The world of transportation is changing rapidly. The cost of oil has affected not only our gasoline prices but food and everthing else we buy.
Think of the things made with oil products that are non auto related.
You realize us car guys are at the bottom of the list when legislators, environmentialists, etc, gather to decide the fate of the combustion engine. GM is closing four plants.
We are already considered air polluters and gas guzzlers.
During the oil embargo of the early 70's, you couldn't give a hemi or Boss 429 away. Then we've gone through the million dollar sales of the same cars. Do you think the old car market is in for a big down turn due to all this ?
What do you think is ahead for us car nuts ?
Thanks.

Most collectors that spend big money on the more desirable muscle cars don't drive them anyway, and they probably could afford the gas if they did. I think the downturn is for the average car guy with a mortgage and family to take care of and nice but not rare muscle car/cruiser.

There will ALWAYS be oil. Our industrialized global welfare is dependent on it. Nations around the world have built there entire economy on it. We gotta get around all those tree huggers to get it, but it's there. Big change is coming for sure. Do we need the change? Sure we do. At the end of all this it might cost us $15 a gallon but we'll still do what we do, just less often. I'm a young en' compared to some around here~ I am sure alot remember the gas lines of the 70's. A time when it wasn't a matter of "if you could afford it"~ it was a matter of whether you could get it at all!
Hell in parts of the world they have been paying $10+ for a gallon of gas for a LONG time. We have lived a privileged past, that's all. The times of cheap gas might be long gone but I'll still drive my chevy every once n awhile :yes:

A big part of the US oil supply is and will be coming from Canada. There is huge expansion in the Alberta oil sands and they really haven't got started on the north Saskatchewan oil sands. Then there is the Bakken oil field in the south of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and down into the US. Not to mention the arctic. Back in the '70s we were going to have the oil used up in a few short years, according to the scare mongers. Same stories being repeated. We definitely need to get into solar, wind and hydro electric sources more. Canada has no end of untapped rivers that could be producing hydro. High prices right now are more about huge amounts of investment money being poured into the oil futures market. When this run peters out, the money people will move on to something else. They sure left the housing market in a mess. Do a Google search for gas prices around the world. Ireland $2.00 a litre. Denmark $2.42 a litre. Multiply by 4.54 to get the cost in gallons. Our gas is still cheaper than most it would appear.

You are correct about the housing market Keith. Home prices have tripled here in the Saskatoon area in the last three years simply on speculation about the northern Saskatchewan oilsands and people moving here from Alberta for the "cheaper" housing which is now just as expensive as in Alberta. The problem is, I have not seen anyones wages triple, which makes it next to impossible for young people to get started in a home. Northern Alberta and Saskatchewan supposedly have the largest untapped oil resources in the world, but not nearly enough has been done to exploit hydro-electric and wind power. Where I live it is windy about 90% of the time but virtually nothing has been done to harness this free energy. I guess big oil has no interest in wind power so neither does our government. Or are they one and the same? Kind of hard to tax the wind but pretty easy to tax oil. Very short sighted and sad.

Wrong Forum...

Talking about prairie wind, friends of mine rode their motorcycles across the prairies. Days upon days of constant wind. If they were going north or south, they swore that they had to lean 45 degrees into the wind to stay upright. Now, that's a resource that is really going to waste and needs to be tapped into. Going from Ontario to Alberta to work, you better hope to be put up by the company you are working for. To buy a house or rent, will suck up any money that you make.

we have the oil right here in this country, and we need more refineries

take a look at this

http://www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/?Guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659

check out airportsbusiness.com. they are even making the jet fuel from soy beans

The world of transportation is changing rapidly. The cost of oil has affected not only our gasoline prices but food and everthing else we buy.
Think of the things made with oil products that are non auto related.
You realize us car guys are at the bottom of the list when legislators, environmentialists, etc, gather to decide the fate of the combustion engine. GM is closing four plants.
We are already considered air polluters and gas guzzlers.
During the oil embargo of the early 70's, you couldn't give a hemi or Boss 429 away. Then we've gone through the million dollar sales of the same cars. Do you think the old car market is in for a big down turn due to all this ?
What do you think is ahead for us car nuts ?
Thanks.

There is no shortage of crude oil in North America.

There is only a shortage of political will to drill the wells, build refineries and pipelines to bring it to market.

The problem is, if we start today it will take ten or more years to get any significant amount to market.

As long as voters keep electing politicians who are not willing to fight the fight to make the USA independent of foreign energy you will keep paying higher prices for everything and getting more restrictions in your life.

Verle

Big, make that huge difference between the 70's, Muscle Cars and today. Back then, the cars were still/often used for daily transportation. Leaded fuel disappeared at the same time. I know virtually no-one that had a muscle car in the garage as a weekend toy. Today. these 40 year old cars are toys. Don't know about you, I drive mine maybe 1000-1500 miles per year. Using 10 mpg as a round number, I would consume 150 gallons fuel per year. Even at 5.00/gal, that's only $750.00 in a year for fuel. Would I wnat to drive it 15,000 miles per year??, No. But, my daily is an 05 Avalanche that only gets 14-15 mpg. Just the way it is. Fuel costs are eating up a bigger chunk of the budget.

Hey I recieved this via email from a friend earlier today and it's got some good info in it.


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I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here in California we are also paying higher, up to $4.89 per gallon ($5.50 for diesel). But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon.


Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity
of 16,800,000 gallons.

Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold . Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role.

A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling u p do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space.


Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely
the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.

Hope this will h help you get the most value for your money.

DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!

WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW.

READ ON
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It might even be good for us! The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the favor. An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia . Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.


Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil. These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell........................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco......... 144,332,000 barrels
Exxon/Mobil............... 130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway... 117,740,000 barrels
Amoco............................62,231,000 barrels


CITGO gas is from South America, from a Dictator who hates Americans.

If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (oil is now $90 - $100 a barrel)

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco..................0 barrels
Conoco..................0 barrels
Sinclair.................0 barrels
B P/Phillips............0 barrels
Hess.......................0 barrels
ARC....................0 barrels

If you go to Sunoco. com, you will get a list of the station locations near you.

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do. Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!!

I'm sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it to at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 = 3,000) .. and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers!!!!!!! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it .....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people.


Edit: I don't advocate the FW, FW crap but the meat of the subject is good info. :D

in a few years, my gas might be coming from South Dakota- where it will be made from oil squished out of Canadian tar sands..
right now, i can get E85 that has ethanol that was probably made at a new plant in Fergus Falls, MN, from corn that was grown literally down the road from me.

off shore drilling and coal conversion plants!!!

Scottrock;
check snopes on this
Saudi Gas:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp
pumping gas in the AM:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp

Scottrock;
check snopes on this
Saudi Gas:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp
pumping gas in the AM:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp


Gee thanks, i guess one always needs to check sources of info. Oh well.:p