See attached, about the 8th post from the top...

http://drr.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=3476075&f=80760912&m=758106917

BSE says he is coming to Huntsville, AL in June to show all the footbrakers who is king. Hmmm, Huntsville is only about 30 minutes from my in-law's house on Smith Lake. Looks like I finally get my chance to see the man in person smile.gif

Alot of trash talking going on there, that's for certain.

Can someone explain what the letters "BSE" mean? I think I missed something, as I am relatively new to the forum.

Originally posted by novadude:
Can someone explain what the letters "BSE" mean? I think I missed something, as I am relatively new to the forum. Bigley Special Engines I believe?

This guy named Ed Bigley is really opinionated and has the "best engine combo ever". So since it's the best everyone else should do the same. It is a great combo, but he has had some skuffles with people on the message board.

I was sure it was "Bovine Spongiform Ensphilits" a.k.a Mad Cow disease. That's what was posted here the last time this topic came up! Fat Tony.

Originally posted by chevywidow:
I was sure it was "Bovine Spongiform Ensphilits" a.k.a Mad Cow disease. That's what was posted here the last time this topic came up! Fat Tony. :D Ha!

Look closely at the username that posted those comments. By all means go to Huntsville, though. I plan to drag my heap over there as well.

If you put all the JOISEY bravado aside :D ...
I believe that when the driver is on his game... thats a tough combination to beat.

Originally posted by 19Nova72:
This guy named Ed Bigley is really opinionated and has the "best engine combo ever".What is the combo anyway? Was it documented somewhere?

Originally posted by JeffK:

What is the combo anyway? Was it documented somewhere?
BSE Big Block

454+ .060"= 467ci
-Wiesco closed chamber style pistons with Speed Pro Plasma Moly file fit rings
-11:1 CR
-Clevite bearings - mains, rod and cam
-Fel-Pro gaskets
-Crower Sportsman rods and Crower 4340 crank with ARP main studs and GM windage tray
-Moroso 6-Quart kicked-out pan # 20401 with pickup # 24440
-Melling oil pump high pressure
-RollMaster Billet double roller timing chain
-#215 closed chamber oval port heads '67 - '68 with 2.25 / 1.88 Undercut valves,
valves Unshrouded, gasket matched and bowls blended (valve job angles 30/45/70)
*note* head work done by Richard Biebel Racing
-Performer RPM Air gap Rectangular port manifold.
-Pro-Systems Pro Series 4150 "1000HP" downleg boosters
-1/2" 4 hole spacer over a 1/2" open spacer.
-GM carb heat shield
-LSM billet roller cam: 254/260 dur. .660"/.660" lift 107LSA 7/4 2/3 firing order
swap comp #933 springs (Coated). Crower severe duty lifters
-Rocker Arms- Crane Gold Race 1.7 rockers
-3/8" one piece pushrods
-MSD ignition- 6AL box, blaster II coil and Pro Billet distributor
-Headers - Dynomax 1 3/4" PRIMARY TUBE with 3" collectors. Remove collector weld on
Flowmaster Scavenger Collectors # C-134214300
-3-1/2" head pipes with 3-1/2" X-crossover and 3" dumps after mufflers. All bends to
be mandrel. DynoMax Oval UltraFlo mufflers
-Mallory Comp 140 fuel pump, regulator and filter plumbed to stock 3/8" fuel line.
-Mobil 1 0W-20 oil, Ford type F trans fluid and Mobil 1 gear lube
-indexed spark plugs
With a turbo 400 prepped by STR, ATI 8" Treemaster converter, CSI Super Shield,
Stock Horse Shoe Shifter 4.10 gears and either slicks or DOT slicks this combo will
run 10.40's depending on weather, tuning and driver Best: 10.37 @ 127.2 mph with a
1.35 60ft off the footbrake, through the exhaust at 3860 lbs.
-Delco 94 amp alternator with internal regulator #10495426 and a Delco battery
Group24 #78DT/84
-Denny's HD aluminum driveshaft 1350 U-joints and yokes
-ATI balancer
--15" x 10" Weld Pro Star wheel 5-1/2" backspacing. 30" x10" w/12.5" section width,
CO7 Hoosier Radial slick.
-Koni Street adjustable shocks set full stiff rear/full soft front
-Alf Weibe stock eliminator rear suspension w/Control arm braces that triangulate
the control arm mounts
-Front springs are Moog 5392 combined with Koni Gas shocks set at full soft and poly
graphite bushings set without any preload. The front sway bar has been removed
-front springs Moog 5392
17.95".......................Free height
11.50".......................loaded
266 lbs./in..................rate
.61...........................wire diameter
2026.........................total load

Front/rear weight bias = 59/41

Originally posted by kjett:
Look closely at the username that posted those comments. By all means go to Huntsville, though. I plan to drag my heap over there as well. Good eye Ken, I missed that...an Ed imposter. I can't find anything on Huntsville's website, what's the dates for this thing?

