running his mouth, also said they were impressed with my car and said they seen it lift off the ground a little. I've been told that the driver's side wheel gets some air under it which totally suprises me since I'm using plaing old BF T/A's.
Well let me get down to the nitty gritty of my car and motor for those of you who don't know what I have or may have forgotten. It's a 71 Velle, no carpet, has a bench seat, and a trunk full of tools and who knows what else. The motor is a 388ci, 9.5:1 C/R, ported Bowtie heads, 2.02/1.60 Valves, 1.5 roller rockers, cam has .488" lift I/E, (not sure of the rest of the specs becasue I lost the spec card/sheet), Pete Jackson "noisy" gear drive, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Holley 750VS 4160 3310-6 carb, Hedman 1 3/4" headers, 2 1/2" x pipe into Spin Techs with dumps. Ignition is provided by the stock 307 distributor which has been converted to a magnetic pick up, along wtih an MSD 6AL box with 6000rpm chip, Blast 2 coil, and Taylor 8mm wires. The tranny is a rebuilt TH350 with a B&M shift kit, B&M Holeshot 2000 torque converter with a B&M trans cooler. Rear end has GM posi (which I've been told is an Eaton posi) with 4.11s, and I'm using 15x10 Rallies out back wrapped in 275x60 BF TA rubber. I think that about describes everything, if I've left something out, please ask away. I've only taken it to the track once, and out of the 4-5 runs, it ran a best of 8.80@79mph 1/8th mile. That was before I installed my Holley 130gph fuel pump, and 3/8" fuel lines from pump to fuel regulator to carb. Sorry, I know this is a loooooooooong post, but I really appreciate any hints and advice. Thanks for looking, and I really appreciate any and all help!!! graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif

The C5 LS1 vettes are rated at 345 crank hp. They run extremely low 13s stock with a 6 speed and can dip into the high 12's with an excellent driver. Remember these cars weigh 3300 pounds in coupe form so that is a big advantage. If he has an auto you are in a better situation as I believe they come with a 3.07 gear ratio.

An 8.8ET in the eighth works out to a rough 13.55ET in the quarter. If what JCOOSS says is true, he's got you covered right now, even though it sounds like your car is very stout. Only thing I can think of that would knock down your times is to use slicks.

My guess is the guy will never race you anyway, unless he feels he can get the advantage (like turning corners or whatever). He got his little showoff dig at you, and he'd just as soon keep it that way so he can feel like he's had the last laugh.

Congratulations on finding yet another Vette owner who feels that his car is "untouchable." :rolleyes:

Hey LXS,

Where are you in LA? After my Elky gets back from paint/body, I'll come down there and shut him up for you :D I mean, I'm only running a small-block and everybody knows El Caminos can't hook up :rolleyes: :D

LMFAO!!!! Thanks kazuaki :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif I live in Boyle Heights, but I work over in Santa Fe Springs. I bet "he'll show you a thing or two in his Vette" against your Elky..LOL

TH, I had a free demo download of a desktop dyno, forgot which one, and it said that I'd run 13.73@99mph. I don't know exactly how accurate a lot of these "dynos" are, but I'll take that 13.55 :D :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/beers.gif

It's gonna be close...
My bone stock '02 C5 convert automatic ran 13.3X @ 105 mph...just left it in "D" and with the A/C on. :cool:

LXS, Why don't you just bust his Ba$@s about the fact that his car cost about $45,000+ and yours is less than a quarter of that? I bet it would be pretty close from a dead stop. It depends, like others have said, if it is a stick or an automatic. Stick is quicker, but only if the guy can shift. I raced a guy in a 2001 SS Camaro with my 68 Chevelle with a fairly stock 350 (maybe 300 HP?) and kept up for a little bit, but then he pulled away. Those LS1 motors go very well. Get some drag radials and don't let him see them prior to calling him out in front of everybody at work. He will have to race you, since it sounds like he has an inferiority complex and has to be better than everybody else. You could always put some juice on it and blow his doors off! Just a 125 shot plate system will do the trick.

That's pretty much my plan. Get some nitrous and some slicks/cheater slicks. I'm still in the "working out the bugs" process. He doesn't take his Vette to work everyday, he takes it once in a while, and usually on the weekends. I'm not sure if it's stick or automatic, but if that day ever comes, I'm planning to be the first one "out the gate" and give him a taste of his own medicine ;) :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Originally posted by LXS:
That's pretty much my plan. Get some nitrous and some slicks/cheater slicks. I'm planning to be the first one "out the gate" and give him a taste of his own medicine ;) :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif Let me get this straight, you are going to hook up nitrous and stick on some slicks to blow his hood off out of the parking lot? Seems like a waste of time, energy, and money. Why don't you pull your Procharger off your Camaro and get your horsepower that way and go the track?

