If you had a choice between the new Camaro or the new El Camino which would you choose? Chevy will not get the new El Camino, it will only be avalable as a Pontiac.

Can someone post some pictures of the new Camaro and the new El Camino.

Neither would be practical for me, but I had to choose "Camaro"... I'd rather have the elky if I didn't have a kid.

Make a Pontiac G8 wagon, and I'd be all over it. :thumbsup:

http://jalopnik.com/366699/2010-pontiac-g8-sport-truck-the-el-camino-is-back

Hands down camaro, that El Camino is hideous!:noway:

El Cameano by Pontiac?:confused: Pontiac should be making a Trans-Am.:sad:

El Cameano by Pontiac?:confused: Pontiac should be making a Trans-Am.:sad:
It's not called an El Camino... It's a G8 ST

:D el-camino by pontiac ? [ i'll agree - not ! ] should have been a 67 - gto , 389 ,3 dueces , 4 speed . or a 455 - H . O :thumbsup:

:) what does the G8 - ST stand for ?

You would think by the votes the new ute was a step child or something. Is it because they are calling it a Pontiac? El Caminos have always been associated with Chevelles. All anybody has to do is look on Craigslist to see how popular El Caminos are and how many have survived.

You left out "none of the above".

:) what does the G8 - ST stand for ?Pontiac's replacement for the Grand Prix was the G6... G8 is the V8 version of that car. ST I assume means "sport truck"

I really like the G8 sedans... much more practical than the GTOs were, so maybe I'll get one when the price of used ones gets reasonable. :cool:

I like the 'truck'. Nice lines, RWD and big V-8 torque. What more could you ask for?

A FREAKIN EL CAMINO by CHEVROLET, You stupid MORONS at GM headquarters !!!!!

WE, the customer could care less about what division has an agreement with Holden.

How can they not get this right? How many mistakes do they have to make before they go bankrupt?

Please feel free to add to the list of GM product stupidity:

1996 - Kill the RWD platform of the best Police car ever made (and the Impala SS)
1997 - Neglect to re-model the Camaro/Firebird for the release of the LS based pony cars and then wonder why sales drop off...
2002 - Kill the Camaro & Firebird because nobody wants to buy the car that's looked the same for the past 9 years... Dah!
2003 - Let's bring back the GTO! Who cares if it looks like a Cavalier!
2007 - Kill the GTO because nobody wants one - Dah! AGAIN!
2007 - Let's build the Camaro again because Ford is going to re-create history with the Mustang. Let's make it look like a 69, well kind of....... Be patient..... Oh, hurry up, Chrysler is making ground with the Challenger. Be patient........... Oh no! Gas prices! Better design a 4 cylinder...... be patient........ A few bugs to work out. Maybe 2010. Building a car takes time you know. Inflation is up so it may cost more than we said, or what the Mustangs sell for, or the Challengers. Be patient now!
2008 - Holden still has a great RWD platform. Can we borrow it? Instead of doing that retro thing, let's be modern and forward thinking with a name like G8. Hope nobody confuses it with that G8 summit that always gets bad press....Oh well, just put it out there, they have to buy something.


Are they all from another planet? It's so frustrating to constantly ALMOST see a new GM car you want to buy.

Pontiac's replacement for the Grand Prix was the G6... G8 is the V8 version of that car. ST I assume means "sport truck"

I really like the G8 sedans... much more practical than the GTOs were, so maybe I'll get one when the price of used ones gets reasonable. :cool:

Did ya drive one yet Derek? I drove one tonight, that car is something to be reckoned with, very deceptive ;). The 0-60 time is less than 5 seconds.

Like others have already stated -- with all the discussion and interest by the Chevrolet El Camino enthusiasts surrounding the Holden UTE, one would think that GM could see the potential of releasing a new El Camino for 2010 (40 years after the release of the 1970 -- arguably the most popular El Camino ever). Instead, they bring us a Pontiac -- go figure? Badge it as a Chevy El Camino and it would stand a chance of making it -- as a Pontiac, the odds are certainly not in GM's favor in my opinion.

Dave

as a Pontiac, the odds are certainly not in GM's favor in my opinion.
Dave
Give it the kiss of death GM :sad: call it a Pontiac, yeah that worked real well last time :noway:
How about this ?