Mad cow, eh? That's a good one!

You copied everything from his invoice but forgot to put the labour and the price. I guess there are some secrets.]

And most importantly, what his DCR is. How do you expect me to make sense of it w/o a DCR?? graemlins/clonk.gif

Ed asked me to pull my saved copies of his earlier and later combinations the last time I posted them..

Talk about it getting deep tho.. But all in all, bet it would be a good day at the track if it happens..

pdq67

And most importantly, what his DCR is. How do you expect me to make sense of it w/o a DCR??:D

66 283......you are a hoot! :D

I think 66 283 just lurks here for all the ED posts :D

And...do not forget the baddest Chevelle in the land (arguably )

I'm sure there are some folks who would argue.........

I'll even bet there have been a few Stock Eliminator cars with just 427's or even 396's that have gone as fast or faster.

There is more to this than just HP and engine combinations......

Ron

Its still impressive for what it is and he believes in the KISS method. Ya can't argue with low 10's in a 3900lb car and 468 n/a cubic inches.

You're right about one thing - you sure can't argue with him!

66 283...LOL

Originally posted by kjett:
Look closely at the username that posted those comments. By all means go to Huntsville, though. I plan to drag my heap over there as well. Come on over anytime guys. I have plenty of room if you want to make a night of it. Even room for Ken's Trailer. (and no I don't live in a trailer park). ;)

It's an 1/8th track, but brings in some very high purses on occasion. The pit area is little crowded at times, but if you get there early nobody tries to nose you out.

Gentlemen....trust me on this...if there is ANY possible way for me to make Huntsville, it WILL happen. Especially when someone tells me to f$(# myself over the internet. He talks a good game, but when it comes down to action then has seemingly been a different story IMO. This whole deal started as fun, then got ugly in a hurry. June is a tough month for me to be taking the time to go south, for two reasons....first, my family comes first to me, and that happens to be our daughter's 6th birthday. Secondly, I am the service administrator of an RV dealership, and that is one of our busiest times of the season. So, does my family and daytime job mean more to me than Ed? Yes, they do. Thus the reason why I first suggested Ed and I meet up halfway between us in Columbus, Ohio, at National Trails Raceway. As I figured, he would not do this since he knew full well I could show there with ease compared to Huntsville. Anyhow, it has nearly ruined the DRR tech board with useless bashing and anonymous posting as has gone on there. At least I can honestly say everyone knows who I am when they read my posts, and many also know what kind of person I am to deal with when it comes to business things. Stay tuned on how this deal pans out, and if it does Ed will find out just how rusty I am after not being down the track since 98.....especially in a car that repeats nearly to the thousandth. He will also likely have quite a bit slower dial-in on his window than he is accustomed to when he finds out what racing in realistic air is like for 99 percent of the rest of the world. Like I told him, I feel I have done well enough in my racing endeavors that trying to drag myself across the country to satisfy his mouth means nothing to me. I have nothing to prove to Ed, or anyone. But, if the timing works, we will see what happens when we roll in and stage with no time shots to go on... graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Originally posted by MyBoTy:
You're right about one thing - you sure can't argue with him! Funniest post in a while smile.gif

Steve
I hope you can make it to Huntsville, but this has the feel of the converter dibalcle. I usually find some humour in 1320racers posts....but now it seems to be to mean spirited to me. I have stopped posting on DRR, even though there are some posts I would like to contribute to.
Good luck Steve.

Good point bigjim -- there's been a lot of that mean-spirited bs going on lately at DRR and here . . .

I respect 1/4 mile performance achievement, even if the achiever does not respect others.

There is one interesting aspect to all of this that goes larely unsaid: Ed has, by his own accounts, spent somewhere north of $40,000 (maybe ~ $45,000) to make this "simple" combo perform the way it does. done by attention to details the same way that a lot of racers get ~ 10 flat ~ 130 mph out of stock class cars.

So you get to decide whether it is better to achieve results the BSE way, or one of the more common weekend warrior ways. Both are fun smile.gif

Thomas

40K is what he's spent on the car since he's owned it(23 years), not what he's spent to make it perform the way it performs now,that price includes a complete restoration and improving combos along the way. Thomas, have you ever talked to Ed ? and what suspension do you have under the '65 EC?

