The title says it all. I know/think that they only made (201) 1965 Z-16s but is that why they're more
valuable (only an example)?

It really depends on the car, a Z16 was the first big block Chevelle SS to come along, like a prototype car, therefore the value skyrockets, A two door post 6 cyl car is most likely a low number of cars built, but doesn't necessarily boost its value.

Leo nailed it, unfortunately a lot of sellers are not aware of this and automatically think rare = valuable. I see it all the time on eBay and CL.

Rare just means there are few of them. Dollar value should increase only if it is a desirable item. As Brent said, people try to capitalize on the fact that if something is rare it automaticly makes it worth more - not true!

... if something is rare it automaticly makes it worth more - not true! I guess there's my answer. But if anyone has any input feel free to vent.
Thanx, Frank

Pretty much sums it up....Rare does not equal value/desireability.

It is all in how you define rare. For me Rare is something with a limited production. Something that has say 1000 or less of them made. To many people tend to think rare is anything older than yesterdays newspaper.
Those cars with limited production tend to be ones with high performance engines and such. It is this reason they would be considered rare AND valueable.

When I worked at a garage 30 years ago there were some "rare" cars owned by some of our customers. The '69 396 Nova was rare and desirable, the '71 Bel-Air with the six and three on the tree manual trans was probably more rare but not desireable.

Paul

Good example Paul. Another example I like to sight was the '67 Corvette. The Automatic Powerglide was rare in that car but doesn't hold a candle to the more common 4-speed as far as desireabiltiy and value go.

Not to mention the 60 1965 Vettes with disc brake delete....4WDB introduced that year
or a Vette with the base 3-spd manual trans, the base trans as late as 1968!!!!

How about a 67 Camaro with bench frt seat and column shift?

Not to mention the 60 1965 Vettes with disc brake delete....4WDB introduced that year

How about a 67 Camaro with bench frt seat and column shift?

As for the disc brake option, a lot of people were scared of disc brakes in the early sixties. Early disc brakes were troublesome and expensive to repair. As for the column shift in a Camaro, a good friend had a '71 with column shift and buckets without a console!

Paul

Gotta agree that rare doesn't always mean valuable.

There was a 70 Malibu 6-cyl convertible on eBay just recently. Owner had installed a small block thinking the car would sell better. As there were only 381 6-cyl Malibu convertibles in 1970, owner is now considering putting the 6-cyl back in it due to its rarity. Would putting the original engine and driveline back in make it more valuable? To a historian collector, maybe. To a hot rodder or cloner, probably not.

Price formula

Rare x desirability = $$$

Supply, demand = price

if you have either rare or desirable independently you don't have the large price yet. Have them both and now you're talking big money.

Wanna talk rare, my wife has a 63 Chrysler Newport. She loves the square steering wheel and push button trans. We have never seen another on the road or at a show and have only seen 4 or 5 hit ebay in the 6 years we have owned this one. We paid $500.00 for it with 45,000 orig. little old lady miles. It's worth every penny I paid for it and not a nickle more. It may be rare but who wants one??? It handles poorly, gets bad mileage considering the poor performance of the 36? V8 and that cool square steering wheel is a pain in the neck to drive with. The love it or hate it styling does little to increase it's desirability.
They made 10 of my 64 SS chevelles for every one Newport Chrysler built...desirability dictates my more common chevelle is worth 20 to 30 times the Newports value.

"RARE" is just about the most overused word there is today, besides "AWESOME". :boring::mad:

Ramblers are rare.

Yugos are getting there.

Here is a good example of a rare car....1970 Chevelle Concours Estate Wagon with 6 cylinder...442 made, rare yes, desirable, no.

I think I put this in the wrong forum. If the moderator would like to move this thread to the "what's it worth" forum, be my guest.

400 lb women are rare, but not very desirable.

Look at the 69z...There are about one zillion out there, ie, not rare but considerably desirable.

value=demand + desirability...

I think rare by itself does not equal value, but if rare occurs in conjunction with a demand/desirability, then rarity can add to a vehicles value


Just my opinion

400 lb women are rare, but not very desirable.


They're not too rare around here, unfortunately. :p

Geez & I thought my car would be worth something:(:sad:

Gotta agree that rare doesn't always mean valuable.
There was a 70 Malibu 6-cyl convertible on eBay just recently. Owner had installed a small block thinking the car would sell better. As there were only 381 6-cyl Malibu convertibles in 1970, owner is now considering putting the 6-cyl back in it due to its rarity. Would putting the original engine and driveline back in make it more valuable? To a historian collector, maybe. To a hot rodder or cloner, probably not.
Okay-okay, I guess it's time to "put my cards on the table". My situation is similar to the one in Dale's quote. I own a "true" 65 SS conv. original 6 cyl. car (1133 made). I replaced the 230-6 with a 283-8 (period correct). Think I should put it back to a 6? It will never be sold (I'm leaving it to my daughter after I'm gone).
Thanx in advance, Frank

"RARE" is just about the most overused word there is today, besides "AWESOME". :boring::mad:

I got this awesomely rare car I'll sell ya cheap ;) :D

You might want to put the 6 cylinder back in considering where gas prices are going!

Okay-okay, I guess it's time to "put my cards on the table". My situation is similar to the one in Dale's quote. I own a "true" 65 SS conv. original 6 cyl. car (1133 made). I replaced the 230-6 with a 283-8 (period correct). Think I should put it back to a 6? It will never be sold (I'm leaving it to my daughter after I'm gone).
Thanx in advance, Frank

I would assume it would be worth more with the original 6, than with a period correct small block. It has been my experience the original 6 cars seem to draw considerable attention.


Rocky

Ditto, particularly when the VIN clearly indicates a 6-cyl engine in the early Malibu SS cars.

Yep, I think you might have a potential future winner up there.

Especially if barrel prices go to $300+