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/1508/gmcmaloodn1xz1.jpg

I like the 'truck'. Nice lines, RWD and big V-8 torque. What more could you ask for?

A FREAKIN EL CAMINO by CHEVROLET, You stupid MORONS at GM headquarters !!!!!

WE, the customer could care less about what division has an agreement with Holden.

How can they not get this right? How many mistakes do they have to make before they go bankrupt?

Please feel free to add to the list of GM product stupidity:

1996 - Kill the RWD platform of the best Police car ever made (and the Impala SS)
1997 - Neglect to re-model the Camaro/Firebird for the release of the LS based pony cars and then wonder why sales drop off...
2002 - Kill the Camaro & Firebird because nobody wants to buy the car that's looked the same for the past 9 years... Dah!
2003 - Let's bring back the GTO! Who cares if it looks like a Cavalier!
2007 - Kill the GTO because nobody wants one - Dah! AGAIN!
2007 - Let's build the Camaro again because Ford is going to re-create history with the Mustang. Let's make it look like a 69, well kind of....... Be patient..... Oh, hurry up, Chrysler is making ground with the Challenger. Be patient........... Oh no! Gas prices! Better design a 4 cylinder...... be patient........ A few bugs to work out. Maybe 2010. Building a car takes time you know. Inflation is up so it may cost more than we said, or what the Mustangs sell for, or the Challengers. Be patient now!
2008 - Holden still has a great RWD platform. Can we borrow it? Instead of doing that retro thing, let's be modern and forward thinking with a name like G8. Hope nobody confuses it with that G8 summit that always gets bad press....Oh well, just put it out there, they have to buy something.


Are they all from another planet? It's so frustrating to constantly ALMOST see a new GM car you want to buy.

BIN-freakin'-GO.

Camaro, or light duty Pontiac truck that can probably carry/pull as much as as the Camaro... Hmmmmm... I'll take the "4 seater"... LOL

However, I think they're both pretty spiffy.

GM has already announced the Camaro will be priced as a premium vehicle.

The video on the el camino states it will be about 31k.

GM seems to think they can price vehicles out of reach of the market they want to sell to. Then they cancel the vehicle after a few years. Poor planning.

Although I am not a ford fan, at least they market the mustang in a price range that will sell.

Jimmy, you should write for a car magazine, that was hilarious. :)

Please feel free to add to the list of GM product stupidity:


Kill the Buick Century and Pontiac Grand Prix after achieving unusually high ratings?

Pontiac.....Chevy. To be honest, I don't care what they call it. If it's priced right I would buy it. I guess since I don't buy the whole brand loyalty...chevy is best mantality, it doesn't matter to me. But I think GM will screw it up and over price it, than kill it after a couple years. That seems to be the way they do business lately. They need to at least offer it in several different price levels. Maybe a six cylinder as the entry level. Have something for everyone.

As for the Camero. You couldn't give me one. They in my opinon are just hidious looking. Again....this is GM. They will over price it and the sales just won't be there. I also feel they need to offer a couple different powertrain levels. From a basic six cylinder all the way to a high hp SS.

you guy are @$$es..
everyone.. and I mean everyone.. b!t ched that the new gto was called a GTO
right???????????
thats all g.m. heard... day in day out..
now you're gonna sit at a computer and ,have the gaul,to. b!t ch that the holden ute is badged a pontiac , not a chevy el camino..
you're kidding right..
and they say politians flip ,flop
pick one..
you're either cool with them bring back an older nameplate.. or you're not..
can't have it both ways...
the holden ute was going to be a chevy..
but g.m. remembered all the hate mail from calling the holden coupe a gto..
get your collective heads out of your A--es..
todays cars smoke our muscle cars in every way, but all out looks..
the g8 sport truck will be no different..
before you "sound off" here.. get off your @$$ and go to a pontiac dealer and drive a g8 with the v8.. and then come back here and b!t ch. that it isn't the best v8 car g.m. has ever bolted together..

bowtie6872

Couldn't agree more.
If they had badged it Chevy and named it a El Camino than everyone would be complaining that it doesn't live up to the name.

