Classic Small block vs. Big block…
Yesterday during the Year One “Commerce Challenge”, Marooned (Mike Norman) with his “Rat Killer” ’65 small block Chevelle and myself with the ’70 540 Chevelle had the opportunity to line up for a heads up, no holds race.
Mike had been previously warned by Tech to keep his car slower than an 11.49 or he would be forced to park it. The car only has factory seatbelts…no 5 point harness.
ACES1 was present to record this historic event on film. ;)
Extended burnouts were required. :D

The results:

Small block / Big block

R/T ___ .036 / .024
60’ ___ 1.520 / 1.509
330’ __ 4.412 / 4.396
1/8 ___ 6.867 / 6.843
mph __ 100.08 / 100.99
1000' __ 9.138 / 8.958
¼ ____ 11.585 / 10.755
mph ___ 81.19 / 124.95

As you can see, a very tight race thru the 1/8 mi.
That's one quick little small block... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Sounds like a good time!

What's going to take to get this video?


Mike has a role cage in that thing, right? But only a lap seat belt? HA! :D

Right on. Once you get the bbc moving, (watch out)! Excellent run.

Looks like you pretty much had him covered all the way Bill, congratulations. What do both cars weigh with drivers aboard?

First of all, Thanks to Bill, Dana, Kjett, Joe S & Mike Newby for a great time. That was a fun day.

I rolled mine across the scales after the run.

3825 with me in it. :eek:

I lifted at or about the 1000' mark and got on the brakes.

My poor reaction time was cuz I was waiting on the Pizza guy from Johnny-B's to get there. graemlins/beers.gif

Haven't had that much fun since the hog's ate my 9 year old brother.

Now thats a nice match race :cool:
look forward to seeing the video
Bill,congrats on a 10.75 pass graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Hey marooned, looked pretty close. I'd say he had you by about a tenth plus the slight hole shot. Your 65 is awful heavy for a small block. My '67 SS with an iron headed 396 only weighes 3450 + driver. How are you guys getting these cars so heavy with a engine that is 140 pounds lighter than a rat?

Originally posted by Harold Sutton:
How are you guys getting these cars so heavy with a engine that is 140 pounds lighter than a rat? Gotta be the graemlins/beers.gif !

I weighed yesterday...same scale...3700 lbs w/ driver.
Full bench interior, street legal (mufflers), 6 point moly cage...basically fully equiped as is Mike.

The car weighed 3300 pounds 2 years agow/o driverI would guess 150# for the cage and + another battery, Stock rad was swapped for an Alum, just a heavy street car I guess.

Mine is thru the exhaust with the air cleaner on.

ya'all should have been there it was very cool even though my small block doesn't run that fast i also had a great time i dont think there is a video but a still pic thats all but still just as cool its been a long struggle but we (bill & Dana )were very pleased with the 10second runs graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif oh yea they didnt tell ya'all about my PERFECT light graemlins/hurray.gif

Oh yeah, Dana had a .000 lite against a .010

Now if I can just get Bill to have those heads ported......now Marooned has me thinking Nitrous....I'm thinking 8.80's graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Get your video Joe?

What video? :confused:

Originally posted by marooned:
Get your video Joe? Broken shifter run...Emailed to work address...

Bill's gonna send you a video of your first pass Saturday, I shot it

Was any nitrous used?

Bill's got AFR heads and 10. something compression doesn't he? Marooned, it looks like your run would have been about a 10.8 if allowed to go the distance.

Originally posted by DanaB:
ya'all should have been there it was very cool even though my small block doesn't run that fast i also had a great time i dont think there is a video but a still pic thats all but still just as cool its been a long struggle but we (bill & Dana )were very pleased with the 10second runs graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif oh yea they didnt tell ya'all about my PERFECT light graemlins/hurray.gif Tell us about your 383. smile.gif

Everytime I've posted anything about my motor on this site someone says thats not possible or you can't do that.
My block casting No. is 010 and the motor runs on pump gas.

Mike,

You've got that thing flying! graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Wish I'd been there!!!

You guys are havin too much fun!!! graemlins/beers.gif graemlins/waving.gif

Originally posted by von:
Was any nitrous used? Yes it was. ;) The SBC in question was only running 7.30's @ 93 last year and 6.80's @ 100 this year. You don't pick up 7 MPH without major changes. It's not too tough to figure out. :D

"mousefighter's" Chevelle runs 7.0's and would spank "moron's" combo any day, any time, any place.