Originally posted by Bomber '67:
I respect 1/4 mile performance achievement, even if the achiever does not respect others.

There is one interesting aspect to all of this that goes larely unsaid: Ed has, by his own accounts, spent somewhere north of $40,000 (maybe ~ $45,000) to make this "simple" combo perform the way it does. done by attention to details the same way that a lot of racers get ~ 10 flat ~ 130 mph out of stock class cars.

So you get to decide whether it is better to achieve results the BSE way, or one of the more common weekend warrior ways. Both are fun smile.gif

Thomas Actually the infamous "$40,000" everyone keeps quoting, is the total amount of money spent; Restoring, building, modifying, trying MANY combos, ect over the 23 years owned the car. Think about how many alternators, batteries, ect. The "$40,000" includes maintainence items.

Which btw $40,000+ is just about the Buy into stock eliminator!

The current engine combo in ed's car costs about $7000 dollars, considering its moving a 3860lbs car into the mid 10's a best of 10.37 @ 127mph thats pretty impressive.
Compaire that to what else $7000 can buy, how about a ZZ502 which would barely go mid 12's for the same amount of money.

Which BTW to put a B/SA chevelle more then 1.00 under the index expect to spend north of $15,000 on the engine ALONE, thats more then double!

I'd bet that Ed has WON as much or more money with that chevelle over the years he has been racing it as he has into the car.

Robert, for some reason I seemed to have missed Ed's mailing list.

I cannot fault Ed for having a beautiful car. My point is that he did go through a lot of parts to figure out the best "simple" combo for his car. The same thing happens with the fast stock class cars. The amazing e.t.'s and mph's they get are the result of going through a pile of parts to find the best. For example: not all of us want to buy up a pile of factory iron cylinder heads to find that special pair. Kinda like any mathmatical problem there are several paths to a successful solution - some require a lot of thought, others are less elegant.

I have basically nothing for rear suspension on my '65. Last time I ran it consisted of: 1)lowered 5" (it is a lowrider that is lowered in the front as well), 2) KYB gas shocks ('68- '72 length), 3) OPG generic 1" sway bar, 4) Hotchkiss lower arms, 5) Morrison-Gazon adjustable uppers with relocation bracket - yes, they have dented the Elky's bed floor! 6) MT ET Streets 28 x 11.50. It 60'd in the upper 1.5x, best of 1.57, not bad for what it is and only ~ 3,200 stall. I think it can 60' much better with the same converter. The next time it hits the track the following changes will have been made: 1) Dick Miller lower adjustable control arms to help me square the axle location (currently is slightly crooked), 2) HR Parts N Stuff anti roll device to separate body twist from lower control arm movement. I'm hopeful that I can change the launch from "twisted" to a more level lift. I'll be racing again on Dec 12th.

Brian, in the past when I pointed out that no other "BSE" combo had achieved Ed's results you have always commented that no one has done it right or the same. If it is so simple why is it so elusive? Details, details. Ed's car is beautiful and quick/fast - it is also not a legal B/SA racer. Class rules will make any racer spend more money in certain areas.

Thomas

The BSE principal works, afterall, i put the ideas to use on my BSE Stroker 385" small block, and i'm 60fting 1.55's.

Thomas,the only reason I can think why noone else is e.t'ing like Ed is because noone else around here is using the Alf Weibe(bolt in) suspension as he is. To e.t., you have to 60ft !!!! These big old heavy cars need the torque the BSE produces,then you have to be able to put it to the ground, "you cannot make up what you lose at the starting line".

All this over an self-aggrandizing airbag??? :rolleyes: WhoTF cares. Thanks to all the racers here ( running 10.50 OB) who share some of their tricks and treat people like human beings.

Older you get , the less time for iceholes you have. I have none! smile.gif

Happy Holidays all! ( even Ed).

I care Gene,and there are others. Thats the title of the post Gene, Have you ever talked to Ed? Has he ever helped you out? probably not, because you are not worried about performance,but there are several here that are after max performance, and he has helped them out,posted more specs,combos,needs and don't needs than anyone on this board,cept maybe Tom,Todd,KJ or Chris, and he's more than pleasurable to talk to. Then you go to bad mouthing and you know he can't post here, kinda like a little kid hiding under his mommys skirt. Why even post Gene?

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... ;)

"you know he can't post here"

and why is that????

Ahh, come on guy's, no need ta dredge up past crap!!

"'Tis the season to be joy" sorta deal...

pdq67

Why TC administrators don't give Ed a chance to post againg ?,It is Christmas time graemlins/beers.gif ,Let's give him a chance!
That way he can defense him self.