If you had a choice between the new Camaro or the new El Camino which would you choose? Chevy will not get the new El Camino, it will only be avalable as a Pontiac.

I think I will wait for the crew cab version.

you guy are @$..
everyone.. and I mean everyone.. b!t ched that the new gto was called a GTO
right???????????
thats all g.m. heard... day in day out..
now you're gonna sit at a computer and ,have the gaul,to. b!t ch that the holden ute is badged a pontiac , not a chevy el camino..
you're kidding right..
and they say politians flip ,flop
pick one..
you're either cool with them bring back an older nameplate.. or you're not..
can't have it both ways...
the holden ute was going to be a chevy..
but g.m. remembered all the hate mail from calling the holden coupe a gto..
get your collective heads out of your A--es..
todays cars smoke our muscle cars in every way, but all out looks..
the g8 sport truck will be no different..
before you "sound off" here.. get off your @$$ and go to a pontiac dealer and drive a g8 with the v8.. and then come back here and b!t ch. that it isn't the best v8 car g.m. has ever bolted together..

bowtie6872

Couldn't agree more.
If they had badged it Chevy and named it a El Camino than everyone would be complaining that it doesn't live up to the name.


($0.01)Does the new GTO bear any resemblence to the old GTO? NO! :p
($0.01)Does the new Pontiac sport tuck bear any resemblence to the old el camino? YES! :cool:


you guys are just as bad as everyone else.

As for the Camero. You couldn't give me one.

You're absolutely right, Bryan, we COULDN'T give you one! Those Cameros are just so elusive.... :D

($0.01)Does the new GTO bear any resemblence to the old GTO? NO! :p

With this incredibly stupid way of thinking, the 68 and newer chevelles shouldn't be named chevelles either. The 67 and older look nothing like the 68 and newer. Perhaps we should boycott all 68 and newer chevelles until GM renames them something else because they bear no resembelance.

So many bitched because the GTO looks just like all the other GM cars of today, yet how many on here bitch that when they go to shows people call their chevelles novas? Hmmmm........loos like our chevelles weren't quite as unique as so many like to think they are!!!!

Jeff

With this incredibly stupid way of thinking, the 68 and newer chevelles shouldn't be named chevelles either. The 67 and older look nothing like the 68 and newer. Perhaps we should boycott all 68 and newer chevelles until GM renames them something else because they bear no resembelance.

So many bitched because the GTO looks just like all the other GM cars of today, yet how many on here bitch that when they go to shows people call their chevelles novas? Hmmmm........loos like our chevelles weren't quite as unique as so many like to think they are!!!!

Jeff


Bear in mind, Jeff, that from '64 to '72 there was a continuous offering of the chevelle and each year any changes were a natural progression from the previous model. To compare a year-after-year production of a 64-72 vehicle with a new model coming out some 30 odd years later is just as incredibly stupid.

as far as your nova comment.... I went to the movies with my friend the other night. A nice looking (driver) cutlass cruises by and my buddy goes in to say "wow thats a nice dodge dart" :sad:

I think I will wait for the crew cab version.

You know, if that comment gets around, that a lightbulb is going to go off in some redneck's head. :D

you guy are @$..
everyone.. and I mean everyone.. b!t ched that the new gto was called a GTO
right???????????
thats all g.m. heard... day in day out..
now you're gonna sit at a computer and ,have the gaul,to. b!t ch that the holden ute is badged a pontiac , not a chevy el camino..
you're kidding right..
and they say politians flip ,flop
pick one..
you're either cool with them bring back an older nameplate.. or you're not..
can't have it both ways...
the holden ute was going to be a chevy..
but g.m. remembered all the hate mail from calling the holden coupe a gto..
get your collective heads out of your A--es..
todays cars smoke our muscle cars in every way, but all out looks..
the g8 sport truck will be no different..
before you "sound off" here.. get off your @$$ and go to a pontiac dealer and drive a g8 with the v8.. and then come back here and b!t ch. that it isn't the best v8 car g.m. has ever bolted together..