Bottles are for babies!

Originally posted by Harold Sutton:
Bill's got AFR heads and 10. something compression doesn't he? Out of the box Dart 325cc Pro I...10.5 CR... built especially for street drivin'/cruise night friendly on pump gas.

hey rmchevelle you will have to ask billscamino about the 383 he designed it he's the engine man im the brake and suspension man smile.gif

How and the heck did I miss all of this? :mad: Am I that dumb?Would have loved to see those cars run.

Rob

You boys are fast. Congrats to you graemlins/beers.gif

Jerry

Originally posted by Bob4Prez:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by von:
Was any nitrous used? Yes it was. ;) The SBC in question was only running 7.30's @ 93 last year and 6.80's @ 100 this year. You don't pick up 7 MPH without major changes. It's not too tough to figure out. :D

"mousefighter's" Chevelle runs 7.0's and would spank "moron's" combo any day, any time, any place.

Bottles are for babies! </font>[/QUOTE]There have been major changes since last year. But I'll let Mike tell about them.

Nice job Bill and Mike graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Kripes, com'on the guy's running against a 540!!!

When I called it RATKILLER I meant against all us 396/427/ maybe 454 street guys. Man, you don't give it a 100 shot or even a 150 shot to make up for all that cube differential, you aren't going to keep up with a 540!

Point is, each could drive it home from the track if they wanted. Pump gas.

TOO COOL! Can't wait to see the vids!

Hey Mike, now you know what it felt like to line up against RATKILLER, er Marooned, last year at CB. My pizza had anchovies though. redface.gif

How cool, I can't wait to see the TV MOVIE! :D

Oh, and BOTH you GUYS, Y'ALL GOT SOME DARN FAST RIDES!!! graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif graemlins/thumbsup.gif

You both have come a long way since you built your current iterations of a " BALLZ OUT Chevelle"!

Thanks Gene.

We had a fun weekend, that's what it's all about, rite?

Bob4Prez,

"Moron" That's a little uncalled for on a freindly site like this. You sign on the site 9-14-04, no info as to who you are or what your intrests are and you attack.

Sheetmetal is a freind of mine and glad his car has come out as good as it has.

Get a life Bob, make it someplace other than this site. ;)

Sorry i got your heads wrong Bill. Both cars are very nice examples of old muscle cars. I once had a chance to buy a 1965 Z-16 Chevelle but thought i owed too much at the time. What a mistake. I really like the maroon color on Mike's car. Guess he'll have to squeeze it a little harder next time. P.S... Who is "mousefighter" anyways?

Originally posted by Harold Sutton:
Sorry I got your heads wrong, Bill.That's :cool: , Harold.
An honest mistake really. I had AFR 195s on the 383 that was in this car last year. Another mild combo with a solid flat tappet cam that ran mid 12s.
I would have loved to try thier new BB versions but couldn't wait all that lead time AFR needed to manufacture at the time (last fall).

Originally posted by marooned:
Thanks Gene.

We had a fun weekend, that's what it's all about, rite?

Bob4Prez,

"Moron" That's a little uncalled for on a freindly site like this. You sign on the site 9-14-04, no info as to who you are or what your intrests are and you attack.

Sheetmetal is a freind of mine and glad his car has come out as good as it has.

Get a life Bob, make it someplace other than this site. ;) Tell ya what. Come clean and tell the truth about your ride, the fact that your ET's are on the bottle and I'll take back the comment.

BTW, if "this" or any board is your life then you're the one that needs to get one. ;)

Originally posted by Bob4Prez:
BTW, if "this" or any board is your life then you're the one that needs to get one. ;) This is MY topic.
You are verbally assaulting my friend.
If you don't have anything constructive to contribute, take your sarcasm elsewhere. :rolleyes:
NO profile, 5 posts of NO valuable substance...looks like a troll to me. graemlins/sad.gif

Ok. My buddies 540 powered '69 has gone 10.33 @ 129 on pump. How's that?

what has YOUR car done? Anything "your buddy" has done doesn't mean s%$#

My ride? Well I don't know yet. The engine dyno'ed 649 HP @ 6800.

Hmmm, what was that phrase I often hear? "There's no dyno's at the racetrack?" LOL.

I'll have to go along with the BSE boys on this one, dyno's don't mean squat, the 1320 is the only real measure of and engine's power and the ability of the car/driver to make use of it.