Challenge him to a little cross country autocross with a couple of gravel roads tossed in for good measure, then sit back and listen to the excuses.

Originally posted by obsessedwithmy72:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LXS:
That's pretty much my plan. Get some nitrous and some slicks/cheater slicks. I'm planning to be the first one "out the gate" and give him a taste of his own medicine ;) :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif Let me get this straight, you are going to hook up nitrous and stick on some slicks to blow his hood off out of the parking lot? Seems like a waste of time, energy, and money. Why don't you pull your Procharger off your Camaro and get your horsepower that way and go the track? </font>[/QUOTE]Sorry, I guess I wasn't exactly clear when I typed this. My plan, in general, is to buy some nitrous and slicks for the track. Not just to "blow some guy's doors off." Sorry for the mix up. I know that'd really be a waste of time and money just for one stupid race. Now if we were "big time" and had a lot of money on the line, whereas what I spend to make the car quicker is a fraction of the "winnings" is another story, and obviously not the situation. As for my Camaro, it's in pieces and the ProCharger is what I plan on putting on it. But my problem is I get a lot of ideas and scenarios in my head of how I want my cars to be. The ProCharger is what I really want to have in my Camaro, but, if one of my buddies from work can hook me up with a 454, then I'll slap the 454 in the Velle, and put my lil 388 in the Camaro. But only time, money, and No.1, the wife will tell ;) :D

i was looking thru a few time slips and i found most of them running 2.10 +/- 60 ft times with 8.80's +/- at 78-80 mph in the 1/8th mile with a finish of 13.40 thru 13.70's at 98-103 mph.......

so depending on well your cars pulls on the upper end would determind your 1/4 mile time it appears

i would say you would fall in between somewhere of the 13.40 and 13.70 range.....

the cheapest thing i think you could do is get your car to the track and get that thing dialed in......it is not uncommon to see .5-.75 e.t. drop just in some tunning of the carb and timming........i do it and i'm sure other have to........even in street trim you would be amazed with what tunning will give you........

with your combo there really isnt no reason why you couldnt get down in the very low 13's with tunning even on street tires........

Wow, thanks a lot Dennis, I actually kinda feel inspired now! :D I actually was kinda bummed when my old computer dyno thing said I'd run a 13.73@79mph. I would like to run quicker, as us all, and now that I see I potentially have a "range" I now have an et range to shoot for. I can't go to the local strip to test n tune whenever I want...so I ended up getting a G Tech on Ebay...should be here by next week. I know they're not accurate and may be off a couple of tenths and mph...but if it can give me an "ideal" et and shows me improvements...I'll be a realy happy camper. One of the reasons I'm not able to go to the track, aside from money, wife and daughter, my brakes don't stop me and I have to downshift to slow me down or else I'll hit the wall. That was my experiance at Irwindale (1/8th mile). I'm trying to plan to request the day off for Sep. 18th and go to Fontana and run the 1/4mile for the first time. I've heard from my buddies that they have a lot more room to stop after the runs, so I shouldn't have any probs there :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Go ahead and race him already - he sure knows how to press your button. Your only problem is that yopur coworkers have already seen him get the drop on you. While you are scheming to add nitrous and slicks who is to say he isn't planning the same. The C5 and LS1/6 are tremendous performance platforms - there are already n/a C5's running in the 9's. The LS1/6 heads can be made to flow like big block heads, and there are aftermarket LS1/6 heads that bring it up to the next level.

As your cars currently stand I'll say that he both out mph's and lower e.t.'s than you.

As to rubbing it in his face that all he did was to go down to the dealership and spend all that money...well...that was EXACTLY the criticism lobbed at many original buyers of muscle cars in the '60's!! How's that grab ya?

Have fun, be safe at the track.

Thomas

Well Thomas, the "scheming" to get nitrous and slicks isn't because of him. I've been wanting to do this for quite a while now. He's not a racer, he's just a cruiser. I'm not "out to get him" just because of one incident. I want my car quicker period. I'm just asking here to see if there is anything else I can do to make it quicker with little to no money, aside from timing and carb tuning. I guess you can say if he were to have his Vette and I'm in my Velle, I want to be ready. I'm not the type of guy who brags and boasts about every "victory" or stupid thing that happens. So this is in no way a form of "getting back" to rub in his face. If it happens and I beat him, then kool, if not, oh well, he's got the quicker car. I just personally don't like when people take advantage of a situation, or twist the truth around to their benefit/advantage.

LXS, I hear ya on wanting to go faster!. Vettes are nice cars but they don't compare to a Chevelle in my personal opinion. When a Chevelle rumbles down the street everybody looks and when the Vette rides down the street it's just another new car.