I believe the phrase you're trying to ASSimilate is, "Get your heads out of your collective a$$es

Also, let's look at the facts. 'Retro' cars are what people want. Who has a soft spot in their heart for a G8? 129 people? Maybe! That's all GM has right now in a four seat RWD performance based car? Get a clue to what the buying public will psend their hard earned dollars on. The muscle cars of the 60's and 70's is what are valued the most, not a homoginized, wind tunnel friendly ToyoHondaIssanaGlobal GM car of future. No matter what drivetrain is inside of it. If a Chevette has a 1,200 HP turbo charged big block 540 in it, it's still a Chevette.....ALL DAY LONG.

Mustangs are priced well, perform well and actually have the looks of what we all know to be, a Mustang. Millions of car buyers can identify with the Mustang. That's a proven fact. I'll bet most of us here have had some seat time in a Mustang or some experience with the car. Ford will continue to sell Mustangs with success for many years to come based on it's character and nostalgia.

Chrysler saw what Ford did and jumped on the opportunity right away. The Challenger also looks like a Challenger and in no way dishonors the mark. It's going to be a hit and you can buy one RIGHT NOW. SRT8 Chargers too, in 60's color schemes. 425 HP dripping in muscle car looks. You can also buy Dodge trucks with big Hemi horse power in wild colors and styling. Does GM have anything like that? They easily could, but they choose not to.

GM, has the most storied history with performance over GM and Ford. What do they offer right now? An SS Cobalt 4 cylinder, an Australian designed rebadged as a Pontiac G8 and a bunch of trucks. The 'Camaro' won't be here for another 7 months minimum and this so-called G8 ST Pontiac sport truck ( say that real quick 10 times) might be available in 18 months in all reality.

Bottom line is that this site is supported and used mostly by fans of GM products. The current offerings are very limited compared to the other 'big 2'. This situation is continuation of disspointments from a company that could be a whole lot better.

So please don't tell me I'm an A$$ and I should march down to a Pontiac dealer and drool all over the G8. If you love it so much, that's good for you. I'm happy for you that you've found automotive nirvana and that's great. For me and others like me, I guess we'll have to stick to carburatored behemoths with Muncie 4 speeds that can't cast a shadow on your wonderous G8 from Pontiac until something better comes along.

($0.01)Does the new GTO bear any resemblence to the old GTO? NO! :p
($0.01)Does the new Pontiac sport tuck bear any resemblence to the old el camino? YES! :cool: D


did the 60-70 gto look like the rest of the pontiac line ? yes
did the 2004-6 gto look like the rest of the pontiac line ? yes

and your point was...
g.m gives us a rear drive car, build nice..fast.. and you b!tch
all the cars from the last 25 year before this..
started out as dogs(78-88 g bodys/82-2002 f body/impala/etc even the little 2 seater pontiac from the 80's) all started as dogs and took years to get it right..
then they killed them..
for one reason or another be it ,to build more trucks,, or can't pass new side crash test(f body)

to years for these cars to get good..
the gto come , out of the box good.. 340hp wasn't good enough(more than most of the older gto's) so in goes a 6liter a year later..
more hp than any older gto.. bet if someone tested the ls 6liter like they did in the 60's/70's it kill the mighty ls6 in hp
not good enough..
it was 33g's sticker
to get that power from the new mustang you need to buy a cobra or a roush.. both over 49g's
again.. b!tch if you like..
but u'r gonna look stupid as a loaded g8 blows yer doors off..

did the 60-70 gto look like the rest of the pontiac line ? yes

did the 2004-6 gto look like the rest of the pontiac line ? yes

and your point was........

in the 60's, the were cool looking...
in the 00's, they are g@y looking...

my $0.02 as long as we are throwing it out there...

and FWIW... that "el camino" falls into the latter category... I dont care what badge is on it....

the 60's cars didn't have aero test to pass (government mandates)
or crash test (government crash test)
the old car do look cool..
but you really don't want to know.. what they'd test at in the mandated crash tests

I

Ford will continue to sell Mustangs with success for many years to come based on it's character and nostalgia.

Chrysler saw what Ford did and jumped on the opportunity right away. The Challenger also looks like a Challenger and in no way dishonors the mark. It's going to be a hit and you can buy one RIGHT NOW. SRT8 Chargers too, in 60's color schemes. 425 HP dripping in muscle car looks. You can also buy Dodge trucks with big Hemi horse power in wild colors and styling. Does GM have anything like that? They easily could, but they choose not to.