That being said, my car only runs 15s, so I can honestly say it is a Slowpoke. :D

Good job Bill and Norm!

Originally posted by Bob4Prez:
Tell ya what. Come clean and tell the truth about your ride, the fact that your ET's are on the bottle and I'll take back the comment...Bob - I don't know anything about Marooned's ride, but I can personally vouch for the fact that you don't need a bottle to perform at that level with a 383 sbc.

Originally posted by Slowpoke70:
...my car only runs 15s, so I can honestly say it is a Slowpoke. Yeah, but it's still way faster than Bob's is currently tongue.gif

Every time I've raced a dyno, I've won. They're not very quick.

Awesome times guys! Doesn't matter what it is, or how it's powered, anything that goes 10s (or 11s on the brakes) is FAST.

Well, I was there, so here's what I saw...

1) I saw Bill & Mike make the match race pass, so I can vouch for the numbers

2) I saw Dana run 13.55

3) I saw Joe run 10.02

4) I saw Kenny run a 10.74

5) I certainly DID NOT see Bob4Prez's dyno engine, or his buddy's 540 powered 69, anywhere on the premises. I did see some toothless moron with "Bob" tatooed on his arm walking around wearing an orange vest and picking up garbage. Coincidence?

Originally posted by Georgia69:
I did see some toothless moron with "Bob" tatooed on his arm walking around wearing an orange vest and picking up garbage. Coincidence? hehe...now that's funny. Congrats to Bill and Mike on a couple killer runs! And let's not foget my first pass 11.06@104.91 hitting the brakes at ~900' when my driver's side muffler fell off and was mauled as I dragged it down the track trying to slow the car down :mad:

Wow, sorry I missed the big match race. I must've been busy with Patrick. I didn't realize marooned's car was a small block or I would have pestered him with questions.

Dana, you must've been hitting the practice tree over the last few weeks. A perfect light? I've got a few 501 lights and a few 499s but never the magic 500. Congrats.

Dana/Bill/Joe, make sure you guys keep Nov 6 clear on your calendar to make the Carolina race with KJ and me. With the potential for nice cool air and the great prep at that track we should all be setting new personal bests.

-gw

Originally posted by kjett:
[QUOTE]And let's not foget my first pass 11.06@104.91 hitting the brakes at ~900' when my driver's side muffler fell off and was mauled as I dragged it down the track trying to slow the car down :mad: Ouch! Did it get tangled up in the new HRP anti-roll? Any damage to the car?

Originally posted by Epistuff:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by kjett:
And let's not foget my first pass 11.06@104.91 hitting the brakes at ~900' when my driver's side muffler fell off and was mauled as I dragged it down the track trying to slow the car down :mad: Ouch! Did it get tangled up in the new HRP anti-roll? Any damage to the car? </font>No damage other than the muffler. The front clamp came loose. Luckily the rear clamp held. No damage other than the muffler. Unfortunately these mufflers are no longer being sold (Straightline Performance large case race mufflers). Hopefully I can salvage this one :(

Wow. I can't believe you're not impressed with what Desktop Dyno says my motor is making. You guys are kinda tough on people on this board. I'm thinking about getting a G-tech this weekend so I'll have some better numbers for you next week.

Hehehehe.......Desktop Dyno......

Hehehehe.......G-Tech......

This has become one BRUTAL rap session!.....Bob,is your buddies ride 3700 lbs? Bills combination is nothing radical either......it wouldnt be too hard to make his car much faster! graemlins/boring.gif

Bt the way gwarren, count me out with the Nova.......motor has issues and needs overhaul(new block,I have),springs, rings you name it....I'll get my 9.79 in March next year graemlins/waving.gif

gwarren,
That's a quick combo you have there. Mind sharing the details?

Originally posted by Bob4Prez:
gwarren,
That's a quick combo you have there. Mind sharing the details? Wow, civilized actions.

Maroon,
That's a quick combo. Mind sharing the details?

Bob, seems like you're capable of being civilized, big changes in you brain's combo since yesterday?

To all concerned, Definately skip the G-Tech it's kind of like laxative and you know what that does to you.

Originally posted by Bob4Prez:
Ok. My buddies 540 powered '69 has gone 10.33 @ 129 on pump. How's that? Hey Bob...you don't know a guy in New Jersey named Brian with a gold Camaro do you? Or a guy named Ed Bigley? Because you sure do resemble them...