Okay...in my search of a 70, 396, 4-spd I keep running across this car. What's wrong with it that keeps people from bidding on it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1970-CHEVELLE-SS-MATCHING-4-SPEED-WITH-BUILD-SHEET_W0QQitemZ160260191503QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160260191503&_trksid=p3756.m14.l1318

What is it worth in your opinions?

There not showing the underside, and that make take a good twenty grand to get it right, then after that you would have to repaint the car, so tack another 8 to 14 grand on that.

I'm guessing on the underside, but thats usually the story when they don't mention all of the sheet metal that has been replaced.

Didn't sell, reserve not met. I thought the SS cars came with built in tach?

Okay...in my search of a 70, 396, 4-spd I keep running across this car. What's wrong with it that keeps people from bidding on it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1970-CHEVELLE-SS-MATCHING-4-SPEED-WITH-BUILD-SHEET_W0QQitemZ160260191503QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160260191503&_trksid=p3756.m14.l1318

What is it worth in your opinions?

I feel for you trying to find a good 70 at a reasonable price.

Theres a few things you could do to keep from getting beat up when you buy one.

Ask for pictures of the underside of the car, clear pictures, real clear pictures of the.

floorpans

floor supports

trunk pans

trunk supports

rubber body mount area

under the back bumper, up high betweent the gas tank and bumper

where the floor support joins the rocker panel

where the right side of the front floor (toe board) ties into the cowl

several looks at the frame

underneath the bottom of the doors

a close look where the chrome moulding goes along the back windshield, right at the very edge of that.

Once you get these pictures, put them on here where we can see them.

If you can't get pictures, to repeat here, clear pictures.

Then find somebody that has done an actual frame off on one of these to look it over.

Its either this or all of the above, or your rolling the dice.

The body is only a part of looking at a car, but it is usually the most expensive thing to fix on one.

Now lets take a good look at the picture taking deal I just talked about.

To get good pictures, this will take the guy selling the car a good six to eight hours to get them and put them on line.

So, we go to the price of the car, lets say $20,000.

He doesn't want to or doesn't know how to get good pictures or put them on line.

Okay, then he could hire somebody to get them at $50 an hour, I'm sure theres takers at that, 8 hours x 50 = $400.

Now, how many guys will spend the $400 to get the pictures, not many, but considering the price of the car, $400 for pictures is not out of line.

Also keep in mind, and this is pretty important, if you can get good (clear pictures) and put them on, we have some professional body men on here, not me, I'm just a hobbist, but between the professional body men and us hobbists the car you are thinking about buying will be looked over with a fine tooth comb, and they will tell you whats wrong with any part of it.

These cars are fourty years old and not perfect, but it is possible to find a good one.

Anyway, hope this answers your question, and good luck.:thumbsup:

Rob

Didn't sell, reserve not met. I thought the SS cars came with built in tach?

Gauges (other than gas and speedometer) were not a standard part of the SS package. They had to be ordered.

Build sheet was nicely done. They just need to remember to type it BEFORE they "age" it.

Build sheet was nicely done. They just need to remember to type it BEFORE they "age" it.

Yep, that build sheet looks like a fake for sure. I would think the typing would fade some after 38 years. You notice he doesn't give any details about it's authenticity either.

Regardless if its real or not,going by the pictures it looks to be a nice car.

its amazing what happens if you show up in person,inspect the car 100% and if you still like it and have cash...

Call them and ask them what they want for the car. It wouldn't surprise me if what you hear is WAY too much money for this car. If the price was within reason and it held up under personal inspection, this car would sell in a heartbeat with those colors and a 4 speed. There is obviously an issue as to why it isn't selling, a little more research and I'm sure you'll find out why.

I just solved part of your question for you, they're asking 49,900. for the car and obviously will take less but it's still up in the 40's to own it. I would expect something more complete, correct and turn key for that money.

Build sheet was nicely done. They just need to remember to type it BEFORE they "age" it.

Guess you need to do some homework. That sheet is a legitimate sheet. Real as the piece of door panel it is glued to. :yes:

Thanks for the information, guys. I'm learning....slowly...but surely!

Thanks for the information, guys. I'm learning....slowly...but surely!

Your doing it the smart way, asking questions up front, for that kind of money the underside might of been real nice, but you have to look at them.

49K. Good luck with all that. How these dealers are selling cars is beyond me.:rolleyes:

That dealer always has high priced cars no matter the quality they just want top dollar.

I didn't realize you could get an SS with the idiot light gauge panel...

Okay...in my search of a 70, 396, 4-spd I keep running across this car. What's wrong with it that keeps people from bidding on it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___1970-CHEVELLE-SS-MATCHING-4-SPEED-WITH-BUILD-SHEET_W0QQitemZ160260191503QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Truc ksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160260191503&_trksid=p3756.m14.l1318

What is it worth in your opinions?

maybe people are getting smart about buying these cars from dealers.

I didn't realize you could get an SS with the idiot light gauge panel...

70-72 SS cars were standard equipped with the round gauge pod idiot light panel.You had to order the gauges and clock as they were an option.

You ever look on here. http://www.racingjunk.com/

Rob

Rob:

I have never looked on that site. I will do so now. Thanks! I guess one other restriction I have placed on a car is that I really want to see it in person before I dump money on it. I know that has severely limited my options as well. It's time for me to develop patience and wait for the right one to come along.

Stephen

Stephen, this is a dealer, but he usually has a bunch of chevelles, anyway check it out.

http://www.showdownmusclecars.com/

Rob

Rob, I've been to that dealer and he is way too proud of his cars. About $15-20K too proud!