.


finny thing is..
we asked for the 4 door.. ever since they killed the impala SS
the new mustang doesn't look like a 2002..
it looks like a 1968 the charger is a 4 door and is not like the older TWO DOOR chaarger..
the chalange .. is a tank.. it's wider and longer than the old one..
the late two where cheap cars.. the new ones aren't cheap..
the mustang is great for a 2nd car or a kids car, or a guy with no kids
a guy with kid ,and it be his only car, would hate a mustang fast..
two doors have less appeal than 4 doors..
again.. you want a 70 velle or nothing else will do..
no matter what g.m. does. will be good enough..

lets see what ford and mopar do to update both said cars..
the mustang with gas prices going up . isn't gonna follow the 68 and get bigger..
I'd look for a new mustang2.. and by the way.. was the best selling mustang ever..

the 60's cars didn't have aero test to pass (government mandates)
or crash test (government crash test)
the old car do look cool..
but you really don't want to know.. what they'd test at in the mandated crash tests

I totally see your point. I guess I dont like the "aero look"...

How did F#rd manage to make such a nice looking car then? I have no brand loyalty (sorry chevy guys)...I am all about looks and performance...looks first, performance second. You can always change out the drivetrain.... Chevy (GM in general), to re-iterate the point made earlier, has been missing the mark IMHO. The last car that GM made that caught my eye was the "Ram Air" T/A (not sure of the year)...Dodge has been a trend setter in terms of body design (JMO)...a V8 RWD PT Cruiser would be fun though....Ford...they are all over it with the mustangs... (slap me now)

I am still stuck on my old chevy though when all is said and done...

...the chalange .. is a tank.. it's wider and longer than the old one......

the challenger is much nicer looking in real life (saw one at 7-11 yesterday)....the camera adds 20 lbs... ;)

Camaro all the way for me... I just don't like that G-8, it's FUGLY!

I wonder how the peformance of the new Camaro is compared to the new El Camino? If the Camaro is priced close to 50k and the El Camino is 31k than there is enough price difference to buy a brand new crate LS7 and drop it into the El Camino.

the challenger is much nicer looking in real life (saw one at 7-11 yesterday)....the camera adds 20 lbs... ;)

I saw one "live" at a show.. with the older '71 beside it..
it is bigger.. and not by a little

they both suck

You're absolutely right, Bryan, we COULDN'T give you one! Those Cameros are just so elusive.... :D

No matter how you spell it...I still think they are ugly as sin.

did the 60-70 gto look like the rest of the pontiac line ? yes
did the 2004-6 gto look like the rest of the pontiac line ? yes

and your point was...


my point was that you were whining about others whining that the GTO should not have been called a GTO. It didn't look like the old GTO so fair enough, it should not be called a GTO. This new sport truck actually looks like an el camino, and people (this is my observation thus far from this thread) would like to see it called the el camino and have a chevrolet badge. so don't whine that people want this new sport truck to me called an elcamino just because they whined that the new gto should not have been named a gto.



more simply stated:
the new GTO does not look like an old GTO peole don't want it to be called a GTO.

the new sport struck does look like an el camino, people want it to be called an el camino.

Like I said earlier. I don't care what they call it. If they price it right I may be tempted to buy one. I have heard that it won't be called El Camino or G8 ST. There was a contest to name it. But I never heard what the final name would be. Or if the contest is over or not.
And I do think there is a 4 door Holden Ute. The Crewmen I think. I may be wrong. If I am...please feel free to correct me.
Why can't they give it a new name? I'm kind of getting sick of the whole retro name thing anyway.

This circular argument is very informative, entertaining, new every time and ooooohhhh so fascinating.....:sad::p

Theres only two possible reasons - we have a large amount of folks with severe memory issues and this argument is fresh and new to them when it comes up almost weekly......or people are slightly autistic and just dont get bored with the same repetative actions.

Ask yourself....am I autistic (if you ask yourself this 5 times in a row and maybe you have to pinch yourself on the neck and yell out WOOOBIDY! while doing complex mathematical equations- your answer is probably yes)......ask yourself if your suffering from alzheimers (if your wife walks in and asks you why your asking yourself that for the 7th time in one hour and why you are sitting in your own urine at your computer - BINGO!)