As 75c10 says. They don't impress em either, although they are a 'cheap' performance car as compared to some imports. Thought I always wanted one, but now have a old car that will eat them up in a straightline deal.

Anyway, you're pretty close to the Vette in performance, it's all about the driver now. Don't spin the tires. Make sure you have WOT ( ask me how I know - wondering why my car only ran high 12's!), and try and set the rules to favor you.

Challenge mouthy to a 150' race, for pink slips!

LXS,
I really think you would go a lot quicker if you just got in some track time and some tuning, aside from the slicks, of course.

Our first runs were in the high 13s without slicks. After we added those and just kept taking it to the track and working on it we eventually got a best of 12.5 out of it. Usually it'll run in the high 12s with someone who knows how to shift it.

Your setup is pretty stout.

You run drum brakes, perhaps? I need to swap to discs on the 'Velle as well. The function, but discs would be the best way to go.

LXS, now don't get me wrong I prefer the older cars anyday, but I would think that a new vette would tear apart most cars on this site. Now before everyone starts crying foul, I'm talking in all out performance. Straight in a line is one thing,(and thats all my velle is any good for too), but new corvettes excel all around, hence the reason he was turning and put it down and his went and yours wheel hopped. The pro touring rage now is equaling it up some but those guys are spending damn near as much on an old car as a new vette would cost to get them to turn, stop and accelerate as well. Plus the guy with the new vette doesn't have bloody knuckels(or the pride in saying he built it) but in all out competion the vette is going to win.

He, He!! Love the "take him down a gravel road" deal!!

Heck, the guy I got my car back from said he had a 12.9 time slip with no more then a small set of real slicks. He put a warmed over, .040" over 327 in it that was about 10 to 1 CR and had a cheap set of headers on it and a Crane/Cam Dynamics "Little Fire-ball" cam along with just an old 600cfm, 1850 Holley..

The sucker ran like a bat for such a mild little motor!!

(Light First Gen., M-20 and 3.31 rearend gear/posi- car).. The guy took me a ride in my car before i bought it back from him AND he actually drove it HARDER then I did...

And as hard as I always had the suspension set up I sure as heck wasn't scared of any old gravel roads when I was younger and thought I would live forever!!

Heck, it's a shame you don't know somebody with say, a ratty old, '62 Duece Coupe with a HOPPED UP 292 or 301 with a close ratio four-speed and 4.11 gears!!

Burn his tail good and it's just an old POS car, you know sorta deal... He, He!!

That's real fun!!!

pdq67

LOL, thanks guys for the responses and input. Just to clarify, if I wasn't earlier, when we "went at it" he was pulling out of the driveway from the parking lot and made a right and floored it on me. After he was roughly 5 cars or so ahead of me (cause I had to wait to see if there was traffic, a big rig was covering my view) I then floored it from the driveway of the parking lot and tried to make a right also. I was figureing that I'd get on the gas, maybe fish tail a little, and continue on and play "catch up." But instead while I was turning my steering wheel to make a right, the whole rear of the car felt as if it was bouncing off the ground...hence the wheel hop. I let off the gas and cruised it down the street. Our parking lot driveway is right in the middle of the company's block. From the driveway to the first light, when making a right, is roughly a half mile or so...maybe less. If you were to make a left, it's roughly 3/4 of a mile. But I gotta make a right to get the freeway. Anyway, enough rambling from me. I seen him again today while I was leaving the parking lot...he just smiled at me. I dont know if he'd actually take me up and race at the track with me, since he's not a "racer." He's just one of those guys who is proud of his car, and loves to have fun in it....and a little speed is nice. He's a really good guy, and like us all...when we have a "spot of glory" we love to sit back and smile.....................................I'm just waiting for my turn ;) :D

i think that you need to take the car to the track learn as much as you can about tuning a car, get some good stick tires, and tune the hell out of that car, there is no reason for a 383 chevelle to still be in the 13's! after visiting the track a few times, you will soon see how silly you look wanting to race a stock corvette on the street. you wont' care at all about the guy and think he is silly for trying to to do little races down the street, you will feel like a bigger man and will be.

Late model Corvettes are tough.

You don't even have to be a good driver, just point and shot.

My Dad's 2000 roadster with an automatic, stone stock will run a 13.3 second quarter mile.

So basically it will eat my 68 SS-396's lunch.
(Still got him covered with the mid 12 72 Chevelle though. :D )

Even with a hot 383 that LS-1 is probably making as much power, plus its in a 500 lb lighter car.

Certainly not saying you can't do it.
Just that those LS-1 powered cars are impressive.