Stephen, this is a dealer, but he usually has a bunch of chevelles, anyway check it out.

http://www.showdownmusclecars.com/

Rob

Rob, I've been to that dealer and he is way too proud of his cars. About $15-20K too proud!

Yeah, but Sonny's a nice guy, though! :D

wow...this one just ended... and someone got a nice price. Wish I had 26K to bid on that one ;-(
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150271609404#ebayphotohosting

yup..I was watching that one too...looks to be a nice ride for the money

I was sure that was gonna hit 30 something in the last 30 seconds. Is there something wrong that I'm missing ??? Who ever is selling that took a loss... ( imho )

I was sure that was gonna hit 30 something in the last 30 seconds. Is there something wrong that I'm missing ??? Who ever is selling that took a loss... ( imho )

Whats missing, he doesn't have any pictures of the underside of the car, its in the midwest and no mention of any panel replacement.

In his ad he says.

solid car no rust! Note the exclamation mark.

He did show the underside of the door, but it was to dark to see.

This car has about as much of a chance of being rust free as I am being the next space shuttle commander.

I guess the next question we could ask ourselves, does a little rust underside of the car hurt it, does it really matter that much.

In some cases it really doesn't, who looks under there anyway.

Then in other cases it does.

You take an all original matching numbers car with original paint, and you will see comments, its really valuable being a survivor, leave it alone, don't touch it. This is true statement, it usually can be kept for a few years and resold for more then what you paid for it.

This particular car doesn't fit into that category, it doesn't have the orginal engine and its been repainted, and more in likely has some other changes besides the intake manifold.

So now, lets take another look at just this particular car, the question is, what is it really worth.

The only way to determine the value of this car, is to asses the new owner.

What will the person that buys this car do with it. If he keeps it in a garage, drives it only a few times once in a while, takes it to a few car shows, which is what a lot of us do, nothing wrong with that, then its a good deal for somebody to buy it.

But, down the road, the rust on the under belly of this car is going to rear its ugly head.

The first sign of a problem, you take the car out for a ride on a nice Sunday morning, bring it back home, park it out front and go into the house to get some coffee.

The overhead garage door is open, so you walk through the garage into the house, and as your walking through you see some stuff on the floor, stop and look at it, and it looks like little pieces of rust or scale about the width of a pencil eraser.

You keep on walking and the moment passes.

What happened here, is when he got in the car to go for his sunday drive he slammed the car door a little hard, and this rust probably came out from between the floor supports and floor pan.

I had a 69 dart a couple years back, had a 440 with headers, just a little something to run around town with.

It was a rock solid looking car, faded paint but she set right up there looking nice and solid.

One day I started it up to go for a ride and it got a husk in it, and backfired real bad, bad enough to split both mufflers right down the seam.

I didn't know it until I got back from a little ride with it, and you wouldn't believe the rust and shale I found under it from that back fire, and it wasn't just under the mufflers, it was scattered in little tiny piles in other areas under the car.

Anyway, back to the this car, what effect will a little rust under have on the car.

When you have a car like this all original, you want to be carefull how and where you drive it, very slowly over railroad tracks, and don't go down rough roads, just baby it, but don't expect to get it out on the highway and go for a long trip and maybe beat on it a little.

Its all original so its fourty years old, hows the plumbing in your fourty year old house, do the windows still go up and down, a car is kind of like a house, I don't need to say anymore about this.

But what happens to these cars if they haven't had new rubber body mounts put in them and some of these underside panels replaced. They have been known to rust out right at the body mount, so it is no longer supported at that mount area.

This could mean a case of spot welded sheet metal being supported by a metal frame with no cushion whatsoever in that area. Simple things like where muffler hangers are, rust right into the frame, the part of the frame where the steering gear bolts to, rusted out, the gas tank supports rusting out, theres no end to it.

Somebody puts a little dent in your bumper, so you order a new one, then the fun starts trying to get the bolts out that hold it on, and what you run into when you finally get that bumper off and get a look at whats rusted under there.

If your a guy that takes your car in to have somebody else fix it, this could get ugly real quick. One problem needs to another.

So I've mentioned the good and the bad, now back to the original question, what is the car really worth.

To the right guy that isn't to fussy about having everything right on the money, the guy that had one of these fourty years ago, the guy that couldn't afford one of these fourty years ago, maybe he wants to go back fourty years, bring back some old memories, maybe just a young guy or girl that wants one, you know, this car could give a lot of us a lot of pleasure just the way it is, including myself, and thats a good thing to.

Rob

Rob You have hit it dead on. Especially for a first time buyer. This car would suit the buyer right up until he took his pride and joy to a cruise or car show. Once it gets settled in next to all the nice cars there are anywhere in the country visions of greatest start bouncing thru their head. The aura of original should only be paid for when buying an almost true musuem piece because once it is touched all that blue sky you paid for is long gone.

This car should be valued by its worth after a restoration. At this money it could easily be worth $15K less than investment the day it is finished.

Anyone have interest in the originally posted 70 Chevelle, I am in Clearwater on vacation and could stop by there on one of my out and about trips.

wow...this one just ended... and someone got a nice price. Wish I had 26K to bid on that one ;-(
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=150271609404#ebayphotohosting

Good deal is right, someone certainly did on that one for sure. My favorite 1970 color for sure. 2 or 3 years ago, that would have been a 40K car easily. I wish I had the dough too.

Even if that one had some rust underneath, I'll take 70' SS's in that condition with docs for 25K all day long...line em up !!! I think that example just shows how people aren't dropping cash on toys right now...