If either of these come up positive maybe put it under your screen handle so we know why your so enthusiastic about making the very same comments in the very same type threads with no new twist, humor or news and guys like me can be at rest in our confusion.

I'll sum it up like this - ALL new cars suck. ALL manufacturers with their lack of imagination, inginuity and this whole retro movement SUCK and all those buying into it and arguing over and over again....ahhhh....you dont suck....your just either autistic or suffer from alzheimers so its not your fault....we just need to know...

:D:p

my point was that you were whining about others whining that the GTO should not have been called a GTO. It didn't look like the old GTO so fair enough, it should not be called a GTO. This new sport truck actually looks like an el camino, and people (this is my observation thus far from this thread) would like to see it called the el camino and have a chevrolet badge. so don't whine that people want this new sport truck to me called an elcamino just because they whined that the new gto should not have been named a gto.



more simply stated:
the new GTO does not look like an old GTO peole don't want it to be called a GTO.

the new sport struck does look like an el camino, people want it to be called an el camino.

and the '68 didn't look like a '64
and a '73 didn't look like a '64 or '68
and the '74 didn't loook likle any other..
but all looked like the rest of that years pontiac line.. JUST LIKE THE 2004-6..
ANY 2 DOOR WAGON WITH THE ROOF CUT OFF WILL LOOK LIKE A EL CAMINO.. EVEN A FORD.. RANCHARO

ALL manufacturers with their lack of imagination, inginuity and this whole retro movement SUCK and all those buying into it and arguing over and over again....ahhhh....you dont suck....your just either autistic or suffer from alzheimers so its not your fault....we just need to know...

:D:p

I'll go with the Alzheimers. That way I can effectively argue not remembering anything I type, so I can type it again and again and people will either feel sorry for me, or start agreeing with me. Thanks for noticing that I don't SUCK! ;)

Calling it an "El Camino" would be a sales disaster. I know we all love them here, but the general public (you know, those people who buy new cars) tend to associate the "El Camino" name with rednecks, trailer parks, etc...

...It reminds me of when I was single and had just bought a '66 El Camino and I was out cruising for chicks. :) Some girls I met the week before in my Chevelle saw me and asked what it was. When I said "66 El Camino" they responded "Oh, I hate El Caminos" :clonk: They didn't even know what it was, but after I said "El Camino" they instantly hated it. :o

We, as car-guys and A-body fanatics, don't see them the same way the general public does.

I just got a new Motor Trend magazine today with an article and pictures of the new Camaro.

My prediction....they are going to sell a bunch of them and Ford is going to have a real competitor for the Mustang.

Camaro V-6, more than 300 hp, V-8 around 420.

New pictures from different angles look great to me, (and I bought a new Z-28 in 1968). Of course my opinion might be suspect because I liked the '04-'06 GTO...and would love to own one.:)

Anyway, unless Ford gets busy the Camaro is going to leave it in the dust performance wise, and most people are going to like the looks.

Too bad they keep delaying it, and the other negative is weight, estimated 3700 lbs. for the V-6 and 3900 for the SS V-8.

Bear in mind, Jeff, that from '64 to '72 there was a continuous offering of the chevelle and each year any changes were a natural progression from the previous model. To compare a year-after-year production of a 64-72 vehicle with a new model coming out some 30 odd years later is just as incredibly stupid.

as far as your nova comment.... I went to the movies with my friend the other night. A nice looking (driver) cutlass cruises by and my buddy goes in to say "wow thats a nice dodge dart" :sad:

You think the chevelle was a natural progression from 67 to 68? Perhaps you need to look at pictures of both side by side. They look nothing alike, other than the same number of body panels. 72 to 73 was another enormous jump in body design and looks. If this is what you call natural progression, then the 04 GTO fits directly into that progression. If you think that the GTO should be left off in 74 and picked up right back in line in 2004 looking like it was left off in 1974, you are sadly living in a dream world.

You think this is natural progression for a GTO huh? 1967

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/984/pontiacgto1967aop3.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontiacgto1967aop3.jpg)

1968

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8823/pontiacgto1968aps7.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontiacgto1968aps7.jpg)

1973 GTO

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2732/pontiacgto1973ayo5.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontiacgto1973ayo5.jpg)

More natural progression for you, 1974 GTO

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6522/pontiacgto1974apv8.th.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontiacgto1974apv8.jpg)

Now how is it that those look alike?