Now concider Marroned is running mid 10's with a 383 in a Chevelle, so it can be done,
but I'd say Mike's skills are above the typical Chevelle hobbiest.

I was told the next day that he was talking and saying in soo many words that his Vette is "untouchable." sounds like a typical vette guy to me, one of the main reasons I got rid of the 2000 C5 I had. I know plenty of local guys here with rusted, ratty, primered mustangs, or a lowly f-body, that would severly hurt his feelings smile.gif . When I had my '02 Z28, nothing gave me more pleasure than dragging some snobby vette owner down the track smile.gif

IMO, just ignore the *******, he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Beating a Vette is a tough proposition, not sure it can be done.

;)

He, He!!

Wish my long gone Crippled Buddy and his '58 'Vette ragtop with the cammed 375hp/327 FI motor was still with us!!

He would probably get beat outta the hole about 3 cars by the guy in the new 'Vette AND then pass him going into second shifting at about 7500/8000rpm!!! That is if he didn't blow another clutch...

Bet it would be a good run whoever ended up on top!! You know, hopped-up old against new, He, He!!

pdq67

what do you need to beat a vette?

any new crothc rocket motorcycle, dodge viper....

Beat that vette bad! Make him hide in that couped up piece of two seated plastic! Do it for all us knuckle busting gearheads.

Do you think he's sitting on www.teamcorvette.com (http://www.teamcorvette.com) asking, "what do I need to beat the guy at work with the 71 Chevelle?"

I doubt it,..... he just ticked you off and got you thinking.....NOW DO IT !!!! HEHE

BTW, maybe I was too harsh on Vettes. I mean if someone gave me one, I'd certainly enjoy it ( after a good dose of NO2). Once you move away from pure straightline performance, my comments vis-a-vis the Chevelle are not valid!

Everytime I look at the topic line, my mind changes it to "Why do I need to beat a vette?" ;)

Like the saying " kids in the back seat cause accidents - accidents in the back seat cause kids".

Originally posted by GRN69CHV:
Like the saying " kids in the back seat cause accidents - accidents in the back seat cause kids". ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D graemlins/thumbsup.gif

http://www.hobbystage.net/camaro/camaroracer/1092616619-004189.jpg

:D

That is one bad a$$ lookin motor!!!! Does it run as bad a$$ as it looks??!?!?!?!?!

you know it, 11.60 @ 117.31

the compliment is appreciated!

Damn that is sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait till the day comes where I'm able to run those times and better ;) :D

Well as long as we are bragging about our engines, take a gander at mine, hopefully it will run 11's and take a hard corner at 80 and stop on a dime;
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/8963/chevelle.jpg
http://img57.exs.cx/img57/2186/chevelle2.jpg

Nope!! Never do it!! Should be "Chevy Orange", then it would!!

He, He!!

Just had too, that's all..

Love this "engine porn"..

pdq67

As long as we're posting engines:

http://www.becelectric.com/albums/album02/engine1.sized.jpg

And, it will absolutely smoke my '99 bolt-on C5 M6. As stated earlier, the LSX platform is incredible and should not be underestimated.

Originally posted by cody:
Well as long as we are bragging about our engines, take a gander at mine, hopefully it will run 11's and take a hard corner at 80 and stop on a dime Yikes!

Damn you guys have some AWESOME looking/performing motors!!!! All this engine porn is getting my blood going :D I just might have to go play with my motor when noone's looking ;) tongue.gif :D

I have to admit..........they would prolly take me. Even with a BB 4sp, given the numbers I'd prolly come up short.

BUT!!

I have this mid 80's GM....... family sorta car with a 6 cylinder.

I'd be dumb enough to run him in it :-D

well i did say "it should run 11's" not it does, we will see, i might just have to be happy with low 12's. with the suspension i am running and the 19" tires, traction is going to be next to none with 600+ horse and a T56! but i am thinking of bolting on slicks for the track. time will tell. the car will be done just in time for the rainy season. But i am pretty sure it should handle and corner quite well. With the amount of power this engine should put out i should be pretty well off!

Originally posted by cjlandry:
Everytime I look at the topic line, my mind changes it to "Why do I need to beat a vette?" ;) For bragging rights.

doesnt take much, a low 13/high 12 second combo is more then a vette can handle.

Originally posted by Motor Martyr:
doesnt take much, a low 13/high 12 second combo is more then a vette can handle. At this point it is a driver's race....the M6 C5 is solidly into the 12's driven properly with a couple of cheap bolt-ons.

I asked one of the guys at work today, if Rod's Vette is stick or auto....he said it's auto, so I guess my "chances" are slightly better tongue.gif I know it'll probably never happen again, but I guess it's a mental thing for me tongue.gif :D