It would be a mistake for anybody to think that I don't respect Ed's achievements - I just wish he was not such an angry man with a nearly two ton chip on his shoulder. I had really enjoyed reading all his testing reports, interesting material.

Brian, please, I know you are his friend and all but your Camaro is not a Chevelle, you do not have an Alf Wiebe stock eliminator suspension, your 385 sb is not a 467 bb, a 1.55 60' is not a 1.36 60'. Yeah, I know that you have followed the BSE "principle". You deserve accolodes for your car's fine performance.

If Ed shows up in Huntsville I look forward to hearing about his complete uncorrected results - and those of the Team Chevelle members who race there as well.

rcatala, problem is that Ed was given chances for becoming a good member again. Unfortunately he had a hard time controlling his keyboard, it was a shame really.

Thomas

Originally posted by Rapid Robert:
Thomas,the only reason I can think why noone else is e.t'ing like Ed is because noone else around here is using the Alf Weibe(bolt in) suspension as he is. To e.t., you have to 60ft !!!! These big old heavy cars need the torque the BSE produces,then you have to be able to put it to the ground, "you cannot make up what you lose at the starting line". I agree that suspension is a big part of his car's great performance. That motor is a very good showing that you don't have to have big buck aftermarket heads, nor do you have to follow the bigger is better philosophy many do, to make big power or ET well. It isn't a street car that can be driven on the street (nor does ed want it to be either so who cares) and I also think he has a bit more money in the combo then one would initially think, but all bs a side: Love em... hate em... for a full weight chevelle running a pump gas 468 NA... that sucker flys.

On Ed himself... I emailed Ed way back when I got my car before his combo was really spewed all over the net because I was curious about his combo. He was nice enough to tell this newbie at the time what his combo was, some suspension info, and give me alf's contact info. I don't know what all happenes behind the computer screens or what happenes when I am not watching so the beef between Ed and others I just kinda ignore as it is none of my business.

I wish we had found the tires we have on my sons car now when we had the chevy headed 481" motor in the car as that one only lacked bite to be real fast. Went 1.40 - 60' with the wrong tires and ran 10.49 @ 128 MPH with a flat tappet cam. Of course we only weighed 3550 pounds. It ran 9.98 @ 133.7 with the Dart heads at about 3500 pounds.

Morning all,

I don't normally get involved in these topics, but I just wanted to post my personal experience with Ed.

Any question I've ever asked him and I've asked alot because of the car I'm building, was returned with factual info and without any of the controversy that alot of people talk about here and on other boards.

I also met him and Brian at Atco one Sunday by chance. They were both the nicest guys you would want to meet. His car looks and does exactly what he says and Ed answered any question I had and even offered to help me run my car at the strip the first few times to start getting things dialed in.

I'm sure Ed doesn't agree with all the modiications I have done but that's ok as everyone has different ideas. The point that I want to communicate is that in all the times we have conversed there has never been any drama. Maybe it's the idea that I'm serious about my performance, or the fact that I take the time to be cordial and have all my facts straight before taking his time up. Whatever it is, it does work and work well and I hope to maintain the relationship for a long time to come.

Wether you get along with Ed or not, you should take the time to learn from some of the info that he posts. Very few people that run that fast are as free with the information as he is.

Just my .02...............

Tony Z,well said.I've met Ed once myself and feel the same way.
And for that matter,Tom (mc71454) is another nice guy that is more than willing to share his time and experience,both on the phone and in person.
I'm no bracker racer,just a guy wanting to have fun and at least know what my car can run at the track,and these guys have been more than helpful and patient over the years with my questions and giving me advice.

Originally posted by Rumblin70SS:
Morning all,

I don't normally get involved in these topics, but I just wanted to post my personal experience with Ed.

Any question I've ever asked him and I've asked alot because of the car I'm building, was returned with factual info and without any of the controversy that alot of people talk about here and on other boards.

I also met him and Brian at Atco one Sunday by chance. They were both the nicest guys you would want to meet. His car looks and does exactly what he says and Ed answered any question I had and even offered to help me run my car at the strip the first few times to start getting things dialed in.

I'm sure Ed doesn't agree with all the modiications I have done but that's ok as everyone has different ideas. The point that I want to communicate is that in all the times we have conversed there has never been any drama. Maybe it's the idea that I'm serious about my performance, or the fact that I take the time to be cordial and have all my facts straight before taking his time up. Whatever it is, it does work and work well and I hope to maintain the relationship for a long time to come.