Jeff

G8 Sedan ``

You think the chevelle was a natural progression from 67 to 68? Perhaps you need to look at pictures of both side by side. They look nothing alike, other than the same number of body panels. 72 to 73 was another enormous jump in body design and looks. If this is what you call natural progression, then the 04 GTO fits directly into that progression. If you think that the GTO should be left off in 74 and picked up right back in line in 2004 looking like it was left off in 1974, you are sadly living in a dream world.

You think this is natural progression for a GTO huh? 1967

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/984/pontiacgto1967aop3.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontiacgto1967aop3.jpg)

1968

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8823/pontiacgto1968aps7.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pontiacgto1968aps7.jpg)

1973 GTO

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More natural progression for you, 1974 GTO

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Now how is it that those look alike?

Jeff


I had one of those '74's, White with red interior. No where near stock (455), but that shaker hood would do more than shake when I pushed that gas pedal. :) I loved that car and wished I had it to this day. It would be sitting right next to the Chevelle.

Anyway, unless Ford gets busy the Camaro is going to leave it in the dust performance wise, and most people are going to like the looks.


The Camaro has been killing Fords in HP for years, that's nothing new. But, it's not always about HP with some people. I think my new Mustang looks better than that new Camaro (whenever it gets here) and I know it will be slower than the Camaro. That price tag on the Camaro is going to scare a lot of people off, and the Mustang will keep on selling. I understand you were saying Ford in general, but I was using the Mustang as an example. I didn't use the Cobra, Shelby or the Ford GT, we all know the Camaro has nothing on those cars. :)

The Camaro has been killing Fords in HP for years, that's nothing new. But, it's not always about HP with some people. I think my new Mustang looks better than that new Camaro (whenever it gets here) and I know it will be slower than the Camaro. That price tag on the Camaro is going to scare a lot of people off, and the Mustang will keep on selling. I understand you were saying Ford in general, but I was using the Mustang as an example. I didn't use the Cobra, Shelby or the Ford GT, we all know the Camaro has nothing on those cars. :)

The Ford dealer near me has a new Bullet Edition Mustang. I want it really bad, but there is no way I can afford it. Hope I didn't insult your Mustang cause I didn't mean to. After seeing the Motor Trend photos, especailly the side view of the new Camaro, it looks a lot better to me that I originally thought it did.

Oh, and I didn't use the new Corvette ZR1.:)

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the new sport struck does look like an el camino, people want it to be called an el camino.

...looks more like a subaroo brat

Like I said earlier. I don't care what they call it. If they price it right I may be tempted to buy one. I have heard that it won't be called El Camino or G8 ST. There was a contest to name it. But I never heard what the final name would be. Or if the contest is over or not.
And I do think there is a 4 door Holden Ute. The Crewmen I think. I may be wrong. If I am...please feel free to correct me.
Why can't they give it a new name? I'm kind of getting sick of the whole retro name thing anyway.

You were correct! I would drive one of these.

The Ford dealer near me has a new Bullet Edition Mustang. I want it really bad, but there is no way I can afford it. Hope I didn't insult your Mustang cause I didn't mean to. After seeing the Motor Trend photos, especailly the side view of the new Camaro, it looks a lot better to me that I originally thought it did.

Oh, and I didn't use the new Corvette ZR1.:)

Oh, no problem I knew you were using those as examples. I did test that new Bullitt Mustang. Not worth it to me for the extra dough. It wasn't that much nicer than my Mustang, so why spend the money on badges and a name plate? Plus, the GT sounded better than the Bullitt. In all honesty, and not because I got the GT, I think the GT looks better.

I agree, I like the way the new Camaro looks as well, especially that yellow one, I guess it grew on me. Kind of like the new Mustangs did a few years back. If I could afford the new Camaro right now, I would buy my wife one, she wants a '69; the newer one would be cheaper. ;)

Point very well taken on the Corvete ZR1 comment. :)

I wonder if the guys on Team Camaro would do "us" the same way we are doing "them"? LOL