Wether you get along with Ed or not, you should take the time to learn from some of the info that he posts. Very few people that run that fast are as free with the information as he is.

Just my .02............... Well said and I agree 100%!

I agree with Chris, I've talked several times with Ed,Brian,Tom a time or two,Jake also...they are all very knowledgeable and willing to share the info they have learned and accumulated. Todd and KJ also are willing to share information as well. I'm not as well informed on the technical data as these guys are,but I sure love drag racing and winning is all the better.

I`ve defended Racer on a number of occasions myself.
I`m pretty sure the above statements are probably true and he more than likely is an ok guy, person to person, one on one.

On the flip side though, he can be very condescending.
Also has an extreme dislike for this board in particular btw.

You`ll notice he rarely asks for help with questions or opinions from fellow board members, he takes those elsewhere, thereby not appearing "clueless" like all the others are :rolleyes: .
He does his research no doubt, but chances are, he`s not going to ask you for your opinion.

If your car is quicker than he thinks it should be then be prepared to be accused of lying or withholding some secret information from any posted combo list IE... running more compression or more converter or more cam than what you claim etc...

You won`t get a graemlins/thumbsup.gif on your accomplishments from him unless you`ve done it his way.

I do enjoy reading posts that he participates in though, it`s like a big mosh pit on occasion, thoroughly entertaining smile.gif

Other than that, Ed you`re ok ..if you`re vacationing this winter in South Florida stop by graemlins/thumbsup.gif

Is this the same Ed who used to own the "Levittown Rat" I knew him years ago when I still lived in PA and he did a TH400 for my chevelle. I never knew him to be a jerk. Just my opinion.

FWIW, I've noticed that some people treat everyone pretty much the same on the internet, phone, and in person. I try to be consistent personally and try to avoid saying anything on the net that I would not say face to face . . .

But there are others that get caught up in the anonimity of the internet and really mouth off. If you call them on the phone and they are decent. If you show up at the track they're downright nice. Its like the closer you get the nicer they become -- maybe because they're afraid to get their arse kicked.

It sometimes amazes me how a group of guys that have so much in common get be so bitterly divided over such petty things . . . oval/rect, iron/alum, single plane/dual plane, yada-yada-yada

And I am NOT speaking about Ed here -- just people in general, I think most of us are guilty of this from time to time.

Happy holidays !!

Red,

Ed rarely asks for help on a message board because he goes directly to the source, he's been racing for a long time, he has alot of sources that he can ask for information.

I've been accused of the same thing (not asking for help) on occasions, and my response is the same, i've developed a network of people that i ask for help.

It has nothing to do with how it "appears" but he and I would much rather go directly to the source and get the best and latest information.

I don't like to get in the "ed wars" but, he sent an extremely nasty message to me, calling me all sorts of names, for not switching to an oval port, closed chamber head when I had my engine rebuilt 2 years ago, (recall when I posted about my heads a week or so ago) saying something to the tune of "myself and all the dumb kids" on the board should learn from what he says. He told me to post it, so "others would learn," but I didn't, and not because of the non-family content.
If he had approached me more like a person, and said, look, I like you, learn from my own mistakes, maybe you should think about the type of head I use?

Ed, brilliant racer or not, has no respect in my book because he does not treat other humans like humans. I know ed has a formula that works. And maybe if he didn't write in italic, purple letters in the wrong font size, calling me every name in the book, I'd respect what he says.
I know its corny, but.. I've been told, there are 3 types of people in the world. Those that learn from others mistakes (1), those that learn from others (2), and those that never learn (3). #1's are usually liars #2 most common-sense people (myself) and 3) people on jerry springer...
Anyway, I was a #2, and Ed, obviously a fake #1, wouldn't give me the time of day for not "listening" to him. There is more than one way to skin the cat..

Matt

..his old hyraulic flat tappet combo using the 288/296 UD,#215 heads,and 3.73 gears running a best of 11.49 @ 115 says alot..that kind of performance from a mild hydraulic combo with oval port heads is certainly impressive,followed by Bob's (Rapid Roberts ride) 11.7X's with open ovals and a small flat tappet solid.
And Ed's 10.36 (or 10.38?) best with his current combo is quite the accomplishment as well.
And to keep things honest,there are quite few other guys that run some impressive ET's as well..and guess what? Some are oval,some square,some are 468's,(or smaller)509's, 540's,etc.
They're all impressive,and everyone has their own gig,getting it done with what serves them well.

If you like Ed or not, you gotta admit, that red 68 is a BITCHIN car.

Just once, I'd like to do a wheelie. :D